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Sunday, 10 October 2010 15:52 by Ad astra
We at The Political Sword understand how affronted you must have felt when News Limited’s hit-man James Massola ‘outed’ you as Greg Jericho, a public servant working in the film area of the Office for the Arts of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet in Canberra. He knew that for over a year, and we too knew you were in the public service, that you worked at that job during the day and created your blog pieces after you had cleaned up after your evening meal. We admired your resilience and your capacity to write such incisive pieces late in the evening after a day’s work. Never did we perceive that you had written anything you had derived from your professional work.

So what was the big deal with Massola, or perhaps with News Limited that pulls his strings?

There has been a mountain of newspaper articles and blog pieces written about this unsavoury episode. Most in the Fifth Estate have been supportive of you personally and of your position. The consensus seems to be that you upset News Limited with your piece on Grog's Gamut of July 30: Election 2010: Day 14 (or waste and mismanagement – the media) that exposed the shallowness and incompetence of so much of the MSM’s coverage of the election campaign, and the preoccupation it had with trivia. The ABC’s Mark Scott was impressed sufficiently with what you said to discuss it with his senior executives and mention that fact at the Media 140 conference, but News Limited was sufficiently unimpressed with you that it set out to silence you by ‘outing’ you. The outcry from your many, many supporters must have given you solace, but as far as I can ascertain your last piece was on September 27: Spartacus no more in which you explained how the situation in which you found yourself had come about. Why no more?

Of course not all media coverage has been supportive of your position, or indeed of the position of bloggers in general, as we saw in the Townsville Bulletin, appropriately tagged ‘The Bully’, in its anonymous editorial Cowardly world of bloggers which labelled us “…increasingly puerile bloggers, self-appointed guardians of righteousness and all that is wrong about society and, in particular, newspapers.” And later in the article it asserted: “Bloggers, on the other hand, represent nothing. They whinge, carp and whine about our role in society, and yet they contribute nothing to it, other than satisfying their juvenile egos.” So there…

This short piece is not intended to go over the ground already trampled by many others. Our sentiments and assurance of support were posted in comments on The Political Sword at the time this story broke.

This piece is intended to reinforce our strong backing for what you have done in the blogosphere, to commend you for your forthrightness and the incisiveness of your comments, and to say that we are seriously missing your contributions to the political discourse. You have become one of the most respected bloggers in this country, followed assiduously by many who looked forward each day to your perceptive analysis of the day’s or week’s events. We are missing your penetrating, razor sharp appraisals of political events and political personalities, and hoping you will soon return.

We do not know if you are under any constraints that prevent you from continuing your blog, or are apprehensive that doing so might evoke another uncalled-for attack from News Limited. We earnestly hope that you have not been subject to intimidation. We do not presume to know your circumstances or feelings but I’m sure you will understand our motivation for saying:

Grog, do come back – we need you.

Comments (153) -

October 10. 2010 05:43 PM

NormanK

Hear, hear! Question Time is just not the same.

NormanK

October 10. 2010 06:04 PM

NormanK

Ad astra
Your link to an item on TPS discussing Turnbull set me off down Memory Lane and I'm currently at Milne Alley where it seems poor old Glenn is copping a basting from all and sundry over his hate (investigative journalism) campaign against Kevin Rudd. Fascinating reading every step of the way, blogs are the archaeological dig sites of the future.
More importantly, TPS turned TWO on September 13 and we didn't hold a party. Coincidentally, this was the day Big Pond decided that Lyn wasn't allowed out of the house and should play by herself because she had apparently been saying naughty things about Telstra.
Anyway, a belated Happy Second Birthday to The Political Sword.
May I reiterate some of the comments made at the first birthday party and congratulate you on running a vibrant blog which seems to be growing at a steady pace and has maintained its air of good humour and lack of snarky comments. This seems to be the result of your firm hand keeping the tone right and generous nature which allows young 'uns like myself to run amok occasionally. I hope we haven't disturbed regular readers - we do try to remember to go outside if we are going to play with a ball. Thank-you for your generosity.
This means you are now a toddler so I hope Mrs AA is keeping a close eye on you while you are out walking and has put all of the nasty stuff up on a high shelf or locked away in a cupboard.

I didn't have time to wrap your present. Thanks to George Pike for the original link.

50 Dumb Liberal Quotes
(Bearing in mind that a "liberal" North American is a "Stalinist Left-wing Commie Progressive Commie Marxist Commie Bastard" Australian.)

Democratic Convention producer Don Mischer, overheard on CNN having an apoplectic seizure when the balloons failed to drop from the ceiling of the Fleet Center in Boston: "Go, balloons. I don't see anything happening. Go, balloons. Go, balloons. Go, balloons. Stand by, confetti. Keep coming, balloons. More balloons. Bring them. Balloons, balloons, balloons! More balloons. Tons of them. Bring them down. Let them all come. No confetti. No confetti yet. No confetti. All right. Go, balloons. Go, balloons. We're getting more balloons. All balloons. All balloons should be going. Come on, guys! Let's move it. Jesus! We need more balloons. I want all balloons to go. Go, confetti. Go, confetti. Go, confetti. I want more balloons. What's happening to the balloons? We need more balloons. We need all of them coming down. Go, balloons. Balloons. What's happening balloons? There's not enough coming down. All balloons! Why the hell is nothing falling? What the f--- are you guys doing up there? We want more balloons coming down. More balloons. More balloons."

thestir.cafemom.com/.../50_dumb_liberal_quotes

In accordance with the Sir Ian Crisp Fairness Act of 2010 -

Top 50 Dumbest Conservative Quotes
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" ~ George W. Bush

thestir.cafemom.com/.../top_50_dumbest_conservative_quotes

Go balloons!! Balloons, balloons, balloons! More balloons!!

NormanK

October 10. 2010 07:25 PM

Patricia WA

Well, there is a difference between those liberal and conservative dumb quotes.  The liberals could generally string a grammatically correct sentence together of more than a few words.  They are at least literate.

Was George Bush really that dumb?

Patricia WA

October 10. 2010 07:27 PM

CALLIGULA

Dear Ad Astra,
Here is one of those situations that give good cause to establishing a modern, comprehensive and legally binding Charter of Rights in this benighted country.
I’m sorry to say that I’d not come across Grog’s pages but have scanned his “Spartacus No More” prior to my tapping the keys.

Since there is no point my speculating about how and why Greg has had his personal situation and future career compromised it might be best to relate some of my experience since I began contributing to blogs/fora.

I’m sure that most people who take the time to thrash away at a keyboard have an axe (or at least some small hatchet) to grind.
I’ve lately noticed concern expressed on these pages about spam and irrelevant comment.

In the past I have been stupid enough to sign up with one or two internet confections where I’ve needed to ‘log in’ to have my say.
The outcome for me being mug enough to do that has been less than salubrious.
Permit me to mention but one instance.

Up there on the wall behind my steam powered calculator is a printout of an e-mail I received from a certain high profile ‘Doctor’ who seems to me to be a doctor of little more than blogging.
My first reaction when I received this ‘cold’ contact out of the blue was to admire his gall.

I’d noticed since I’d written a few posts myself that the comments were coming on hot and strong.
I don’t in the least mind admitting that I can occasionally be as stupid and specious as the next person but the last thing that I’d ever do is go behind the door to queer someone else’s pitch.

Internet security –
So, dear readers, up there on the wall is the printout of this august person’s message to me and beside it is the printout record of the remedial treatment my poor computer needed to get it back into service after I forwarded his message and my resultant comment along to that blog.

My conclusions –
I’m a bit of a thicky and very much a peasant at heart.
Nonetheless my experience is convincing me beyond any doubt that cyberspace is a dangerous place increasingly inhabited by manipulative and amoral personalities.

I’d even go so far as to say what happened to Greg might have been perpetrated for a simple reason - Jimmy boy did it to him just because he could.

Nah !  You’re right. There’s more to it than that !

CALLIGULA

October 10. 2010 07:36 PM

lyn

Hi Ad

Ad thankyou so much for your genuine, sincere, heartfelt piece,you
have written in consideration for Grog's dilemma over his outing.

You know, having read, and collected, I would say nearly every piece
that written on the blogosphere,about the whole Grog episode, there
is something mean and tricky going on by The Australian.  I mean
who cares what grog's real name was honestly it could have been
Mickey Mouse and I would have still enjoyed his writing.

My opinion is that Grog is a very sensitive, honest, sincere person.
I think his feelings would have been wounded bad.
I have read some pieces where Grog would give Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard
and the Labor Party a serve, Grog was extremely fair, in his assessment
and wording in his pieces.

There are heaps of other blogs out there that are incredibly outspoken,
against the media, in fact dangerously outspoken, what,is the Australian
going to go after them all.

I hope Grog continues his blog, because his pieces on Parliament Question
time were second to none. A lot of readers are missing Grog as we are on
"The Political Sword.

lyn

October 10. 2010 07:43 PM

Sir Ian Crisp

Relax AA. As I said to HS, 'the sun will come up tomorrow.' At first thought the world seemed a little more barren without Grog. Those thoughts quickly left me when I was about to depart from Iceland's  Reykjavíkurflugvöllur. I noticed plenty of net savvy natives at an internet cafe reading TPS. I knew all was well once more.

Sir Ian Crisp

October 10. 2010 07:44 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

  There's not a lot more that could be said, really, other than we wait with baited breath for the return of someone who has become an essential cog in the blogging machine in Australia, and an antidote to the traditional, and dare I categorise it as, 'Conservative' media.
  A voice should not be silenced in a functioning democracy. And that is the point, I think, with the outing of Greg/Grog, that is, it seems that a prime motivation for his 'outing' was to silence his voice because his voice was becoming more and more powerful within the Australian media landscape as time went on.
   Grog had the ability to put into words the thoughts that we all had but which most of us struggle to encapsulate perspicaciously and lucidly when we blog. He was so good that from his little computer in Canberra he caught the attention of one of the most powerful individuals in the media in Australia, the ABC's Mark Scott, and he made him sit up and take notice to the point where the direction of the media behemoth that is the ABC was programmed to take on a change in direction when it came to reporting on election campaigns. This most obviously got up the noses of the assorted editors and journalists at News Corporation, as they probably believed they were on a good wicket when it came to influencing the direction the ABC took themselves. How dare an upstart Public Servant, of all people, I mean, aren't they supposed to be meek and mild and subservient for goodness sakes? How dare he do a better job than the paid hacks at Ltd News! This cannot be allowed to continue, they would have fulminated.
   In this way I am reminded of nothing so much as the scene from my favourite book, Alice In Wonderland, where the Queen of Hearts desperately tries to catch the squealing pig, to no avail.
   Grog is the greasy pig that will never be caught! More power to his squealing! May he come back soon and speak truth to power like never before.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 10. 2010 07:51 PM

CALLIGULA

There I go again –
Forgot to mention the salient point above.

Don’t know if it happening to others out there but if, like me, you are innocent enough to actually argue a point with a certain sort of person – they tend to delete your comment.
If you go back and demand a hearing – you are ‘under moderation’.
Then if you push your luck past that point – then, next day, your computer most likely won’t start.
Been there – had that.

Would like to hear from others in the same boat -

CALLIGULA

October 10. 2010 07:52 PM

CALLIGULA

There I go again –
Forgot to mention the salient point above.

Don’t know if it happening to others out there but if, like me, you are innocent enough to actually argue a point with a certain sort of person – they tend to delete your comment.
If you go back and demand a hearing – you are ‘under moderation’.
Then if you push your luck past that point – then, next day, your computer most likely won’t start.
Been there – had that.

Would like to hear from others in the same boat -

CALLIGULA

October 10. 2010 08:37 PM

Bilko

AA & HS and other well wishers, I log on to Grog every day at least once hoping he will soon return as another person commented he was hurting the MSM with his insightful comments.  Only vaguely is there evidence of a change of emphasis, except for the murdoch rags, makes us all forensic searchers for an unbiased spot of reporting. The $A has never looked so good for decades all signs of an economy going well but you would be hard pressed to find a positive comment except perhaps on page 9. AA your final line says it all "Grog, do come back – we need you."

Bilko

October 10. 2010 08:39 PM

CALLIGULA

Blew it – didn’t I.
Forgive the accidental x2 above. Be assured that it was supposed to be a x1.

“ it seems that a prime motivation for his 'outing' was to silence his voice because his voice was becoming more and more powerful within the Australian media landscape as time went on.
Grog had the ability to put into words the thoughts that we all had but which most of us struggle to encapsulate perspicaciously and lucidly when we blog. He was so good that from his little computer in Canberra he caught the attention of one of the most powerful individuals in the media in Australia, the ABC's Mark Scott, and he made him sit up and take notice to the point where the direction of the media behemoth that is the ABC was programmed to take on a change in direction when it came to reporting on election campaigns. This most obviously got up the noses of the assorted editors and journalists at News Corporation, as they probably believed they were on a good wicket when it came to influencing the direction the ABC took themselves. How dare an upstart Public Servant, of all people, I mean, aren't they supposed to be meek and mild and subservient for goodness sakes? How dare he do a better job than the paid hacks at Ltd News! This cannot be allowed to continue,”

Dear HS
Regarding yours –
And believing it relates to what Australia is supposed to become – a mature democracy – a model for the rest of the world – which it ain’t and never shall be while this sort of thing keeps happening.

Believe I heard Brandis? today on the radio talking about freedom of the press and whistleblower legislation.
While this alleged nation keeps operating with rules drawn up by the Rum Corps none of us are going anywhere important.

Arguments need ammunition.
Greg/Grog has a story. He needs support – more support than mere words.
I have a few stories myself and have dropped the hint about how my experience indicates how things work in Oz.

Despite my ‘nom de plume, Calligula’, I don’t have much faith in calling – ‘But if they had but one neck’ – to produce a just outcome.
Nor would I have any expectation that eternally nibbling away at the edges with words would contribute anything toward sorting out the mess that our society has become.

Be assured that it isn’t words that get up the nose of the oligarchy – it’s the fact supporting the words.
So come on people – out with some fact.

CALLIGULA

October 10. 2010 08:48 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Here's Peter Martin's latest blog about Grog:
www.petermartin.com.au/.../...llow-party-line.html

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 10. 2010 09:05 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Sir Ian Crisp,
              How goes the volcano? Still pumping?

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 10. 2010 09:23 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Calligula,
          I'm used to it. I was told in 1974 that it would be in my best interests not to go to an anti-Vietnam War demonstration by my School Principal! She told me to my face that ASIO would put me under observation if I did. As a 15y.o. I didn't feel as though I needed that sort of extra scrutiny in my life, so I didn't go. However it just goes to show that 1) I have always been outspoken and I guess I always will be, and 2) Nevertheless I am still here and blogging away madly(with the emphasis on mad). Smile
Just as long as you don't sail too close to the wind, you should always be OK.
And, as I said previously, it's only the truly influential who they make the effort to cut down to size.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 10. 2010 10:17 PM

Macca

Grogs outing was a cowardly act. But to be expected from a no talent Murdoch hack. Let's be honest, News Ltd is full to the brim with them. However, they delivered the fifth estate an unintended bonus.

They have shown, quite conclusively, that News Ltd have neither the intellectual or intelligent capacity to logically, honestly or ethically refute well written, well researched rebuttal to their arguments. In this they are extremely vulnerable.

The assassination of Grog, and that's what it was, goes much deeper than political campaign reportage. This, as always, is about power and wealth.

Grogs writing scared them. The fifth estate scares them.

Why?

Because truth and honesty are concepts they do understand but have no relevance in the use of influence to consolidate power in order to increase wealth. Grog, in his own way, challenged that. Grog got people talking and questioning....a dangerous man.

They are always going to monitor sites such as this. There is always going to be trolls, although jj has lasted longer than most. SIC i disregard completely as,imo he is a nitwit, although he does do a nice line in arcane words.

So what can we do?

Every News Ltd word written, uttered or,in the case of Paul Kelly, pontificated, has to be challenged, refuted and derided until they are forced to truth.

Murdoch understands the power of the fifth estate. It's time he was shown exactly how powerful citizen journalists can be.

Grog showed us how to do it.

Macca

October 10. 2010 11:00 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

   Off topic but I think it necessary to bring this into the overarching conversation about the Murray-Darling Basin Plan. A post from the highly respected Economist, John Quiggin, who puts the scenario before us very succinctly:
johnquiggin.posterous.com/john-quiggin-the-guide-to-the-draft-of-the-pl

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 10. 2010 11:08 PM

Acerbic Conehead

AA, well said!  So, can I invite you to adopt your choirmaster's pose and lead us in a few renditions of, "All we need is Grog”.  It is to the tune of The Beatles, "All you need is love".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4p8qxGbpOk
:- )
Grog, Grog, Grog (x3)
:- )
There’s plenty you can do that can be done
Plenty you can say cos you’re a gun
Plenty you can spray cos you don’t have to play their game
It’s easy
:- )
Plenty of Censure Motions to call
Just get in there and walk tall
Plenty you can still do to bring to life their Question Time
It’s easy
:- )
All we need is Grog
All we need is Grog
All we need is Grog, Grog
Grog is all we need
:- )
Don’t let Mr Green-Eyed Massola
Put you off with his crapola
He’s so cowardly – Joe McCarthy to a tee
So sleazy
:- )
All we need is Grog
All we need is Grog
All we need is Grog, Grog
Grog is all we need
:- )
All we need is Grog (all together, now!)
All we need is Grog. (everybody!)
All we need is Grog, Grog
Grog is all we need (Grog is all we need)
:- )
Yee-hai!
Oh yeah!
We luvs ya, yeah yeah yeah
We luvs ya, yeah yeah yeah

Acerbic Conehead

October 10. 2010 11:30 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

AcerbicC,
         In your own little way, I think you're just as good as Grog. Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 12:05 AM

Ad astra reply

Folks
Just in after an evening with dear friends.

Thank you all for your comments about Grog and your supportive words.  You capped it so well AC with your words set to "All we need is love", ending with "We luvs ya, yeah yeah, yeah.  It is good that Greg will know how we feel.

Ad astra reply

October 11. 2010 03:11 AM

Patricia WA

True Liberty Is When Free-born Men Speak Free

Milton’s Areopagitica
Cried  freedom for the press.
Its  victory played a major role
In  democracy’s progress.
Today some beneficiaries
Of his eloquent address
Would  use that very freedom
As a weapon to oppress.
‘Freedom’ is their  ’license’
To name and to suppress
Those who strongly criticize
The power of the press.


Patricia WA

October 11. 2010 07:43 AM

Bring Back Maxine

AA

Thank you for eloquently expressing the support many of us in the Fifth Estate have for Grog. IMHO, I believe his "Spartacus no more" to be his swan song. As a family man, if I was in Grog's shoes, I would feel that my ability to support & protect my family was directly threatened by the unAustralian's outing. We need to respect Grog's decision whatever his reasons.

IMO, we in the Fifth Estate really need to hit back. Simply exposing and arguing against the deliberate misinformation put out by the Australian. isn't sufficient. A total boycott of both hard & internet copy of the Australian is the only course of action that will be effective. (As Mr Denmore said wtte that every click on a News hyperlink is revenue to Murdoch.)

Bring Back Maxine

October 11. 2010 07:53 AM

BK

If you're lurking here Grog I agree totally with what AA has said.
Every day I go to your sight in the hope that you have resurfaced.
I do hope that all is well with you and that we can be informed and entertained by your excellent contributions soon.

BK

October 11. 2010 08:35 AM

Sir Ian Crisp

Maxine, your corpse is starting to smell.

Parenthetically, according to the boys and girls a March 2010 Crikey (impeccable source of news) article the weekday newspaper readership of the three major newspapers in NSW was 2,070,000. Broken down, the figures are: The Australian 370,000, The Daily Telegraph 950,000, and The Sydney Morning Herald 750,000. The two major newspapers from the nasty Murdoch stable boast a combined figure of 1,320,000 of which only The Australian bucked the trend of declining readership figures.

I put it to you that because of the caterwauling at TPS and other ‘unbiased’ (cough cough) sites The Australian has increased its readership. Add to that is the fact that some of those who read the nasty Murdoch papers look like they  voted for the ALP (see AA’s earlier article about what the voters wanted). Each time you convey the notion that only shallow people read the nasty Murdoch papers you may actually be insulting a rather large slab of ALP voters.

It might just be that you are political road kill because The Australian isn't widely read in your electorate.

HS, you'll have to try much harder.

Sir Ian Crisp

October 11. 2010 08:40 AM

lyn

TODAY'S LINKS

You say potato and I say potahto, Ashghebranious, Ash's to Ashes Blog
The business of Opposition is taking a very nasty, ferocious approach.
And it has nothing to do with keeping the government to account and
all designed strictly to garner votes.
http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com:80/2010/10/10/you-say-potato-and-i-say-potahto/

I Shall Return With Mail & Tanks, Nasking, Cafe Whispers
I noticed Tony predictably put on some real “manly” poses when sitting
w/ the troops…I thought:
cafewhispers.wordpress.com/.../

Abbott wanted to join Aussie troops in action ABC
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has told soldiers in Afghanistan that he
had requested to go out on missions with them to get a better idea of
what conditions on the ground were like.
www.abc.net.au/.../3034209.htm?section=justin

Jet lag over, angry Abbott goes on the warpath , Peter hartcher,
National Times

The Opposition Leader seems to be mistaken
The reporter who disclosed the fact that he had turned down the Gillard
offer, The Sydney Morning Herald's Phillip Coorey, says that the
information did not come from the government
www.nationaltimes.com.au/.../...0101010-16e0c.html

The Australian does not follow a party line, Peter Martin
James and his employer knew it would get Grogs in trouble with his employer
- the public service. They as good as boasted about it.
www.petermartin.com.au/.../...llow-party-line.html

We'll all be rooned!, Petering Time, North Coast Voices
the doomsayers were bellowing across the land, and as usual the Oz meeja were
happy to give them column space......
northcoastvoices.blogspot.com/.../...e-rooned.html

MDBA “Guide to the Proposed Basin Plan”Harry Clarke
www.harryrclarke.com/.../

lyn

October 11. 2010 09:03 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

AcerbicC,
         In your own little way, I think you're just as good as Grog. Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 09:05 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

'A total boycott of both hard & internet copy of the Australian is the only course of action that will be effective. (As Mr Denmore said wtte that every click on a News hyperlink is revenue to Murdoch.)'
Already done, BBM. As I already have AdBlock Plus installed on my computer, even if I do happen to click through to The Oz, for information purposes only, I don't come in contact with the ads. Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 09:06 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

PatriciaWA,
           You're getting better all the time! Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 09:16 AM

lyn

Hi Hillbilly

What a good idea, where did you get Ad Block and what is the software
called, appreciate your information.

cheers

lyn

October 11. 2010 09:38 AM

debbiep



Hi all,

I have been blown away by how much support and interest grog is/has received , and that in it self speaks volumes...

I also add this link as interesting  reading material about Abbott written by Glenn Milnes on the drum today, enjoy..

www.abc.net.au/unleashed/39886.html#comments

debbiep

October 11. 2010 09:57 AM

Ad astra reply

LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: www.thepoliticalsword.com/.../...-Daily-Links.aspx

Ad astra reply

October 11. 2010 10:03 AM

lyn

Hi Debbie P

Thankyou for the link to Milnes story, I did enjoy reading.

Typical of Abbott though isn't it, no surprises with
his behaviour.  At least Milne is telling us as is this time.

lyn

October 11. 2010 12:28 PM

George Pike

Anyone see Abbott's reaction to reporters at Sydney airport? He was like a stirred up doberman..."ask me anything and I'll cut your throat" was the intimation carried in his voice and body talk. How could such a vile despicable character even get close to running this country for God's sake?

George Pike

October 11. 2010 12:30 PM

nasking

Top stuff per usual Ad astra. Grog is highly informative & a good read. The blogosphere, Australia needs his insightful commentary.

I wrote the comment below at the Cafe after readin' this part of yer piece:

Of course not all media coverage has been supportive of your position, or indeed of the position of bloggers in general, as we saw in the Townsville Bulletin, appropriately tagged ‘The Bully’, in its anonymous editorial Cowardly world of bloggers which labelled us “…increasingly puerile bloggers, self-appointed guardians of righteousness and all that is wrong about society and, in particular, newspapers.” And later in the article it asserted: “Bloggers, on the other hand, represent nothing. They whinge, carp and whine about our role in society, and yet they contribute nothing to it, other than satisfying their juvenile egos.” So there…

Hmmm...so, when the people who don’t get paid to speak out tell it as they see it, then they are whingers, whiners & carpers.

I reckon that comment tells ya more about the arrogance, or puppet nature, of the writer than it does the truth of the matter.

I doubt that discussin’ the state of Australian’s teeth, the cost of bogus wars, affordable housin’, the attrocious state that deregulation of the financial industry helped create in America, the extent of media influence & vertical/horizontal integration, and the consumin’ of our Rights & environment & public dosh by various corporation & dynasties would be considered by many readers as just havin’ a “whine”.

Empowerment scares the powerful. They get petty & brutal. And use yer own words/ideas against you & those you support...like cats in a corner...they scratch & hiss.

But eventually they’ll have to see reason. Or fade away.

That’s how we ended up w/ a social security system, Medicare, affordable education, gay rights, anti-discrimination laws...eventually the people stopped listenin’ to those who had a vested interest in keepin’ the status quo.

Feel free to tell ‘em what ya think. And link, link, link.

Perhaps we can “whinge” & “whine” our way into a real participatory democracy?  

N’

nasking

October 11. 2010 12:33 PM

nasking

Grog is the greasy pig that will never be caught! More power to his squealing! May he come back soon and speak truth to power like never before.

He he...Hillbilly, I like it!

N'

nasking

October 11. 2010 12:55 PM

Michael

Yes we do.

Michael

October 11. 2010 12:58 PM

nasking

debbiep, thnx for the Milne link at ABC Unleashed...so it's "all or nothing" for the egotistical, power mad Abbott eh?

I know Abbott luvs this "local power" bit...he's been fartin' on about David Cameron's 'Big Society' of late...supposedly transferring power away from central government to the local community.

Hmmm, sounds like just another way to feed the rich & screw the poor if ya ask me...for instance, in America local property taxes are primary funders of public schools. Hasn't that gone down a treat? No wonder Obama had to pour stimulus moneys into those schools.

Dig beneath the grandiose jargon & labels and you'll find the trough & sewers beneath.

As long as we can keep some communities poor, havin' tons of babies, creatin' lots of consumers who can be brainwashed by media mogul allies to buy cheap, toxic food & goodies, and ensure they work for minimal wage and send their kids to fight our wars...well then, who cares about redistributin' the fair share of the pie...RIGHT?

If they get anxious, we can always pit them against the migrants we brought in to do the crap work...RIGHT?

N'

nasking

October 11. 2010 01:03 PM

Gravel

AC
"We love you yeah yeah yeah!" compliments an article written from Ad Astra's heart, and most of our hearts are in the same place. (Oh and I actually could sing that to the tune....I'm not very musical and have trouble with some of the others you have done so well.)

Like many I click on Grog's link every time I'm on the computer (which is most days) and keep hoping for a new topic.  I even got up the courage to comment on his final blog.....

To me, it would be like not having The Political Sword to click onto, and reading all you great people's ideas.  Oh and happy birthday TPS, is it two years? It doesn't seem that long, like the old saying "Time flies when you  are having fun".

Gravel

October 11. 2010 01:12 PM

lyn

Hi Nasking

Thankyou so much for your enjoyable comments, I love what you have
to say, so true and to the point.  Oh! and 3 comments at once
wow! thanks Nasking.

lyn

October 11. 2010 01:12 PM

Ad astra

Patricia WA
What a splendid poem.  So true. Thank you.

Ad astra

October 11. 2010 01:21 PM

Patricia WA

Thanks, HS. It's sites and posts like this which get one fired up and sharpening the sword as it were. Immediately after leaving TPS I found that Miglo at http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/ had also been writing about freedom of expression and abuse of power by Murdoch and his murky mates. Reading that and Nasking's observation that 'Empowerment scares the powerful' has encouraged me to try to sharpen it up a bit more. As well, my grandsons, not surprisingly, hadn't a clue what the Areopagitica is. I hope the few extra words and lines of explanation are an improvement and not a distraction from what I wish could really say i.e. "Rupert! Do yourself, and the world, a favor. Drop dead!"

True Liberty Is When Free-born Men Speak Free.

Those few words above
Paraphrase what’s best
In Milton’s Areopagitica.
Crying freedom for the press,
In 17th century England
Against monarchy’s excess,
His tract was a mighty weapon
In democracy’s progress.
Modern beneficiaries
Of his eloquent address
Now use that hard won freedom
As a weapon to oppress.
‘Freedom’ is their ’license’
To name and to suppress
A writer who dares question
How one man can possess,
World wide, as private property,
The power of the press.

Patricia WA

October 11. 2010 01:25 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Nasking,
         That 'Big Society' in Small Communities is just another Tory Divide and Conquer play. Once you fracture the society and put petty little dicators in charge of mini fiefdoms then you can control the serfs organinsing to fight back against the overlords.
And if you drain the blood away from organised labour and the party that represents them in government, they will no longer have the power to counteract you. QED.
   On the surface, this 'Local Boards' idea sounds appealing. I mean, who doesn't have delusions of grandeur that extend to controlling their local P&C? However, in practice, as you have pointed to occurring elsewhere, such as in the US, these Local Boards sticking their greasy paws into every honey jar around, from Education, to Council, to Health, simply become infected by either organised religion and their avatars, or organised capital. Yer average mum and dad, who may vote for it as a concept, innocently, know not what they are doing.
   Nope. We just have to keep 2 ideas foremost in our minds.
1. 'Solidarity Forever'.
2. 'The Workers United Will Never Be Defeated'...unless the Tories/Conservatives get into power and alter the laws to outlaw us again.
   Actually, I'm also a strong 'Communitarian'. However that is more along the lines of an Obama/Saul Alinsky Community Organiser, as opposed to the Libertarian/Laissez Faire/Ayn Rand acolyte who just wants to let it all hang out, purely on a 'Survival of the Fittest/'Individual Empowerment' basis. That's just a recipe for disaster and social decline as we go back to the failed 'Christian Charity' model that Howard, and I presume Abbott, love to push on us. I don't want to be told that I have to make a compact with God in order to get my handout.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 01:26 PM

Ad astra

Bring Back Maxine
Welcome back under your new name.  We are few, but we hope Grog will hear our heartfelt wish that he return.  The start of the next parliamentary sitting might be a suitable time so that we can enjoy once more his dissection of QT.

Despite Sir Ian's comments about newspaper circulations, every paper we the few decline to buy, every click on MSM websites we purposely decide to avoid, is yet another drip that erodes circulation and revenue.  Eventually something has got to give.

BK
Good to see you back.  I echo your sentiments about Grog.

Ad astra

October 11. 2010 01:55 PM

lyn

Hi George

I saw the clips of Abbott arriving at the airport, yes he was furious.

You see he has been exposed. Abbott told the troops in his speech, Julia
Gillard committed an act of bastardry by leaking that he refused her
invitation, then this morning, Peter Hartcher has reported that Phillip
Coorey received the leak and "it did not come from the Government"

Abbott slams Gillard over Afghan trip , SMH
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has criticised Prime Minister Julia Gillard
over what he says was "an act of low bastardry" in not revealing his plan
to visit Afghanistan.
news.smh.com.au/.../...an-trip-20101011-16efe.html

lyn

October 11. 2010 02:14 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

PatriciaWA,
           Hear! Hear! The pen is indeed truly mightier than the sword.However, keep sharpening your pen, it is as sharp as any sword.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 02:14 PM

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NormanK
A belated thank you for your congratulatory remarks about TPS’s second birthday on 13 September.  I missed it myself.  Yet I should have remembered it – that is my wife’s birthday. The date that sticks in my mind is 14 June 2008 when I had my first post: Is the media in Australia suffering from groupthink? on Possum Pollytics The Possum Box  thepossumbox.wordpress.com/.../

So we’ll have to postpone the party and the balloons and the confetti until next birthday, provided we survive that long.  

Thank you for your warm comments about TPS and the way it is managed.  I appreciate that very much.  We now have a collection of great bloggers who enrich the site with their thoughtful comments.  The site continues to grow with such strong support.

Mrs AA is keeping an eye on me as I struggle to attend to TPS while fulfilling other obligations here in Cairns at the conference and meeting with longstanding friends.  So please accept my apologies for my rather slow response to your congratulations.

I enjoyed your links to the dumbest quotes for which we need to acknowledge George W  Bush’s sterling contribution  Two beauties on education have special appeal: "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." and "As yesterday's positive report card shows, childrens do learn when standards are high and results are measured." Indubitably!

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October 11. 2010 02:27 PM

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CALLIGULA
Thank you for your several contributions and your comments and warnings.  The blogosphere has its traps, of which we need to be aware, but not intimidated by them.  The issue of deleted comments is worrisome.  It seems that some newspapers censor out some of the comments that do not support the argument they are running, or posters wait an interminable time for their contributions to be posted.  Some never make it.  That style of censorship is unacceptable.  Of course, abusive or defamatory posts ought to be be censored out; we are fortunate to have few such posts on TPS.

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October 11. 2010 02:29 PM

nasking

Once you fracture the society and put petty little dicators in charge of mini fiefdoms then you can control the serfs organinsing to fight back against the overlords.
And if you drain the blood away from organised labour and the party that represents them in government, they will no longer have the power to counteract you. QED.


Spot on Hillbilly. I lived in the UK long enuff to see examples of wee fiefdoms related to the running of some hospitals.

N'

nasking

October 11. 2010 02:30 PM

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Lyn
I’m sure Grog will be touched by your kind words.  We may never know what was behind News Limited’s ‘outing’ of Grog, but the many who enjoyed his commentaries, especially on QT, will be earnestly hoping he returns, and soon.

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October 11. 2010 02:35 PM

Ad astra reply

Gravel
Thank you for your kind words about TPS.  It can never be a substitute for a site such as Grog’s Gamut, but I’m glad you find it interesting.  Now once we set the ball rolling, others come in with pertinent and thoughtful comments to maintain the momentum, which makes the site good reading.

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October 11. 2010 02:38 PM

Macca

AA and HS

I agree with not buying or clicking onto any thing owned or connected to Murdock. My contention is that every word written or uttered by a Murdock hack has to be challenged. Whether it be a slanted news piece, an opinion piece or a partisan editorial. Everything in their rags must be challenged.

My reasoning for this?....apart from the obvious.

The only product Murdock has to sell is blank paper. He needs to sell that blank paper to advertisers. They buy the blank paper to fill with their adds and ,presumably, pay rates based on circulation, reach and, importantly, public perception of the news vehicle they're advertising in.

Buy challenging and rebutting the partisanship of News Ltd via the web, facebook, twitter etc. the noise will be created and it will be reported upon. People will listen and draw their own conclusions.

In essence, the fifth estate has to make so much noise that advertisers will start to think twice about where they are spending their budgets. Once that starts to happen Murdock is gone.

We need to show what a toxic entity News Ltd is.

Macca

October 11. 2010 02:43 PM

nasking

Lyn, many thnx. And top job on the link hunting...I really dug the You say potato and I say potahto, Ashghebranious, Ash's to Ashes Blog . Illuminatin'. Especially this:

He claimed that John Howard had stopped the boats. Um not quite Tony. John managed to stop the stats. He also had wonderful luck! If you call it that. The Bali bombing immediately put Indonesia on the world map. Even the United States became interested. It effectively curtailed the smuggling business.

But just as it seemed the smugglers could start again, a Tsunami hit South East Asia. It was enough for the United States to send in an air craft carrier with its sophisticated long range radar systems into the area. The ship stayed there till 2005. As soon as it left, and despite the Howard policies in place, the boats started coming again.


Makes sense.

Ya know, as soon as I saw Abbott playin' Rambo w/ that weapon I thought: "What a great role model he is for young lads...there will certainly be no gun buyback scheme under Abbott". Groan.

Keep up the great work Lyn.

N'

nasking

October 11. 2010 02:50 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Nasking,
        I'm convinced Tony Abbott secretly wants to be Bear Grylls. Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 02:55 PM

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Sir Ian
Thank you for your reassurance – at sunrise I looked anxiously out of my hotel window across the Cairns marina, and behold, there was the sun – rising in the east – again!  So all’s well with the world, despite the mauling of one of our favourite people by The Oz.  I hope Grog feels similarly reassured by your words.

It was heartened too to see that a bevy of intense bloggers at Reykjavíkurflugvöllur were glued to TPS.  I feared we had lost that regular audience.

I see you are back to your caustic best in your response to Bring Back Maxine and HS.  If your circulation figures are correct, despite doubts being cast last weekend on circulation stats after the finding of stacks of unopened bundles of newspapers that ought not to have been counted as genuine circulation, I suppose we at TPS should ask the proprietor of The Oz for a bonus for increasing the circulation of that incredible purveyor of truth and justice through our blogging efforts.

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October 11. 2010 02:59 PM

Island View

Lyn

I’m convinced that Gleeson published the Townsville Bully's editorial in response to my posting their real circulation figures the day before. See bloggingtownsville.blogspot.com/.../...sville.html

See also my response to the editorial here: bloggingtownsville.blogspot.com/.../...es-our.html

He’s been p$ssed with me for sometime and I’m loving it!

Island View

October 11. 2010 03:08 PM

NormanK

Patricia WA
Yes George W. appears to have been as thick as two short planks.
Here is George the Younger at his oratory best :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ&NR=1

This one's a spoof - a re-take on "Who's on first?" Slow to start but good for a laugh.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfwRb_XKFvA&NR=1

We apologise for this break in the programme. Resumption of intellectual discourse will resume as soon as possible.
Go balloons!


Back slightly closer to the topic, the photo accompanying Ash's lasted article was particularly disturbing. As if Goodwill Tony needs more adrenaline and testosterone in his system. I wonder how many of our troops thought to themselves - "There goes Onan the Barbarian".

NormanK

October 11. 2010 03:09 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

  See what I mean about the Liberals 'Hidden Agenda':
au.news.yahoo.com/.../

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 03:09 PM

nasking

"I'm convinced Tony Abbott secretly wants to be Bear Grylls."

LOL. Could be Hillbilly...would be doin' the country a great service if he pissed off to climb Mount Everest and went explorin' the Northwest Passage. Then ballooned over the Pacific. Could take Brandis to inflate the hot air balloon and Hockey as ballast.

Wouldn't they be missed?

N'

nasking

October 11. 2010 03:11 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

  Then there was the revelation today by Bruce Guthrie, former Editor of The Herald Sun, that they inflated the circulation figures by 100,000 every day he was there.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 03:51 PM

Ad astra reply

Patricia WA
Your second poem is even more germane.  The manipulative power of the media is a threat to us all, as we have so starkly with Grog’s ‘outing’.

debbiep
Thank you for the link to Glenn Milne story, quite a contrast to his usual orientation.  Perhaps he’s decided to give the conservatives the flick.  Let’s see though – our Glenn oscillates wildly at times.

George
Tones would give the Doberman a bad name.  He’s a pugilist from way back.  I wrote a piece on December 10 last year after his election as leader The pugilistic politician www.thepoliticalsword.com/.../...c-politician.aspx It’s worth revisiting.

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October 11. 2010 04:06 PM

D Mick Weir

All I can say about this is, it seems, that some bar steward has gotten a little uppity and shut of the grog early and there are many thirsty customers screaming for another drink.

D Mick Weir

October 11. 2010 04:07 PM

Ad astra reply

nasking
Good to see you back – many thanks for your several contributions and your kind words.

Your comment about Tony Abbott as Rambo is germane.  That machine gun-toting photo in The Oz is a metaphor for his behaviour – indeed in that paper it was attached to the story about Abbott’s accusation of Gillard ‘bastardry’ over the Afghanistan visit.  He’s very angry and has got her in his sights despite that the journo who ran the ‘Abbott declined Gillard’s invitation to accompany her to Afghanistan’ story, Philip Coorey, insists the story did not come from her or her office.  Not that that central piece of information was given much prominence in The Oz where Matthew Franklin squeezed the last drop of anti-Gillard rhetoric he could into his column.

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October 11. 2010 04:15 PM

Ad astra reply

Island View
Well done.  ‘The Bully’, like most bullies, will not appreciate your counter attack, but keep it up.  The circulation figures you revealed look pretty poor for the regional newspapers.

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October 11. 2010 04:25 PM

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Bilko, HS, Macca
Thank you for your stirring words and support for Grog.  I agree that the less support we give the Murdoch empire, the more it may become apparent to his hirelings that we are sick and tired of his pernicious influence on society’s thinking.  We are few, but like the Lilliputians, we may eventually tie him down.

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October 11. 2010 04:28 PM

Ad astra reply

D Mick Weir
Your comment is apt.

Folks
Now that the conference is over, I hope I’ve now caught up with responding to your many comments.  Thank you for adding so much to the dialogue.

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October 11. 2010 04:52 PM

lyn

Hi Island View

Thankyou so much for commenting on "The Political Sword,"

also thankyou for leaving the 2 links for our other dear readers.

You are embarking on a fine mission with your blog, keep up the
good work, we at "The Political Sword" will keep a close watch
on your excellent blog articles.

Thankyou for installing Norman K's piece on your sidebar, Norman is
on of our regular supreme contributors.


The decline and decline of the Townsville Bulletin, Island View, Blogging Townsville
We're the Voice, you better understand it
See our words they're filled with hate
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
We're not gonna sit in silence
You'd better pull your head in mate
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!

Posted by NormanK on 09/10/10 with apologies to John Farnham

bloggingtownsville.blogspot.com/.../...sville.html

Cheers

lyn

October 11. 2010 04:59 PM

CALLIGULA

In reply – “it's only the truly influential who they make the effort to cut down to size.”
Dear HS,
I’d humbly suggest there might be a few other categories ‘they’ like to censor.
Besides which it isn’t unreasonable of me to suppose, that if I’ve been subject to certain activity including suppression of my poor attempts at comment on what appeared to be an almost ‘industrial’ scale, that there must be a motive behind the actions of who’s doing the censorship.
By the way – I’m talking about, but not exclusively about, a timeframe going back to the Howard regime.

In reply – “The issue of deleted comments is worrisome. It seems that some newspapers censor out some of the comments that do not support the argument they are running, or posters wait an interminable time for their contributions to be posted. Some never make it. That style of censorship is unacceptable. Of course, abusive or defamatory posts ought to be be censored”
Dear Ad Astra,
If it was the news media I was referring to – well, let’s just say that these days they make Herr Goebbels look like a choirboy.
Unfortunately I’m not talking about them.

Ha! I trust I’m not being nasty in that way when I write Goebbels and news media in the one sentence?

What it is about is certain people out there who simply cannot hack a different point of view.

Nonetheless I do agree with the gist of your statement and what you say, above, about abusive, defamatory and the like.

In fact I’m mostly referring to a few individuals who set up pages on the net and unequivocally invite outsider’s comment on what they’ve published themselves.

I don’t personally see much point in adding myself to a list of other comment that I essentially agree with unless, as with this thread, it involves perceived injustice and the like.
Anyway, I had always assumed the whole idea was to encourage a spot of discourse and controversy.

My experience convinces me that someone who sets up a blog and invites comment – whose pages list numerous pontifications appended with - Comments – 0 - may simply be having a bad year. But when some fair time is spent putting pinkies to keyboard and electrons to monitor, ultimately to no visible purpose – its then I begin to doubt the motives of some of these bloggers.

I could name some ‘prominent’ names and email along the proof – but that would definitely be perceived as defamatory.

CALLIGULA

October 11. 2010 05:11 PM

lyn

Hi Ad

More Gaffes and Abbott, Hockey and Robb are frantically, scrambling
to change the news cycle:

Shock Horror! Hockey Lied over Independent Costings Audit!Reb, Gutter Trash
The not so avuncular one is in hot water today after claims published in the Sydney Morning Herald suggest the the Federal Liberal party did not have their budget figures “audited” by Perth accountancy firm WHK Horwath as he previously claimed.

The opposition finance spokesman, Andrew Robb, backed Mr Hockey, saying if Horwath made ”a mistake with the auditing of accounts for companies … they are at risk of … going to jail”.
http://guttertrash.wordpress.com:80/2010/10/11/shock-horror-hockey-lied-over-independent-costings-audit/

lyn

October 11. 2010 05:45 PM

lyn

Hi Ad

most television viewers are being swallowed by a conservative news agenda,
whose main tactics are to report on trivial trash so as to distract the
public from the real issues like


Fox in the Sky
Sky is great at this tactic. Take this morning, when the channel was
swamped with coverage on Tony Abbott's accusation of "low bastardry"
towards Julia Gillard. Bastardry is not a word. Sky news (and Channel 7,
its partner in crime) have gone apeshit with this "issue",
twelve51.blogspot.com/2010/10/fox-in-sky.html

lyn

October 11. 2010 06:19 PM

George Pike

I just put a note on the Telly's Face Book page...they were covering the Abbott bollocks heavily in his favour, the big war hero etc.
"You news ltd filth turn everything Abbott's way don't you. You are about as Australian as Bin Ladin, you worthless slime..."
Wonder if that'll touch their heart strings..

George Pike

October 11. 2010 06:50 PM

lyn

Hi Everybody


Samanther Maiden tweeting, Kevin Rudd on 7.30 report tonight:

samanthamaiden    This could be fun RT @abc730report Tonight -
Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd joins #730Report live from Canberra
about 2 hours ago via web

lyn

October 11. 2010 06:50 PM

Patricia WA

Thanks, Norman, lol!

Patricia WA

October 11. 2010 08:04 PM

Sir Ian Crisp

AA, thank you for your usual courteous reply. I was just reaching for my pipe and slippers when I caught a snippet of information from the 6pm news. Hell, I nearly spilled my Ballantine’s®™ on my lounge chair. Mr Um-Err-Ah informed us that the Bird of Paradox knew of his plans to visit the troops in Afghanistan some weeks back. The image makers have taken great care to create a certain quality and aura about our PM; the PM as a Junoesque figure if you will. Her clumsy statements of a few days ago have destroyed that image. She may be just as willing as Mr Um-Err-Ah to get down in the gutter to do her fighting. Not the actions of a Junoesque spinster I’m sure you will agree. I am mortified.

Please tell me the PM has transcended the grubby game of Australian politics. Or is she just another cheap shop type of pollie?

Sir Ian Crisp

October 11. 2010 09:11 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

   The opposition to the Murray-Darling Basin Plan is getting desperate:
www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/11/3035432.htm

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 09:12 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

lyn,
    It sounds funny when you talk about tweeting. Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 09:14 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Someone put this photo of Tony Abbott up on Twitter:
www.funnyjunk.com/.../

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 09:29 PM

lyn

Hi Hillbilly

Glad it sounds funny saying tweeting, I love being funny.,
makes me tweet faster, chirp, chirp.

By the way you must have missed my comment earlier, where I asked
about your program for stopping ads.

Did you think Kevin Rudd was fantastic, handsome and delightful on
the 7.30 report, I thought he handled very well, the ridiculous
questions Kerrie O'Brien asked, how did he feel when Julia Gillard
took over, Der, sure Kevin is about to tell National Television
how he felt. Judging by Kevin's program as Foreign Minister he
probably can't even remember how he felt. Also I liked Kevin's
comments about Barrie Cassidy, give it to him Kevin, I say.

lyn

October 11. 2010 09:40 PM

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Island View
Like Lyn, I hope you will become a member of the TPS family.  Do return again.

Lyn
We always knew the Coalition's costings were shonky and that WHK Horwath was being used to authenticate them.  The truth now emerges that not only did they not do an audit, they did not validate the assumptions, simply accepting them, and that seemingly all they did was to check that the sums added up, something a spreadsheet does anyway.  The whole episode was a charade simply to avoid scrutiny of the Coalition figures.  The charade is now fully exposed.

Lyn, George
The ‘bastardry’ story is a massive beat up to amuse the Sky News staff and entertain their longsuffering audience.  Even the erudite Sir Ian seems to have swallowed it hook line and sinker, and has already expressed horror and surprise that Jules has seemingly descended into the gutter with the consummate street fighter Tones, the knuckle man who can also handle a rapid fire weapon with distinction.

Sir Ian
Be assured, Jules is as pure as the driven snow.  Read the whole story and you will see that neither she, nor anyone from her office, leaked the story about Tones backing off from a trip to Afghanistan with Jules.  Maybe it was one of Tony’s 'mates'.

Lyn
Kevin Rudd did well on the 7.30 Report tonight.  He looked more relaxed than he used to, and Kerry behaved himself.

CALLIGULA
When you use Goebbels and the News Limited media in the one sentence, there is no incongruity .

Lyn
I will probably be on the road before your links arrive, so I’ll post them when I settle for the evening in Bowen, Proserpine or Mackay.

Folks
I’ll be on the road from early tomorrow so you won’t hear much from me until the evening.

I'll now say goodnight.

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October 11. 2010 09:45 PM

lyn

Hi Ad

Word is travelling, have blog will travel:

Irony missing from the News Limited dictionary, John Quiggin
News of the Grog’s Gamut debacle has reached my former home of Townsville, where the appalling Townsville Bulletin (aka Bully) publishes a splendid piece of invective against cowardly bloggers “who hide under the veil of anonymity, taking cheap shots to satisfy their trendy social agenda”. The author of this marvellous diatribe deserves some recognition, but sadly …

(H/T The Political Sword

Categories: Boneheaded stupidity, Media Tags:
johnquiggin.com/.../

lyn

October 11. 2010 09:47 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

lyn,
    Sorry I must've missed your request earlier on. Actually my son put me onto this Freeware program called AdBlockPlus. It's like magic. Install it and all the ads disappear! All I do now is read whatever I want on the Internet and no ad ever intrudes on my peace of mind. Smile
   Here's a link for you:
download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0.html
   Just go down the left hand side to pick your OS.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 10:01 PM

lyn

Hi Hillbilly

Thanks so much for link, giving you a "peck" for that.

lyn

October 11. 2010 10:26 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

  Latest Newspoll:
www.theaustralian.com.au/.../story-fn59niix-1225937366491
  Voters are proving hard to shift from one side of the ledger to the other. Though they appear to be tiring of Tony Abbott(wonder why?) Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 10:48 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Newspoll tables:
http://filesocial.com/j4fom4l

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 10:49 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

lyn,
    My pleasure. Smile I like annoying nasty capitalists.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 11. 2010 11:53 PM

CALLIGULA

“CALLIGULA
When you use Goebbels and the News Limited media in the one sentence, there is no incongruity .”

Dear AA,
Re – my last.
But does that mean I can now name names and spit out my dummy??

CALLIGULA

October 12. 2010 07:11 AM

Ad astra reply

CALLIGULA
We try always to be polite on TPS and write nothing that could be construed as defamatory.  That still gives us plenty of scope for vigorous debate.

Ad astra reply

October 12. 2010 07:14 AM

Ad astra reply

HS
Thanks for the Newspoll link.  The result is similar to Essential.

You are right though, Tony is not doing well in the popularity stakes, not that that will dissuade him from his combative approach.

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October 12. 2010 08:15 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

You decide:
consciencevote.wordpress.com/.../

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 08:20 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

   It's not a matter of 'our boys' being let off the hook because they were fighting the good fight in Afghanistan, Mr Abbott, it's the fact that they murdered innocent Afghani citizens and they should be held accountable for their actions, as should any murderer in any situation. Whether they wear "the Queen's uniform"(quote the uberMOnarchist Tony Abbott, before the election), or not.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 08:40 AM

lyn

[b]TODAY'S LINKS[/b

SELECTIVE LINKS,

Newspoll: 50 -50 Willam Bowe, The Poll Bludger
This is despite a sharp deterioration in Tony Abbott’s personal ratings,
which have seen a 9 per cent drop in approval (to 39 per cent) and rise
in disapproval (47 per cent).
her lead as preferred prime minister has widened from 50-34 to 52-31.
blogs.crikey.com.au/.../

Who watches the watchers of those who watch watching the watchers, Andrew Elder, Politically Homeless
Like, really really real, just like the editor of The Townsville Bulletin except
much more real. My blog has about as many readers as that paper, if you don't
count all the copies dumped unread at educational institutions and cafés,
andrewelder.blogspot.com/.../...ose-who-watch.html

It's a case of ... Believe it or not!, Ashghevranious, Ash's to Ashes Blog
The man who brought you the STOP THE BOATS claim; the man who cried fiscal responsibility; the man who cried lowering interest rates; the man who cried
reduced prudent government spending has the gall to use the word bastardry
in a sentence.
http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com:80/2010/10/11/its-a-case-of-believe-it-or-not/

Machiavellian bastardry or masterful misdirection, The Conscience Vote
Abbott let fly at Prime Minister Julia Gillard,
accusing her of an act of ‘Machiavellian bastardry, low bastardry’.
That’s a serious accusation.
consciencevote.wordpress.com/.../

When too much opinion is more than enough @abcthedrum, Kim, Larvatus Prodeo
Kevin Rudd gave a speech to the UN General Assembly a while back. At the time,
its content was almost completely ignored, with press coverage
larvatusprodeo.net/.../

What else could the Libs get the ABC to put in quotes on its front page?,
Jeremy Sear, Pure Poison

Pity they won’t quote me. I’ve got several choice expressions I’d be happy
for them to repeat about Tony Abbott. I can’t necessarily back them up, but
apparently that no longer matters.
blogs.crikey.com.au/.../

Labor has little to lose by going hard on Murray-Darling, Mungo MacCallum, CrikeyJulia Gillard has promised that she will not shrink from the hard decisions. They
won’t come much harder than the one she will have to make on the Murray-Darling
Basin.
www.crikey.com.au/.../

We should demand something better than this, The News With Nipples
The only voice in the story is Tony Abbott’s. It’s not even ‘he said, she said’ journaliam – it’s essentially a 644-word opinion piece from the Opposition Leader calling the Prime Minister names. And the SMH calls this ‘reporting’. Really?
How is this ok?
newswithnipples.wordpress.com/.../

The marketing malady that plagues politics, Andrew Catsaras, Unleashed
There are two problems with this approach and it reveals that this sickness
infecting politics has generated a dangerous brain atrophying fever.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/39910.html

Abbott is a Dill, Neil Mitchell
This is a bad look. This is not a game. This is neither fun or a photo opportunity.
This is war and Australians have died. Guns are dangerous and our soldiers carry
them to protect themselves. Tony Abbott didn't need a gun.
www.3aw.com.au/.../20101011-16efr.html

lyn

October 12. 2010 08:49 AM

George Pike

Bit like 4 Corners last hey HS, the bit where GWBush was telling the world how much the Iraqis loved and adored the the great American liberators! No doubt about the old conservative imperialist mentality is there. The simple truth is that Abbott and his crew helped take a fairly simple situation of routing the terrorist infrastructure from Afghanistan and turn it into a full blown long term tragedy by invading Iraq..and the mass media still kiss their bums for being the righteous ones...what a complete and utter joke they truly are!

Just been listening to the super conman tony abbott dribbling his worthless spiel ad nauseum, gratis of his dear little mates in the ABC's AM radio show...Alexandra Kirk being the eager and willing co-conspirator in that particular piece of broadcasting bastardry. Dame Joan would have gone to her grave saddened to the core at the vision of Australia being turned slowly but surely into an extremist fascist empire by the conservatives and their media mates.

Surely it is time for the government to get very serious with the ABC. The entire board and the senior executive staff should be sacked poste haste before they become just a another wing of news ltd. It is becoming farcical. Abbott can do what ever he likes and the ABC, News Ltd co-conspirators just give it a rapid coat of white wash and turn it back on the government with lies and innuendo.

This is truly a dangerous period in the history of English speaking Western Societies. Barack Obama indicated that he clearly recognises this fact with his statements regarding Murdoch and his SkyNews channel. He actually said that America's future progress will be damaged by the blatant political propaganda tatics being used by the News Ltd empire. The time for talk is over, the government must start acting to bring this evil to a halt before we really do end becoming a neo-fascist state with an evil little zealot like Tony Abbott as its puppet emporer!

The true intent of these subversive actions by Murdoch and co is obviously to give the global corporate sector absolute power over the global economy. The shadowy firgures in this paradigm are the heads of the global mining, energy and war industries...Abbott, Palin, Boehler, Cameron and co are just their willing and eager (and totally ignorant) puppets!

George Pike

October 12. 2010 08:54 AM

lyn

TODAY'S LINKS PART 2

STILL SELECTIVE, Our bloggers are out there in full force today:

Westpoll: 52 - 48 to Federal Coalition in WA, William Bowe, The Poll Bludger
which if accurate would amount to a 4.5 per cent swing to Labor – a swing
which would snare Labor the front-line seats of Hasluck, Canning and Swan
if uniform.
Essential Research has Labor’s lead at 51-49 for the third week running
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/

Kevin still a Cliche King, Ashghebranious, Ash's to Ashes Blog
LauraTingle interjected saying that it was more than that Piers to which he
responded with:“I’m boiling it down to making it simple”and he gestured at
the camera.
http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com:80/2010/10/12/kevin-still-a-cliche-king/

This'll be interesting, Steve, Opinion Dominion
how indifferent he is to safety in that he wanted to be "embedded" with
Australian forces. This request speaks more of Abbott's self-aggrandizement
and poor judgment.*
http://opiniondominion.blogspot.com/

Hockey was economical with the truth: Lib poll costings never audited,
Peter Martin, SMH

The shadow Treasurer, Joe Hockey, was not telling the full story when he
said days before the election that the Coalition's costings had been
''audited'' by a big accountancy firm.
www.smh.com.au/.../...-audited-20101010-16e31.html

On Crikey, Gary Sauer Thompson, Public Opinion
I do find Crikey a little too precious these days. In spite of its proclaimed independence it is a part of the Canberra Press Gallery bubble,
http://www.sauer-thompson.com/

Crikey versus The Drum, Catallaxy Files
Eric Beecher has an interesting piece in The Australian today, with
an arresting turn of phrase.  He likened The Drum website to the ABC
tanks rolling up on his lawn.  
catallaxyfiles.com/.../

Wild rivers, intervention and Liberal Hypocrisy, Scott Foyster, Overland
a hypocrisy around a party that can rush legislation without any consultation whatsoever – legislation that overrides and suspends the Racial Discrimination
Act,
web.overland.org.au/.../

Establishment wants electoral reform - to make our system less democratic,
Jeremy Sear, An Onymous Lefty

News Ltd and their representatives in parliament, the Liberal/National Coalition,
are not big fans of the “hung parliament”.
http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/

Colonel Lightweight, Andrew Elder, Politically Homeless
No wonder Adelaide is "crumbling", with advocacy like this. The article reads
like a post-prandial rant:
andrewelder.blogspot.com/.../...nder-adelaide.html

Tony Abbott, the politics of Machiavellian bastardry, and one dimensional
views of Afghanistan, Dorothy Parker, Loon Pond

Abbott's visit did give The Australian a splendid opportunity to run an Abbott
'man of action' snap in its version of the story, Abbott takes aim at Julia Gillard over Afghan trip
loonpond.blogspot.com/.../...of-machiavellian.html

Water Plan will decimate Murrumbidgee frogs, Jennifer Marohasy, On Line Opinion
160 semitrailer loads of quality, fresh food ready for the supermarkets of
Australia leave the towns of Leeton and Griffith each day
www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=11089


NBN is about more than just money, Ilawarra Mercury
The Opposition would have you believe that is $43 billion being poured down
the drain, but having had the infrastructure contractors in our neighbourhood
these past few weeks, I can tell you that is anything but the case.

These people work hard and have made a major contribution to our local
economy - from renting houses, to patronising the shops and employing
local contractors for traffic control and other services. Our
neighbourhood bakery and takeaway shop have never had it so good.

That's not money down the drain. That's money into local pockets.

www.illawarramercury.com.au/.../1965516.aspx

lyn

October 12. 2010 09:21 AM

Ad astra reply

LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: www.thepoliticalsword.com/.../...-Daily-Links.aspx

Lyn
Many thanks for such a comprehensive collection of links.

Folks
I'm getting on the road now, heading south.  I'll be back this evening.

Ad astra reply

October 12. 2010 09:42 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Latest NBN story from Business Spectator:
www.businessspectator.com.au/.../Consumers-may-be-forced-to-sign-up-to-NBN-pd20101011-A5QTN

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 09:43 AM

George Pike

The following paragraph in todays Australian proves that news Ltd are just out to undermine the government through any lies they can think of.

"THE Gillard government and the key providers of the NBN are still working out how to ensure basic phone services to those people who do not sign up to it."

This has been discussed in public at length in Tasmania and the simple fact is that the ordinary phone services are going to be delivered via the nbn cable even if the owners do not want the broadband option. It costs exactly the same as it does now and it requires nothing more than existing phones and a battery pack if you want the phone to operate when the power is off...exactly the same as you need now if you have a cordless phone system, which most people have.

No doubt about these lying frauds at News Ltd..they really are a mindless thoughtless pack of thugs right to the core. The Loonpond link above led us to a very interesting post to Lyn, thanks very much for that one..and all the rest, you are a wonder!

George Pike

October 12. 2010 10:02 AM

George Pike

Read this and start worrying..this evil bastard has to be stopped before he takes over the world!
www.guardian.co.uk/.../sky-murdoch-takeover-bid-analysis

George Pike

October 12. 2010 10:39 AM

lyn

Hi George

Your pretty a wonder too, with all your fantastic comments, such a
great contributor to your's our blog, I enjoy every one you write.
  Thankyou George.

Go! Reb, Go!

The "bastard Victim" of the "Back Alley Bitch", Reb, Gutter Trash

But then humility has never been a Liberal party strong point.  However he desperately needs to find some new tactics as quite clearly his current strategy isn’t working and if his current trajectory is anything to go by it’s only a matter of time before he self-destructs.

http://guttertrash.wordpress.com:80/2010/10/12/the-bastard-victim-of-the-back-alley-bitch/

lyn

October 12. 2010 10:42 AM

TalkTurkey

HiHo Swordsfolk,
I been away in the Flinders, looking at my State Floral Emblems, the fantastickest flower of all, Sturt Desert Peas, BRILLIANT! No Optus Wireless of course, so I spent some time recording in feelgood verse the drama of the election. I really did it for you jj, hope you love it. heh heh.

The Maid Of Yarralumla

[A Parody on A.B. (Banjo) Paterson’s “The Man From Snowy River”]

There was panic in the parties as the poll results came down,
For Left and Right dead-heated on that day;
The Government’s survival stood on very slippery ground
And the hacks and experts all had heaps to say.
All the journalists and politicians came from near and far
To add their sound and fury to the fight,
And all you heard on ABC was Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
While the Murdoch Press screamed Right is Right is Right!  

There were Liberals like Joe Hockey, a fat and lazy blob,
Who had fallen at the first jump when he’d tried,
Malcolm Turnbull, once-and-wanna-be, and poor old Andrew Robb
While Phony Tony Abbott ran and lied.
There was an effete mincing poodle, known as Whining Chrissie Pyne,
Creepy Kevin Andrews, washed-out Warren Entsch;
Token female Julie Bishop, who thinks plagiarism fine;
That about exhausts the Liberals’ front bench.

They were confident of victory, and hubris they suffused,
And they claimed that they’d won power by a nose;
They squealed that they weren’t guilty of what Treasury accused:
Multi-Billion Dollar Holes, and things like those.
They claimed they had the better of the pan-Australian vote;
They called themselves the Government-in-Waiting;
They said they’d stop invasion of Australia by boat,
While the Media pitched in with Labor-baiting.

And on the Left was Kevin Rudd, who’d won the last time ’round,
But fallen at a hurdle months before,
With Wayne Swan on Economy, a stayer well-renowned,
And of Labor fancied runners, many more.
Stephen Smith, Nicola Roxon, Combet, Albanese, Crean,
The list was long of talents deep and broad:
They were clever and committed, and experienced and keen:
A well-matched team compared with Abbott’s horde.

And one was there, Our Ranga Lass, of feisty fighting breed,
Like a Queen Boadicea, well-advised,
Flashing wit and Gaelic glamour, with Crow-Eater in her creed,    
And Makybe Diva fire in her eyes.
She had led the charge for Labor, but she’d very nearly failed,
(Though equally, she’d very nearly won),
But Julia Gillard held her nerve while lesser beings quailed,
And stayed the course while Abbott made his run.

There was one Sandgroper National, a new bloke, Tony Crook,
And no-one really knew which way he’d vote,
But he seems so undetermined, even bookies won’t make book,
Though he’s travelling in the Coalition’s float.

Andrew Wilkie, (Independent), and young Adam Bandt, (a Green)
Pledged on certain terms to join with Gillard’s crew,
And not bring down the Government, for both of them were keen
Not to support a Coalition coup.
And the way that Gillard wooed them was a credit to them both,
From decent forthright dealings to a mutual binding oath;
So though Abbott now claimed 73, Gillard had 74 -
But she really needed 76 – She had to score two more!  

There were three more Independents, no-one knew how they might jump;  
Robert Oakeshott, Tony Windsor, and Bob Katter:
And the way the hurdles tumbled, all the Force was with that rump,
And the Fourth Estate was full of Twitter twatter.
Those three were ex-Nat mavericks, from effin’ FNQ,
Where brumbies weird as unicorns abound:
Would they jump together? - Left or Right? - Split 2-1? Or, 1-2?
This whole race was on entirely unknown ground!

Then from the Murdoch stables all the hustlers made their run:
They were breathing fire and brimstone every breath:
That Labor’s illegitimate, that Abbott’s mob had won,
And that any tryst with Brown and Greens was Death.

Bloated with his self-importance was conniving Laurie Oakes,
And Piers Ackermann, most bigoted of all,
And the first one to throw stones, that loathsome, hateful Alan Jones:
They’re three key bricks in the Murdochratic Wall.
There was Andrew “Anal” Bolt , and that Glenn Milne, the drunken thug,
Grabbing sleazily at any sleazy grab,
And that ABC lickspittle, Chris Uhlmann, smooth and smug,
And Annabel, the slyly-sidling Crabb.

There was sour Red Kez O’Brien, seemingly forever trying
To skewer Julia with some cunning stab;
And Tony “Look-Me” Jones, interrupting her in tones
That show he thinks he holds sole Royal Right of Gab.
There was Fran "Ms Jelly” Kelly, Michelle Grattan lacking teeth,
And Miss Trivia, Virginia Trioli,
And that smartarse Barrie Cassidy, with snide asides and acidy,
In ABC alliances unholy.

So Our Ranga Lass was targeted by jibes and sexist jokes:
Her Titian locks were tweaked, her finely-chiselled nose took pokes
From those of the moral wee-ness of a teensy flaccid penis –
And unkindest cut of all came from that wimp-out by Megalogenis!
Thus was Julia besieged: just Laura Tingle stood her friend,
And challenged Abbott on her comments page;    
In chivalry and courage she was loyal to the end:
The one fair Australian journo of The Age.

But still the Fascist minions, led by Phony Tony Abbott,
Went a-raging and a-fulminating on:
How they’d really won the Government, and they were gonna grab it,
Until many in the Left feared we were gone.

But while Abbott fumed and fretted, bumbling bully through and through,
Trying bribery and histrionic threats,
In attempts to win the Indies (and he needed at least two),
Julia Gillard was as subtle as it gets.
She was thoughtful, diplomatic, in conciliatory tone,
And the Indies saw that what she says she means,
Until even weird Bob Katter, mad as Alice’s mad Hatter,
Said he’d found some common values with the Greens!

So we waited, hopeful, fearful, as the weights were counted in:
Were we losers, were we winners? Would we wince, or would we grin?
We were hanging on the numbers, on the comments, on the hints -
If not a gleeful grin, then an excruciating wince!
But throughout 16 long days, while all us Aussies held our breath,
Our Ranga Lass ne’er wilted from the hate:
She fought to win the issue as if it were life or death:
It was grand to see that Lass negotiate!

But still, no-one knew the outcome, until on Day Seventeen,
When Bob Katter called a conference at one:
And when he did, he voted (as some said they had foreseen),
With Abbott – Just one more seat, we’d be done!
For the parties now were neck-and-neck, three-score-and-14 all:
The margin must be minimally thin;
If those last two Independents split, the Government must fall,
For Labor needed both of them to win.

Now all the weight of government was held in two men’s hands,
And never had the balance been so fine;
Would they take a national view, or yield to parish-pump demands?
We held our breath, and waited for a sign.
And at last just two hours later, those two last men made their move:
Our hearts in trepidation wildly throbbed:
One party would be jubilant, as winners they would prove,
While the losers all would scream that they was robbed!

First to speak was Tony Windsor, and he gave his solemn word
He’d faithfully support the Labor side;
Effectively he said that Tony Abbott was absurd -
The Coalition cause was now denied!
But that still left Robert Oakeshott: if he went the other way,
The parties would be deadlocked, which would mean
There would have to be a new election, and without delay,
The likes of which this land had never seen.

So still we waited, heart in mouth, while Oakeshott took his time
To explain in full his reasons for his vote;
Though the media was furious, as if it were a crime
They had to listen first before they wrote.
And seventeen minutes later, as the almanac will show
He gave Julia the seat she sorely craved;
And after all the arguments, at long last now we know: -
HOORAY! The Labor Government is SAVED!

Now up at Yarralumla, where the diplomats may raise
Their glasses of Chateau Lafitte on high,
Where the chandeliers of crystal through the frosty evenings blaze,
And the VIP jets streak the azure sky,
And where around the Parliament the votes of aye or nay
Decide the laws by which we must abide,
The Maid of Yarralumla holds the Vandal hordes at bay,
And we Lefties hail Our Ranga Lass with pride.




TalkTurkey

October 12. 2010 10:51 AM

Min

Ad astra, with indulgence for being off topic.  One of the Café readers Mark has put up a remarkable post concerning his personal battle with mental illness.  cafewhispers.wordpress.com/.../

Min

October 12. 2010 11:49 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

  Misogyny appears to be the byword of the Coalition at the present. Sadly. And not one Coalition woman MP speaks up against it. Gutless Wonders.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 11:50 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Talk Turkey,
            Brilliant! We are whupping Quadrant's ass in the Poetry Wars!

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 12:22 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

George Pike,
            Want to read something really scary?
http://mediamatters.org/research/201010110002

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 01:00 PM

D Mick Weir

HS @ 12:22,
whenever I come across stories like that I quietly thank John Winston Howard for his courage in doing the gun buyback thing.

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 01:44 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

'Slugger' Abbott "Won't go down without a fight", according to 'Their ABC' today.
Good grief.
Even if he has to lie through his Machiavellian teeth all the way down.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 01:57 PM

Patricia WA

Talk Turkey.  What a romp through those tumultuous days!  Accurate historically, metre spot on and rhymes  so apt.  Politically correct, too! Some might say biassed, but we know the best side won!   Well done!

Interesting, isn't it, that we don't get much satire from the right?  They're good at abuse but not humor.

Patricia WA

October 12. 2010 03:59 PM

D Mick Weir

A Grog I am not. I can't even pretend I could emulate him. However!

This jet lag thing is tiresome and I suspect that if Grog were writing he might say " .. both leaders are acting like petulant school kids, this is pure *hesaid/shesaid* drivel. Grow up both of you and get on with the real business of running the country"

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 04:12 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Christopher Pyne:
Manager of Opposition Bitchiness
Smile

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 04:14 PM

CALLIGULA

I took the time to google Mr. Abbott’s popularity rating a minute ago.
If, as one would expect, the leader of HM’s opposition comports himself in a certain way surely it would be on the advice of his peers and those professionals in his staff who can reasonably well predict the outcomes resultant of his conduct.
I believe he recently used terms like Macchiavellian and bastardry.

I may be a bit of a dim bulb but I reckon I can see the way things are going within the workings of two major political parties which are both a little distressed about the result of the last election.

The prime concern for both of them is how to reestablish the status quo that has been threatened by the election of some Greens and independents.

The big question is –
What might the timeservers do to distract Australians from all those promised initiatives and reforms mandated by the last election?

The Abbott solution -
Bluff, blether and bullshine all packaged up in a garbage bag labeled ‘aggressive opposition’.

The Gillard solution –
Sit tight and watch the fun.

The outcome –
All those abovementioned reforms and the decades long backlog of defective administration sits at the back of the range – not even kept warm on the proverbial backburner.

It could be easy to believe that all this is accidental. I’m sure that most Australians would see it as such because the conduct isn’t vastly different from what they’ve come to expect from our ‘chosen leaders’.

I’m more inclined to call it ‘macchiavellian’.
It might also be ‘bastardry’ but would have to add another word.
In my humble opinion what we have is collusion of a sort – stage managed to save the status quo and save the politicians from addressing what they damned well know is their duty.

CALLIGULA

October 12. 2010 04:15 PM

lyn

Hi D Mick Weir

I agree with you Mick, but I must say, I get annoyed at Julia Gillard
getting dumped into the same basket as Abbott,it's not fair, she didn't
start the sniping.

Abbott and his mouth before brain makes a stupid
statement, the media run  and ask Julia what she thinks about
Abbott said blah blah, so she comments, which she has too, then it
all turns around, she is in his basket of whatever you want to call
it, Oh! they say they are as bad as each other, then Abbott gets
of scott free again.

Not fair.

lyn

October 12. 2010 04:17 PM

D Mick Weir

HS @ 4:12
Good one Manager of Opposition Bitchiness
- and I suggest there are some in the liberal party who have a very warped sense of humour as they nominated him. What were they thinking/drinking/smoking?

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 04:35 PM

NormanK

D Mick Weir
Unless I've missed something it's more like "he said, she said, he said, he said, HE SAID, he said that she said, off to infinity. Either Abbott feels he can get some milage out of this or the dentist has hit a nerve. My money is on the latter.
One side of politics is verging on political anarchy. The Dept of Treasury is corrupt//politicised//inept all the way up to its Head. The Dept of Finance is politicised//inept. The elected government is illegitimate. The military leadership is inept//politicised//out of touch (after all the troops on the ground need tanks they can't use, helicopters we don't have and although they are coping quite well, they MIGHT need more equipment). "Our boys" told Tony all this because he's a man. "Don't you worry guys, I'll pull a few strings." Our military justice system is flawed because they are going to try 3 soldiers who may have committed a crime. What is Abbott calling for - immunity from prosecution for any Australian troops serving overseas?
Is there nothing Abbott & Co won't tear down to get to the Treasury Benches?
And what will they do if they get there? Sorry Treasury. Sorry Finance. Sorry Military. Everything is legitimate now.

NormanK

October 12. 2010 04:40 PM

CALLIGULA

I reckon a bloke in public office who calls the government spendthrift wastrels wouldn’t mind for one second agreeing to double up with the PM for such an expensive overseas jaunt as the recent Afghanistan junket.
In fact I’m inclined to phone 1800 703 599 and ask head office what the deal was exactly – since Ms Gillard seems to want to keep ‘mum’ about the subject.

Someone once suggested that not many in the US would buy a used car off Tricky Dickie Nixon.
AARRR, no. My brain hurts, my eyes water with the strain of thinking up an Oz-equivalent –
Australians, would you buy a used WHAT off this man?
Pushbike, lycra shorts, prophylactic, perhaps?

CALLIGULA

October 12. 2010 04:50 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

NormanK,
        Of course, if Tony Abbott ever gets to form a government he will do what Howard did, have a 'Night of the Long Knives', put in some faithful retainers as Public Service Department Heads, put everyone else on short-term 'Performance Based Contracts'(you perform the way we want you to or you're out of here), and all will be right with the Public Service again. That is, it will go back to not serving the Public but serving the Conservative government.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 04:53 PM

lyn

Hi Talk Turkey

Gee it's great to see you back, we missed you.

  Thankyou for your brilliant piece, you have provided, for our
enjoyment today, you are magic.

The Sturt Desert Pea, is I agree, a fascinating flower, marvellous
amazing work of nature.

lyn

October 12. 2010 05:24 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

I'd say to Mr Turnbull that it's exactly because Private Industry can't successfully implement large scale Infrastructure projects that makes it sensible for government to do the job, such as the NBN:
www.businessspectator.com.au/.../Libs-wont-rip-up-NBN-Turnbull-says-A6366

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 06:27 PM

George Pike

Great to see the PM treating Abbott with the contempt he deserves by stating that she will not add to his bitter twisted diatribe in any way shape or form. Note that Abbott only runs this bile on his mate Alan Jones' sham show on 2UE. He's still too cowardly to face someone like Kerry O'brien and make his childish allegations.

It is becoming obvious that Abbott is rapidly losing the plot. He is in Latham mode now....won't be long and he will become just another sad gloomy old shipwreck upon the shoals that riddle the stormy seas of the political world. He and Johnny will be able to share their sordid memories as they trot along on their early morning jaunts past Kirribilli House...

George Pike

October 12. 2010 06:45 PM

D Mick Weir

Fair call NormanK,
I guess I just got really peeved seeing another run at the 'saga' on the ABC News site:
www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/12/3035793.htm
- with comments, (76 & closed) that seemed to be mainly Liberal trolls spouting it's all a sinister machiavellian plot by the PM and the Labour trolls spouting TLoHMLO is a cry baby etc. etc. etc.

I had a brain snap - typed and saved without thinking!!!!!

The question is, I guess, is this really news? is it really worth the continued reporting? In the absence of any other 'stories' it MAY be worth it, but, FCOBL IMHO, this is old, old, old and boring.

More fool me for clicking on the story in the first place!!

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 06:59 PM

NormanK

D Mick Weir
I wasn't having a go at you - that doesn't come naturally to me. Rather, I was sharing Lyn's frustration that, given the evidence available to us, it is grossly unfair to describe this as a war of words which is what the TV news last night universally described it as being. Not much of a war when one side is barely loosing off a shot. I applaud the PM for staying away from exacerbating the situation by trading blows but others can decide whether it is politically wise.
I do despair over Abbott bringing the three soldiers into the political arena - there are procedures which need to be followed in order for the remainder of our troops to have any faith in the system. Abbott is undermining this faith, in this area as with so many others.

NormanK

October 12. 2010 07:38 PM

Jason

Acerbic Conehead
Any chance of another song about Abbott say to the tune of "Psycho killer" from talking heads? we can save Queens "another one bites the dust" for later or we could even have a rendition of "ain't no second prize" jimmy barnes?

Jason

October 12. 2010 07:40 PM

D Mick Weir

cheers NK
I took no offence but, as often happens, your comment caused me to rethink.

Agree that TLoHMLO bringing into the 'debate' the three soldiers is a worry and I can't for the life of me understand why any comment on the matter wouldn't be out of bounds. Leave it to the process started to do the inquiries, hear the evidence and let wiser heads prevail.

Seems the 'new paradigm' for TLoHMLO and the rest of his 'troops' is more about promoting fear, doubt and misunderstandings. Strange way to prove they are ready to govern in my book.

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 07:56 PM

D Mick Weir

A bit of amateur psychoanalysis here from a rank amateur in the field.
Various reports about our Tones after the 2007 loss suggested that he went into a complete funk, couldn’t understand why they lost and was at the point of giving up. A form of depression possibly?
Could it be that he can’t understand how they didn’t win and he is flailing around trying to figure it all out? His big problem this time around is that, as leader, he can’t run and hide this time.
Twice rejected by people who should ‘know’ that only his party are the rightful and legitimate rulers of this polity. Poor bugger, in different circumstances, one could find a (very) small bit sympathy for him.

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 08:28 PM

Jason

D Mick Wier,
           The subject of the soldiers should be out of bounds more so from Abbott as it was his government that set it up, If he has second thoughts about it now why did he as "Leader of the House" ram it through the parliament if as he says there are holes in it?

Jason

October 12. 2010 08:44 PM

D Mick Weir

Jason,
we can only guess. My pick is that some sniffing of the breeze is going on and there just may be a few votes in this. Seems more and more our Tones is but a reed being swayed by the breeze.

There is a disconnect that I can't find yet but with all the disappointments and more and more exposures of less than credible policies and costings Tones is clutching at straws hoping and hoping again that maybe he will find a staw to break the camels (governments) back.

Ouch, a bundle of mixed metaphors but that is the sense I get from the opposition at the moment a grab bag of mixed up just maybes.

D Mick Weir

October 12. 2010 08:50 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

D Mick Weir,
            I think you might be onto something there. Maybe Rambott has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? Nothing like being blown up in battle(ie the election), to bring on the Shell Shock.
   By the way, have you heard the latest line from the ever-productive and fertile imagination of our Dear Leader of the Government-In-Exile? He declared to Alan Jones, that he was our "Protector of all decent values". Hmmm. I heard it on SBS News at 6.30pm. They have Karen Middleton as their politcal journo and she always does her best to give Tony a big run. Sometimes, however, I don't think that is always the best policy if you're trying to help the Coalition along.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 09:00 PM

Jason

D Mick Weir,
           I agree, but it's not only on this issue, the MDA was set up under Howard and as far as I know was operating under the legislation that Howard gave it, now the draft report on the murray has come out Abbott et al say it's wrong, WTF! that aside how many other bits of legislation are we likely to see? that all because they had the power in both houses they just rammed things through because they could!
The Howard government was sloppy at best and for the opposition to now argue anything different well they must think we are fools!

Jason

October 12. 2010 09:07 PM

George Pike

Sad to see Heather Ewart, on the 7:30 Report, continue with the MSM's white wash of Abbott's childish immature rantings, while simultaneously trying to cast a level of guilt over the PM for being involved in the jibberish. That is especially foul, when Julia has never cast any unreasonable aspersions what so ever. Every statement from the PM has been in reply to journo's questions. We only ever get to see the comment as the actual preceeding question is something we rarely get to see in the soundbite coverage of the Labor government.

Abbott's lunatic ravings have, on the other had, been totally off the cuff and utterly  abominable to say the least...yet the journo's of this country continue with the News Ltd innuendo that has been contrived purely and simply for the purpose of casting aspersions over everyone BUT the guilty parties! Makes you wonder if there are any jounalists left out there who have any sense of decency what so ever running thier veins...they truly are a pack of yellow, cowardly, gutless rats...it really is as simple as that.

George Pike

October 12. 2010 09:15 PM

Jason

George,
      It struck me during the election campaign whilst the "media" were on their bus going from here to there. that if it crashed the only one who we would miss would be the bus driver, which hack would be missed?

Jason

October 12. 2010 09:21 PM

TalkTurkey

October 12. 2010 11:50 AM

Talk Turkey,
Brilliant! We are whupping Quadrant's ass in the Poetry Wars!

Hillbilly Skeleton

>>>Merci bien HS. TT



October 12. 2010 04:53 PM

Hi Talk Turkey
Gee it's great to see you back, we missed you.

>>>Feels good!


Thankyou for your brilliant piece, you have provided, for our
enjoyment today, you are magic.

>>> MAGIC Eh? What I've always wanted to be, and my very fave rave word! I love it that you love my verse.  

The Sturt Desert Pea, is I agree, a fascinating flower, marvellous
amazing work of nature.

>>> OHHHHHHHHH . . . ! Words don't get there. I wish everybody (jj included) could have seen one particular rugged escarpment ABLAZE with these FANTASTIC blooms. Each vertical spike has 5-7 scarlet-&-jet flowers like flames, they look like little magical sprites, with little hands crossed choir-boy-like demurely in front, and the shine on their black bosses look like big wide eyes so they look as though they are keeping watch all around with their little comrades . . . (check any photos, the exercise will delight.)  

lyn
October 12. 2010 01:57 PM


Talk Turkey.

What a romp through those tumultuous days! Accurate historically, metre spot on
and rhymes so apt. Politically correct, too!

>>>Yes . . . All that, I hope . . . but can you imagine my ever having had the heart to write this account had things come down t'other way round?

Some might say biassed, but we know the best side won! Well done!

>>> . . . BIASSED ? . . . ME??? I admit I was a bit gentle with Jones and them . . . But yes, I s'pose I'm prejudiced in being so sotto voce about excremental individuals like THEM . . . I'm just an old softie I guess . . . I should say something nasty about them I suppose . . .

Interesting, isn't it, that we don't get much satire from the right? They're good at abuse but not humor.

>>> Those Voices of Hate can't quite get their heads around humour . . . jj probably thinks I'm a hater, and I am too, I hate people being lied to and ripped off and done down by the privileged and powerful, but jj dear, truly, I don't hate you, probably no TPS witers do, but you gotta getta humanitarian attitude and admit matters of truth before anyone can love you all that much . . .
It's sad that satire has to reign so supreme when pure hilarity could be so much more fun, but that's the way the political world is, ya gotta bite rather than lick . . .    


Patricia WA


>>>>> HS, Lyn, Pat WA ("patois"?)
Thank you all very much, Am I right in thinking yous is all goyls? How coming this?  

I'm a bit obsessive-compulsive about rhyme and meter: I love English, Her vocab so huge, ways of arranging sentences so generous, She allows me to rhyme nearly anything I need to, and I love rhyming verse best of all. It condenses and crystallizes, focuses attention on germane points, and facilitates understanding by its ability to create emphasis where required. And it sets memory in concrete, I shall store this up where I don't bother doing that with prose much.
In this case I have tried really to record the entire story in truth and detail, because it was SO convoluted, so heart-stopping, so amazing, and so bloody important. Lest we forget the way things happened!

BTW I think its scansion is all sound, I hate it being at all wrong, but you sometimes have to say phrases through a couple of times to get the right emphases . . . I can't put stress marks on it and I can't do italics etc on this medium . . . Do yous have any probs with saying any bits of it aloud?

I would have like to mentioned more of the Labor talent but the list truly is long and impressive. Australia can count itself lucky. Burn your eyes Abbott.

Oh and did I miss giving anyone a serve that deserved it? I'd really regret that. Really, Tingle was the SOLE journo who was fearless and rigorous, isn't that AMAZING!?

Manager of Opposition Bitchiness, ha ha ha. Little Pooppie!

TalkTurkey

October 12. 2010 10:04 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

  I.Still.Miss.Grog. Frown

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 12. 2010 10:45 PM

lyn


Hi Everybody

Can't give you a link, the page has been pulled down

Abbott under fire on gun photo  
The Australian - ‎1 hour ago‎
TONY Abbott's office requested that the Defence Department "vet" video
images of the Liberal leader firing a Steyr assault rifle in Afghanistan, ...

lyn

October 12. 2010 10:57 PM

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Folks
We’re at Proserpine after a 600 Km drive from Cairns, slowed by road works and torrential rain.

Thank you all for your contributions that have kept the pot boiling during the day,  

It’s getting late so I won’t be able to address all your comments, but there’s a few I must.

Talk Turkey
Thank you for your brilliant latter day version of The Man from Snowy River: The Maid of Yarralumla.  You have a real talent for rhyming verse.  Thank you.

Min
Thank you for your link to Mark’s very touching story on Café Whispers.  We all should take note of what those who care for disturbed people suffer themselves.

George
Hillbilly Skeleton has addressed the anguish that you and NormanK and others have expressed at what you call ‘the Abbott’s ravings’ in a perceptive piece: We don’t know the meaning of ‘Wrong’! which I have readied for posting after arriving in Proserpine.  You will enjoy reading her analysis of Abbott’s and the Coalition’s media strategy.  To give the current piece a little longer, and to heighten your anticipation, I’ll leave posting her piece until after arriving in Yeppoon tomorrow afternoon.

It’s time now to say goodnight.

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October 13. 2010 07:44 AM

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Lyn
The page: Tony Abbott under fire over gun photo 'censorship' seems to operating again.  It was on my newspaper feed this morning.

www.theaustralian.com.au/.../story-fn59niix-1225937873405

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October 13. 2010 08:27 AM

George Pike

Lateline last night gave us a valuable insight towards the true intent behind Abbott's Wild Rivers Legislation maneauvers. The interview Leigh Sales had with Marandoo Yanner gave us an entirely different picture of the whole affair. Check out the transcript below to see how utterly duplicit Abbott and Pearson have been in their depiction of Aboriginal feeling towards the legislation. The overall summary would be that Pearson does NOT represent anywhere near the total population of the areas affected by the legislation...and that many of the Aboriginals do in fact support the vast bulk of the content within it.

www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s3036686.htm

It sounded very much like Pearson was given carte blanche to represent the people by the Howard government in exchange for giving miners and other corporate entities the right to extract resources etc without interference. Yanner makes it obvious that there are many Abroiginals who actually want a dividend from any mining activity on their lands. They also want a say in how and which areas are developed to ensure environmental and heritage concerns are not overridden.

Abbott has jumped on the bandwagon because he sees a political opportunity. Yanner gave us a clear point of evidence to that fact by stating that the Queensland opposition were 100% behind the WRL when it was introduced by Beattie, now they are fighting it tooth and nail for purely poltical reasons..i.e, making it look like they are the great saviours of Aboriginal rights when they are in fact exactly the opposite!

It would have been one big tick for LLine last night if it had not been for the worthless rendition of political affairs by Abbott's little bum-boy Hayden Cooper. He ran the same anti-Labor smear campaign that the MSM have been dutifully going on with for the past week or so, while simulataneously whitewashing Abott's incredibly immature and rancorous behaviour. Cooper is a dead loss to journalism, and Heather Ewart wasn't much better on the 7:30 Report either. You can nearly give an account of their summaries before they open their mouths they are becoming so predictable!

George Pike

October 13. 2010 09:02 AM

lyn

TODAY'S LINKS

Low - Level Bastardry, Andrew Elder, Politically Homeless
Abbott deepened his lack of understanding of the military by requesting to go
out on patrol. He's not trained, and he devalues the hard work and skill of
those who are by just assuming he can tag along and not get in anyone's way.
He's a greater danger to our troops than he is to the enemy
andrewelder.blogspot.com/.../...bbotts-excuse.html

Stay at home - an update, The Piping Shrike
Let’s be clear. The Liberals bizarre escalation of Gillard’s
“Machiavellian bastardry” comes from one reason; Abbott’s need to
shore up his internal position following the “jetlag” gaffe.
www.pipingshrike.com/.../...2%80%93-an-update.html

Abbott's Blunder, David Donovan, On Line Opinion
Abbott’s rashness, lack of judgment and propensity to fabricate leaves major
question marks over his suitability to be Australian Prime Minister. We may
have dodged a bullet when the Independents decided against siding with an
unpredictable Tony Abbott led Coalition.
www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=11081

Abbott's blunder, Wood's art, Independent Australia
Tony Abbott’s diplomatic blunder has the power to cause diplomatic tensions
between Australia and Britain.
www.independentaustralia.net/.../

Abbott & Pyne - slow learners, Massivespray, Spray of the Day
Watch the audit story sink without a trace while Julia gets front page
coverage for 3 days because she wears too much white…
http://sprayoftheday.wordpress.com/

When Chris Pyne says Kumbaya, I taste a little vomit in my mouth”,
Ashghebranious, Ash's to Ashes

Are these just simple coincidences? Or is
there a darker side to the Liberal Party strategy? And why was it important
to have Tony Abbott pictured firing a rifle?
ashghebranious.wordpress.com/.../%E2%80%9Cwhen-chris-pyne-says-kumbaya-i-taste-a-little-vomit-in-my-mouth%E2%80%9D

The Light on the Dill, Opinion Dominion
This is dangerous territory for a politician to tread into, but no doubt
his sense of opportunism again outweighed caution, and hey the soldier’s
let him shoot a Steyr over in Afghanistan last week, so I guess he owed them
opiniondominion.blogspot.com/.../...t-on-dill.html

Some free advice for Tony Abbott, 1petermcc's Blog
Tony has now dropped 10 points in the polling and it looks like predictions
of him sinking without a trace are proving to be true.
1petermcc.wordpress.com/.../

Now don't tell me - I bet he's a mate of James Massola!, North Coast Voices
"Andrew Marr, has dismissed bloggers as "inadequate, pimpled and single",
and citizen journalism as the "spewings and rantings of very drunk people
late at night".
northcoastvoices.blogspot.com/.../...-mate-of.html

Pyne's savage comments about the PM  have annoyed Abbott, Stephen Read,
Stroke of Luck

Pyne "The gutter mouth from the South" is using language totally
unbecoming of any politician.
www.goodluckstroke.com/.../...s-about-pm-have.html

CRIKEY IN CRISIS: Eric Beecher panics behind his paywall about being
squeezed out by the free and the ABC, Vex news
www.vexnews.com/.../crikey-in-crisis-eric-beecher-panics-behind-his-paywall-about-being-squeezed-out-by-the-free-and-the-abc

Guthrie: Rupert could be sharpening the shake-up knives, Andrew Cook
When you come into it from outside, at best it’s like a small-town mentality
… and at worst it’s almost like a secret society, if you’re not part of the
family,
www.crikey.com.au/.../

Crowdsourcing ideas for how Medicare Locals can engage their communities
Melissa Sweet, Croakey

The Federal Government has set a tough implementation schedule for its
health reforms, particularly as so many of the variables involved are
beyond its control.
blogs.crikey.com.au/.../

lyn

October 13. 2010 09:26 AM

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LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: www.thepoliticalsword.com/.../...-Daily-Links.aspx

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October 13. 2010 09:44 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Ha, ha, ha! That's the first spam I have ever agreed with 100%!       Smile
'That ConLib economics policy in full; "We're filthy rich, so sod the rest of you!"

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 13. 2010 10:20 AM

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HS
I’ve deleted the spam to which you referred, but it as it read: That ConLib economics policy in full; "We're filthy rich, so sod the rest of you!", I agree with your comment.

I’m reassured by your comment that Grog will definitely return.

Folks
Off now to Yeppoon. It’s raining, so maybe Yeppoon won’t look so good.  I’ll be back with you late this afternoon.

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October 13. 2010 10:42 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Wow! I just read in the Comments section of 'The Piping Shrike' that there is a rumour sweeping Hong Kong that Jiang Zemin has died. No wonder the Chinese were upset at the focus that has been pout on their country recently with the announcement of the Nobel Peace Prize going to Liu Xiabao. The Chinese hierarchy were about to make a big announcement of their own!

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 13. 2010 10:44 AM

Hillbilly Skeleton

AA,
   I just think Grog would be one proud 'Free Speech' advocate, and, as such, would find a way, by hook or by crook, or even with a new, more anonymous nom de plume, to launch himself back into the blogosphere.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 13. 2010 12:01 PM

George Pike

Things are looking grim for an ETS or carbon tax...looks like the people of the world are going to have to get used climate change no matter how bad the consequences.

www.nytimes.com/.../13leonhardt.html?_r=1&hp

George Pike

October 13. 2010 12:11 PM

TalkTurkey

Lyn
You are amazing finding all these links day by day, dunno how you do it. On behalf of all who benefit, sincere thanks.

Re the POOdle: It has always infuriated me that the Vandal hordes are allowed to say just about anything and then people dumbed down by Murdoch and encouraged not to discern will tell you "Politicians! They're all the bloody same, just in it for themselves . . ." They're NOT, I know some and they are top people. It may be that most of those who say that they're all rotten are Rotten Right themselves and find it impossible to conceive that many of those they so bag are in fact the most valuable public servants of all, with influence far beyond most of us and the determination to use it to the common good. Nobody's perfect, but there are many decent and trustworthy pollies, and after all they are just people, drawn from the community, it's not like they are a race apart . . . But when one mob is chucking pig ordure hand over fist in a confined space like the Parliament, (and the Right has an endless supply, since they are the source), everyone gets smothered with the same muck. Abbott and Pyne are superb producers, and Murdoch's minions are ever-better muckchuckers. We need a political shield as well!
  

TalkTurkey

October 13. 2010 01:22 PM

NormanK

So, what are we to make of the with-holding of video of Onan the Barbarian firing his weapon in Afghanistan? Could it be that some "wag" pinned a photo of Julia Gillard to the target? Or perhaps he missed by a country mile? Or didn't know where the safety catch was? Apropos somehow should that be the case.
Regardless, it can be fairly assumed that it was because it contained something unflattering to Abbott. Moving pictures of Onan with his weapon in his hand doing something manly would have been perfectly in keeping with his self-image and would have been widely distributed otherwise.
Thankfully, he is not getting good press out of this nonsense today.

Abbott guilty of inglorious bastardry during Afghan trip

....... by thrusting politics into prominence, Abbott demoted the real purpose of his visit to a secondary concern. Suddenly, Afghanistan seemed less important than the motives for being there or, indeed, for going there.

www.watoday.com.au/.../...trip-20101011-16g1x.html

Putative PM must wake up

Some inside the Coalition might start to wonder whether this is the beginning of the end for the Opposition Leader, despite the two-party-preferred vote sitting at 50-50.

www.theaustralian.com.au/.../story-e6frg6zo-1225937883765

Abbott, Pyne use the language of nasty bullies

Verbally abusing the Prime Minister and blaming her for making Abbott talk about "jet-lag" as his reason for not accompanying her to Afghanistan makes the opposition look like nasty bullies who can't accept responsibility for their own conduct.

www.theaustralian.com.au/.../story-e6frg6n6-1225937852227

Tony Abbott under fire over gun photo 'censorship'

The Defence Department did not indicate the pictures were a concern for operational or security reasons.

www.heraldsun.com.au/.../story-e6frf7l6-1225937989917

I realise most of you have probably already read these or have no wish to click on the Australian, but rubbing salt into the wound is common practice for those of us who celebrate bastardry in all its forms.

NormanK

October 13. 2010 01:48 PM

2353

Quote HS

I heard it on SBS News at 6.30pm. They have Karen Middleton as their politcal journo and she always does her best to give Tony a big run. Sometimes, however, I don't think that is always the best policy if you're trying to help the Coalition along.
Perhaps that is the intention - a couple of local media outlets wanted to get even with Bjelke-Petersen at some stage, so they played and printed his response to questions verbatim.  The result would have been laughable if it wasn't serious.  I think it was either the UQ radio station or Quentin Demster (then from ABC Queensland) who once asked Bjelke-Petersen a question something like 47 times before they got an answer.  While it wasn't the final nail in the coffin of the Queensland Nats under B-P, it certainly helped as the actions literally made him look like a goose.

2353

October 13. 2010 02:59 PM

lyn

Hi Everybody

Here is our friend Island View, Blogging Townsville

Island view is a poet too:

The Wanker Medal. Island View, Blogging Townsville
Clearly, I was wrong!  Rather, he's evidently going to do himself slowly.
bloggingtownsville.blogspot.com/.../...-medal.html

lyn

October 13. 2010 03:16 PM

lyn

Hi Talk Turkey

Thankyou for your nice remarks, I get very pleased when I get a compliment.

We birds of a feather stick together.

I agree with you re the poodle, isn't he just the most obnoxious
miserable Liberal, of them all. His pointless points of order
just get under my feathers, and to top it all off he thinks,
he is so funny, no-one could hurt the feelings there is none.

lyn

October 13. 2010 03:19 PM

TalkTurkey

                              The News:

Julia Gillard "showed her real self" during the Election Campaign (by her own words)

Tony Abbott is showing his REAL self NOW! - by his own words AND his ACTIONS.

                          That was The News.


                    This is just me, to you Tony Abbott:

I told you before Tony Abbott - yer goin down. Not just me says this. You had this coming. You done it to yerself. You won't be no Hindenburg though, no splendid flash, just a grubby old garbage bag blown up in Murdoch's artificial willy willy and now yer comin down, flat. Hope you come down over Howard's face.

                                                            OOOOOh that felt good.

See I really care about this country, and its flora and fauna, and its place in the world, and the world itself, and it is such as you, Tony Abbott, that fouls the whole thing up. You and yer sleazy mates, so we just gotta get rid of the likes of you. You make everything not work, and dirty, and you infect the People with your filthy habits. No more Mr Nice Guy for the likes of you, just GET OUT OF OUR FACE with your fool tantrums and take the whole Rotten Right with you. Labor and the Greens and Independendents don't have the answer to everything but they sure don't need the likes of you and Pyne and I'll never forget Reith. Ugh. Dirty rotten liars the lot of you. You think it's OK! Yous don't even deny it, you always had Murdoch, but nothing can save you now.
Liars.
LIARS!
Bloody LIARS!

I would be glad to see a proper Opposition, that's the only way this whole thing is supposed to work, but you are just spoilers and yobs. And LIARS!

Watch your figures Tony. Yer goin DOWN. And it won't even be Pyne that takes your place, the People won't wear a thing like him. It'll be Turnbull of course, poor bastard, I would run for my life from that job. But it won't be yours for long, anyway, Tony Abbott, cos like I tol you, yer goin down.

PS Yer Mincing Poodle Pooed on You today hey!

TalkTurkey

October 13. 2010 03:31 PM

lyn

Hi Norman K

Thankyou so much for the links, to the pitifull story of Abbott and
the gun, goes with his behaviour though:

Nearly wiped out on the Pacific Highway doing a photo shoot, lost
in woop, woop on a quad bike,
eating witchetty grubs, raiding the Police station in the middle of
the night, eating raw fish, driving mining trucks what are they
called D9's, surfing, running, biking, swimming.

I think the Liberal party are ashamed, that is why they won't allow
the photo shoots or video clips of Rabbit with the gun to be published.
I see Mark Reilly is complaining saying, that is censorship or something
like that.

Actually when you think about it, the photo's were taken by
a journalist and filmed by journalists, where is the honesty and duty
to the public in reporting now, I thought that was why Grog got outed,
in the public interest.

As Island view said, doing himself slowly.  

lyn

October 13. 2010 03:41 PM

lyn

Hi TalkTurkey

My comment 03:16 PM crossed over with your 3.19pm.

Your 3.19 comment might have felt good for you typing it, but it
sure felt better still for me  reading it.

lyn

October 13. 2010 04:30 PM

Hillbilly Skeleton

Hi guys,
        Re the photo of Abbott shooting off something other than his mouth. I imagine he had a crazed expression on his face, like he was imagining there was someone at the  receiving end of his bullets. As TA's minders probably know full well, the guy's a fruit loop. It was probably obvious from the photos. You know what they say about a picture says a thousand words.
   Anyway, I see he has stirred up another Hornet's nest with his incitement of the troops over the Military charges against "our boys". I heard Sabra Lane on ABCNews Radio saying that there are blogs that the military comment on that have had comments that were unrepeatable about this subject, she said. They were especially targeting the Military Prosecutor who laid the charges, and is a woman btw. Considering the sexist attitudes of the sportspeople in our country, as evidenced on Q&A on Monday night, and how the Military is also a redoubt of sexists high on testosterone, I wouldn't be surprised what low slurs were being directed her way.
   Of course they were being aided and abetted by the muck-raking and mischief-making Opposition Leader, who couldn't wait to add fuel to the fire by stating that the government had stabbed the soldiers who were charged in the back, and should have intervened to help them, against an independant Military Justice system that the Howard government set up, btw. What he fails to mention is that the actions of 'our boys' led to the deaths of 5 children.
   The man is a grub.

Hillbilly Skeleton

October 13. 2010 04:37 PM

Michael

Over at The Drum http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/40054.html the ABC seem to be trying to protect a Coalition spokes-goose in asking people to comment online, and (as of 4:33PM, that is, all day) not actually 'printing' any comment.

If you can wade through his 'it sure ain't paté coming out of this goose' article, this was my response posted early this morning:

"If the NBN was only about linking houses to a nationwide digital network, your argument might hold some water. Since it is also, and will in usage prove to be primarily, about commerce, health, education, and other infrastructural communications networks linking, your bucket's got a hole in it.

In fact, 'all hole no bucket' might be a more apt description."

Michael

October 13. 2010 04:41 PM

CALLIGULA

I sent this along to -
ashghebranious.wordpress.com/.../#respond
Trust you do not mind me copying it here?

I wrote it somewhere a little closer back to election night after hearing the politically conservative faithful chanting away back at the campaign bunker.
The others here at home were as impressed as was I.
There was TA giving a speech to his ‘fellow Australians’ (which meant somewhat over 50% of us were sweating, shivering and coming close to puking – displaying the same symptoms we were).

Now, don’t get me wrong. It wasn’t his WORDS producing the reaction since his posture of provisional victory was counter to the results and trends I was reading on the official electoral commission’s pages.
It wasn’t even the reaction of his peanut rush to his words – since they obviously couldn’t hear his words over the racket they were making.

Nope – what was making our flesh crawl was partly the smug overweening confidence of the man; but overwhelmingly disturbing was the chanting – TO-ny, TO-ny, TO-ny – so reminiscent of the guttural bellowing of support for another dangerous risk-taking carpet-chewer of past history – A-dolph, A-dolph, A-dolph !

While I can accept that a little levity on election night might be in order, I’m of the opinion I could hear in those voices the souls of those doing the bellowing.
Indeed they’re probably the same lot who send along such stuff as – “That ConLib economics policy in full; "We're filthy rich, so sod the rest of you!"”

As to the pikkie of Mr. Abbott plinking away with the Steyr; a couple of ways of assessing that –
Firstly, Oz-citizens aren’t allowed to play with such kit – not even the semi-auto civilian job.
Could he be hinting to the select that things might change (only for his select, of course) when he becomes Fuhrer?
Or is he giving visual proof that he has as much regard for that aspect of law as he does for his own word and signature on binding documents?
Or has he simply lost the plot?

It would be easy to assume that TA went to Afghanistan in order ‘to come to some understanding’ with our ‘Officer Class’.
Mein Fuhrer, sie sind der grosste feldherr aller Zeiten – said General Keitel to AH.
Which does no more than prove that even sober sided pragmatists go into lickspittle mode when they’re talking to the fruitcake who has their pension plan stashed away in his hip pocket.
But sorry, I reckon our people of Star Rank are a cut well above that sort of thing – amply demonstrated today by their public statements defining their insistence on maintaining justice and the rule of law.

CALLIGULA

October 13. 2010 05:48 PM

TalkTurkey

       RUDENESS CHALLENGE!

It's time to swish our Vorpal* Swords!
Slice and dice those Vandal hordes!
Fall in, Swordsfolk! Form a Phalange!
Take the VERBAL RUDENESS CHALLENGE!

Pick the pollies you think slimeballs,
Roll them into little rhymeballs!
With a wicked thrust of humour,
Exorcise their rotten tumour!


Here's my first entry (but it won't be my last, I got plenty of ammo.)

To what compare thee, Chrissie Pyne?
Don't want to insult no Swine . . .
Only something VERY rude'll do . . ? . .
Guess the best is Mincing Poodle-Do!

* "He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Longtime the manxsome foe he sought . . . "

(From Lewis Carroll's 'Jabberwocky')

TalkTurkey

October 13. 2010 06:10 PM

Jason

HS,
  Here is a picture of Abbott that the cartoonist got right
www.theaustralian.com.au/.../gallery-e6frg6zx-1111119668403

Jason

October 13. 2010 06:42 PM

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Folks
Thank you for keeping up the dialogue while we travelled from Proserpine to Yeppoon.  It's pretty windy here, but fine.

You will find a thought-provoking new piece by HillbillySkeleton We don't know the meaning of 'Wrong'!

Please read, analyse, digest and comment.  It may answer some of your deep concerns about 'Tony Abbott's ravings', that some of you mentioned yesterday.

I can’t get the link to work here, so just go to the latest post by opening TPS.

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