Forty-nine questions for Tony Abbott about global warming

As the mainstream media seems unwilling to, or incapable of asking Tony Abbott to explain his way of thinking about global warming, and more importantly explain his policies to combat it, let’s do so here. There are critically important questions that need answers if the electorate is to choose between Labor and the Coalition at the coming election. How can it vote without knowing?

First, let’s tease out where Abbott stands. Let’s not bother with Greg Hunt. Despite his expertise in environmental issues, his opinions are irrelevant as he slavishly follows everything Abbott says, and even if he doesn’t believe it, he has an array of weasel words to avoid disagreeing with his master. Abbott calls all the shots. Let’s not worry about Warren Truss with his bizarre statement that the recent bushfires have emitted as much CO2 as a decade of burning coal, or Barnaby Joyce either. The fact that the cost of a lamb roast is falling, rather than hiking to $100 as he predicted it would with the carbon tax, has cruelled what little credibility on climate change Barnaby ever had.

For starters, how can we know what Abbott really believes? Is it: ‘Climate change is crap.’ uttered at a meeting in Beaufort, an utterance subsequently airbrushed over with Abbott-speak? Is it: ‘Climate change is occurring, and mankind is contributing, but the extent is uncertain.’? Is it: ‘The science is highly contentious, to say the least.’? Is it: ‘If man-made CO2 was quite the villain that many of these people say it is, why hasn't there just been a steady increase [in temperature] starting in 1750, and moving in a linear way up the graph?’ Or is it: ‘It was hotter in Jesus’ days.’? We know he doesn’t accept responsibility for his spoken words, only for scripted, written ones. Has he written anything on the subject? Point us to it.

Is his willingness to publically associate himself with arch climate denier Lord Monckton a sign that he endorses Monckton’s views, or at least considers them credible?

So the questions for the man who wants to be PM begin:

Do you believe the evidence evinced by climate scientists that over many decades the global temperature has been, and still is increasing significantly?

Do you believe their evidence that this is due to the accumulation of greenhouse gases that trap heat near the earth’s surface?

Do you believe that human activity has been responsible for the scientifically-documented large increase in one of the greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, and that it has played a dominant role in global warming, as documented in 99.8% of around 14,000 peer-reviewed scientific papers on the subject over the past two decades?

Do you accept climate scientists’ evidence that unless the increase in global temperature is held to 2 degrees C, serious changes to climate will occur?

Do you accept the scientists’ evidence of the disastrous effects on climate, arable land, forests, oceans, coastal habitation, wildlife, human existence and social cohesion of still higher increases?

Do you accept the scientist’s evidence that the increasing number of extreme adverse weather events we are now experiencing: widespread bushfires and now tornados, record rain and flooding in Eastern Australia, are likely a manifestation of global warming, and that these will increase as global temperatures rise?

Where were you when Warren Truss made his grossly erroneous statements about the bushfires? Where was Greg Hunt?

What do you make of reports on global warming from the Federal Government Climate Commission, from Professor David Karoly, Professor of Meteorology and an ARC Federation Fellow in the School of Earth Sciences at the University of Melbourne, and from Bureau of Meteorology scientists: Neil Plummer et al writing in The Conversation?

How will you answer George Monbiot’s question in his January article in The Guardian: Heatwave: Australia's new weather demands a new politics: ”I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heat-wave now ravaging his country?”


Unless Abbott’s answers to these questions are affirmative, there is not much point in proceeding, as logically no action would be necessary. But as he has what is styled a Direct Action Plan to counter carbon emissions, can we presume his answers would be at least tentatively positive? Unless of course his Plan is simply an empty charade devised by a skeptic wanting to give the impression he is prepared to do something about climate change. Let’s give him the benefit of any doubt people may justifiably harbour.

He has pledged to repeal the carbon tax from the moment he is elected, should that happen. The Liberal website elaborately describes the steps in The Coalition's Plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax, even to the extent of a double dissolution of parliament, if he doesn’t get his way. His determined approach leads to the next questions:

As placing a price on carbon pollution is designed to penalize emitters and thereby reduce emissions, and also to encourage the use of renewable energy sources, and as the evidence is mounting that this is already occurring even in the seven months of the carbon tax (lower power usage and lower coal-generated power), do you believe that this trend towards lower emissions would continue after abolishing the carbon tax?

If the evidence is that abolishing the carbon tax will result in higher carbon pollution, how could you justify increasing pollution by this action?


Since part of the Coalition’s plan is that: “On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions.”, you may care to address some questions about your DAP, questions that the media seldom ask you to answer.

Since very few economists, and almost no environmentalists give your DAP any credence, how can you present it as a credible alternative to the Government’s carbon pricing arrangement which will lead to an emissions trading scheme that will operate in a world trading market?

What evidence do you have that paying polluters with taxpayer’s money to reduce their pollution will be more effective than penalizing them for their pollution as the carbon tax does? How can you know that your ‘carrot’ will be more effective than the ‘stick’?

Is it your intention, as Malcolm Turnbull has suggested, to present your DAP as an alternative that can easily be scrapped as its implementation turns out to be unfeasible? Did you engage climate skeptics Maurice Newman as business adviser, and Dick Warburton as carbon emissions adviser, to enable you to do this?


These are fundamental questions to which the electorate needs answers before it votes later this year. It needs to know whether to vote for the Labor scheme about which it knows, or for the Coalition’s DAP, which on the face of it looks like a Mickey Mouse scheme, although the cost is said to be $10.5 billion, the source of which has not been revealed.

As its centerpiece is the planting of some 20 millions trees to act as carbon sinks, please explain to us some of the details:

From where will the trees be sourced? What sort of trees?

How large an area will be needed to plant them?

As you have stated that semi-arable land would be used, since all the existing arable land is needed for farming food and fibre, where will you find the large amount of land you will need?

How will the trees be planted – can we presume your Green Army would do this?

How will you enlist the 15,000 members you say will comprise your Green Army?

How will you transport them to semi-arable locations, house them, and provision them?

How much will all this cost?

Has provision been made for this cost in your budget? Over what period?

Who will be the employer and provide occupational health and safety, benefits and insurance? How will the logistics of such a vast operation be managed?

Since you have heralded the abolition of the climate change department, what government department will oversee and administer the DAP?

How long will it take to plant 20 million trees?

Once planted, how will the trees be watered and nurtured until growth is well established in their semi-arable locations? At what ongoing cost?

How will you protect this vast forest against the destructive forces of bushfires, the devastation of which is contemporaneously apparent to us all?

Do you accept the scientific opinion that it will take around five years before trees can become worthwhile carbon sinks?

Under your DAP, what happens about reducing carbon pollution in the meantime?

As your Plan also involves sequestering carbon in soil in the form of biochar, how and where will char be produced, transported and buried in agricultural environments? At what cost?

What evidence do you have that this will be cost-effective, and that it will enhance the land? How long will it take to show a benefit?


You have been vehemently critical of the economic effects of placing a price on carbon, predicting that the costs of everything would go up and up and up, and that jobs, industries, and whole townships would be decimated. This leads to the next questions:

Is it true that every household would bear a cost of $1300 for your DAP, and receive no compensation, such as is in place right now?

If so, how can you justify this household cost of $1300, while criticizing the Government’s carbon price, for which most households are fully compensated?

Have you work-shopped how you will remove existing compensation from pensioners and families, as promised, and manage the disruption and resentment that move will inevitably precipitate?

Have you modeled the economic effects of the $1300 imposition?


While businessmen and industry leaders always wish for lower taxes, their yearning for certainty is very strong.

Have you work-shopped how they might react when over a year after the introduction of a price on carbon, during which they have taken action to reduce pollution and thereby the penalty they need to pay, and having invested in renewables, they find that they have to adjust to a new arrangement where there is no carbon price?

Have you considered the possibility that they may resent having to again adjust their plans?

Have you considered that having adjusted to a price on carbon they may be in harmony with its purpose, and not wish to go backwards?

Have you considered the possibility of a business backlash against your plans?

How do you explain the rapidly diminishing number of complaints to the ACCC about the carbon tax, now down to almost zero?


Forty-nine questions. Until the voters have answers to them, how can they compare what Abbott and the Coalition are offering to counter the existential threat of escalating global warming and all the consequences it will bring in its wake if it is not restricted to 2 degrees C, and the disastrous effects of greater increases?

Come on Mr Abbott, answer these pivotal questions – take us into the recesses of your mind where your thoughts about global warming swirl around.

Come on you journalists in the mainstream media – ask Mr Abbott these questions, and insist on cogent answers. Don’t avoid the questions, and don’t accept bland answers, obfuscation, devious answers, or weasel words? Don’t allow him to walk away when the questions get too hard. Do your job. He will not spontaneously give the electorate his answers; it is up to you to wheedle them out of him. So far, you have failed dismally. You have let us down disgracefully. Lift your game.

The Fourth Estate needs to take up the global warming cudgels, and if it continues to turn a blind eye, the Fifth Estate needs to shame it into action.


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3/02/2013Folks This is the first regular piece for 2013. After the record high temperatures we experienced across the continent in January, the widespread bushfires that caused loss of life, and so much destruction of homes and property, and the record floods that devastated the Eastern states, all extreme weather events that climate scientists attribute to global warming, I thought it appropriate to address global warming in this first piece. Warren Truss, Deputy Leader of the Coalition, made the dangerously wrong assertion that the bushfires had emitted more CO2 than had been emitted in a decade of coal burning; Greg Hunt, the Coalition spokesman on climate, remained mute; and Tony Abbott observed that the fires were disastrous, but said precious little else, certainly nothing about the climate scientists’ views, and their prediction that these extreme events will increase in frequency and intensity as the globe warms. The Greens agreed with the climate scientists, as did Labor, with the PM reminding us that Labor had taken decisive action to do its part to limit global warming to 2 degrees C by placing a price on carbon, and planning to move to an ETS in 2015. The scientists tell us that if strong action is not taken to slow down global warming, the global temperature could rise 4, or 5 or even 6 degrees C, which would have catastrophic effects on habitation on this planet. A skeptical Coalition has responded to global warming through its Direct Action Plan, which Tony Abbott styles a ‘real’ solution, but he has told us almost nothing about how it will work. In fact, we are still in the dark about what he and his Coalition really believe. Therefore, this piece directs forty-nine questions about global warming to our would-be PM, answers to which the electorate needs before voting on September 14. Your reaction to this piece will be welcome. If you agree that Tony Abbott ought to answer these questions, why not use the ‘Disseminate this post’ option to forward it to the pre-selected key politicians that are involved in climate change as part of their portfolio responsibilities.

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3/02/2013Folks You may have noticed that Web Monkey has added a TPS M@IL ‘button’ at the top of the left panel. It is provided for you, but also for those who visit here specifically to send an email to politicians or journalists, as we hope and expect many will, because it is so convenient. Therefore, it does not include the ‘Disseminate this post’ option. If you want to use this option, it is to be found on the shaded panel at the top and foot of the piece.

2353

3/02/2013AA well written and the "disseminate" feature seems to work well. It will be interesting to see if Abbott's office responds with anything more than platitudes. I did get an auto response from the Prime Minister's Office. "Thank you for your interest in corresponding with the Prime Minister, the email address Julia.gillard.mp@aph.gov.au is no longer an active address. To contact the Prime Minister please go to www.pm.gov.au and use the 'Contact the Prime Minister' facility." Congratulations on a wonderful start to 2013 - more power to the Sword!

Ad astra

3/02/20132353 I'm glad you enjoyed the piece and that the 'Disseminate this post' facility worked for you. I too got the same reply from the PM's office. We will try to work out if we can get around this.

DoodlePoodle

3/02/2013Great article AA. Hope that the message gets across. Lots of questions that the voters need answered before they can make an informed decision on which party deserves their vote.

Ad astra

3/02/2013Doodle Poodle Thank you for your comment. If only we could have Abbott's answers, no matter how paltry, but we can expect nothing at all except that his DAP is 'real' solution. So long as it 'real' that's all that matters.

2353

3/02/2013AA - I got a later auto response email thanking me for contacting the Prime Minister - so the email address may not be as dead as it claims to be (why am I thinking of Monty Python sketches as I type this?)

Truth Seeker

3/02/2013Ad, great post. :-) If the MSM start asking these questions along with the plethora of questions about Australians for Honest Politics, Ashby, Brough, Slipper, K Jackson and the list goes on and on, he will never formulate a policy as he will spend every waking moment running away! :-) :-) The problem is, it's a big IF, so I think it's up to us of the fighting fifth . Keep up the great work for 2013 Cheers :-) :-(

Ad astra

3/02/20132353 I haven't got the second response from the PM's office yet, but got auto responses from Adam Bandt and Rob Oakeshott. Truth Seeker Thank you for your comment. The Fifth Estate has a major job in 2013 jolting the Fourth Estate to keep on asking Abbott questions. If they can ask them of the PM and catch her attention, sometimes for an hour, why do they let Abbott walk away? I'm calling it a day.

Merlin Schreier

3/02/2013To my mind, the disagreement of Mr. Abbott to global warming is actually insignificant. What is really important is to realize the challenges we face with our current industry standards. We all should agree that the standards we follow are responsible for a lot of nature's devastation and we have to think how we can change our way of proceeding. If a heated argumentation about global warming is the correct starting point here is really just another thing. Global warming might exist - or not. Nevertheless we have to reconsider if burning coal for instance is the right choice to produce energy for the 21st century. On the other hand, if alternative energies really are a good idea for industrialized countries, is also not clear, since for example the efficiency of solar energy hugely depends on the geographical location, see e.g. the discussion http://www.problemsinelectrodynamics.com/blog/2013/disadvantages-of-solar-energy My point is just that if we stick with this whole "global warming" argument we are pretty much attackable which may hinder to make the transformation to a really sustainable developped world!

TalkTurkey

4/02/2013Two minutes to midnight (SA) and The Political Sword is off to a flying start to the new Political Year. Whoopee, at last, Game On as they say!

MWS

4/02/2013There is one important difference between the ETS and the "direct action" proposal. The ETS can be easily adapted to reduce emissions further - by reducing the number of permits, which will increase the price of the remaining permits. In contrast, direct action cannot possibly reduce emissions by more than 5% without using prime farmland for tree plantations. Burying carbon in soil is also limited, even if the international bodies accept this technique as acceptable (which they currently don't). A further question for Mr Abbott - how will direct action be modified to reduce carbon emissions further -sooner or later we will run out of land for tree planting!

TalkTurkey

4/02/2013Merlin Schreier: Shill For Hire.

TalkTurkey

4/02/2013Jan, On the last thread you posted the ABC article by @Watermelon_Man before I did, sorry about that, I found it linked to by KHTAGH on Twitter! We do get around now don't we! It's a terribly clear article about a clearly terrible situation. One man, Mark Scott, is at the rotten core of it all. Bacchus Thank you for reverting to my preferred Bacchus, it's a splendid Gravatar and it's all in its own square, not as so many are cropped out of meaning by the dumb operation of the Gravatar program. But now I have to ask, [i]What is the apparent creature draped around his neck?[/i] I'm sure if I knew Classics better I would know that. Maybe I'll try to find a reference to it myself! Ad astra So many questions of Abbortt! - but the pity of it is, in one sense they are all meaningless, because he will NEVER anwer them in any meaningful way. [i]But with the new Magic facility of TPS M@IL we can send those questions to all those other people![/i] That's where they will do some good! It's a wonderful tool Ad~&~WM, and I have the feeling that it might be in for a hiding in the next few months! The 49 questions are actually not directed at Abbortt at all. They concern matters of great moment, about which it is urgent that we make the Australian People aware. Aware that Abbortt and his cabal of Popish plotters have no understanding of the gigantic problems facing Life on Earth, nor any plan nor idea of addressing them, and no care whatsoever about the implications of their own cavalier attitude. They are just mad for power at any price. The era facing this precious little planet is unprecedented in every scary sense, and we don't get a dress rehearsal, we're in the play already, willy-nilly. By default and dereliction of the MainStream Media, We of the Fighting 5th Estate carry the responsibility of raising the alarm to all the sleepy people about all the issues raised in Ad's new thread.

lawriejay

4/02/2013All of the issues and the pertinent questions you raised for the MSM 'journalists' to pursue are as relevant as night and day, however, you have neglected to raise the most important matter for debate in this election campaign ie: Why is Julia Gillard wearing glasses? Ad. please don't fob me off with a wisecracking comment like ' she has sight defect/s requiring glasses - just don't - there has got to be more to this than meets the eye??

Gravel

4/02/2013Ad Astra What a great way to start the year. I expect you do know that none of this will be asked of abbott. It would mean the media actually doing their jobs. As we've seen the media in action this last week, we know they won't do anything that is going to be informative or unbiased. I am amazed at the latest polls. What with the horrendous flooding that has taken our LadyInRed out of action, the devastating fires, where fortunately not many people lost their lives, I would have thought people would have put two and two together and realise these extreme weather events are becoming a year to year thing, as opposed to a 100 yearly event. Janice On the last thread can I echo Ad Astra's agreement with your comments. James Adelaide I really enjoyed reading your comments on the last thread. You must have good stamina to wade through a lot of those comments. I usually give up on the first dozen or so and they seem to get repetitive. I do have to say that most of us here know that no matter what Labor do it will be reported as bad. No matter what media management is charge, there is no main stream way of fighting the MSM, the only weapon we have is the 5th estate. We may not be successful this year, but by the time of the following election, we will have built up a much better following and then maybe we will have a chance.

janice

4/02/2013Good morning all. Exciting goings on at TPS with the new tool enabled. Thanks to Ad astra and Web Monkey for a wonderful innovation. lawriejay, You ask why the PM is now wearing glasses. Well, I haven't asked her but I would say that her eyes have become sensitive to contact lens which she used beforehand. I don't know if anyone else has noticed but I have observed that she appeared to be more sensitive to light and her 'curtains' (eyelids) were always half closed. So, her glasses are NOT a ploy to improve her appearance like Abbott's botox and hair colouring treatments, but a necessity for eye comfort.

Lyn

4/02/2013TODAY’S LINKS But enough about you let's talk about Tony @awelder Abbott is the most vain Liberal leader since Andrew Peacock http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/but-enough-about-you-lets-talk-about.html Ministerial retirements nothing more than pre-election housekeeping @AusVotes2013 rarely any shock involved in such decisions. http://ausvotes2013.com/ Howard’s Golden Years by @MigloCW the Prime Minister could even wear glasses. http://theaimn.com/2013/02/03/howards-golden-years/ EXCLUSIVE: Steve Lewis Why the Ashby judgement killed the story. by @margokingston1, conversation with my former press gallery colleague http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/exclusive-steve-lewis-why-the-ashby-judgement-killed-the-story/ Pyne’s barking at Gillard, fawning for Brough @margokingston1 Labor Government resignations http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/pynes-barking-at-gillard-fawning-for-brough/ is social media starting to bite? @MigloCW Their reach is enormous. Is it possible that http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/open-forum-is-social-media-starting-to-bite/ House Members Retiring at the 2013 Election @AntonyGreenABC, There are seven Coalition members departing http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2013/02/house-members-retiring-at-the-2013-election.html Australia’s CSG industry no longer such a gas by Sandi Keane , @Jarrapin gas industry faces a deeply uncertain future http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/independent-australia-journal/investigations/australias-csg-industry-is-no-longer-such-a-gas/ Election 2013 Busted by the Myth Busting Bison’s @Thefinnigans http://www.thefinnigans.blogspot.com.au/ Hating the Truth by @archiearchive They remind us of wrongs we would rather ignore http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/hating-the-truth/ Steering the ABC Titanic by David Horton, @watermelon_man, obligatory use of the phrase “Tony Abbott says”, http://davidhortonsblog.com/2013/02/03/steering-the-abc-titanic/ Pyne likens Government disarray to Hitler film Downfall, a movie about the collapse of Hitler's Third Reich. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-03/pyne-likens-government-disarray-to-hitler-film/4498268 Federal Attorney-General, Mark Dreyfus, says opposition remarks comparing the Gillard government to the Nazis are "immature and offensive". http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1733179 Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 4 February 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

Lyn

4/02/2013Good Morning Ad and Everybody, Ad would you mind deleting my first post please, the Gravatar people didn't like me being on holidays. Hello everyone, gee it feels good to be back home, been flying around aimlessly for too long I think. How wonderful all our commenters are, thankyou everyone for your valued loyal support to Ad Astra and TPS over the break. I have missed you all. :):):)

janice

4/02/2013Good morning Lyn. It is just lovely to see our Tweety Bird gracing TPS pages again. I do hope you had a relaxing break and have all your feathers preened and ready for the battle ahead.

Truth Seeker

4/02/2013Hi Lyn, great to see you back. :-) Hope those gorgeous tweety eyes got some well deserved rest, over the break and are back to their best! :-) :-) Cheers :-) :-)

2353

4/02/2013Welcome back Lyn. We missed you but did see your guiding light at times over the past few months.

Pappinbarra Fox

4/02/2013The folloing chat on the Elder Blog fits here: So apologies if I am breaking any rules here by reposting it- [quote]Anonymous3/2/13 8:33 pm Yeah yeah heard it before in about '86 when we were told nobody would seriously vote for "little Johnny" as PM. How'd that one work out again? ReplyDelete RepliesAndrew Elder3/2/13 9:02 pm The first election I voted in was 1987, and I was a comically active Young Liberal at the time. Turns out Howard didn't win that one, actually. Let's work through the differences: * Howard was a successful lawyer before entering parliament. Abbott had done a bit of this and a bit of that but had succeeded at nothing. * Even people who hated Howard, like Keating, believed that he actually gave a damn about other people and represented a legitimate political interest. Abbott is only in it for himself. * Howard never pretended to be something he wasn't; people mocked him for it, but he stayed true and attracted respect. Abbott pretends to be something he's not every day, and he loses respect. * Howard led a life of responsibility so straight in his youth that he was accused of being boring. Abbott's youth was so reckless that his father spent a fortune on lawyers to keep the boy out of prison. One of those men is still disdainful of others' property, rule of law etc.; can you guess which? * Abbott said that he wished he was half the man Howard was. Howard never argued the reverse. Back in the day, did you hear that Kim Beazley and Mark Latham were each going to be PM? I did. How'd that work out again? Delete rhwombat3/2/13 9:10 pm That's right Antonymous, keep that right hand moving. [/quote]

Ad astra

4/02/2013Hi Lyn Welcome back to the pages of [i]The Political Sword[/i]. What a delight it is to see your Tweety Bird Gravatar again. I hope you have had a relaxing break - there is a busy year ahead. I'll look through your links during the morning.

Bacchus

4/02/2013Yes it is nice to see the bright avatar of Lyn back at TPS! TT, if you're going to look into my avatar further, I should advise that it is actually Silenus, Bacchus' friend and mentor, or in some texts, Bacchus' foster father...

Ken

4/02/2013Ad Good questions and glad to see M@Il is operating as planned. But as an ex Public Servant who answered many Ministerials let me just say what you can expect. If, say, everyone here on TPS mailed the comments, that would see the politicians receiving so many "letters/mails" that the offices (or Public Servants) would prepare a "standard reply". Such standard replies usually just state/restate policies and/or public announcements on the issue and do not otherwise directly address the issues raised - in other words, they just address the broad issue and say this is what we are doing. So, in that regard, don't expect a substantive answer. The positive outcome, however, is that, despite a standard reply being given, the matters raised will remain on the radar and can influence future approaches. Sending these questions to selected journos may also be a benefit so that, even if they first ignore them, it will have a back of mind influence that may eventually lead to questions actually being asked of Abbott. A PS on the previous thread: Ad, Janice, Lady in Red et al who commented on my argument about the sequence of the election and retirements announcements. I agree with all the points you made but you have missed my main point. But that is done and dusted and I will now let it go through to the keeper.

Tom of Melbourne

4/02/2013And in the interests of balance, let’s pose just a few questions for Gillard- • Why do we have a carbon tax, when you specifically committed that we wouldn’t? • When you said you would spend this term ‘building community consensus”, what steps did you take to achieve this before announcing the carbon tax? • You committed to introducing the policy no earlier than June 2013, why did you break your commitment and introduce the change a full year earlier? • You committed to a community forum to support consensus building, why did you neglect this? • When you knifed Rudd, you said the government had “lost its way” and nominated 3 policy areas as needing correction. Which have you successfully achieved? • Did you urge Rudd to abandon the CPRS while he was PM?

Patriciawa

4/02/2013Good Morning and welcome back, Lyn. I've just woken up and there you are, with Tweety Bird, up and at it with your old crowd around you already! How I've missed you! You've put lots of post-breakfast reading there for when Tacker and I get back. No more long lazy starts to the day. The children will be passing on the way to school too. And Parliament starts again today! Not that PMJG hasn't been long back running rings around the Opposition and the media.

Ad astra

4/02/2013Hi Lyn Your links make good reading. The Front Pages indicate how the MSM is going to play the next seven months – anti-Government, pro-Coalition, gross distortion of the facts, cherry picking, and unwillingness to challenge Tony Abbott and his ‘policies’. Although PM Gillard is fighting on two fronts, she is up to the challenge.

Jason

4/02/2013ToM, Also in the interest of balance could you include "She doesn’t deserve the job, and I’ll continue to vote informal. So should anyone who believes in political integrity over political duplicity." http://theaimn.com/2013/01/31/now-is-the-time/

Ad astra

4/02/2013Ken You may well be right about the response that will come from politicians who receive emails from [i]TPS[/i] users via TPS M@IL. The strategy behind TPS M@IL is to inform politicians, and journalists, of the views of the voters. It will rely on the constancy of the impact, like a boxer peppering his opponent with short sharp jabs, not looking for a knockout, but a steady wearing down. Even the most belligerently inclined politician or journalist is susceptible to what others think and feel. It seeps gradually into their consciousness. That is why we must be constant in our efforts, never retreat, never give up.

TalkTurkey

4/02/2013Lyn said [i]I have missed you all.[/i] G'wan Lyn! You miss NIX! Gotta get your daily fix! Flitting round the Sociosphere Dropping feathers there - and [i]here![/i] But it's a joy to see you back In your nest on Lighthouse Hill - Ready for our last attack For we MUST win this - And WE WILL! [i][b]VENCEREMOS![/b][/i]

LadyInRed

4/02/2013Thanks Ad for the questions to ask TAbbott. I sent to my local member Truss as well. Scary thought delving into the recesses of Action Abbott's mind.....shudder..... Hi Lyn! Lovely to see your pretty feathers again. I hope the heat didn't get to you too much. I put lots of water out for the birds during the heat wave. It was such a joy to watch them bathe and drink. 6 little finches all in the bath at once, with another dozen waiting in the wings, is delightful to see. Great links as always. And Jan did a fantastic job as did DMW while you were away. oooooh I just got all the automated replies from Bandt, Oakshot, the PM etc.

MWS

4/02/2013The people who insist on discussing the PM's glasses: # The PM has worn contact lens for many years # As people get older (especially at the age that Julia Gillard is now), they often become long-sighted and so require multifocal lens/glasses or reading glasses (Tony Abbott wears reading glasses). # Multifocal contact lens can be difficult to get used to, and are not the solution for many people. # The PM may be suffering from "dry eye" or another problem that means she can't wear contacts at the moment. Why does it matter whether the PM wears glasses or not? As long as she can read and comprehend what she reads (unlike Tony Abbott and BHP press releases) I don't care.

Tom of Melbourne

4/02/2013Thanks for linking that very intelligent piece of analysis Jason.

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4/02/2013Jason Thanks for the link to [i]The Australian Independent Media Network[/i] piece. It is good reading.

MWS

4/02/2013Bushfire Bill on the past week in politics: [quote]When the media get it so wrong they tend to ascribe events to “Act Of God” status, for which (of course) they cannot be held accountable. To cover their embarrassment they then go all out to regain what they see as their rightful position as mentors to the nation, setters of the agenda and all round political savants by inventing an over-arching narrative to “explain”, to provide “context” to what has happened… as long as it ends up with them not looking like the gooses they are. So, they take a fairly rational, reasonable decision by two ministers to bow out and beat it up into a frenzy of leadershit, crisis and turmoil.[/quote] http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/02/02/2-february-2013-cabinet-reshuffle/comment-page-6/#comment-14595

Sir Ian Crisp

4/02/2013[quote][i]janice As is so often the case, I agree with you. As James Adelaide hints, the punters are waking up. Treating them like mugs, as has been the case for so long, has its limits. The limits have now been reached. No one likes to be regarded as a mug - once realised, the reaction is savage. Ad astra [/i][/quote] [quote][b]Take Heart Fellow comment-er’s. I detect a seismic shift. I believe we are at the tipping point in the propaganda campaign and that the Australian people are now fed up, aware of the bias and angry at the media. [...] Conclusion: I believe that we are at the tipping point when the voting population spits the dummy and revolts against the propaganda campaign. James Adelaide [/b][/quote] Yes James and AA, there is a seismic shift happening. The latest Newspoll must be worrying to the ALP fan club. Should the results of the poll remain static the ALP may be no more than a charnel-house later this year.

LadyInRed

4/02/2013I tweeted this article as well. @TonyAbbottMHR Take us into the recesses of your mind (scary thought) Tell us your thoughts on tackling global warming thepoliticalsword.com Some other beauties: 2m Zac Spitzer ‏@zackster Breaking: Gillard outlasts Grattan #auspol Glengyron ‏@glengyron Another blow to Julia Gillard as long-time-supporter Michelle Gratin quits The Age.

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

4/02/2013 Morning peeps, and welcome back gorgeous little yellow bird :-). Some Twitterstuff. [b]What Twitter is saying:[/b] [i]Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk[/i] Post "chaotic" weekend; poll "disaster", election betting odds unchanged. Mr Abbott still very likely to win, but no more so than last week [i]Mr Denmore ‏@MrDenmore[/i] Fit facts to chosen narrative; create desired public perception; poll public; fashion 'news' from poll; repeat till government changes. [i]Jo ‏@jot_au[/i] @felft I dont believe it...polls another msm tool to scare people into voting LNP [i]Think Big ‏@Thought4rce[/i] We are no longer living in a democracy but in an Orwellian nightmare. Our media is no longer just biased but also corrupt. #nswpol #auspol [i]Barry Tucker ‏@btckr[/i] Fran Kelly talking garbage on RN, telling Simon Crean how to rearrange Cabinet and when to announce it. [i]Barry Tucker ‏@btckr[/i] My RT: Simon Crean on ABC RN: Compare Newspoll to Galaxy - "Poles apart polls." [i]TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 ‏@Thefinnigans[/i] Well who would have thunk that - #TheirABC superlatives are in overdrive this morning with slump, dump, rump, glum, romp, bomb, plunge [i]Ashley Leahy ‏@AshleyLeahy[/i] According to Galaxy, which was fielded during newspoll, ALP is assured a slight recovery next poll release. #auspol [i]Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk[/i] AUD 1.0425; ASX likely up a further 0.5% or so today: RBA meeting tomorrow will leave rates steady as economy shows signs of pick up [i]Peter Johnstone ‏@sem4peter[/i] Fran Kelly has the audacity to presume she knows what the PM should have been thinking when planning a reshuffle. @RNBreakfast [i]Jo ‏@jot_au[/i] The only reason the press gallery "like Tony" is because he creates the drama they thrive on. Good government is so boring. [i]Bill ‏@Billablog[/i] Dear @AustralianLabor: You're not pushing back against the lies. You need a 'truth team' a-la the Obama campaign. You're welcome. [i]Solomon Les Hunter ‏@SolLesHunter[/i] @BreakfastNews Re @FinancialReview pieces what about Fridays article by Tony Walker re lnp Sen Sinodinos & Australian Water Holdings #Auspol [i]Nancy Cato ‏@nancycato1[/i] @markjs1 : Mr Howard taught well the climate of Fear. Make people Uncertain, they'll follow you. Put Doubt into minds about all that is Good James Massola ‏@jamesmassola Wow. Michelle Grattan is joining Uni Canberra as a professorial fellow and The Conversation as Assoc Ed & Chief Political Correspondent [i]Darryl Snow ‏@lapuntadelfin[/i] Media in chaos. Grattan leaves media edifice dangerously unstable. Van Onselen counting numbers. [i]Anthony Bieniak ‏@Bienie[/i] Let's be clear, Coalition's announcement this morning breaks international law. Whether they agree with the law or not, must be followed. [i]david ewart ‏@davidbewart[/i] Julie Bishop has given a misleading account of her meeting with Tamil representatives her visit to Sri Lanka, a Tamil MP who spoke to her . [i]Zac Spitzer ‏@zackster[/i] Grattan resigns from #fairfax, share prices recovers 15% #auspol [i]Julius Flywheel ‏@JuliusFlywheel[/i] RT @asunderland: Clarke & Dawe back Thursday at new time of 6.56pm. The new lead in to 7pm News. Bigger audience still online&brekky [i]Chris Ogilvie ‏@ChrisOgilvieSnr[/i] Breaking: A liberal party 'press release' is joining the University of Canberra as a professorial fellow #doctorpamphlet @btckr [b]What twitter is reading:[/b] [i]Chris Dubrow ‏@chrisdubrow[/i] Oh yes @1RossGittins explains why voters think economy is in trouble, and blames 'political' journos http://www.smh.com.au/business/-2dsgp.html … [i]Ross Bowler ‏@BowlerBarrister[/i] Nothing surprising about the deception perpetrated by the police in the Craig Thomson arrest http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/police-admit-to-errors-over-thomson-arrest/story-fn59niix-1226568163718 … @Sollygc @OverTheHill4 [i]Arioch ‏@the_LoungeFly[/i] Right wing #lnp extremist in federal parliament #auspol #ausvotes http://www.theglobalmail.org/mobile/feature/if-you-like-sarah-palin-youll-absolutely-love-cory-bernardi/390/ … [i]The Piping Shrike ‏@Piping_Shrike[/i] Labor goes to the election facing backwards http://bit.ly/Vxw9dM [i]Barry Tucker ‏@btckr[/i] Galaxy poll done for Tele; Tele headline at odds with result!! See 5th para: http://bit.ly/UP8PuY [i]Phil Lynch ‏@PhilALynch[/i] Powerful piece from fabulous @graemeinnes on importance of public transport accessibility for people with disability http://ow.ly/1RQbjL [i]Ken Sekiya ‏@ki_sekiya[/i] Climate change and Australia's weather on steroids - Eureka Street http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=34861 … #auspol [i]The Hoopla ‏@TheHoopla[/i] Our politicians are public servants, reminds @wendy_harmer. We should treat them as politicians, not as celebrities. http://bit.ly/Y3ETIZ [i]Henny Penny ‏@penny_henny[/i] Here we go again. Vanstone story designed to destabilize. Watch as @BreakfastNews & @RNBreakfast regurgitate. #auspol http://m.sbs.com.au/news/#article1733323_Poll-could-give-Rudd-a-chance-Vanstone … [i]Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk[/i] Turmoil in the Liberal Party? Chaos? http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/sesleja-to-challenge-humphries-for-act-senate-seat-20130204-2dt5t.html … [i]Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk[/i] Very simple reasons for the bond market getting smashed: 2013 will be a strong year http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/stock-markets-interest-rates-jobs-shares-growth-pd20130204-4KMJU?OpenDocument&src=sph&src=rot … [i]Michael Jongen ‏@Larrydlibrarian[/i] Read Nate Silver and discover why polls so far out are rarely an accurate reflection of and election result http://scribepublications.com.au/news-and-events/post/why-nate-silver-counts/ … [i]Bushfire ‏@BushfireBill[/i] Newspoll is now the town drunk of polls. It's more of a hindrance to #auspol than a help http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/02/02/2-february-2013-cabinet-reshuffle/comment-page-6/#comment-14595 … [i]IndependentAustralia ‏@independentaus[/i] Today, two journalists who exposed RBA corruption will be forced into court to try to make them reveal their sources. http://fb.me/13KrRxBH4 [i]Geoff Pearson ‏@GCobber99[/i] Bishop under fire for Sri Lanka asylum seeker plan http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-02/bowen-slams-coalition-plan-to-deport-sri-lankan-asylum-seekers/4238958 … @abcnews [i]Climate Commission ‏@ClimateComm[/i] University of Adelaide report: most extreme rainfall events is increasing across the globe as temp rises http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news58961.html … [i]Geoff Pearson ‏@GCobber99[/i] Bishop’s Sri Lankan Asylum Seeker Deal Is Illegal http://newmatilda.com/2012/09/05/bishops-sri-lankan-asylum-seeker-deal-illegal … [i]SBS News ‏@SBSNews[/i] Labor MPs 'confident Labor can win' despite two new opinion polls http://bit.ly/11yF59L [i]Mark Colvin ‏@Colvinius[/i] RT @ConversationEDU: $53 million in donations to political parties and we have no idea where it's spent @BraveNewJen http://bit.ly/XR5PLs [i]Denise Allen ‏@denniallen [/i] Morgan poll January 30 2103 (this polling company doesnt have an agenda)... http://fb.me/2qV3uJpRC [i]Bromide West ‏@bromideW[/i] insightful Observer editorial on wealth disparity is applicable to any modern capitalist economy http://gu.com/p/3dgdn via @guardian [i]Crikey.com.au ‏@crikey_news[/i] Michelle Grattan will join ranks of academia & write for @ConversationEDU. What does that mean for her post at @TheAge? http://bit.ly/WQOplr [i]margo kingston ‏@margokingston1[/i] Our Paper's page 1 lead now Why voters believe the economy is in trouble http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-voters-believe-the-economy-is-in-trouble-20130203-2dsgp.html …, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/margokingston1 [i]I'm with Julia ‏@ThumpersAunt[/i] Absolutelutely Brilliant! Space Kidette's Satellite News Network: Confessions of a News Junkie or Bye, Bye, Outdated... http://spacekidette.blogspot.com/2013/02/confessions-of-news-junkie-or-bye-bye_3.html?spref=tw … [i]The Conversation ‏@ConversationEDU[/i] Natasha Cica of @UTAS_ asks does Tasmania need an intervention?http://bit.ly/UQbGDL

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4/02/2013Merlin Schreier Are you the ‘Merlin’ that joined [i]TPS[/i] in 2011; if not, welcome to [i]The Political Sword[/i] family and for your comment. Do come again. TT Thank you for your ever-present support. I hope you will make good use of TPS M@IL. I know there will be no response from the Abbott camp to the forty-nine questions about global warming, but we can hope that others, particularly the better calibre journalists that do still exist, might be alerted to ask them of Abbott, or his colleagues. lawriejay With Julia Gillard’s new glasses on display, is there anything that can match that for political intrigue? Everything else pales into insignificance. Gravel Thank you for your comment. We can expect no response from the Coalition; it is an exercise in awareness-raising among those who have the capacity to insist on answers – our MSM. janice I hope you will find TPS M@IL useful. If we all use this new tool, it may have an impact, perhaps more that we realize. LadyinRed I’m glad you sent it to Warren Truss as your local member. It was he who made the stupid statement that the bushfires may have produced more CO2 than a decade of coal burning, a demonstrably incorrect assertion.

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4/02/2013MWS BB is incisive a usual. I enjoyed his take on our ‘always-in-tune-with-the-political-environment’ MSM journalists: [i]What happened [last week] was that the media was proved to have taken its eye off the ball and mostly got it wrong. * They didn’t see the announcement of the election date coming. * They didn’t like Gillard’s glasses (for Christ’s sake!) * They didn’t have an inkling of the resignations. * Except for a few in the loop, they didn’t latch onto the Thomson arrest. * Nova Peris came out of nowhere. * Ditto Rob McClelland. When the media get it so wrong they tend to ascribe events to “Act Of God” status, for which (of course) they cannot be held accountable.”[/i]

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4/02/2013Janet Thank you for your great set of tweets. I see some are related to today’s inconsequential [i]Newspoll[/i] and [i]Galaxy[/i]. I thought Andrew Catsaras nailed it on [i]Insiders[/i]: [i]”Because we're aggregating the polls it is a more comprehensive approach, but even these results are not answers and nor are they predictions. They're simply reflections. And because they're reflecting likely behaviour in a hypothetical situation, those reflections are not clear images of the future but rather blurred images of the past, and should be understood as such. “Now viewed in that context, we can better understand what polls actually are, not what many people would like them to be. And it exposes the extraordinary frenzy that follows the release of each new poll - treating each poll result as if it's an actual election result, and each change from poll to poll as if they're actual swings between elections - for the absurd and highly destructive political ritual that it truly is. “A ritual that regularly weaves the threads of very little into the illusion of very much; one that routinely values opinion over fact; and one that is convinced that random variations in polling results actually mean something, is a ritual, that our political system could well do without.”[/i] Let’s not fall into the trap of believing that today’s polls are predictive of the outcome on September 14. They are not.

LadyInRed

4/02/2013Wow Janet what a twitterverse selection. Brilliant! Thanks so much. I loved all the tweets about Grattan. Very amusing.

Ken

4/02/2013Ad [quote]The strategy behind TPS M@IL is to inform politicians, and journalists, of the views of the voters. It will rely on the constancy of the impact, like a boxer peppering his opponent with short sharp jabs, not looking for a knockout, but a steady wearing down.[/quote] Agree entirely. That was my second point on the positive outcome, that the issue remains on the radar, even when a standard reply has been sent. Also, although it has been referred to in previous threads, Possum's last post also explains the real value of polls!!! http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2012/11/11/trends-the-horserace-and-random-numbers/

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4/02/2013It's good to see you back AA. Hope it was a refreshing break. It looks like we are in for some hard work in the lead up to the Ides of September! I was so pleased to see our own little tweety bird back that I was moved to a limerick! http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/polly-lim-lyn-linking/

James Adelaide

4/02/2013Ad Astra, Apologies fr being off topic,but you were one of the first tthat I saw flagging it, and I wanted you to see these. I could just give the link, but I read these comment stream on a computer in the shed. I have to come back indoors to download a link. So to all of you in sheds: here goes… The story is Belief in victory hard for party at war with itself Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/belief-in-victory-hard-for-party-at-war-with-itself-20130203-2dsop.html#ixzz2JtG8KBX1 I posted a few thoughts Given that the Media are solidly against Labor and solidly for the Coalition, I for one am not surprised that the government is trailing. Any group of people who are vilified all day everyday in almost every newspaper, TV and radio station will find their popularity dropping. For those who maintain that the propaganda does not affect the polls /vote: Why did the labor vote rise 3% over christmas? A pause in the propaganda campaign perhaps? And One reason Gillard is struggling is that the news is slanted. Which MPs are retiring before the election? To read Murdoch, or indeed any newspaper, only two senior Labor ministers. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/gillards-kicking-spectacular-own-goals/story-e6frf7jo-1226567368667. To read Anthony Green: 7 Liberal and 5 Labour. http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2013/02/house-members-retiring-at-the-2013-election.html Yet the headlines and comment pages scream ‘labor rats leaving a sinking ship, when it could be ‘MPs retire to allow party to renew.’ If the propaganda campaign succeeds, I for one will be an unhappy camper. And Michelle Please compare the slant of this story http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/coalition-in-another-tangle-thanks-to-hockey-20130128-2dgzn.html With this one http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/belief-in-victory-hard-for-party-at-war-with-itself-20130203-2dsop.html The first story about a gaffe by Joe Hockey uses the phrases ‘complete tangle’ ‘charitable interpretation’ and a quote''the fundamental difference between the Coalition and the Labor Party is competence and honesty'' Grattan concludes with If Abbott had been honest, he would have stuck to his earlier line. If the opposition had been competent it would have co-ordinated better and had a common voice. It is usually better for your credibility to tell things as they are, and insist members of your team do too. Yet the story about the Federal Governmen contains the following adjectives ‘unsettled and uncertain’ ‘unforced error’ ‘Critics point out ‘ ‘The federal Labor scene after the election might not be pretty’. In the first story, the Coalition, eager to harm Labor, is caught using old figures and basically lying. The concluding paragraph suggests that their credibility and competence could have been better.. In the second story, not only is the party portrayed as in crisis, but Michelle speculates how bad it will be after the election. TO MT FELLOW ELECTORS Beware this sort of Propaganda. These two stories are clearly slanted. One party used old figures, is caught and exonerated. The other party apparently offends by breathing. Michelle: this is not the sort of journalism you used to produce. Read you old articles (10 or 20 years ago) and return to that type of professional, even handed journalism. And To all the posters who are utterly convinced that Gillard and Labor are doomed. I say FOX NEWS BUBBLE It appears that the Murdoch media have created their own bubble. In it, the Federal government is wracked by crises, is incompetent, groaning under debt, the worst ever.. Recently, they have added a few memes. That Labor is doomed, that Labor will be a small number after the election. The most extreme push came recently is a story where Tony Abbott says he won't break election promises http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/tony-abbott-says-he-wont-break-election-promises/story-e6frfkp9-1226566250649 There are 17 comments on the story: 2 accept the headline. There are some propositions which cannot be forced down our throats, no matter how many media outlets try to do so. End posts Hope you enjoy

Lyn

4/02/2013Hi Ad and Everybody, Thankyou Ad for your delightful article, talking to me again and I love it. Ad did you get my last email, outlook keeps putting it in the outbox so I keep trying to re-send, hey I hope you haven't been bombarded. Thankyou to my lovely friends for your "Welcome Back Posts', told you before I love being missed, gives me energy. Thankyou everybody you are all so nice. Patricia I am so pleased your wrist is nearly better, you poor little thing so much has happened, never mind your evident resiliency will stand you in good stead. Wow thankyou Archie hey how many people get a limerick specially for them, you really are very clever our Archie friend. love it when our Lyn’s a’linking She’s adding so much to our thinking By showing the way And making our day. Her energy has us all blinking! Ad Astra isn't that just lovely my golden box is treasured, cherished forever. Talk Turkey a big thankyou to you. Love your magic words G'wan Lyn! You miss NIX! Gotta get your daily fix! Flitting round the Sociosphere Dropping feathers there - and here! Truth Seeker, adore you blog Congratulations, I have been tweeting your work, thankyou for your welcome back. Janet your Twitterverse is fantastic thankyou. Love our little Gypsy. Janice thankyou to you too, I have been getting alerts to your blog posts, what a great time I have had. All your work is on my "Kindle". A few pieces of information: Grattan will hold a press conference outside Parliament House at 12pm to take questions on the appointment. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/04/grattan-the-professor-but-is-she-leaving-the-age/ David Crowe ‏ "Julia Gillard won't talk to me," says Neil Mitchell. So how would ALP use equal time rules if Abbott goes on 3AW? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcasters-confused-by-legal-status-of-eight-month-political-campaign/story-e6frg996-1226567756160 … Noely ‏ Quite funny, think it is a boost for Tony Abbott? RT: Equal political broadcast time 'starts now' | The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/equal-political-broadcast-time-starts-now/story-fn59niix-1226567128123?sv=5fee221f64de4a6bffc1dde64464c54c#.UQ4mme1e_JY.twitter … :):):):)

N'ellie May

4/02/2013Hi Ad, Lyn and fellow humanitarians, How wonderful to be able to share in with your thoughts and feelings. Have been following as much as possible over the summer break. Your opinion piece is preaching to the converted, Ad. We are with you totally on this. However, the message has to be delivered truthfully by the MSM and that's never going to happen. Who could believe the organisations that are controlling public information have all lined up so strategically to destroy progessive thinking? The plants in the ABC have robbed us of fairness, and they were the last bastion of decency. Even Jon Faine has copped the judgement from the far right. I watched the film "Newsfront" just recently. What a prophetic call way back in the mid-70's about the power of mass hypnosis by the media, combined with absolute apathy from the public. It will be too late in 10 years time to say "we told you so." Keep up the good fight. Thank you, Ad, for giving us a means with which to try and make a difference.

Gillian

4/02/2013Thanks Ad, some good questions there... You may be interested in this article that compares the major parties' clean energy policies. http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/where-the-major-parties-stand-on-clean-energy-and-climate-82709 Also useful is the statistic that Australia's carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from electricity generation fell 8.6 percent year-on-year in the six months since the carbon tax was implemented on 1 July 2012. http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/1.2149630 Gillian

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4/02/2013Hi Lyn Thank you for your very kind remarks. It’s so good to have you back making comments. You deserve all the accolades and welcoming verse you are receiving. Janet will be a great assistant with her Twitterverse and Twitterati. Your links made amusing reading – promoting the notion that Tony Abbott has been gifted an advantage by the election date announcement. Nothing will change, Abbott has had an armchair ride for the last two years, with every stunt faithfully reported by a compliant, adoring and incompetent MSM. As I commented yesterday: [i]”How many more stunts can he fit in between his bike rides, his fire fighting, his heavy haulage driving in flouro gear, his hard hat appearances at sundry factories and construction sites, and between his banana stacking and fish kissing? Give us a break. Abbott will go on doing what he has done for years, and the media will give his stunts the same publicity - they could scarcely give him more unless the invent a new series: ‘Abbott’s Stunts Rule’”[/i] It was amusing to read the comments about Michelle Grattan’s ‘balance’ in her political reporting; her recent efforts have been anything but balanced. It will be fascinating to see how she writes for [i]The Conversation[/i]. Your email arrived at 11.01 this morning and I responded to it at 11.55 – it seems to be taking a long while to get to Queensland!

KHTAGH

4/02/2013Welcome back Lyn, big hugs for the new yr, I'm even more in awe of the work you do on our behalf after posting a few links over the Xmas break. ♥♥ AA Great read. I would like to believe than some journalist would ask just a few questions of the mad monk seeing you have even supplied the questions for them, should suit their cut & paste MO they now use. Unfortunately seeing they didn't come from Murdoch central I don't hold much hope, we must use our new tools you have supplied to us & do it ourselves. Just one small comment on what has been discussed over the last few days re announcements timing etc. If the PM had done it the other way around I can tell you now the Australian would have had the headline:- [b]"PM paniced into calling election date due to resignations" [/b] I do remember hearing on the radio the other day, mobiles usage in Oz now 16,000,000. To think that these people are not used in any polling this tends to put the results into prospective, they are meaninglessly inaccurate. Whats more Ltd News knows this & is hell bent of trying to brainwash Joe public to doing what they want & vote Lieberal. Taking this into consideration my suspicion is that everyone will get a big surprise come the election result, TT will make a motsa & we will see headless chooks running around bumping into furniture everywhere in the MSM asking where did that result come from. With Abbortt, screaming its been rigged I was supposed to win Rupert & Gina promised me.

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4/02/2013Ken Possum, like all professional pollsters, know the limitations of their polls, as expressed so eloquently by Andrew Catsaras on [i]Insiders[/i] yesterday. I repeat his moments here: [i]”Because we're aggregating the polls it is a more comprehensive approach, but even these results are not answers and nor are they predictions. They're simply reflections. And because they're reflecting likely behaviour in a hypothetical situation, those reflections are not clear images of the future but rather blurred images of the past, and should be understood as such. “Now viewed in that context, we can better understand what polls actually are, not what many people would like them to be. And it exposes the extraordinary frenzy that follows the release of each new poll - treating each poll result as if it's an actual election result, and each change from poll to poll as if they're actual swings between elections - for the absurd and highly destructive political ritual that it truly is. “A ritual that regularly weaves the threads of very little into the illusion of very much; one that routinely values opinion over fact; and one that is convinced that random variations in polling results actually mean something, is a ritual, that our political system could well do without.”[/i] Columnists care nothing about the insignificant predictive power of an individual poll, because every poll makes great copy for their media outlets. No investigative reporting is needed, just a recital of the poll stats and their interpretation of them, which almost always is biased by their political preferences, or those of their editor or proprietor.

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4/02/2013archie archive What a lovely tribute you make to Lyn on your blogsite. It is thoroughly deserved. http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/polly-lim-lyn-linking/ Thank you for your welcome back – it’s going to be an intense year!

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4/02/2013Advantage for Abbott by being given equal time. The way he has avoided facing the media, this would seem to be no advantage at all. Perhaps he will have to be FORCED to enable Gillard to have enough to get the message across. abc This morning when some aspiring inderling introducing "Fran" after a slight doscussion on Obama and guns, the question was asked Does Gillard use guns leading up to the gratuitous " shoot herself in the foot" comment Is this sort of rubbish what is going to be the style of the abc( lower letters)?. Tony Jones is best at that style. The abc will never be "RIGHT" enough for the Tea Party's Australian branch , till they start to use terms like "our glorious leader" , "exhaulted. GOD-MAN"when referring to Tiny Abbott. What was the "Botox Al Jolsen" look about at the press conference about on Tony? Glasses and new dress got the big mention. She needs glasses to see. Perfectly legitimate reason. MSM is blind to decency and truth. Would any person bet on the MSM telling the truth, in the politics of australia? "Anytime soon" (Hell I hate that term) Don't forget Fox news argued for the right to print KNOWN lies, in CANADA. Why would they want to do that?

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4/02/2013James Adelaide I enjoyed reading your comment and visiting the links. Labor is up against an antagonistic media and vituperative columnists – Miranda Devine is among the worst. Anyone can write adversely about any situation by adding one’s biases. The early announcement of the election date can be styled as an ‘own goal’ as Miranda chose to do, or as a brilliant tactical move, that no News Limited, or for that matter Fairfax journalist, would dare to suggest.

Jason

4/02/2013Aa, Is it possible to cut company tax, cut the carbon tax, pay out for defence and 'direct action' on climate change - and still balance the budget? It's time to sack Abbott for someone competent, writes Ian McAuley http://newmatilda.com/2013/02/04/abbotts-figures-dont-add

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4/02/2013N’ellie May Thank you for your encouraging words. The battle for Labor is not so much countering the Coalition, but most of the MSM, which, since the announcement of the election date, seems to be pulling out all the stops to get the Coalition elected. The Fifth Estate can see this problem and is up to countering it. This is the last desperate fling of an industry under stress, fighting for its survival, which it deems will be more likely under an Abbott government.

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4/02/2013Gillian Thank you for your comment, and for the helpful link that compares the elements of climate change policy for the three parties. Wouldn’t it be great of regular journalists would write such material in words that the ordinary man in the street could understand.

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4/02/2013KHTAGH Thank you for your comment. What you say is so pertinent. I don’t expect a response from the Coalition; all I have received is an auto-reply from Tony Abbott’s office. But we need to just keep hacking away, asking questions, more questions. Your point about the users of mobile phones being left out of the sample polled is very relevant. They include the younger demographic who vote differently from those who own landlines. We may find that all the predictions turn out to be wrong, as was the case in the US, because the polling was wrong and the aggregation of polls faulty. So what was touted as a close contest with Romney on the brink of victory, turned out to be a resounding victory for Obama.

Michael

4/02/2013When it comes to political polls, just keep hearing how the local 'experts' use an Australian accent to pronounce "Tony Abbott" the same way the American poll pundits kept saying "Mitt Romney" in the lead-up to the last US Presidential election. Then you'll get an accurate prediction of September 14's election result.

Sandra

4/02/2013Great first post for the year Adastra. Thanks for the long list of Twitterers, have been busy over the break,passing on other bloggers posts and I notice that Jan has listed many of people I now follow here at the TPS. You know something? I reckon that those of us who follow all on the 5th estate are now joining the dots, because we are all joining hands to get the REAL TRUTH out the populace. There is so much going on in the Twitter world, so many people who are waking up to the propaganda that the LNP are dishing out and of course that includes their MSM. I've yet to try out the TPS@MAIL Adastra. Being of the older generation, it takes me a little while to figure out how use it properly.LOL

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4/02/2013Jason Thanks for the link to the [i]New Matilda[/i] article, very soundly written. http://newmatilda.com/2013/02/04/abbotts-figures-dont-add Will the MSM ever write like this?

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4/02/2013Sandra Thank you for your comment. I believe you are right - the social media will be central and will hold our incompetent and biased MSM to account. The Arab Spring was effective. Let's have the 'Fifth Estate Spring'. I hope you will find TPS M@IL easy to use. Perhaps give it a try first using 'Disseminate this post' which has been pre-programmed. All you have to do is add your name.

Tom of Melbourne

4/02/2013Polling organisations use strict sampling methods to obtain a representation of the electorate. It isn’t simply who answers the phone. Many polling organisations conduct market and consumer research, would the critics here like to name the businesses that would spend big $$$ on the research services if the polling data wasn’t reliable? It is reasonable to question the purpose of polls this far out from an election, but it is (wilfully) ignorant for amateurs to seek to question sampling methods of research organisations, based on stuff like “young people don’t use landlines so much” Pollsters and research organisations employ qualified mathematicians and statisticians – what are the qualifications of those who suggest that they can’t organise a reliable sample?

Tom of Melbourne

4/02/2013While ago Ad Astra was critical of the way polling organisation asked their questions. He was critical of the one on economic policy. The question asked of poll respondents was – “in which party do you have confidence in their economic policy?” Ad Astra wanted the question to be along the lines of …[i]”The government has implemented a range of economic initiatives in response to the GFC, including cash stimulus and infrastructure spending, Australia has avoided the worst to the GFC. Do you support this policy or do you support the Coalition’s plan to cut the spending”[/i] Honestly!! Now try developing a similar question (for example) about- • Interest rates • Foreign policy • Trade • Education Ad Astra has a rich history of not understanding polling or surveys. His competence is obviously shared by others here.

Casablanca

4/02/2013 From their ABC website. [b]Cabinet reshuffle: who's going where[/b] Updated 6 hours 32 minutes ago. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-02/cabinet-reshuffle3a-who27s-going-where/4497582?WT.svl=news5 As it is now about 3.47pm the above mentioned online report was updated at around 9am on 4 February, 2013. The swearing-in by the GG occurred sometime before midday, as it was reported, complete with video on ABC 1 midday news. The information in the above referenced ABC News online article is both inaccurate and incomplete. It appears to be a straight copy of the [quote]'Who is going where?'[/quote] table of Ministerial Changes embedded in an article by Simon Cullen published on Saturday on the same website. It was inaccurate then and it is inaccurate now. [b]PM announces reshuffle after Evans, Roxon quit[/b] By chief political correspondent Simon Cullen Updated Sat Feb 2, 2013 7:44pm AEDT http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-02/gillard-announces-cabinet-reshuffle-after-evans2c-roxon-quit/4497514 Their ABC at the cutting edge of online News. Not! I must also note that the aph website has not been updated. More anon.

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4/02/2013Michael I'll be listening with a keen ear; I hope I can pick up the nuances you expect. The erroneous predictions of a battalion of so-called professional pollsters in the US Presidential election was exposed by statistician Nate Silver, whose aggregated figures predicted the results correctly, much to the surprise of the pundits, who all got it wrong. ToM has a touching faith in pollsters and their supporting statisticians. But what use is a poll if sampling errors distort results? Even in the latest [i]Newspoll[/i] the pollster acknowledges that the recent floods have impaired the usual sampling routine. If sampling omits a demographic because it uses different telephone technology, no matter how professional the pollsters, no matter how clever their statisticians, the result will not fill the criterion of representative sampling that any proper survey requires. If the aggregation is faulty, the results will be distorted. ToM seems to think this intelligence is exclusive to those involved in political polling, whereas any professional involved in research, as many of us have been, knows this basic fact. Of course, this does not stop him from issuing his gratuitous insult: [i]”Ad Astra has a rich history of not understanding polling or surveys.”[/i] ToM would make a good News Limited columnist; fact free, just making it up as he goes along, errors and all. I wonder what he thinks about Andrew Catsaras’ views as expressed on [i]Insiders[/i] yesterday? Perhaps ToM believes he too has [i]”…a rich history of not understanding polling or surveys.”[/i]

Lyn

4/02/2013Hi Ad and Everybody, Ad I sent the email at 7am this morning so took 4 hours, Telstra for you. During my break I set my old laptop up as a Television , so sits right beside my PC. Have tuned in 35 channels and it’s brilliant. The program is called “BlazeDTV 6.0 ”, consists of a USB stick, the antenna plugs to the stick, insert the software disk, follow instructions Presto old computer a TV. Doesn’t have anything to do with the internet as runs of the antenna. Cost $39.00 for the USB Stick @ Dick Smith. I just received this email from Essential Polling email alert: “Due to some incredibly poorly-timed technical difficulties there will be no Essential Report out today. We should have figures in next 24 hours.” Do you think that Newspoll has put them in a panic perhaps: Ad what do you think of this Tweet by The Conversation, Note “writing sensibly” on this election, so uhmmmmm The Conversation @ConversationEDU @michellegrattan's new role with us includes “writing sensibly on this v exciting election”. (Ping @UniCanberra) bit.ly/11jgDdw 12:36 PM - 04 Feb 13 :):):)

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4/02/2013Casablanca I can't get any news from the ABC about who Caucus appointed as Senate Leader. Does anyone know if Stephen Conroy got the nod?

Bacchus

4/02/2013You may be interested in this Lyn - a more expensive solution, but more flexible... http://www.kaiserbaas.com/tv-radio-category/network-tv-tuner Anyone on my home network can watch and/or record TV programs using Windows Media Centre (I'm sure Apple would have something similar). With the twin tuners, you can watch or record 2 channels at a time. It's also possible to put more of them in the network to give you more tuners.

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

4/02/2013 Hi Ad, yes Conroy got the nod. Not sure if Penny Wong in as Deputy.

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4/02/2013Janet Thanks. Penny Wong didn't want the Leader's job because of her baby, but maybe she could cope with the Deputy's job

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

4/02/2013 And update Ad, Penny took Deputy (in spite of bambino commitments :-)). Pretty good (and expected) result all round, I think.

Gillian

4/02/2013Please don't dismiss the polls out of hand. All the major ones use reliable samples that are representative of the population in terms of age, gender and geography. Pollsters who stick to reporting the numbers are usually more accurate, whereas pundits who view the polls through their ideology tend to be misled. It's better to look at aggregated polls and to look at longer term trends rather than the results of a single poll. All parties will be watching carefully to see what trends emerge in coming months. By the way, I believe that many of the US polls were right. Republicans got it wrong because they thought that large and enthusiastic rallies meant more than scientific polls. Check out Nate Silver on NYT - famous for getting many data-related things right, including the Presidential election.

Gillian

4/02/2013Yes Conroy is leader and Penny Wong is deputy.

Gillian

4/02/2013ooops, I wrote my comment re polls before seeing your later one. I got distracted by this... http://www.politicalcompass.org/index ... and couldn't resist filling it out. Your comments about valid sampling are good, but it sounds like you think all polls are worthless, and that doesn't exactly jive with the track record of polling.

KHTAGH

4/02/2013Gillian Funny how they didn't mention in the polls today that neither Vic or Qld were polled due to natural disasters, convenient omission. Don't taint the result be telling people the truth.

Bacchus

4/02/2013[quote]All the major ones use reliable samples that are representative of the population in terms of age, gender and geography.[/quote] You seem to know a bit about this stuff Gillian. How many of the polls actually meet the quota specified for all demographics? My understanding is that very few actually get the required number of responses in the 18-34 group... Disclaimer: My son used to work for a company which conducts polls on behalf of the major players...

Gillian

4/02/2013None of QLD or VIC? Got a source for that?

Gillian

4/02/2013The Newspoll summary of the poll says "These surveys were conducted on the telephone by trained interviewers in all states of Australia and in both city and country areas. Telephone numbers and the person within the household were selected at random. The data has been weighted to reflect the population distribution. The latest survey is based on 1163 interviews among voters. The maximum margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points." Maybe you refer to a different poll?

LadyInRed

4/02/2013Gillian I find it hard to takes Newspolls (or any poll) too seriously, especially this far out. For example the last 5 Newspolls for the primary vote had Labor Oct 33%, Nov 36%, Dec 32%, Jan 38%, and now Feb 32%. Now if that isn't a yo-yo what is? How can you poll during natural disasters in 3 states? I had no phone last week for 5 days? If you only do landline how does that reflect the real community? The MSM are using this tool to manipulate the sentiment in the electorate and take the focus off the fact that TAbbott has nothing to offer this country. Conservatives, especially ultra conservatives, only ever feather the nest of the rich, throw a few crumbs to the rest, and want to tell everyone how they should live in a dog eat dog world, and a white male dominated one at that.

bob macalba

4/02/2013Welcome back Lyn a huge 200+ days ahead and the Fighting Fifth showing the way Janet..great collection links..ta very much, Space Kidette a good read LiR nice to see your back online Everybody posting links and comments..a big thanks the more info and thought, the better to beat the buggers, Ad am fair pleased with myself, sent my very first email using your new TPS thingy [just the one at the bottom of your post but its a start] and it felt good cheers all

Gillian

4/02/2013Bacchus, I've worked in the industry for 30+ years. Younger ages may be under-represented but not vastly. They'll just keep interviewing till they get minimum numbers in each quota bracket. To fine-tune the sample, they'll weight the final sample numbers to match census data. Lady -- no sensible person says that a poll taken in January says how a Sept election will turn out. Everyone will be watching to see trends. For e.g. Labor gained a lot last year July-Nov, then stayed stable, now this latest measure falls. So everyone will watch to see what the next poll says - return to upward path? Stable at this level, or down some more? Some polls are done online, and some are hybrid phone/online. Always making an effort to get a valid cross-section of voters. If polls were useless, no one would commission them. People ignore data do so at their peril. Look at what is said about those who deny scientific data when it doesn't suit their ideology.

Tom of Melbourne

4/02/2013Gillian seems to know far more about this subject than Ad Astra, so Ad Astra will probably disparage the comments.

DMW

4/02/2013The very first thing that must be understood about political polling is that it is a loss leader. Polling companies do not make money from the political polls, they are used to advertise the company. The most important political poll/s for each organisation is the last one (or two) before an election and how close it is the actual result. The last few polls give a company bragging rights if they are closest and those polls are used by the companies to market themselves and they use the last results to show 'how good they are' as the results are publicly verifiable. To suggest that any polling organisation 'fudges' the figures to get the result they want is as close to pure fantasy as you can get. There are many $'s hanging of the perceived accuracy and integrity of the methods and reporting used by each company and all of them are in it for a profit not to rig a poll to suit some political conspiracy.

2353

4/02/2013While I take Gillian's point about the polls, I wonder how they account for those that don't have a landline or only have naked ADSL. It has been reported for years that the major polling companies don't ring mobiles - they are missing a significant number of Australians if this is the case. Nate Silver also was the recipient of some particularly nasty comment during the US election from a number of sources, including the Republican Party, a large percentage of the media and some polling organisations from all reports. He came incredibly close to the real result but the road to get there was rather rocky.

Jason

4/02/2013Gillian, All polls state that if an election was held "last Saturday" this would be the likely result! There was no election last Saturday as we both know, Perhaps you could give us the lotto numbers for this Saturday!

Gillian

4/02/2013Here is Nate Silver's list of US pollsters ranked by accuracy. As you can see, some did very well, and some not so good. You'll see that some of the top-5 pollsters used phone and some used internet. You'll also see that most predicted a Republican win by a tiny margin. On a sample of 1,000 the margin of error is 3% - most of these predictions were within the 3% margin of error, so in effect they were saying it could go either way. The final count for popular vote was Obama 50.4% to Romney 48.1%. You'd need a sample much bigger than 1,000 to predict an election that was this close. (Of course in the US the polling focuses on swing seats and takes account of Electoral Votes, not the popular vote.) It is unwise to chuck out all the pollsters, much better to discern which ones are best at the job. Even if you don't like the numbers. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Lyn

4/02/2013Hi Bacchus Thankyou for your welcome back @ 09:37 AM, BTW I love both your avatars. A special thankyou for your reply to my post @ 1.30pm about making my Laptop into a TV as well as computer. I am very interested in the information you sent me, the price is OK too. I might have to tell myself I really need it because offers more than the one I have installed. I can’t have the TV going on my desktop as always too busy, so the network sounds very interesting. I like to have the pressers & QT going near me as can listen while I work. Network TV Tuner, Multiple TV tuners, network enabled http://www.kaiserbaas.com/tv-radio-category/network-tv-tuner Khtagh thankyou for your hugs & hearts @ 02:28 PM, I love your hugs. See this: Malcolm Farr ‏ Opposition has given Craig Thomson a pair so he can appear in court. Makes sense. Wouldn't want to deprive voters of the spectacle Herald Sun ‏ Craig Thomson case threatens balance of power in parliament http://hsun.info/14L8KMQ #auspol margo kingston ‏ Our Paper's page 1 lead now Police admit to errors over Craig Thomson arrest |T… http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/police-admit-to-errors-over-thomson-arrest/story-fn59niix-1226568163718 …, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/margokingston1 :):):):)

DMW

4/02/2013Gillian @ 6:28 PM [i]If polls were useless, no one would commission them.[/i] That would include political parties and the in/famous 'internal party polling'. Polling is a legitimate market research tool that has widely accepted validity. I do not like 'the look' of the current polls but they are still valid. The wise and wonderful advisers to our politicians are hanging off every single poll and parsing them to find some edge for their side. Attempting to discredit or deny the validity of the data is a folly. The interpretation/s of the latest poll is a different matter entirely

42 long

4/02/2013I've set up a few polls and the questions asked highly influences the BIAS you obtain I've also offered to do many on line polls. You can pick the "genuine-ness of the poll by the questions asked. Marketing directed questions would have to be very professionally and properly done to be worthwhile. but iF your interest was to obtain a "skewed" result, crever people could easily achieve that. Apparently a lot of polling distributed on Right ish sites have Abbott romping it in all the time. That would be to CON them (The readers/adherents. I always believed there was some advantage to be the one coming from behind. I think the over-riding philosophy here is to make the Labor side look completely beyond consideration/ hopeless.. The facts of their performance do not support that conclusion but like sheep the masses are falling for the overwhelming force of distortion and lies. IF their actions were conspicuously exposed or some of their smear and character assasinate plots fell over, there could be an enormous backlash. It's a risky plan, but worst of all it is based on DECEIT PLOTS Cover-ups and lies. It's nothing like it should be. Abbott should only win by merit. The fact he can not do that is evidenced by what is happening to present a totally distorted view of this dreadfull piece of work. As time goes on and it all keeps happening it jsy gets worse and worse. What an enbarrassment on a national scale will we have when this person? gets in. He will make us look like fools throughout the world, but apart from that, what will he do to this country? WE just cannot afford this Abbott. Too risky. What do they say. In your guts you know he's nuts.

LadyInRed

4/02/2013Gillian I wont be taking any notice of polls until much closer to the election. At present I believe they are just being used by the media to inflate their power, to swing the 'not so savvy' voter. To help perpetuate the narrative that the government is in chaos. What do propose the government do? To react to them would be a stupid move in my opinion. You might as well go out and ask Joe Blogs how he wants the PM to work from one month to the next.

Sir Ian Crisp

4/02/2013[quote][i]For those who maintain that the propaganda does not affect the polls /vote: Why did the labor vote rise 3% over christmas? James Adelaide [/i][/quote] Excellent question James. A spike like that in the Newspoll results tends to make a person circumspect about the result. Also, a high profile redhead decided to hide during the Christmas break so the voters thought Santa had made their Christmas wishes come true. The bird of paradox probably couldn’t stand facing the voters and telling them the budget surplus was another lie. Essential Research (which is a left wing org) has been the most reliable. It reports the following on a 2PP: Election August 2010: ALP 50.1%/ Lib-NP 49.9% Two weeks ago: Lib-NP 54%/ ALP 46% Last week: Lib-NP 54%/ ALP 46% This week: Lib-NP 54%/ ALP 46%

bob macalba

4/02/2013Polls and trolls.....best if we ignore both...wasted energy maybe the bad guys want us to focus on dodgy polls,trying to keep the attention away from the corruption and abuse of powers going on, too many and too often cheers

Capstan

4/02/2013If Abbott is required to answer your 49 questions on global warming - then here is a simple question back to you: What caused the Medieval and Roman warming episodes? The answer is that nobody knows - beyond the fact that those warming events were definitely unrelated to man-made CO2 emissions. And as long as no-one can say what caused those events - then no-one can say with any degree of certainty what is causing this current warming episode, either. Can they? That includes, of course, Satan’s own breath of death – CO2 (or “carbon” to you lefty Neanderthals insist on calling it). It is absolutely possible that our current situation may have arisen from whatever natural causes were responsible for the Medieval and Roman episodes. If so, all the torrid, fevered speculation that surrounds the theory of global warming - elevated by zealots like you sad lot to the esteemed rank of "scientific certainty" - could well be nothing more than an ill-advised release of rancid, malodorous hot air. N'est-ce pas? And - by the way - are there any bets on the forthcoming Federal election? How about you, Turkey boy? Still all gobble, bubble and bobble? Coming to a Federal seat near you - the great ALP poll massacre of 2013! The horror! The horror! I love a good show with a happy ending – Abbott will prove to be a great Prime Minister – unlike what’s-her-name with the new specs whose only claim to fame will be the number of times she lied through her teeth whilst firmly maintaining eye contact with 22 million Australians. Seeya, lefty luvvies!

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4/02/2013Folks Thank you all for your thoughtful comments about polls. What I am asserting is that individual polls this far from an election are not predictive of the September 14 result. Andrew Catsaras said the same on [i]Insiders[/i] yesterday, as has Possum said consistently on [i]Pollytics[/i], as did Peter Lewis of Essential Research this evening on [i]The Drum[/i]. Aggregated polls that give trends, such as Possum does with [i]Pollytrend[/i], and Andrew Catsaras in his [i]Poll of Polls[/i] on [i]Insiders[/i] are superior indicators of the future. We know how the media use individual polls - to beat up one party or the other. It is good copy and it pays. Why politicians are sucked in by this charade is beyond me. They allow questioning by journos about the most recent poll to suck them into defensive or even defeatist comment about the state of their party and their prospects, as was Doug Cameron today, to whom I have written in protest. No one is suggesting that polls be ignored, just that they be credited only with what they are capable of doing, and individual polls lack predictive capability. While professional pollsters attempt to get their sampling right, it would be foolhardy to believe they always succeed; even they acknowledge that when they publish their margins of error. The latter is usually related to sample size, but representativeness is much harder to ascertain, and the queries raised here about the aberrations that might result from the method used are legitimate. Such queries have been going on for years over Morgan’s face-to-face polling versus telephone polling. While it is fair enough to say that if polls were useless no one would commission them, no one is asserting that they are literally ‘useless’. They certainly are used by, and presumably useful to those who pay for them, for their own purposes. It is the validity and reliability of individual polls that is being questioned, as it ought to be. There is no point in giving credence to data of uncertain validity or reliability. To do so, leads to confusion and errors.

DMW

4/02/2013G'day Bob is that {i]Polls ... too many and too often [/i]? Have to agree. It is a bit like ads on the tele and opinions ... far too many of them and far too often :P

Michael

4/02/2013May every poll between now and the Federal election convince every Coalition politician that they have government in the bag and they act like it. Christopher Pyne, for one, already is. Seven months is a long time for hubris to trip 'em up out there in front of the electors. And it will. One of them, two of them, three. It will. Start measuring the office for new furniture this far out, you might just end up with empty packing cases and a shell-shocked look on your face.

DMW

4/02/2013This is a good one [b]An open letter to Joe Hockey, the Treasurer in waiting[/b] [i]Dear Mr Hockey If the opinion polls are right, you will be Australia’s 37th Treasurer on 15 September 2013. All the very best to you if in fact that is the case because economic policy, economic growth, job creation and rising living standards are key aspects of macroeconomic management. I hope you can extend the current era of 21 years of growth for at least another three. I must say that when I see your leader, Mr Abbott, talking economics I am worried you will not be able to deliver some of the promises you are starting to articulate. Budget surpluses and lower debt are the means to an end, not the end themselves. Your focus on the surplus and debt is unnerving, a point all the more evident when we look to the fiscal austerity being delivered in much of Europe, the UK and even in the US.[/i] http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2323-an-open-letter-to-joe-hockey-the-treasurer-in-waiting Keep reading it gets even better.

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4/02/2013DMW That is a good article by Stephen Koukoulas. A nice challenge to Joe Hockey, and of course Tony Abbott, that is if can actually understand what Stephen is writing. I'm off to watch [i]Media Watch[/i] and [i]Q&A[/i].

Tom of Melbourne

4/02/2013Just do me a favour Ad Astra and tell me, do you still think opinion polls should ask questions such as – [i] The government has implemented a range of economic initiatives in response to the GFC, including cash stimulus and infrastructure spending, Australia has avoided the worst to the GFC. Do you support this policy or do you support the Coalition’s plan to cut the spending?” 
[/i] Does you recommendation about this type of question support any contention that you know something or other about opinion polling?

TalkTurkey

4/02/2013Ad astra Like a Lancaster Bomber that has kept its engines idling for a stopover between sorties, the Political Sword has come roaring back to service! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gillian said [i]... most [polls] predicted a Republican win by a tiny margin. On a sample of 1,000 the margin of error is 3% - most of these predictions were within the 3% margin of error, so in effect they were saying it could go either way. The final count for popular vote was Obama 50.4% to Romney 48.1%[/i] Well there you are then. For all the billions of hours spent polling and all the trillions of words written about the results, and all the scientific prognosticational techniques, the outcome was just as wrongly predicted as if a blindfoldee played [i]Pin The Tail on the Donkey or Elephant[/i]. It's maybe a cliche but it's also a Truth, there's only one real poll, and We the Left will top it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lyn quoted Malcolm Farr ‏ [i]Opposition has given Craig Thomson a pair so he can appear in court.[/i] Hunh. The Opposition needs to grow a pair of its own. Craig Thomson already has a pair!

Capstan

4/02/2013If any of you sad bunch of Petri-dish dwellers seriously believe that Labour has a chance of winning the forthcoming Federal election - well, you will have completely redefined the meaning of the word "delusional". I mean - seriously! You sorry political misfits got smashed in WA - decimated in Qld - absolutely gutted in NSW - you only just won in the ACT (home of the ALP public service cardigan - the same fashion item your wise guy Ad Astra wears day in, day out) - you were snotted in NT - and that is just the elections! Your little mate Thomson's self-inflicted crucifixion is progressing slowly, publicly and very messily - what are the odds of that helping the cause, eh? And how are things going for NSW ALP inc? Gold. It's all gold. Solid gold. But not for you. The path you are on is heading to a very high cliff. At the bottom of that cliff are countless huge, jagged rocks. All over those rocks are the stinking, rotten carcasses of ALP NSW, ALP Qld etc etc. ALP Federal is the next to take that fatal leap off the cliff – crying out “I can FLY!!” just like its state mates, denying to the very end the certain predictability of gravity-induced outcome. Anyone who will not admit that Gillard is about to get a shellacking on a par with ALP NSW or Qld is a denialist of spectacular, incorrigible, irredeemable proportions. But this little blog always has been absolutely chokkers with complete fruit loops, hasn't it? Bets anybody? Anyone for a little bet on the Federal election results?

LadyInRed

4/02/2013Thanks bob macalba its nice to be back. Good discussion about polling, very interesting. DMW I can't seem to open that link? It just hangs. Dissappointed in Leigh Sales interview. I got the impression she was treating it like a boxing match, a right hook followed immediately by a left. I jokingly had a $5 bet she would open with that ridiculous line "are you leaving a sinking ship" and she did! How un-original is that. It was clearly said to put Nicola on the back foot, but Roxon is a seasoned politician so it had no effect. I was gob smacked at Sales starting an interview with Roxon when she has been a star performer for this country. Roxon is clearly leaving for personal reasons, Sales should know what it is like to have a child and what it is like to have to leave them when all they want is their mother. Just wait til her child is school age and she has to miss out on special days because of work commitments, I have been there, young children don't understand why mum has to go, and so I think her question was insenstive and mean spirited. Roxon has given so much of herself to the job.....it was crass.

Gillian

4/02/2013Thanks Ad, nice round-up on polls. "No one is suggesting that polls be ignored, just that they be credited only with what they are capable of doing, and individual polls lack predictive capability." I'd amend this to say "individual polls THIS FAR OUT lack predictive capability" because, of course, well-conducted polls close to the election DO have predictive capability. Two or three polls are better than a single reading, but even a single reading has predictive capability. And for the folks who wonder about Australian pollsters I can add that Newspoll has a good track record of polling accuracy over 25+ years.

DMW

4/02/2013LiR If you mean the Dear Mr Hockey link it opened ok for me in two different browsers (Chrome & Firefox) Maybe your ISP or Browser has been hijacked by the dreaded 'we will provide a faster wireless network monster' - just kidding :) Here it is again for another try http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2323-an-open-letter-to-joe-hockey-the-treasurer-in-waiting

Truth Seeker

4/02/2013Lyn, Thank you so much for your kind words and support, I am very happy that you like my blog and greatly appreciate your spreading the word. :-) :-) This year is going to be a busy one for all, politically, and your contributions will make it so much easier for the rest of us to keep on top of the truth, and the information that will help us defeat the purveyors of lies, spin and democratic vandalism. Keep up the great work :-) :-) Cheers :-)

Cuppa

5/02/2013I chuckle when I imagine Abbott "repsonding" to these questions. Before he got through the first five he'd be a wreck - head nodding back and forth, mouth opening and closing but emitting no sound. Eyes narrowed, hands closing to fists, rocking about on the balls of his feet. Surely this is the most empty-headed individual any major party has ever put up as a "leader". The Liberals should be embarrassed, but I doubt they know the meaning of the word.

Ad astra

5/02/2013Gillian I agree with your qualifying words; I have been saying for ages that individual polls are not predictive this far out from and election.

Ad astra

5/02/2013Folks Did you hear what Al Gore had to say about global warming last night on [i]Lateline[/i]? [i]EMMA ALBERICI: Here in Australia, we have a carbon tax, but our Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, who opinion polls say could well be prime minister by September, he's campaigning on a platform that would scrap the carbon tax on day one of his government. He also has no interest in the emissions trading scheme that was to follow. What's your message to him? AL GORE: Well, if I were a citizen of your country - I am not, so I don't wish to interfere in your politics - but I would certainly question the conclusion that public opinion polls are going to decide the outcome of an election so far away. I'm very impressed with your current prime minister. I think she's shown a great deal of courage and vision. And I think that Australians may look very carefully at the progress that has taken place and also look at the very powerful evidence that the climate crisis is having a very harsh impact on Australia, as predicted, as your own scientists have eloquently warned over and over again. So I have a great deal of faith and confidence in the people of Australia and will be watching along with others around the world as your election year unfolds. EMMA ALBERICI: Australia's conservatives prefer a direct action plan, planting trees and providing financial incentives for industry and farmers to reduce emissions. What do you think of that approach? AL GORE: Well, it didn't work here. It hasn't worked anywhere. And either we are serious about confronting this crisis or we are not. If we decided to give up on solving the climate crisis - I can't imagine that we will, but if we did, we would create a future in which the generations to come would look back at us and our time and ask, "What were they thinking? Didn't they care about us?" The fact that every single National Academy of Science on the planet says we've got to confront this. Every professional scientific society. 97, 98 per cent of the climate scientists. Mother Nature now speaking very loudly and persuasively in keeping with what the scientists predicted would unfold. We really have to rise to this challenge and I refuse to believe that we will not.[/i] I wonder how Tony Abbott and Greg Hunt would respond to Al Gore?

Gravel

5/02/2013Hi Lyn Welcome back, it is so good to see your 'face' here again. Many others on here over the break have done a great job with linking, and I just want to let them know I appreciate their efforts. Gypsy Thank you for those Twitter links, and look forward to you doing this again this year. I follow Ghost who Votes on twitter and see that he has released percentage of vote for who is best to handle........it was weird to read that the nopposition gained 5 points in all the Labor strong holds, was so very consistent that it stood out. Make of that what you will.

bob macalba

5/02/2013paul murray[i know a dickhead] but its worth watching Mark Latham tell it how it is, the other pair are the same as murray, dickheads especially the bald muppet that does sport normally but Lathams a champ http://www.skynews.com.au/video/?vId=3792950&cId=Programs&play=true cheers

Lyn

5/02/2013 TODAY’S LINKS Society of the Spectacles @MrDenmore, role of the media should be to challenge politicians http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/society-of-spectacles.html Uncertainty. by Nextness she took a decision. Being decisive is a good quality http://nextness.com.au/management/uncertainty/ letter to Mark Scott about Jon Faine from Margo Kingston Jon Faine is guilty of lapse in standards excerpt http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/my-open-faine-letter-to-mark-scott-margo-kingston/ Chaos’, or how to see the world like a political journalist @BernardKeane chaos”& “disarray” suffering “body blows http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/04/chaos-or-how-to-see-the-world-like-a-political-journalist/ In September will voters choose “the devil they know”? by @davispg real possibility Labor will win the election: http://ausvotes2013.com/ Been Had Before @madwixxy ridiculous theory is that Gillard called the election early because http://wixxyleaks.com/2013/02/04/been-had-before/ In confusion is profit: Abbott wants the ante, not the pot. by @BushfireBill Revenge & thuggery have been his lifelong http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/02/04/in-confusion-is-profit-abbott-wants-the-ante-not-the-pot/ Grattan the professor, but is she leaving The Age? @KnottMatthew joining The Conversation to become website’s chief political http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/04/grattan-the-professor-but-is-she-leaving-the-age Michelle Grattan joins University of Canberra and The Conversation by @sunanda_louise, “writing sensibly on this very exciting election” https://theconversation.edu.au/update-michelle-grattan-joins-university-of-canberra-and-the-conversation-11931 Who'd have thought- Michelle Grattan fronts own news conference by @1petermartin, http://www.petermartin.com.au/ Abbott's Figures Don't Add Up Ian McAuley, @newmatilda ,journalist Abbott is skilled in avoiding scrutiny http://newmatilda.com/2013/02/04/abbotts-figures-dont-add The Liberal Strategy @MigloCW prophet Abbott as the pedlar of fear http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/the-liberal-strategy/ Why voters seen the economy as in bad shape @1RossGittins the election date is unlikely to change much http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/02/why-voters-seen-economy-as-in-bad-shape.html An open letter to Joe Hockey, the Treasurer in waiting by @TheKouk, Your focus on surplus& debt is unnerving http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2323-an-open-letter-to-joe-hockey-the-treasurer-in-waiting Confessions of a News Junkie or Bye, Bye, Outdated Media, I've got a New Dealer Political news is distorted beyond all recognition @SpaceKidette http://spacekidette.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/confessions-of-news-junkie-or-bye-bye_3.html?spref=tw Australian Media Fuelling Doubt with Speculation Specfest @Kevin_Rennie, about perceptions: “impressions of chaos”, http://theaimn.com/2013/02/04/australian-media-fuelling-doubt-with-speculation-specfest/ Fear and loathing in Canberra by Graham Jackson, compliant media desperate to bring this minority Gov. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/fear-and-loathing-in-canberra/ Pyne retracts 'hurtful' Downfall comments @Simon_Cullen,I'm not necessarily apologising to Mark Dreyfus http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-04/pyne-retracts-27hurtful27-downfall-comments/4499406 A challenge to Tony Abbott on Craig Thomson by @SimonCopland, Abbott’s ridiculous idea someone can stop another MP from voting http://themoonbat.com/2013/02/04/a-challenge-to-tony-abbott-on-craig-thomson/ Rudd and Gillard’s leadership battle set to be turned into TV drama by Beyond @mumbrella http://mumbrella.com.au/rudd-and-gillards-leadership-battle-set-for-to-be-turned-into-tv-drama-by-beyond-137027 Mark Dreyfus - a tough act to follow by Andrew Herington, skills as a legal advocate to argue the case against climate sceptics http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/mark-dreyfus-tough-act-follow Perfect Timing by WhitWords Tony Abbott can’t maintain the facade of ‘positivity’ http://whiticisms.net/ The environment issues we should be hearing about at this election Ian Lowe ridiculous calls to wind back “green tape dishonestly suggesting http://newanthropocene.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/the-environment-issues-we-should-be-hearing-about-at-this-election/ Maybe climate change is closer than we think by @traceehutch, Jakarta is sinking. Literally http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-04/hutchison-maybe-climate-change-is-closer-than-we-think/4499620 CLASS TRAITOR: Live-on-the dole MP shuns cattle class @vexnews, seat is listed on Webjet at $737. One-way. http://www.vexnews.com/2013/02/greensparty-mp-adam-bandt-flew-qantas-business-class-in-seat-2a-melbourne-to-canberra-on-qf804- Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 5 February 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

Cuppa

5/02/2013[i]I wonder how Tony Abbott and Greg Hunt would respond to Al Gore?[/i] With the risible claim that the ABC is "leftist" for having Mr Gore on!

bob macalba

5/02/2013lots of trolls dropping in lately, nice and refreshed from the holidays, still trying to spin the same shite though, am interested to know...do they get paid by the hour ...paid by number of posts posted ...paid by number of people they annoy hope its the last one as nobody seems to be paying any attention to the knobs, ha farking ha trolls

Lyn

5/02/2013Good Morning Ad, Sorry Ad the Gravatar people are out to get me again. Would you delete the first post for me please. Hi Gravel thankyou for your nice words. Yes our little Gypsy girl is doing a fabulous job. :):):)

Michael

5/02/2013Consider another question for Tony Abbott. Abbott's wife Margie is on record as not wanting to give up working at her childcare centre, preferring should hubby become PM that the family live at Kirribilli House. When Parliament is sitting, leave alone that the PM's office and the day-to-day support structures of government are in Canberra, a long way from Sydney Harbour, Abbott will bed down at The Lodge. Margie's childcare centre will not close down for the times Parliament is sitting. Mrs PM will still need to live close to her job while Mr PM is in Canberra. Will the Australian taxpayer have to stump up for maintaining the cost of two prime ministerial households throughout the whole year? The daughters? Consider the daughters. They are unlikely to tramp back and forth to Canberra, either. So, when school holidays give Mrs PM a break from the childcare centre and she can go stay at The Lodge with hubby, will the nation have to pay for the upkeep of Abbott's three girls at Kirribilli House? You know the man. Check his expenses record of taxpayers' dollars gobbled up at a higher rate than anyone other than the real PM doing her real job as the nation's leader. "Abbott" is Orstralian, fair dinkum, for "sponge".

2353

5/02/2013Nice to see ABC Breakfast running Al Gore's comment on their "Newsbar" this morning. A comment on polling. Someone above made the comment that some media and blog sites run a number of polls where the LNP "win" by a large margin. If you cast your mind back to the 2010 election, for the majority of the campaign, the LNP was "destined" to win comfortably. I wonder if a lot of the commentary over the past three years about the Prime Minister's "right" to be in office is because the polls were consistently against her - leading to a skilful conservative campaign that "we wuz robbed". In evidence I offer Pyne on Q&A last night bemoaning that the Prime Minister has clung to power because of two independent MPs in "country non-Labor" seats who have consistently supported her. I hope that the Prime Minister does win again on September 14. I also hope she has a workable majority (without a re-elected Windsor and Oakschott). If she doesn't, I really don't think the Country can stand another three years of the LNP "we wuz robbed" campaign because the polls that were pointing to a win a far way out from polling day were wrong. Apparently the Republicans are still coming to grips with their polling being wrong last year.

Pappinbarra Fox

5/02/2013Bob at 8.16 It depends very much on their contractual arrangments Bob. Some will be paid by the post others willl be paid by the word and all will be paid out by right thinking people the globe over. Whether they are paid by the word or post will depend on their negotiation skills with their employer or master. They are a product of "time belong master" and certainly have the master/servant mentality.Kind of "born to rule" but in their case "born to serve" those who are "born to rule". I am sure it gives them great pleasure to spew out bile nonsense and see the result - which is why I never read the excresence. I nearly got caought earlier but after two lines I twigged and scrolled. I have noticed ocassional bile slipping through from people whose ideas I have admired. I would love for TPS to be a straight blog not a bent or crooked blog. Yeh I know our emotions do get the better of us from time to time but using derogatory terms to describe the enemy does not mean that the enemy IS those things - it just reflects on the person's capacity to use language appropriately. Now I have sometimes posted comments questioning the state of LOTOs psychological makeup. he is in the parlance "damaged goods". I try to base my comments in response to LOTO's actions and words. In other words I use the facts and then interpret them in a clinical fashion. I do not have to use mean spirited words to do this and I believe that all genuine TPSters are capable of doing the same. Trolls on the other hand are not that capable - because they are paid to be trashers.

2353

5/02/2013Bob @ 8:16 Surely you've seen those "I make $1000 a month working two hours a day at home - you can too" ads! Maybe if you're gullible enough to believe those ads, you're gullible enough to be a paid troll! Jest sayin. . .

Gillian

5/02/2013If Labor polls trend downards in the next couple of months, a leadship spill becomes almost certain. Rudd's electoral popularity would make it hard for LNP to win with Abbott at the helm. I like to think that if LNP lose this election they'll replace Abbott - won't that be refreshing! http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/rudds-support-for-a-challenge-edging-closer-20130204-2dumb.html

Ad astra

5/02/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

janice

5/02/2013If I was Labor in Office, I would sell Kirribilli House forthwith, if only to deny Abbott the residence should he get himself elected. The proceeds of the sale would go towards funding Gonski or NDIS. I know, I know, how mean can I get?

janice

5/02/2013BTW: Watch not only Tony Abbott ignores PM but Margie Abbott also ignores PM, probably under Peta’s instruction – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjl5Ykvb3M The above was posted on PB by The Finnigans. How bloody ignorant are the pair of them?

bob macalba

5/02/2013Pappinbarra Fox, cheers for the 'Troll rates' theory, i know the buggers get paid for their crap, thats not bile you will read in anything i comment, thats hate i throw out there, pure unadulterated hate, all sportsmanship goes out the window when the quality of my life is affected by decisions made by a bunch of self serving born to rule f@%#wits, no rules, no quarter given, thats not to say that i cant be civil when the occasion suits, but in this dog eat dog environment created incidentally by both msm and dog whistling tory[bastards] nice guys will finish last, im not expecting everybody to play hard but the ones that do are really just playing their part in keeping the troops focused, remember as John Lydon[johnnie rotten] once said 'anger is an energy'

janice

5/02/2013Gillian, [quote]I like to think that if LNP lose this election they'll replace Abbott [/quote] If the LNP think they can rid themselves of this mongrel they've gone along with to get their hands on to power, they're seriously deluded. Abbott will araldite himself to the chair and sack any of his party who attempt to ditch him. As far as the Labor leadershit is concerned, hell will freeze over before Rudd ever gets his hands on the top job again. All this furore is emanating out of LNP headquarters and spread throughout the airwaves by a rabid pack of media hyenas. I have heard Rudd on two occasions in the past week sincerely deny he's after the leadership and looked in the eye of the camera to tell his supporters he was not interested in anything else but to stop Abbott's march to the Lodge.

TalkTurkey

5/02/2013[b][u]Open Letter to Peter van Onselen[/u] Dear Professor van Onselen, On behalf of our Webmaster Ad astra and our many contributors, I formally invite you to participate in the discourse on Ad astra's blogsite The Political Sword.[/b] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [i][To bring up to speed those not yet across our correspondence to date: In brief, around New Year, Prof. Van Onselen (PvO) invited 3 Tweeps - GreensboroughGrowler (GG), Thefinnigans (Finnie) and me TT - at some stage to form a panel on his SkyTV show The Contrarians. It's a very fair offer I must say, despite the hisses of Beware Turkey it's a Trap! I do acknowledge the ultimate power of kill buttons, interruptions, editing and other tricks of the broadcaster's trade, to skew the tenor of any guest's intentions, an advantage which many of the shock jock brigade are only too happy to employ every day. All that has little bearing on my decision however. I have declined the offer for my own personal reasons, as has Finnie. GG has accepted as far as I know. By the way I have conferred with another Swordie who is prepared to take my place; I know from long experience he would be good value on Contrarians, so with one more Tweep, PvO will still be able to do his show. I do hope this happens. However in the process of declining I offered PvO the option of coming here to The Political Sword to debate with us. He has accepted, though with the proviso that he not be expected to spend excessive time here. That of course is understood anyway, the site is open to all of goodwill, for as much time, or as little, as one wishes.] [/i] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, Peter: - In the two-and-a-half years I have been associated with The Political Sword I cannot remember ANY contribution to the site from a mainstream journalist. One might be forgiven for imagining a tacit agreement amongst journalists not to assist the expansion of the Fifth Estate. Of course this would be a mere conspiracy fantasy... It seems to me that you Peter are one of the very few who has made much attempt to bestraddle the two, albeit I venture to suggest, based on a reading of some of your tweets, that you do not appear exactly comfortable on Twitter. That is not entirely criticism, there are aspects I do respect, for your having the feist to take Twitter on at all. But I would also opine that by my reading of your tweets and articles in the Australian -( not Contrarians, remember I have not seen any of your TV shows) - you seem very firmly on the OM side where it comes down to loyalties. I know that you claim your apparent leanings to the Right are in the nature of reaction to the dominance of the Left in the Twittersphere, but they are apparent just the same. I invite you to challenge this, my own perception, when you write some of your thoughts here. Whatever, as a result of the recalcitrance of journalists to embrace the new media, the intended meeting of minds on TPS is so unusual in its character as to necessitate some creative thinking as to how to "play this silly game" (GreensboroughGrowler) . Nevertheless, with mutual goodwill we can work it out as we go along. We should try to keep it light I think, this is a Friendly as far as I am concerned. But even in Friendlies one plays one's best. Anyway I reckon I know where to pitch the first ball: to the issue on which we first conversed on Twitter, the one subject above all others on which we of the Fighting 5th Estate most strongly criticize those of the Mainstream Media - namely, their perceived failure in investigative journalism, their perceived bias in many areas including the climate change issue, their perceived double standards as exemplified never so starkly as in their pursuit of Peter Slipper and Craig Thomson, while studiously ignoring what we now call Ashbygate. For their preoccupation with trivia, for example relating to our Prime Minister's perceived risibility, from her nose and earlobe length to her big bum and stumbling shoes. For their outrageous slanted front pages in newspapers, for their failure to condemn racist and sexist slurs - for any number of perceived inequities in dealings with the two sides of Politics, Prof. van Onselen, whatever might be your opinion of the 5th Estate, I ask that you suspend judgment of those who contribute to The Political Sword, for let me assure you that as a body we are sincere and passionate about the future of this country: not intellectually dishonest, personally disinterested, and essentially spinless (except perhaps wrt my own ebullience, which I know from your recent Tweets you would deem irrational, but there we differ). We have no use for skewed opinion, we just want Truth - facts, evidence! - and we are free to make judgments for ourselves. We are beholden to no-one - as distinct from paid journalists! - We say what we wish and what we mean. Nearly all who write on TPS frankly and proudly acknowledge their Leftish leanings, we do not pretend to impartiality, but we acknowledge difference of opinion in face of reasoned argument - a position I am sure you would support. In closing, let me assure you that you will be accorded the same respect and liberties Ad astra extends to all who visit here, but I would anticipate there will be a good deal of interest generated by a current member of the dreaded Fouth Estate, and surely that would be no bad thing. Yours sincerely "TalkTurkey" February 5. 2013 04:06 AM

bob macalba

5/02/20132353 Always wondered about those ads, a grand a month 2 hours a day from home, and heres me thinking those ads were for Gigolos and doctoring up my resume to suit, plan b back to pole dancing cheers

Pappinbarra Fox

5/02/2013Bob Actually Bob I was not thinking of you when I made my comments about bile. I do love righteous anger tho. Keep up the good work.

Tom of Melbourne

5/02/2013The commentary about “paid trolls” is hilarious – it simply undermines the last vestige of credibility for the commentators. Got any evidence of people who are paid to post comments? Or is fact free commentary just the norm here? Many seem to find speculation easier than actually addressing the political issues.

bob macalba

5/02/2013Cheers Pappinbarra Fox, and as a clever scribe keeps telling us 'VENCEREMOS'

bob macalba

5/02/2013So your being a dickhead for free? 'beat me' begged the masochist 'no way' laughed the sadist so i say to you 'unpaid' troll...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

MWS

5/02/2013Julie Bishop today said that the Federal Government should be in "caretaker mode" because the date of the election has been set. I'm pleased that Ms Bishop has devoted her incisive legal mind to this issue. In WA, the (Liberal) Premirt, Colin Barnett announced the date of the next election soon after he won the 2008 election. (WA does not have set terms enshrined in legislation). Using Julie Bishop's legal opinion that setting the date of the next election puts the Government in caretaker mode, I expect her to call Colin Barnett and tell him of her conclusion that ALL of his Government's decisions are null and void - because the Government was in caretaker mode for the entirety of his reign. In particular, Elizabeth Quay and the new football stadium cannot proceed. Or is this another case where the Liberals expect a Labor Government to keep to higher standards than the Liberals and Nationals? Yet another example of the Coalition trying to use the law for short term benefit without thinking of the long-term implications.

MWS

5/02/2013Sorry, forgot the link for my previous comment: http://www.news.com.au/national/libs-demand-say-in-decision-making/story-fncynjr2-1226570494302

LadyInRed

5/02/2013Janice @ 9:49 I watched that video its just plain bizarre. Not surprising though, afterall if he doesn't like the question he just walks off. But to do what he did is reminiscent of the Latham/Howard hand shake.....funnily I think that was the beginning of the end for Latham, or certainly it changed peoples perception of him.

Ad astra

5/02/2013TT Thank you for your comment. Let's see if PvO responds!

LadyInRed

5/02/2013Now bob macalba are you after the cranky pants award again? Or is it you just love wearing the bogan blue singlet? I wore mine out the other day and I can tell you it caused a stir, upper middle class bogan that I am. Mind you I was helping someone whose house was flooded but still I managed to pull of the bogan look quite well. I now have one with sparkles for the evenings, I call it my boganista look.

janice

5/02/2013LadyInRed, That video shows Abbott (and his Margie) up for the ignorant lowlifes they are. We all know he hates PM Gillard but he should be made to get down on his knees and apologise to the Australian people for treating the Prime Minister like dirt. The PM wouldn't want an apology from him or her, but as an Australian I feel insulted and if I had the power I would sentence him to 100 lashes. The man is beneath contempt.

Ad astra

5/02/2013janice We ought not to be surprised at Tony Abbott’s deplorable behavior. For him, it is the norm. We all should contemplate how much worse his behavior would be if he became PM, when, to use his words: ‘I would be the authority’. His arrogance and authoritarian behavior would be beyond our worst imaginings.

KHTAGH

5/02/2013I find it amasing that even though the Vic police came out & said yesterday they had made an error in the arrest warrant for Craig Thomson & he should not have been arrested as the request for him to Vic was for an interview only!! hence making it an illegal arrest. Where was the apology from the media that they have persecuted an MP for their evening news & nothing else, no mention of the fact anywhere on the news radio or TV. Have they(the police)in effect given the legal team for Craig Thomson an A grade reason for having the case thrown out of court due to the incompetent & illegal methods used by NSW police? & the public denigration of their client in the mass media leading to the inability of a fair hearing. It has happened in the past.

Ad astra

5/02/2013bob macalba Do you really believe anyone would hand over good money to our trolls to write their usual hogwash? MSW The Coalition will try on any stunt, and the media will uncritically repeat it, as Malcolm Farr has done.

janice

5/02/2013Ad astra. His behaviour does not surprise me, but it certainly does sicken me :( If voters do happen to be dumb enough to put him in govt, Australians all will have cause to "die from shame". Having said that though I can't see the people cutting their own throats come Sept 14 by ditching a good govt on the say so of a pack of lying weasels backed up by a rabid media pack.

42 long

5/02/2013Wonder what the reaction of murdoch will be to the operation of the Guardian and Global Maill in Oz? global needs a bit of oxygen but the Guardian ( who exposed murdochs problems in the UK, which lead to the Leveson inquiry) might cause some anxiety. The sooner the better I say and end this all powerfull monoploy of thought and spin,"managing" our views on everything Gillard. Wonder what contrived stunt will emerg in the first QT of the year, today? The behaviour of the parliamentary LieNP is MANIC. There is no other word for it. I would love to see a psychologocal assessment of Tony Abbott. I doubt his mental stability and fitness for the job he aspires to. I can't help despising the LNP for putting us at risk of having this out of control "Nutter". as a candidate for this important job. He will trash australias reputation as he has the protocols and principles of parliamentary procedure, justice and fair play. His "ruthlessnes" knows no bounds. His word is worthless.

janice

5/02/2013KHTAGH, [quote] Have they(the police)in effect given the legal team for Craig Thomson an A grade reason for having the case thrown out of court due to the incompetent & illegal methods used by NSW police? & the public denigration of their client in the mass media leading to the inability of a fair hearing. It has happened in the past.[/quote] We can but hope but I won't hold my breath. The whole witch hunt stinks to high heaven yet there are many people out here who've swallowed the lot and judged Thomson guilty.

Ad astra

5/02/2013Folks Writing in [i]Climate Spectator[/i], John Connor, CEO of The Climate Institute, says this: [i]”Warming oceans and atmospheres have loaded the dice for warmer, wilder and wetter weather events. Research released on Friday demonstrated the link between rising temperatures and extreme rainfall events, and supported warnings of more to come. “Meanwhile, the early climate positioning of the Coalition and the ALP was largely overshadowed by election announcements. “After earlier Romney-esque jokes about the carbon laws and climate change, the Opposition Leader on Thursday repeated the claim that “the rest of the world was not going anywhere near carbon taxes or emission trading schemes.” “This has been busted for some time, as our map of global action demonstrates. But in an unfortunate coincidence for the Coalition, the OECD had just released Taxing Energy Use: A graphical analysis. The OECD again exposed this myth and the Coalition’s other that somehow placing a price or tax on energy was unusual. “In fact the OECD found that in mid-2012 such actions, while varied, were widespread. “Within OECD countries, effective taxes on CO2 from energy range from €107 per tonne ($A140) in Switzerland, which is outside of the European Union’s trading scheme, to €2.80 ($3.70) in Mexico. The weighted average of all OECD countries is €27 ($35) per tonne. “Australia’s carbon price of $23 (€18) comes in near the bottom of the list of 34 countries – well below Japan, South Korea and the UK, among others. “Emissions trading schemes are going to start in China and South Korea, adding to existing schemes in the EU and New Zealand and those that began recently in California and Quebec. South Africa is introducing a carbon tax.[/i] http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/strap-yourself-climate-policy-rollercoaster?&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=175277&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary If you can access [i]Climate Spectator[/i], do look at the graph that displays these data. Australia is five steps from the bottom of a very long bar graph. [b]Tony Abbott is either misinformed, which is deplorable, or lying, which is more consistent with his past behavior.[/b]

Ad astra

5/02/2013janice I agree wholeheartedly.

Gillian

5/02/2013An oldie but goody re Turnbull's view of LNP Direct Action Plan - May 2011. Activists can get mileage from the fact that there are penalties for missing the 2020 target to reduce emissions by 5%. If we fall short we will have to purchase abatement permits on international markets to make up the 5%. That means we spend the money and other countries get the benefit. I'd MUCH rather see the money spent in Australia on energy efficiency and other measures. http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/jacktheinsider/index.php/theaustralian/comments/turnbull_blows_the_whistle_on_direct_action/

TalkTurkey

5/02/2013Jason Obelix is always very amused at any mention of Malcolm Farr because I refer to him as Mal Farcom. :) He got off easy. There's Abbortt and Turdball and Snotty Joe, Vampirella Trivioli Crassidy and the Jones Boys, Anal & Wormtongue! All proud examples of my nomenclatural talents. :) [b]But I still don't know why I am blocked on ABC24.[/b] If it's because of things like that on this modest medium, and broadcast names like Juliar on their monstrous media, I call them precious petals, but publicly-funded ones who are exercising political censorship against a member of the public. Which is pretty funny, and pretty unfunny at the same time I reckon. I have not found anybody else on Twitter who has been blocked by ABC24 though many including myself have been blocked by Leaky Burk and I have also been blocked by Leigh Sales. I wear ABC24's blocking me as a Platinum Medal be it said, I don't know why they have but I figure I must be pretty important to them eh! In fact I wear every person who blocks me as a bar to my Platinum ABC Medal, because I'd be ashamed of making [i]no[/i] enemies on Twitter. I don't think I've ever wronged anyone though, or if I ever have I've apologised sincerely. But every ordinary individual who does block me - I only know a few, less than ten - has the right to do so, too bad, but to be blocked by *Our* ABC is something else. I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING OBSCENE NOR DEFAMATORY OF ANYONE. Of this I am certain. Last night [i]Ashbygate[/i] - the greatest story of skulduggery and intrigue in Australia's political history - did not get a single mention on "Q&A"! "Questions And Answers", NOT! What do you-all think of that? If you haven't already read David Horton's take on the ABC a day or so ago (on the Watermelon Blog, sorry, I'm not going looking for link but it's easy to find) then you should. [b]*OUR* ABC is a full-on propaganda mouthpiece for the Far Right! [/b]

42 long

5/02/2013IF the abc was located at the dogs home it would be the FAR KENNEL. We who knew Auntie of old grieve for the poor relic of it remaining.' As I've said before it could never be right enough for the Party that is the australian arm of the Tea Party. A fully paid up subsidiary of Murchoch Reinhart the Clubs aust lobby, BIG TOBACCO Coal and Gas interests, The Catholic Church, Private Schools Inc. Manic destroyers of anything with the word "public" in it. Purveyors of privilege for the already privileged. They will sell it! Murdoch Rails against the BBC constantly, as "enemy of FREE speech"!!!. Wouldn't that be funny if it wasn't so serious?

LadyInRed

5/02/2013With regards to climate change. People need to realise that climate change will have a dramatic impact on our lives that can't be solved by simply turning up the heating or flicking on the air conditioner. I fear that many people really believe its just going to mean a bit of extra heat and cold, if they believe it at all. I was talking to some older people on the weekend and they really judge global warming on the outside temperature....."I remember it being even hotter when I was a kid, we used to sleep on the lino to keep cool". What can you say to that? The ice sheets are melting, the weather events are more frequent and more severe and last longer. Nope, don't want to believe it, eyes glaze over. So, it doesn't help that we give so much airtime and legitimacy to people who have counter arguments that are not peer reveiwed, and anecdotal twaddle, or written by people who receive funding from big oil or some other industry where they have money invested in business as usual. Or indeed someone who wants to be the next PM who will say and do anything to get what he wants. Our society is built heavily on communication & transport, water coming out of a tap & food just being available in the supermarket, flick a switch & we have light. If nothing else these big weather effects should bring home the severe effects on infrastructure and what that means. Shortages, water not being available, no telephone, no internet, roads closed and bridges washed away, people left homeless. We have had several events now, & they are getting bigger, effecting more people, costing more. And of course we have no right to ruin a planet that supplies us with our sustenance, a planet of beauty and conplexity that we should be respecting and not trashing.

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

5/02/2013 G'day all. [b]Twitterati: or what Tweeps are sayin':[/b] [i]FlashboardWars ‏@FlashboardWars[/i] Richard III? Found. Tony Abbott's costed policies? ..... Retweeted by Ross Bowler [i] Peter Clarke ‏@MediaActive[/i] There is now wide & legitimate interest in the neg "bias" findings v Jon Faine @774Melbourne w NO public ABC reasoning.@CUhlmann Alarming! [i]TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 ‏@Thefinnigans[/i] Before blogging & tweeting, #MediaWatch was useful for limited#FactChecking. Now it has reached its used by date, dont waste our 8c [i] Henny Penny ‏@penny_henny[/i] Is C Pyne the only Coalition MP making himself available to@ABCNews24 seems to be commenting on just about everything.#auspol [i]Jaden Harris ‏@Jaden189[/i] Julie Bishop says the government is now in "virtual caretaker mode" what? #Auspol [i]Victoria Rollison ‏@Vic_Rollison[/i] So I just saw an article by Mark Kenny in SMH counting numbers for a Rudd leadership challenge. I'm assuming the SMH website is broken. [i]Timothy Stuart ‏@Tim_stew[/i] BREAKING: Coalition ministry reshuffle puts Pyne as Climate Change Minister. Right, @BreakfastNews ? #auspol [i]Marian Rumens ‏@mrumens[/i] The only way #Australia will keep up with the rest of the world in commerce is by having the #NBN. #TonyAbbott will pull country down #MyLib [i]David Horton ‏@watermelon_man[/i] Have I understood - Barnaby Joyce says only those totally favouring Live Export can have anything to do with controlling it? #giantintellect [i]Lyn Bender ‏@Lynestel[/i] #abcrn Why are you flogging that old dead horse #counterpoint You have scrapped many programs why oh why #AmandaVanstone is incompetent [i]Marian Rumens ‏@mrumens[/i] Any Labor MP's leaking SHUT UP.You may not care if Labor loses but I BLOODY DO #DougCameron you may think what you say is important.i don't. [i]Claude Crowe ‏@ClaudeCrowe[/i] Rupert & Gina stick with Ruddstoration fairytale, not because they believe it but because it destabilizes govt and takes heat off their boy. [i] David Kirkpatrick ‏@daveyk317[/i] The MSM tactic is get a rigged poll, use it to create doubt, run with the #Leadershit story to destabilise, #Ridiculous Aussies not stupid [i]cjjosh ‏@cjjosh[/i] Has anyone asked Clive Palmer what he thinks about the early announcement of the federal election? #CliveMustRun [i]chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys[/i] So LNP seeks legal advice whether the Govt is in caretaker mode? Who they gonna call? George BrandisSC! Ho ho ho haa haa haa!#auspol [b]Twitterverse, or what Tweeps suggest you read: (apart from Lynnies Links :-))[/b] [i]newmatilda ‏@newmatilda[/i] Canberra gets back to business - and Gillard isn't in caretaker mode yet. @beneltham on a tumultuous week in #auspol http://ow.ly/hq76D  [i]Poynter ‏@Poynter[/i] How journalists can create better explainers: http://journ.us/11lHc1I "You’ve got to lose your sense of shame" & "embrace basic questions." Retweeted by Mark Colvin [i]“@BreakfastNews [/i] Al Gore: 'direct action' hasn't worked to reduce C02 emissions http://bit.ly/WnS8Gd ” <will this change your vote? It should. Retweeted by Denise [i]David Horton ‏@watermelon_man[/i] Whenever I write about the Decline and Fall of the ABC visitors flock to my blog http://wp.me/pT9cu-MC . People are concerned & angry about it [i]visivoz ‏@visivoz[/i] Al Gore - Abbott's Direct Action hasn't worked anywhere. Praises inspirational PM Gillard for action on #climatechangehttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-05/coalition27s-climate-policy-has-never-worked3a-gore/4500680 … [i]Laine ‏@Lain_Bee[/i] Abbott the end of an independent Australia http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/abbott-the-end-of-an-independent-australia/ … Expand  [i]Stephen Tuck` ‏@Imagine4756[/i] Meddling MP fuels Liberal row Nepotism in #MyLiberalhttp://www.theage.com.au/victoria/meddling-mp-fuels-liberal-row-20130118-2cz0w.html … via @theage #vicpol #auspol#ausvotes [i] Ross Bowler ‏@BowlerBarrister[/i] #CriminalLaw Andy Coulson & Rebekah Brooks to face trial in September 2013 on charges linked to phone hacking scandalhttp://buff.ly/WKqOTU  [i]Ross Bowler ‏@BowlerBarrister[/i] Some people may think Julie Bishop has a problem with honesty@frankellyabc @RNBreakfast @woolkebbhttp://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bishop-in-new-plagiarism-episode/story-e6frg6n6-1111117862395 … [i]Preston Towers ‏@prestontowers[/i] Yeah, Kevin Rudd is appearing on Sunrise again. Let's make him PM because he gets along with Kochie! http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/numbers-shifting-back-to-rudd-20130204-2duq0.html … [i]Malcolm Fraser ‏@MalcolmFraser12[/i] Coalition refugee plan in legal doubt. We are already in breech international law. http://www.theage.com.au/national/-2dulb.html … Retweeted by Rich O'Connor [i]margo kingston ‏@margokingston1[/i] Our Paper's page 1 lead now Hospital advises parents they'll have to pay for their… http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/hospital-advises-parents-theyll-have-to-pay-for-their-childs-clinical-consumables/story-e6freoof-1226567734374 …, see morehttp://tweetedtimes.com/margokingston1  [i]Jeremy de Korte ‏@jdk_music[/i] 16 Quotes From Tony Abbott to Remind You Why He Shouldn’t Be Prime Minister http://wp.me/p2lRqg-4m  via @wordpressdotcom #auspol#libspill

bob macalba

5/02/2013LiR....'boganista' hee hee hee, went and had a 'snickers' all good now Ad...your right, only a fool would pay for that crap, so its back to my 10:53am post for the answer cheers

TalkTurkey

5/02/2013From Twitter ... Probably posted before, if so oh well good. [i]Kanga Pops‏@KangaCourt2 @margokingston1 have seen this interview? Craig Thomson talks about his dramatic arrest http://media.smh.com.au/national/selections/craig-thomson-details-humiliating-strip-search-4006621.html …[/i] Retweeted by margo kingston

TalkTurkey

5/02/2013Bacchus Silenus? Bacchus? Dionysus? Which was who? Can you apprise us? Anyway of all the Bacchanalian pictures I could find, none looked like Bacchus himself, I assure you, except yon Silenus. That's the old boy to the life. Believe me.

Ad astra

5/02/2013Hi Lyn I’ve now read your links – all interesting and informative. Thank you. Wasn’t it a tame QT today – with the Opposition trying to be on its best behaviour!

Ad astra

5/02/2013Janet I'll read your Twitterati later.

LadyInRed

5/02/2013Does anyone know what Tony said to get the speaker so upset in QT? And also Julie Bishop got told to leave after question or Bourke would throw her out?

jane

5/02/2013Great post Ad astra as usual. I have had ongoing infuriating internet connectivity problems for the last 5 or so weeks, which have finally been diagnosed as a faulty modem, so will make this comment brief. IMO, Warren Truss adds more pollution to the atmosphere than the recent bush fires, volcanoes and AGW every time he opens his ignorant, arrogant fatuous gob. As for Liealot's silence on how his DAP will work, I assume it's because he, and the rest of the Liars losers have absolutely no idea IF it will work, let alone how.

Bacchus

5/02/2013 TT Bacchus? Roman name for the god Dionysus. Dionysus? Greek name for the god Bacchus. Silenus? Friend or foster father to Bacchus/Dionysus. One tale tells of King Midas being kind to Silenus so Bacchus/Dionysus granted him a wish...

Bacchus

5/02/2013[quote]"Have they(the police)in effect given the legal team for Craig Thomson an A grade reason for having the case thrown out of court due to the incompetent & illegal methods used by NSW police? & the public denigration of their client in the mass media leading to the inability of a fair hearing. It has happened in the past."[/quote] I hope not KHTAGH - I'd rather see the case thrown out due to lack of evidence. If Mr Thomson is cleared on a legal technicality, he will have even less chance of clearing his name. People will say, "He's as guilty as sin - he just got off because of bad police work."

Lyn

5/02/2013Hi Ad, Glad you read the link article's today there was some excellent work by the bloggers. QT was quiet but I think only because half hour taken up about the floods. Anna Bourke told Christopher Pyne to stop screaming across the chamber. Joe Hockey made a fool of himself with 3 or 400 pages he asked for them to be tabled. Then Anna was extremely annoyed with Abbott for something he said, see below: Olivia Illyria ‏ I will furiously be checking into Hansard tomorrow. Olivia Illyria ‏ HarryJ_MP Do you know what he said? Harry Jenkins‏ Just more personal attack after being told to shut up. Olivia Illyria ‏ Harry Jenkins said it was 'personal' http://bit.ly/11m7MYx It's game on: Julia Gillard v Tony Abbott in first Question Time of 2013 after federal election called http://www.news.com.au/national/its-game-on-julia-gillard-v-tony-abbott-in-first-question-time-of-2013-after-federal-election-called/story-fncynjr2-1226570838581 Coalition's 'caretaker' claim dismissed The Australian reported today that the Coalition is seeking to block investment from Labor's $10 billion climate change fund until the election is decided. Coalition finance spokesman Andrew Robb and climate spokesman Greg Hunt wrote to the fund's directors yesterday to tell them the election announcement meant they should avoid signing contracts to release the funds. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalitions-caretaker-claim-dismissed/story-fn59niix-1226570870547 :):):):)

Bacchus

5/02/2013On the other hand, if he is actually guilty, I'd like to see them throw the book at him...

jane

5/02/2013ToM, there is no carbon tax which you continually and conveniently ignore. That there is no carbon tax has been confirmed by my taxation agent. However, as it appears that you have knowledge no taxation expert seems to have, perhaps you can enlighten us all by advising the rate at which the carbon tax is calculated. Is it based on income? Then I'm sure we'd all be agog for your explanation as to why it does not appear on receipts for fuel for example or as a component on any accounts for utilities, phone bills, car repairs or indeed any other accounts. After all, if it's a tax, we can logically expect to know how much we will pay. Gillard did not "knife" Rudd. No one person could have removed Rudd. Caucus had to consent to it and as we saw last year, Gillard has 70%+ support of Caucus, so although Rudd knifed Gillard, his reward was still a backbench seat. Epic fail again.

janice

5/02/2013Agnes Mack‏@AgnessMack .@phonytonyabbott Mal Farr says Abbott said to Speaker, “You’re just trying to protect him (Dreyfus)” , a very serious reflection on Chair. In case this hasn't been posted yet. Apparently J.Bishop had a run-in with The Speaker after QT, refused to stfu and got turfed out - she was ranting about the same topic of Dreyfus and the out of order question

LadyInRed

5/02/2013And the cranky pants award goes to Jane for her post at 4:21pm, even under harsh conditions (problamatic modem) she got her point accross in a precise and appreciatively cranky manner and most important contained a bit of a laugh, without being offensive.

LadyInRed

5/02/2013[i]Burke, clearly angered, turned to Ms Bishop and said "You leave now or I will throw you out". Earlier Mr Abbott advised his MPs at a regular meeting to avoid being snide in political debate. [/i] http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-julie-bishop-scolded-by-speaker/story-fncynjr2-1226571038855

janice

5/02/2013LadyInRed :) Go Jane. :):

Cuppa

5/02/2013[i]Wonder what the reaction of murdoch will be to the operation of the Guardian and Global Maill in Oz? global needs a bit of oxygen but the Guardian ( who exposed murdochs problems in the UK, which lead to the Leveson inquiry) might cause some anxiety. The sooner the better I say and end this all powerfull monoploy of thought and spin,"managing" our views on everything Gillard. [/i] The right wing mouthpices (the Bolt-Akerman-Jones types) used to go on and on with outrage because "lefties" such as Philip Adams and Terry Lane "dared" to publish or air their views in the media. Apparently (I say apparently because I don't read him, but do hear about his obsessions second hand) the existence of [i]The Age[/i] and Their ABC still provokes from Bolt an ongoing trickle of bile as he rails ideologically against media outlets that publish political views at odds with his own. Given that history it's more than likely the right wing mouthpieces will be particularly hostile to [i]The Guardian[/i] when she comes to town. I hope the good folk at [i]The Guardian[/i] have been warned of what they're likely to expect when entering the redneck media space of Australia. It'll be fierce! For a long time now the right wingers have basked in comfort and security in their hermetic media echo chamber. For a new "politically incorrect" (according to the wingnuts) player to abruptly intrude on that comfort zone will put the cat among the pigeons to an extent we've maybe not seen before in the media in this land. I can see heads blowing all over the place. :D

LadyInRed

5/02/2013Cuppa love it - hermetic media echo chamber.

42 long

5/02/2013IF Thomson is guilty he should get an appropriate level of punishment like any other person. The question I would pose at this juncture is that at the moment he has been found guilty of NOTHING. yet he has also been humiliated, vilified prejudged driven to the edge of desperation subjected to public pillorying, invasion of privacy, probably more than even Lindy Chamberlain. As we should be thoroughly ashamed of how Chamberlain was treated. we don't learn , we do the same thing to Thomson, why? Because a section of society want's to gain political power and are prepared to treat this man in a way no-one in a civilised country should be subjected to. Who in this situation are the REAL criminals? Many say this is only happening because of the fact that there is a "hung" parliament. How does that excuse it? What reason but overwhelming desire for something, did Lance Armstrong do what he did? Tony Abbott and his mob want government so desperately that they will defame slur destroy reputations LIE, send people bankrupt, push them to the brink of suicide, prostitute proper process. How is Tony abbott so different to Lance Armstrong? HE ISN'T I would argue that Thomson has already suffered a puinshment that would be far in excess of what would be appropriate for (if he has) Misused a credit card. Have a look at what Tony books up. Discounting overseas travel about 3 times as much as Julia. Hundreds of dollars a day when riding his bike. Costs to promote his book. Justify the recent trip to Oxford. He has no conscience and is a massive hypocrite. Not PM Material.

LadyInRed

5/02/201342 long And then there was todays stunt in parliament. Over 600 printed pages, wastage of resources, trees, water, people power, manufacturing power all wasted to score a supposed political point. And lets not forget Tony's stop the waste mantra. Its a farce is what it is. People around the world suffering untold political descrimination and we have this stupid waste of tax payers money and time, as well as the planets finite resources being wasted just to pull a stunt.

2353

5/02/2013LiR - lets do our own stunt. Do you want to send Hockey the bill for a box of paper (about $25 for Reflex at Officeworks) or will I? You're right - its waste pure and simple and needs to be called out. Has the Guardian announced a commencement date yet? I for one am looking forward to seeing some real competition and a somewhat less biased viewpoint. And Bob - I hope you took the line about the 2 hours a day job as the joke it was intended to be.

42 long

5/02/2013Not just the paper either. What about the staffer's time? That all would have had to be pretty cocher in case Albo let him table it, and they went through the lot. Is "Slim" Hockey going through some strife with eight reduction" He looked positively MEAN today. We have an election date and they still want to kick them out, Like some mean dog pack that is a bad breed and keeps on biting people. I hope someone kept a copy of Gillards speech to Michelle Grattan. Landed a few back on her.

Sir Ian Crisp

5/02/2013[quote][b] As far as the [u]Labor leadershit[/u] is concerned... janice [/b][/quote] You said it and I would like to add "Amen to that".

Jason

5/02/2013As far as the Labor leadershit is concerned... janice I was unaware Sir Ian's name was mentioned as a possible contender!

bob macalba

5/02/20132353 and visa versa.... myself as a gigolo or a pole dancer..pure horror story folks , not a pretty picture at all

Ad astra

5/02/2013jane Thank you for your comment. It's good to see you back.

janice

5/02/2013Jason, Nah, Labor doesn't recognise knights in any kind of armour.

Sir Ian Crisp

5/02/2013[quote][i]As far as the Labor leadershit is concerned... janice I was unaware Sir Ian's name was mentioned as a possible contender! Jason [/i][/quote] Jokes are funny when I make them, not you.

bob macalba

5/02/2013Polly Toynbee really cuts loose on gay marriage debate UK, gives the tories a good rant, sad to admit though Labor not putting to much of an effort in here in Oz http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/gay-marriage-debate-uncovered-nest-of-bigots cheers

bob macalba

5/02/2013The results caused by an ancient outdated amendment http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2013/feb/04/us-gun-violence-deaths-years-lost-periscopic shocking stats,

bob macalba

5/02/2013Using anger in a positive way, some disabled artists from Finland http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/video/2013/feb/04/the-punk-syndrome-clip-video gonna Google the finish cheers

bob macalba

5/02/2013Googled that disabled punk band from Finland, man they are seriously angry, its worth having a bo-peep, but must warn of the swearing, they seem to be taken seriously though.

Shirley

5/02/2013Ad Thank you for a very timely first year article. A lot to think about after this summer of disasters. With the UK experiencing record floods and cold it is truly a global issue. Al Gore last night on Lateline gave our PM a glowing endorsement for her work. I wonder for how long the right can continue to dominate the debate. Silly question for as long as multinationals companies make more money from carbon intensive industries then low intensity alternatives. It is really a question of money. This year is certainly going to be an interesting one and I am looking forward to a Labor victory, a TA loss and or resignation. Will be priceless. I for one am keeping away from MSM this year.

LadyInRed

5/02/20132353 That's a great idea lets send @JoeHockey a bill, can you knock one up? It must have taken an admin person at least half a day and several cartridges of ink. I've already called him out on it several times on twitter....waste waste waste.

LadyInRed

5/02/2013Jason this ones for you and all the other TPS bogans and boganistas. http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/the-longest-election-the-drinking-game/

LadyInRed

5/02/2013I reckon Tones has had botox, whiteout on the eyebrow area, lip gloss and fake tan. Yuk! But oh no the MSM - not a word. But the PM puts on a pair of glasses and everyone i a fashionista expert. http://ht.ly/hqCop

Bob Lloyd

5/02/2013Great article and wonderful set of probing questions. I hope that when the respective Climate Change Ministers and Shadow are on Q and A these questions will be put to Greg Hunt.

DMW

5/02/2013AusVotes 2013 Election - policy wonkage and much more http://ausvotes2013.com/

Jason

5/02/2013LIR, I think I played it during question time today lol!

jane

5/02/20132353 @8.36pm, interesting that Prissy doesn't seem to have grasped the fact that Windsor and Oakeshott's electorates are in fact [b]non-Liars Party electorates[/b], so what's the idiot's point? A friend tonight characterised Prissy as a stirrer. I had to counter with facts; that Prissy is a fool and a liar who, along with Liealot, Hockey, Brandis and the rest of that rotten coven, will hopefully be dragged from Parliament House under close arrest for attempting to pervert the course of justice and attempting by improper means to bring down a lawfully elected government. I further trust that when this occurs, Craig Thomson will boot each and every one of these scumbags where it hurts most. FFS, listed among the ludicrous and flawed charges by FWA, is using the credit card to watch movies in his hotel rooms while away from home on Union business. I believe he has also been accused of buying icecreams. Has there ever been a more sorry affair? I hope Craig and his lawyer wipe the floor with the bastards. LIR, I humbly accept your cranky pants award and promise to place it in a prominent place and dust it often. lol 42 long @6.28pm, hear hear! Thanks Ad astra, it's good to be back. With luck, I will be able to connect my new modem to the antenna, experience no more internet difficulties and never have to negotiate the labyrinth of the modern telco again.

Jason

5/02/2013jane, It's good to. see you back! you've been missed.

jane

6/02/2013Thanks, Jason. It's been very frustrating during the last few weeks with dodgy internet access. Hopefully next week internet will be fully restored with a properly functioning modem.

TalkTurkey

6/02/2013Margo is Marvellous! As are the journalists she is working with to uncover Truth. Jon Faine on his Melbourne ABC radio show was the first of the MSM journalists to nosepoke Abbortt on matters of fact, before Leigh Sales on ABC TV and Lisa Wilkinson on 9 I think. He is a quick and incisive interviewer who doesn't take nor talk crap. He has been infamously treated by ABC Management, but join the dots Folks, the whiteants are right through the ABC building and there is a plague of rats in the basement. margo kingston‏@margokingston1 EXCLUSIVE: @ABCaustralia hides reasons for #JonFaine apology: Who's wearing Kafka mask at the ABC by @MediaActive http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/who-is-wearing-the-kafka-mask-at-the-abc/aliansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/who… … [b]The single factor that stands between the Government holding office and the disastrous alternative is ABC RIGHT-WING BIAS![/b] I do hope the problem is being addressed at the very highest level!

bob macalba

6/02/2013The way i read it is..we know that you know what we are doing, but we are going to ignore you all and do it anyway, now seeing as the ABC is owned by all Australians equally why cant we have a say on whats going on, how on earth do we the shareholders dump the board? would any inquiry into our media include the ABC? how can we organize a mass demand for something to be done as soon as possible, a coordinated assault to the relevant people by as many as possible on the same day, if no result next day the same thing same next again and so on, im pretty sure some result could come out of it the more people made aware the better i would think, if we can clog there systems with our demands on a continuous basis surely something will have to be done. just a thought

bob macalba

6/02/2013They sure like police 'overkill' these tory premiers, lucky Reiths not advising in any way or it could have been the army as well http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/grocon-police-overkill-20130205-2dwnv.html

Michael

6/02/2013Read this: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-real-tony-bona-fide-top-bloke-or-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-20130205-2dwdr.html about the "real Tony". "Three years" would be the least of Australia's problems.

Ad astra

6/02/2013Bob Lloyd Welcome to [i]The Political Sword[/i] family, and for your comment. Do come again. The sad reality that almost no one in the MSM will ever ask such pointed questions. The MSM comprises largely compliant Coalition wimps. Shirley Thank you for your comment. On [i]Lateline[/i], Al Gore did give a ringing endorsement of the PM and her approach to global warming, and the thumbs down to the Coalition’s DAP. But was this reported anywhere other than on the ABC? I didn’t see it. This is how the MSM operates – it simply declines to give exposure to anything with which it disagrees.

Doug Evans

6/02/2013Good article good questions but: No one in the MSM has seriously attempted to question Abbott on climate change. I don't see this changing and what he BELIEVES is of minor importance relative to what he will (I believe) DO should he become PM. What he will attempt to DO on climate change (irrespective of what he BELIEVES)is exactly what he has said he will do. Repeal all measures taken under the Clean Energy Futures legislation aimed at promoting renewable energy and pricing carbon pollution. This he will do, not because he has told the Australian people he will do it, but because he has PROMISED his backers in the mining industry he will do it. Yielding to industry and conservative state governments he will water down the Renewable Energy Target to preserve the value of fossil fuel fired energy generating assets they are hoping to sell. We will hear nothing about his DAP after his election (should it occur). This has never been more than a Band Aid for the consciences of wavering small 'l' Liberal voters and possibly one or two back benchers - see we have a plan we are doing something. What evidence do I have for these assertions? He has already appointed as his chief industry advisor Maurice Newman a climate change denier who hates renewable energy. His good friend Ms Rinehart, sensing good times ahead and looking to expand into CSG and shale oil, has bought a substantial chunk of Lakes Oil which owns many exploration licences in Victoria. She has appointed Ian Plimer and Alexander Downer to the Board surely a significant pointer to what Abbott will DO? Climate denier and Liberal Party stalwart joining forces? Mining company donations to the LNP have surged from around $150,000 in 2004/5 to around $3 million in 2010/11 mostly from WA. Rationally unpicking Abbott's betrayal on climate change with questions he will never have to answer is reassuring to people like me but is irrelevant to the dynamics of power playing out on Canberra currently which have nothing to do with rational thought. They are also irrelevant to the 10% or so of Australian voters who will, it seems increasingly likely, chuck out this Labor government later this year and replace them with Attila the Hun. By the way KTAGH. If you read this the source of the idea that Newspoll left out QLD and Victoria from their latest effort was a comment from Andrew Elder at the tail of his latest. I queried him about his source but he has neither published my comment nor responded to the query. If it happened it is BIG news but would NewsPoll really gamble their credibility on such a move?

Lyn

6/02/2013TODAY’S LINKS Warning: This story contains hubris and personal snideness @gabriellechan, a phony war. It is about bringing the House of Gov. down http://gabriellechan.com/2013/02/05/warning-this-story-contains-hubris-and-personal-snideness/ The Geek on ‘What Happened to our ABC?’ charter forced upon it by the Howard government, @crazyjane13 , http://consciencevote.com.au/2013/02/05/reblog-the-geek-on-what-happened-to-our-abc/ Is the Australian Government in caretaker mode? @Drag0nista, tool to question legitimacy of Gillard minority Gov. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/02/05/is-the-australian-government-in-caretaker-mode/ Hold your horses; we’re not in caretaker just yet by M Nash,date doesn’t actually automatically put Gov. into caretaker mode http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/02/05/hold-your-horses-were-not-in-caretaker-just-yet/ The Australian economy under Abbott: a (rough) Crikey guide @BernardKeane Coalition its direct action policy is grossly underfunded http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/05/the-australian-economy-under-abbott-a-rough-crikey-guide/ Abbott the end of an independent Australia Rodney E. Lever @ngungun Murdoch already has Tony Abbott in his pocket. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/abbott-the-end-of-an-independent-australia/ Oh please, shoot me now! by @MigloCW Ashbygate affair it was definitely off limits excerpt http://theaimn.com/2013/02/05/oh-please-shoot-me-now/ Who is wearing the Kafka mask at the ABC? @geeksrulz, growing call for clarity around this affair. http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/who-is-wearing-the-kafka-mask-at-the-abc/ Canberra Gets Back To Business @beneltham Cabinet have clear set of guidelines on convention http://newmatilda.com/2013/02/05/canberra-gets-back-business The Operation of Caretaker Conventions by @AntonyGreenABC http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2013/02/the-operation-of-caretaker-conventions.html#more Governing in a campaign year: what next for policy in 2013? by Nicholas Barry, Labor Gov. has managed to pass significant reforms http://theconversation.edu.au/governing-in-a-campaign-year-what-next-for-policy-in-2013-11898 SERIOUSLY by @NickFeik coming the day after Tony Abbott warned colleagues against hubris. http://www.themonthly.com.au/politicoz Fixed Term by Mungo MacCallum Gillard has snatched away one of the press gallery’s favourite toys http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog-fixed-term-mungo-maccallum-7453 I think a budget surplus is important to myself and my country but I approve of the budget being in deficit” by Gordon http://gordonsthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/i-think-a-budget-surplus-is-important-to-myself-and-my-country-but-i-approve-of-the-budget-being-in-deficit/ The captain’s pick by Frank Bongiorno, how Labor sees itself governing an anxious country http://inside.org.au/the-captains-pick/ A Coalition game of intimidation @Danielbpalmer because they think they’ll win the election excerpt http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/coalition-game-intimidation Thomson breaks his silence about HSU case and his future by @eleanorhall1 http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2013/s3683455.htm PS shake-up among Opposition policies by PS News, Every agency & service would be impacted http://www.psnews.com.au/Page_psn3471.html PhonyTonyAbbott - the truth about Tony Abbott http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/lies-and-deceptions/lies-deceptions Not absolutely everything is the NBN’s fault Michael Wyres, no doubt drive good folks at NBN Co mad http://michaelwyres.com/newsdesk/article.php?hash=dbfdf00a07d2760e22be16f1ec176eae Easy solutions and complex realities, @GrogsGamut, Prime Minister who acknowledged the complexity of the issue and Tony Abbott who delivered the spin http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4502492.html Guardian Australia funder says site will usher in era of open journalism, Radio National Open journalism includes reporting that seeks ‘input’ from its readers and also looks to ‘develop a conversation’ around its stories, he said http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/guardian-launches-australian-digital-edition/4500922 QT 5/2/1QT 5/2/13 The highlights of Question Time in the House of Representatives, brought to you by The Conscience Vote http://goo.gl/YsWCe Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 6 February 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

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6/02/2013Folks In the last few days we have seen a cascade of events, some favourable to Labor, some adverse, so much so that Labor supporters may despair. Julia Gillard got the Labor year off to a sound start at the NPC with one of the best addresses she has given, beginning as it did with an array of economic facts that this nation, this Government, needs to take into account in any planning it undertakes. It was reality based. Only when this background was described, did she talk of the aspirations and plans of her Government. The address attracted very little criticism, even from the MSM. It managed though to obscure its central messages by focusing on issues of greater import, such as her new glasses, and the early announcement of election date, and burying any intelligent comment in a few desultory sentences. Tony Abbott’s NPC address attracted more attention, not because of its vacuousness, but because it heralded the arrival of the New Positive Tony, posing as an alternative PM instead of the snarling attack dog he has been since 2010. The ‘bombshell’ of Craig Thomson’s flagrantly stage-managed arrest that conveniently arrived while he was taking questions, courtesy of Sabra Lane, gave a smirking Abbott a god-sent opportunity to lambast Thomson and of course Julia Gillard for her ‘habitual’ poor judgement in running a Thomson ‘protection racket’. Then followed sundry adverse events: a poor [i]Newspoll[/i] result that captured the media for over twenty-four hours, and evoked yet more predictions of doom for Labor and unnecessarily defensive remarks by Labor parliamentarians, notably Doug Cameron. Festering in the background was the ICAC inquiry and the ubiquitous Obeids, with the media and the Coalition repeatedly linking them with ‘the Labor Brand’, and yesterday, and again today, much was made of the revelation that a decade ago some Federal Labor parliamentarians enjoyed hospitality at the Obeid’s Perisher chalet. Labor supporters, who must have wondered when the adverse publicity would cease, were further dismayed by the reported leaks from Labor ranks of vote counting for a return of Kevin Rudd, despite his denial of any such move outside the church service that is held at the beginning of each parliamentary year. To me, the irritations of the other events paled into insignificance compared with the subversive behaviour of some Labor parliamentarians in back-grounding journalists against the PM. This is treasonous and stupid. Do these people not realize that each time they do this, they gift Tony Abbott with an opportunity to attack the PM, and erode confidence in her and her Government in the public mind. If only they knew how livid Labor supporters are at their behaviour, how incensed they are at their seditious actions, they might desist, although their mindless intransigence may preclude this. Does anyone know who these shadowy people are? Despite all these adverse events and the bad publicity they evoke in a media eager to disseminate them, we know they will soon fade from public consciousness, and hopefully give the PM some clear air to get on with governing. Despite the attempt yesterday by the Coalition to present a new positive face in QT, the underlying nastiness was there for anyone with unbiased eyes to see. The question directed by Julie Bishop to A-G Mark Dreyfus (a Jewish parliamentarian) about the legality of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, was a deliberate attempt to embarrass and trap him. It was ruled out of order by the Speaker, as the matter was not in the portfolio area of the A-G. This evoked a retort from Abbott: ‘you are trying to protect him’, which Anna Burke forced him to withdraw. When Bishop tried after QT to argue the toss with her, she threatened to throw her out if she didn’t leave voluntarily. This episode did not get much media attention, but exemplifies the nastiness that simmers under the surface, which will erupt repeatedly in the months ahead no matter how much the media pretends that we now have a shiny new positive alternative PM. [b]An attack dog remains an attack dog for life. An tumultuous year awaits use – we must use it to good effect.[/b]

42 long

6/02/2013Great informative post, Doug Evans. You have exposed what Tony really believes. The reality if climate change is not subject to "beliefs". It is there or it isn't. I trust the experts over an equal number of voters who are being fed disinformation by Bolt Monkton Plimer Murdoch.etc. Check the supporters/ fund contribitors of Abbott to see who he has to reward ( payback) and BE AFRAID of Australia under this wrecker.

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6/02/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

Bacchus

6/02/2013[quote]These surveys were conducted on the telephone by trained interviewers in all states of Australia and in both city and country areas. Telephone numbers and the person within the household were selected at random. The data has been weighted to reflect the population distribution. Note that areas directly affected by flood and bushfire have been excluded. The latest survey is based on 1163 interviews among voters. The maximum margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points. Copyright at all times remains with Newspoll. More poll Information is available at www.newspoll.com.au[/quote]

bob macalba

6/02/2013Doug Evans.. agree with 42 long good analysis, why on earth do people trust Abbort, Lyn..on song as per usual, thankyou for all the links cheers

bob macalba

6/02/2013Bacchus. 'note that areas directly affected by flood and bushfire have been excluded' so glad you got that bit of info out there, so many people huffing and puffing saying that wasnt the case, ie 'can you back that up with a link' etc, now you have cheers also this service by newspoll Drive strategy in your business with end to end research. Backed by reliable Newspoll techniques. does reliable Newspoll techniques involve skullduggery and dodgy information 'techniques' it is news ltd after all,

Gravel

6/02/2013Bacchus How can the telephone numbers be 'random', when at the same time, they exclude fire and flood areas?

bob macalba

6/02/2013criticism and critique clique yeah

Lyn

6/02/2013Good Morning Ad You are such a nice person Bob thankyou. Hey I have to tell you how much I enjoy your posts, you are delightful, love your opinion, enjoy all the information. Ad Astra would you tell me please, which keys do I use to search an article for particular words. You told me once before and now I can't find my note. You see I need to know because Katharine Murphy posted these Liberal Policies on Twitter to Dragonista . Note the staggering amount of "I Will", We Will", they don't look like Policies to me:- Take a look: Coalition policies: http://ausvotes2013.com/coalition-policies/ :):):)

TalkTurkey

6/02/2013There is so much good writing happening here and on simpatico sites now! I am close to overload. But I've never felt the Sociosphere so strong before. Strong, but not yet exactly [i]powerful[/i]. (Power being the ability to exert force: so, a bridge is not powerful, an engine is.) We must find ways of using our information networks, our ways with words, and our strong convictions, to change community perceptions of the Government, so sullied and distorted by the MSM. So glad to see Jane, Cuppa, Janice, 42 Long, 2353, Doug Evans, Michael, Bob, Jason, KHTAGH, Janet, Ken, Gillian, James Adelaide, P. Fox, LiR, MWS, Archie Archive, N'ellie May, Casablanca, all on this thread alone, any other Goodwillians that I've missed, regulars and newies all, ready to do battle. I get more fun out of ignoring the few discordant notes these days than I do in responding. But I [i]value[/i] their very presence actually: for as exposure to the ambient microbes in the environment helps us to develop physical resistance, so do these human germs help to make us hardy. Glad to see that nobody gets upset at them any more. I am very proud to be one of the Comradeship of The Sword. As fine a body of people as you would find anywhere. And then there's Lyn! :)

TalkTurkey

6/02/2013Shirley! I knew I'd missed someone really important! :)

TalkTurkey

6/02/2013And Bacchus! I thought I'd included you. Blame the grog! (not really.) Ad astra literally goes without saying! Thank you Ad.

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6/02/2013Doug Evans Thank you for your insightful comment. Sadly, I think you are right, and the MSM will let him get away with it. Bacchus Thank you for the information about the latest [i]Newspoll[/i]; important insight into the aberrant sampling for this poll.

2353

6/02/2013Lyn - try "Control F" pressed at the same time. On a Mac it is "Command F" pressed at the same time. Then look for the box on the screen with the flashing cursor and type your term in. Top links by the way.

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6/02/2013Good Morning Lyn Thank you for the link to Ausvotes 2013, which will be very helpful for me in a subsequent post. We are getting on the road now for the south coast. I'll be back this evening.

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6/02/2013Hi Lyn Regards searching, as 2353 says, Control F is the usual way on Microsoft products (Command F on Macs). If you are searching in [i]TPS[/i] archives, use the search box in the left panel. The more specific the search words are, the more accurate the result. Bye now.

Lyn

6/02/2013Hi 2353 Thankyou so much for telling me. That's exactly right ControlF Glad you enjoyed "Today's Links" there are quite a number of new blogs in the last few weeks, providing more and more information. Julie Bishop has decided to target Mark Dreyfus, asking out of order questions: A Dreyfus affair of Julie Bishop's making by Tony Wright Australia's rather paler Dreyfus affair ended with Julie Bishop arguing with Speaker Burke - and being tossed out of the Chamber. http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/political-news/a-dreyfus-affair-of-julie-bishops-making-20130205-2dwhy.html ABC The Drum ‏ Last week saw a glimpse of the narratives we can expect from Gillard & Abbott in their election bids, says @GrogsGamut http://bit.ly/14PRB4E Tony Abbott’s makeover by Denise Allen Surely they could notice the change — the smooth polished wrinkle free finish to his face, particularly his forehead; the “tanned” look to his face; the white eye shadow used to “highlight” his eyes; the strange makeup addition to his lips (must be a new product!); the new slight, but noticeable, “extra fullness” to his hair. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-makeover/ :):):)

bob macalba

6/02/2013Talk Turkey We need a strategy, you can feel the shift..more and more people expressing their genuine fears that tony abbort will win govt, that shift has to be channeled, stroked, fed and kept in a state of outrage so as to keep the attention on Abbort and how he would affect them, between now and the election so many people are going to be turned off by the blitzkrieg of bullshit churned out by the MSM, its going to bore most people to tears then apathy starts to set in, that we dont want but im sure thats what Abborts counting on, leaders and a strategy, thats whats needed cheers

LadyInRed

6/02/2013Ad astra @ 8:37am. Terrific summary of the last few days events, and I am pumped....yes pumped to the max to get the message out there by whatever means possible. We cannot let this nation fall into the hands of ultra conservatives whose blinkered vision, and "I'm alright Jack screw everybody else" mentality will be the ruin of us. If this nation is not careful it will be just like Queensland and suddenly wakeup and find that they have to live with what they wished for, the inialation of Anna Bligh. In our haste to chuck her out, with "the anything has got to be better than her" mentality, we got left with The Little General so focussed on taking the hill, he takes no notice of, nor does he care about, the carnage left in his wake. Live within your means......for a government with soooo many fragile lives in its care, this is a dangerous, very dangerous road to take. Firstly, we have a strong economy, we have low unemployment, low interest rates, investment in the pipeline, we can afford to sit this out carrying some debt until the rest of the world recovers. Its madness to do otherwise. Yes keep an eye on spending, but for goodness sake don't start adding to unemployment and scaring people to shut all their wallets, bad enough Queenslanders with money don't spend, do we really want the whole country to crawl under a rock like frightened turtles?

Bacchus

6/02/2013http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/02/04/1226570/346361-130205-newspoll.pdf

MWS

6/02/2013John Howard regularly accused his opponents of "talking down the economy." This is exactly what the LNP are doing - telling people the economy is terrible (all the fault of Labor) so they shut their wallets. When less money circulates in the economy, it contracts, and people lose income and even their jobs. Why can the conservatives talk down the economy, but not Labor? I suggest that Ministers start using this exact phrase - people already know what it means after Howard's constant repetition.

LadyInRed

6/02/2013http://twitpic.com/c19ge3 [i]Opposition Leader Tony Abbott vouched in court for the good character of a Catholic priest later struck off the clergy list by the Vatican following a child abuse case. [/i] http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/abbott-vouched-for-priest-later-struck-off-20130206-2dxoh.html

Jason

6/02/2013 The impact of Michelle Grattan Long-serving press gallery journalist Michelle Grattan announced yesterday that she would be leaving Fairfax to work in a couple of other roles (one of which puts her under a former Fairfax editor). I've long thought she was an irrelevant anachronism but the journosphere as one disagrees: what does it mean to be a significant journalist? http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/the-impact-of-michelle-grattan.html

Pikiranku

6/02/2013I noticed in QT that Joe Hockey is still addressing Anna Burke as "Madam Deputy Speaker". Honestly, can't those people get anything right? Where's he been for the last 6 months!

Pikiranku

6/02/2013LadyinRed Interesting post there about Tony Abbott and his mate, the "laicised" priest ("laicised" being a handy euphemism for "sacked"). Surely raises doubts about Tony's judgement. Does he have questions to answer?

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6/02/2013I have updated my post on the History of naughty Tony Abbott, "Where there is Smoke" to include the "vouching for a paedophile Priest" episode which was publicised today. I also found an interesting reference to the priestly misdemeanors in the Catholic Weekly from 2001. http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/where-there-is-smoke/

LadyInRed

6/02/2013Pikiranku Sure does raise questions about his judgement. He makes them based on his very simplistic black & white values. Priest = must be good, abortion = wrong, your a winner or your a loser. He can't even let little kids win a race, just watch him, whenever he is in competition (even nippers) he goes for it, pathetic. And perhaps most of all he lacks the ability to empathise, & one of the reasons he can';t do that is because he is always looking inward to how he is situated, how he is doing.

KHTAGH

6/02/2013LIR [i]most of all he lacks the ability to empathise[/i] This is the first & most important trait of a sociopath if I'm not mistaken.

Lyn

6/02/2013Hi Pikiranku, You are not alone in your opinion about Abbott persisting in saying Madam Speaker. Somebody said it is better than Chair Thing, 10 years ago at a Restaurant I chipped the waitress for calling me Madam sounds cheeky and rude, we don't live in France. Just confirms his misogynistic traits as far as I'm concerned. He knows good and well Anna requested that she be called Speaker. Marian Dalton ‏ Opposition MPs persist in referring to Anna Burke as 'Madam Speaker' - despite her repeated express wish that she be called 'Speaker'. Barry Gimson ‏ Anna doesn't want to be addressed as madam speaker. She has asked to be called speaker. LNP keeps using madam speaker david ewart ‏ Abbott calls her madam speaker again and again :):):):)

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6/02/2013They really behave like a lot of naughty 12 year old giggling boys. It is an attempt at disrespect. This has been a typical feature of the LieNP lots behaviour. it's NOT funny and shows how unfit they are for anything. We'll have to call "Sloppy" Joe, "CRANKY". he looks mean and dangerous. ( Must be the DIEt ). Tunbull looks really crook. No wonder .He is in an unhealthy environment, Mentally. It's his bed . He can LIE in it In the world of reality things are not bad. AUSTRALIA is going alright. In the artificial virtual world of conspiricies and playacting the LieNP's might think they have all the cards. What about Chris Uhlman's support of Jon Faine? Good on you Chris. No info given as to why Faine did anything against the rules. STRANGE abc. What's the idea SCOTT? Hit a big one and the rest will fall in line and do what the TEA Party want?

LadyInRed

6/02/2013Tandoori Tony is calling Anna Bourke madam speaker on purpose, its the sneaky way of showing disdain to the fact that she is a woman. You are right Lyn its his sexist mysoginist behaviour that makes him feel he has some control over proceedings. I may not be in government but I can call the speaker madam against her wishes. Its really quite childish and churlish. KHTAGH yep sociopath, narcisist, take your pick Tandoori fits the bill. And The Little General up here in Qld is also one.

Lyn

6/02/2013Hi Ad and Everybody Here is Marian Dalton's report on QT Today, along with Katharine Murphy. Marian is factual, the other ........ Question Time " Storified," 6/2/13 Highlights of Question Time today by Marion Dalton @crazyjane13 http://goo.gl/mKnR1 Politics live: February 6, 2013 Today in federal politics: http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-february-6-2013-20130206-2dxbi.html :):):):)

Pikiranku

6/02/2013LiR and Lyn Joe Hockey addressed Anna Burke as "Madam Deputy Speaker" and it was the "Deputy" bit in the middle that I was offended by at the time. But your points are well made. "Madam" is such an antiquated form of address - should we give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they use it because they are so embedded in the past. I've only heard it used these days to describe women who run brothels and it definitely has a derogatory ring about it. Which supports your thoughts about why they use it.

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6/02/2013Hi Lyn We are back at the south coast. Having missed parliament altogether today, I'm grateful for your links to Marion Dalton and Katharine Murphy's account of the day in the House. Nothing too spectacular seems to have happened, just more Hockey stunts, and Abbott sexism with his 'Madam Speaker'.

LadyInRed

6/02/2013Pikiranku I doubt he does anything during question time by accident, it all looks rather scripted. Except when they all made a mad dash for the door when Thomson was going to vote with them. Credlin sits in th background keeping a close eye on proceedings. Looks like she is conducting everyone so that they don't expose TAbbott's insensitive side. Its quite ridiculous really. he wont be able to keep up the discipline during question time. The PM pulled him up today when he asked the suplementary question without taking any notice of her answer to the first question, if he had he wouldn't have the suplementary question that he did. He's on script.

Lyn

6/02/2013Hi Ad, Glad you are back home safe & had a good day I guess. There is a few more pieces about today you may be interested in. Julia was fantastic, emphasizing facts, facts, told Joe Hockey off he was quoting 2009 figures, she told Abbott off. Julia Gillard gives Tony Abbott a dressing down at Question Time Ms Gillard kicked off the session by giving Mr Abbott a serve on his claims about the economy, saying he has to "get out of economic kindy class". http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/julia-gillard-gives-tony-abbott-a-dressing-down-as-question-time-begins/story-e6frf7jo-1226571754866 Beware the eagerness of Tony Abbott to present as a sensitive new-age guy. VIDEO in Parliament, speaker asks for props to be removed from the advisors box:- Beware the eagerness of Tony Abbott to present as a sensitive new-age guy. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-real-tony-bona-fide-top-bloke-or-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-20130205-2dwdr.html :):):)

bob macalba

6/02/2013Not very nice is it rupert http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/06/rupert-murdoch-chinese-hackers-journal

TalkTurkey

6/02/2013Andrew Jaffrey bleahhh! From Twitter: Michael Smith News‏@mpsmithnews Andrew Jaffrey spoke with Chris McArdle - who said he was "reading up about how to defend a client in a criminal mat... http://bit.ly/TJ7vdK Retweeted by Andrew Jaffrey

Truth Seeker

7/02/2013He Swordsters, have been thinking about the Craig Thomson saga, ad am thinking that maybe, due to the fact that there were no rules for expenditure on HSU credit cards, and the high farce that was the Vic police action, making it very hard to prove fraud, and in fact prove any case, that they aren't planning on winning. If the case gets thrown out on a technicality, then there is an out for those that have been threatened with Defamation, and also the Vic gov, whilst leaving a permanent stain over CT unless he takes it to court himself to clear his name? Just a thought Cheers :-) :-) BTW just posted "Tony Abbott, the LNP and the Truth?" for those that missed it the first time! http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/tony-abbott-the-lnp-and-the-truth/

Lyn

7/02/2013TODAY’S LINKS The impact of Michelle Grattan by @awelder what does it mean to be a significant journalist http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/the-impact-of-michelle-grattan.html Crucifying Craig Thomson by FrancieJones, media has created this frenzy, along with the LNP. http://francesjones.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/crucifying-craig-thomson/ Poll About the Polls @archiearchive, reliance on small but wildly variable polling results http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/poll-about-the-polls/ Jacksonville 41: The missing witnesses by @madwixxy ,@independentaus, they still don’t even have witnesses http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/jacksonville-41-the-missing-witnesses/ What message would you really send by switching your vote from the ALP to the Liberals? by@jeremysear Liberals are riven by factionalism just as much as Labor http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/if-youre-pissed-off-with-the-alp-that-doesnt-mean-you-have- Anthony John Abbott – A Sheep In Wolf’s Clothing by @leftocentre @AusVotes2013 dogma ofDLP fits Tony Abbott like a glove. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/02/06/anthony-john-abbott-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/ Three Little Words by @MigloCW our Prime Minister some food for thought. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/three-little-words/ The Lefties are losing the will to live? – by Penny Carter we fight for something, we fight for each other, http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/the-lefties-are-losing-the-will-to-live-by-penny-carter/ Show me the money – did a billion dollars go missing from the health system? by Jennifer Doggett, Tony Abbott ‘ripped one billion from public hospitals’, http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2013/02/06/show-me-the-money-did-a-billion-dollars-go-missing-from-the-health-system/ Drum Post life and policy is complicated, by Greg Jericho My Drum post today looked briefly at the two speeches given last week http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/drum-post-life-and-policy-is-complicated.html Political thorns in a rosier Europe @TheKouk, http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/europe-debt-crisis-bond-yields-spain-germany- The four industries with most clout in Canberra @1RossGittins, markets work well in bringing buyers and sellers together http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/02/the-four-industries-with-most-clout-in.html Labor's likely lay of the land Bernard Keane & Glenn Dyer, the disappearance of housing supply off the national agenda after 2010 might come back to haunt whoever has stewardship of the economy http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/election-labor-economy-industry-and-construction-pd20130t Housing policy: it’s all connected by @MattCowgill http://mattcowgill.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/housing-policy-its-all-connected/ This year's top (economic) model @PeterLewisEMC, people don't seem too fussed by Treasurer Wayne Swan's backdown http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4502616.html The Encore Interview: Mark Scott http://mumbrella.com.au/the-encore-interview-mark-scott-137269?utm_source=DailyNewsletter&utm_medium= NBN should be in caretaker mode, claims Turnbull by @renailemay , Malcolm Turnbull, you should flat out be ashamed. http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/06/nbn-should-be-in-caretaker-mode-claims-turnbull/ TRANSCRIPT OF THE HON. MALCOLM TURNBULL MP INTERVIEW, With WALEED ALY, very real possibility, some would say a probability of a change of government http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/transcripts/transcript-abc-radio-national-5-feb-2013/ Burke frustrated with NSW demands on CSG by David Twomey, NSW wants a weaker set of regulations on coal seam gas http://econews.com.au/news-to-sustain-our-world/burke-frustrated-with-nsw-demands-on-csg/ Without climate action, future generations will be ‘fried’: IMF chief by Joe Romm,“If there is no action soon, the future will become bleak.” http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/without-climate-action-future-generations-will-be-fried-imf-chief-65451 Worried about Great Barrier Reef water pollution? Look at mining, not agriculture by Jon Brodie http://theconversation.edu.au/worried-about-great-barrier-reef-water-pollution- Thoughts on Al Gore’s Recent Comments on Australian Carbon Pricing @Mothincarnate, Mr. Abbott and fellow extremists on the conservatism, “free” market far right http://newanthropocene.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/thoughts-on-al-gores-recent-comments-on-australian-carbon-pricing/ Standby for a smart energy saving net-enabled services and applications are rapidly increasing, excerpt http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/standby-smart-energy-saving Question Time " Storified," 6/2/13 Highlights of Question Time today by Marion Dalton @crazyjane13 http://goo.gl/mKnR1 Tony Abbott The LNP and The Truth by Truth Seeker, With the body of an old athlete And the brainpower… of a slug. http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/tony-abbott-the-lnp-and-the-truth/ Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 7 February 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

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