The Right to be Angry

Have you noticed how much anger there is in the community? Listen to talkback radio and hear the anger there. If you have the stomach to listen to shock jocks like Alan Jones you will hear plenty there. There is road rage and a level of anger and assaults in our city centres, often alcohol-fuelled, which is unacceptable in a civilized society.

Recently, one of our regular bloggers on The Political Sword, NormanK, wrote a comment about ‘The Right to be Angry’.

He argued it was “…the theme of the current Abbott-led Opposition and many neo-cons around the world. Whilst it is not quite a three-word slogan, their promise to the electorate seems to be:
Day after day, in every way, we will reaffirm your RIGHT TO BE ANGRY.
The Right to be Angry over electricity prices.
The Right to be Angry over asylum seekers taking your jobs and living high on the hog.
The Right to be Angry over government debt, wasteful spending, water management, welfare cheats, public-purse-exploiting politicians, military tribunals, flood waters, food prices, petrol prices, share prices, bank profits, and the list goes on.


“In fact we have Abbott & Co's blessing to be angry about anything we don't like or don't understand. It is our Right. 
And nothing feeds a good bout of anger like a healthy dose of fear - a stock-in-trade of regressives.”

That struck a respondent chord. The more I reflected on it, the more it seemed to portray the approach of Tony Abbott and the Coalition and their fellow travellers in the MSM. [more]

Think back over the last three years. Over and again Abbott and his ministers have sought to make the public angry about the Government’s performance, seldom acknowledging any success or laudable move, instead insisting that the public had the right to be angry at what Abbott painted as ‘debt and deficit’, ‘waste and mismanagement’, incompetence at managing projects; and angry at ‘the most incompetent government in Australian history’. While some criticism might be legitimate – no government is faultless – the intensity and persistence of the criticism fuelled anger in the electorate that almost defeated the Government at last year’s election.

While no one will deny the right of taxpayers to be angry about incompetence or fraudulent behaviour in any public utility or in any government – local, state or federal – inflaming anger in the electorate when that is not deserved is corrosive to national unity and the nation’s sense of purpose. Yet, as NormanK points out, the federal Coalition encourages the people to be angry about events and circumstances over which no government has any control, such as floods, and food and petrol prices, bank profits and military tribunals.

There are countless examples of the deliberate encouragement of anger by politicians and journalists. Take Andrew Bolt’s tirade against Julia Gillard and the Government when, at the beginning of the flood crisis, she pledged a million dollars to the Queensland Government. He belittled her and the level of the contribution and compared it with the donations Australia made to Pakistan for their floods and Indonesia at the time of its tsunami. He must have known that this was but an initial contribution, and that much, much more would follow, as it has. But that did not deter him from his vicious slur and vitriolic condemnation, echoed by sycophantic followers on his blog. Indeed it is these very people that Bolt stirs to mounting anger every time he attacks Gillard. He tells them with his words that they have ‘The Right to be Angry’. He paints it as a right, even when no such right exists.

Tony Abbott stirred up anger over the floods by suggesting somehow that lack of dams – which he labeled a ‘dam phobia’ – might be the cause, even as his side of politics opposed recent proposed dam construction. Now he is stirring anger over the flood levy.

This penchant for always looking for someone to blame for any misadventure, any adverse turn of events, any move that might be disadvantageous to some, is malignant. It is a cancer that is spreading throughout our society and threatening to kill its victim.

The US provides us with frightening examples of the toxic effect of anger. The recent atrocity in Arizona has been attributed in part to the poisonous political atmosphere there where the repeated use of firearms metaphors suggested that people take up arms and target Democrats, and ‘reload’ until the enemy is defeated.

Take a look at what Arun Gupta had to say on AlterNet on 12 January in a piece titled Hate and Violence Are Encoded in the DNA of the American Right in commenting on the surfeit of political murders during the Obama years, in contrast to the Bush era. Gupta comments: “This stark contrast demands an explanation for why there have been so many political murder sprees in less than two years. The answer can be found within the strain of reactionary politics that dominates the American Right. The Right thrives on mobilizing group resentment, and the range of its targets over the last 50 years is astonishing: gays and lesbians, African Americans, Latinos, feminists, welfare recipients, reproductive-rights activists, Muslims, undocumented immigrants, government officials, criminals, liberals, antiwar activists, organized labor.

“The group resentment is fomented and stoked within the right-wing echo chamber, in increasingly apocalyptic terms. With swaths of the public alienated and looking for easy answers in a time of epic joblessness, they latch onto scapegoats that demagogues like Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage provide. As a result millions of alienated Americans are convinced their problems and the national malaise is the fault of Mexicans, liberals, abortion providers and homosexuals. Politicians willing to exploit this hatred can find a large and passionate base. Because extremism stands out in our media-saturated culture, those voices and politicians who are the most outrageous tend to be the most successful. This creates a politics that makes compromise and reasoned discourse all but impossible. Add to that a political system dominated by corporate money, which makes addressing social ills all but impossible, and you have a public seething with anger but with no ready outlet.”

Australian conservatives can see how well this strategy works – they have a working laboratory in the US. We have our own Glen Becks – Alan Jones, Piers Akerman and Andrew Bolt are obvious clones. If you think that is an exaggeration, listen to them, read what they write. Compare it with Glen Beck’s utterances.

Writing in The New York Times on January 9, Paul Krugman says in his piece, Climate of Hate, that he was not surprised at the Arizona shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the killing of six people. He explained: "Last spring Politico.com reported on a surge in threats against members of Congress, which were already up by 300 percent. A number of the people making those threats had a history of mental illness – but something about the current state of America has been causing far more disturbed people than before to act out their illness by threatening, or actually engaging in, political violence. And there’s not much question what has changed. As Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff responsible for dealing with the Arizona shootings, put it, it’s ‘the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.’ The vast majority of those who listen to that toxic rhetoric stop short of actual violence, but some, inevitably, cross that line.

“It’s important to be clear here about the nature of our sickness. It’s not a general lack of ‘civility’, the favorite term of pundits who want to wish away fundamental policy disagreements. Politeness may be a virtue, but there’s a big difference between bad manners and calls, explicit or implicit, for violence; insults aren’t the same as incitement. The point is that there’s room in a democracy for people who ridicule and denounce those who disagree with them; there isn’t any place for eliminationist rhetoric, for suggestions that those on the other side of a debate must be removed from that debate by whatever means necessary. And it’s the saturation of our political discourse – and especially our airwaves – with eliminationist rhetoric that lies behind the rising tide of violence.”

As mentioned in the previous piece, on the EzKool website in a January 10 article: Rush Limbaugh Continues Without Missing A Beat Ezra Grant had this to say in the aftermath of the Arizona killings: “But politics in America is nothing new. It’s been around since this country’s inception. But something about this cycle of politics is different. Ask any member of Congress and they will tell you that they have not seen things this bad in quite a long time. So what made it this bad?” Grant answers his own question: “It’s the Sarah Palins, the Rush Limbaughs, the Glenn Becks, those radio and television personalities who are more concerned about dividing the country to fatten their pay­checks, than they are about working together to bring the country together. These personalities are financially invested and vested in keeping this country divided.”

The way to divide a country is to evoke anger among some of the people against others, against authority, against the government. Tell them they have ‘The Right to be Angry’ about this or that, whether or not such anger is reasonable, and even when it isn’t, a reason for anger can simply be invented.

We have not reached the forlorn state in which America now wallows, but some conservatives here, both in parliament and in the media, are following down the dangerous American track, inciting anger and resentment among sectors of the population towards Labor governments for trumped-up reasons that do not stand up to scrutiny.

Any government that is incompetent or fraudulent, or makes poor decisions, or lies to the people, or fails to do what is best for the electorate, deserves criticism, and at times condemnation. But a government that is performing well, albeit not always perfectly, does not deserve to be pilloried with spurious accusations, illegitimate criticisms, biased opinion, vitriolic talk, and the people stirred into unjustified anger. Fomenting the Right to be Angry when that is unjustified is a malicious strategy that has no place in our democracy. We ought to expose it whenever it rears its ugly and poisonous head.

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Lyn

5/02/2011Good Morning Ad Thankyou for a very enjoyable new article, this morning. I love your words and enjoy reading your pieces very, very, much. [quote]Fomenting the Right to be Angry when that is unjustified is a malicious strategy that has no place in our democracy. We ought to expose it whenever it rears its ugly and poisonous head. [/quote] Excellent summary Ad, I agree with everything you have said. There is far to much incited anger in the world today, throwing stones and rocks in Cairo, the videos are terrifying. I don't think we have a right to be angry not hostile anyway, a difference of opinion, raised voice or strong words ok, sure, but ([quote]a reason for anger can simply be invented[/quote]) we should control our anger and tempers that is how I was brought up anyway. Have a nice day Ad

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5/02/2011Good Morning Lyn, and thank you for your kind and heartfelt comments. This piece is dedicated to our dear friend NormanK, whose comments on a previous post inspired the piece and gave it its title.

Lyn

5/02/2011[b]TODAY'S LINKS[/b] This truly is a beautiful story, thankyou Greg. [i]Friday Night Relaxer,The Great Far North.Greg Jericho, Grog's Gamut[/i] But if you are thinking of a big trip this year; give Bali a miss. Don’t bother with Thailand or Vietnam – you’ve got enough pirated DVDs and “Louis Vuitton” bags. Give the Far North a go http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/2011/02/friday-night-relaxer-great-far-north.html [i]Political Pond Scum, Greg Jericho, Grog's Gamut[/i] But I really want to say this: Mark Latham, you are a complete and utter wanker. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/2011/02/political-pond-scum.html [i]Don't Blog Back in Anger, Greg Jericho, Grog's Gamut[/i]And yet I absolutely love doing it. I love writing; I love the debates and laughs on Twitter. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/2011/02/dont-blog-back-in-anger.html [i]Missing Link Friday-Plus size edition,Don Arthur Club Troppo[/i] This week’s Missing Link features reactions to John Birmingham’s column: Why is fat such a fractious issue? http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/02/04/missing-link-friday-plus-size-edition/ [i]What Immunity in a Lie?, Neil Cook, The Bannerman[/i] smacks of not only desperation, but gross dishonesty. This is the overt dumbing down of Australian society – admittedly the more gullible, http://www.waddayano.org/blog/2011/02/what_immunity_in_a_lie.php#more [i] Morgan phone poll: 51-49 to Coalition, William Bowe, The Poll Bludger[/i] Tony Abbott’s approval rating has slumped eleven points since December to 39 per cent, http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/ [i]Cyclone 'Terrorise', Creatures of the Deep[/i] Having survived cyclones, hurricanes, monsoons, tornadoes, floods, fires, famine, plague, yo-yo's, low GI diets, happy pants http://electionfiveo.blogspot.com/ [i]Cyclone Yasi presentation from Courier Mail,Pteropus,Pteropusfng, Blogspot[/i] I would never pay money for a Murdoch paper and that includes our declining daily The Cairns Post. http://pteropusfnq.blogspot.com/2011/02/cyclone-yasi-presentation-from-courier.html [i]mining Industry Campaign Cost $22 million, Alex White[/i]This astonishing fact shows the corrosive nature of the Minerals Council’s anti-democratic campaign http://alexwhite.org/2011/02/mining-industry-campaign-cost-22million [i]Are the Christian Left politically homeless?, Kathryn Crosby, The Notion Factory[/i] But what of the Christian Left or other more tolerant, compassionate faiths? Are they currently politically homeless? http://notionfactory.net:80/2011/02/04/are-the-christian-left-politically-homeless/ [i]Naming Names, Andrew Elder, Politically Homeless[/i] let's name the seats that Labor will actually win at the NSW State election. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/ [i]Hero and villain of the week: Coffee with Ruby[/i] Twitter account called @cycloneupdate started tweeting live cyclone news from Cairns. The person behind @cycloneupdate, Cairns local and amateur weather watcher, http://coffeewithruby.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/05/hero-and-villain-5211/ Newspapers not usually posted by me, unless there is something juicy for the day: [i]Concerns over Tony Abbott's 'conflict' , Christian Kerr & Sid Maher, The Australian[/i] SENIOR Liberals have warned of an "unresolvable" conflict of interest at the party's highest levels as criticism mounts of an email bulletin from leader Tony Abbott http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/cyclone-yasi/concerns-over-tony-abbotts-conflict/story-fn7rj0ye-1226000451119 [i]Abbott's boat well afloat ... for now , Laurie Oakes, Courier Mail[/i] Abbott shot himself in the foot during the week when he failed to condemn and disown the appeal - attached to an email that he signed - for donations to Liberal funds to help defeat the flood levy. http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/abbotts-boat-well-afloat-for-now/story-fn6ck620-1226000472256 [i]Abbott's bipartisan offer is phony , Mark Kenny, Adelaide Now[/i] Mr Abbott's offer to discuss spending cuts is of course a faux offer. [b]No government would ever allow its opponent that level of shared power and he knows it.[/b]http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/abbotts-bipartisan-offer-is-phony/story-e6freaju-1226000472488 Have a nice day everybody

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5/02/2011LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/Lyns-Daily-Links.aspx

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey Thankyou for your reply to my call for followers for Ad Astra on our newly installed Twitter Button. [quote]Lyn, When I learn HOW to tweet I'll start doing it I suppose, but I don't understand it atm. That should give you an idea of how much idea I haven't. [/quote] That's ok, Talk Turkey thanks for letting us know, I know exactly how you feel, I was the same, but I was first prompted to join up last year because of The Poll Bludger as he would tweet the link on new posts on the polls, great during the election.. I had to get Hillbilly to help me last year, and then I was successful in tweeting Hillbilly, but I am still daunted by the program making me unsure of what I am doing. It's just what people want to be bothered with or not, and more frequently its' not, with all this stuff available now we do have to wonder what is necessary. But I still want an Ipad, which will supersede my desktop and my laptop, I have a mobile phone that stays in the draw, the lady across the road wants me, to help her send text messages, I haven't go a clue how and can't be bothered learning either. As 2353 said he/she is more than happy with what he/she operates already, we all appreciate everyone coming here to TPS, and are quite contented and happy to leave things as they are anyway. You will see, I have my umberreyumdi this morning, we are getting the heavy rain, after effects from the cyclone. Cheers

Lyn

5/02/2011Talk Turkey I told you I had my umberreyumdi and then forgot to grab it on the way. Cheers

Lyn

5/02/2011Woops! they still didn't put it there

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5/02/2011Folks I will be away from my computer for several hours attending to the needs of the family of one of our children who have all come down with the dreaded lurgy. I’ll take the iPad and try to keep on eye on [i]TPS[/i]. I’ll be back at my computer this evening.

NormanK

5/02/2011Ad astra Thanks for another great article. It is further proof (if it was needed) that you are indeed the headline act in this little play and actors such as myself are but bit players written in to assist in the advancement of the plot. I appreciate the accreditation and am touched by the dedication. At the time of Abbott making his comment that the new Gillard government was "illegitimate", I had a feeling that this was the beginning of something which would prove detrimental to the fabric of our society. Some circles rejoiced in the fact that Abbott abandoned the expression in light of legal ramifications/implications but he is a canny fellow and he knew the seeds had already been sown. Now we have persistent remarks being made about a government "without a mandate" or wrongly in power due to the traitorous acts of a couple of Independents. It would seem to matter not to these individuals that Labor was the party which won the most seats and the Conservatives can only reach a majority by bundling together the seats of four or five separate parties. The Right to be Angry was granted to rusted-on Regressives by Abbott declaring "we was robbed". We are but one or two headlines away from accusations of vote-rigging or ballot-box tampering. This would then bring us perilously close to anger in the streets and we know where that can lead. I may be wearing my philosophical allegiance on my sleeve but it does seem that only one side of the political debate is showing a willingness to squeeze the life out of an incumbent government's ability to govern - with the express aim of bringing it down. Would the word "illegitimate" get another public airing if the Opposition were to assume power by these means? It would by me. I must say I found the following statement chilling in its accuracy : [quote]This penchant for always looking for someone to blame for any misadventure, any adverse turn of events, any move that might be disadvantageous to some, is malignant. It is a cancer that is spreading throughout our society and threatening to kill its victim.[/quote] Let us hope that there are still sufficient socially responsible people of generous spirit that they may overcome this modern-day malady.

janice

5/02/2011Lyn, I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it difficult to drive a mobile phone :) I tried and ended up ditching the thing which I got in case I got stuck in the middle of nowhere (which is everywhere here) and needed to yell for help. However, the one time I needed to call for help was the time the phone decided to malfunction and I had to rely on a passing motorist. I have sort of mastered the computer but my skills there are limited at best so I haven't bothered to venture into twittering etc. NormanK, Wonderful to have you back and so glad you survived Yasi's fury more or less intact. Everytime I see or hear Abbott open his great big mouth I can't but think it is a pity he is never personally in the line of fire when mother nature exercises her right to be angry. He seems to crawl out from under his log to stir up a bit more anger amongst the citizens before retreating to his shelter once again while his conned non-thinkers shower the nation with angry fireballs aided by a thoughtless media which is largely headed by a power-hungry, shrivelled-up old prune. Yes, let us hope that there are sufficient socially responsible people of generous spirit who may overcome this malady.

Acerbic Conehead 2

5/02/2011AA, Tones is in Tully “inspecting” the damage caused by Cyclone Yasi. However, never to miss a trick, he hasn’t forgotten to bring his collection tin for the Bury the Levy appeal. But, in the main drag, Butler Street, Tones shakes his tin in one face too many. Giuseppe, a migrant from the old country, is totally outraged by Tones’ selfish and inappropriate behaviour, especially at such a sensitive time. Sing along in chorus with Giuseppe as he channels his righteous anger into the alternative lyrics to the Joe Dolce classic, “Shaddap You Face”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs :- ( When I was a boy just about the eighth-a grade Mama used to say: "When the rain-a falls Whether on the just Or the shiny-bums Giuseppe always-a have it sussed!" :- ( Boy, it make-a me sick all the t'ing I gotta do My Bath-a-room has-a no bricks The tin-roof’s in Timbuck-a-too :- ( Boy, it make-a me sick Especially at a time like this To see Tones try to a-make A few-a lousy bucks For his Bury the Levy stitch :- ( So I said to Tones down in Tully town: “What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect What-a you t’ink you do? Why-a you not a good mate? Surely you could-a wait Collecting with-a haste Ah – get outta ma face!”

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Ad Astra, A timely and perspicacious piece of writing. So lucky are we at The Political Sword to have someone to lead the debate in the direction it needs to go, and to have the courage to stand up and say what needs to be said. The Shock Jocks, and their ilk in print, on radio and TV, aren't merely 'Entertainers', as they disingenuously procalim. Was Tokyo Rose an 'Entertainer'? I guess you could say, "Yes", but you could almost as certainly say, "No". She was a propagandist and polemicist. Just as are our own breed of 'Tokyo Roses'. Which proposition I believe can be borne out when you consider the following definition and derivation of the word, 'polemic': [quote]polemic noun 1 a controversial speech or piece of writing that fiercely attacks or defends an idea, opinion, etc. 2 writing or oratory of this sort. 3 someone who argues in this way. adj (also polemical) relating to or involving polemics or controversy. polemically adverb. polemicist noun. ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from Greek polemikos relating to war, from polemos war.[/quote] I especially like the last bit which draws our attention back to the point that 'they' are at war with 'us'. The polemicists want to destroy the Australian 'Fair Go' ethos, and replace it with the American NeoConservative 'God, Guns and Dog Eat Dog' paradigm that is parlayed daily by those individuals who have been mentioned in Ad Astra's blog. Pity help the Western World if they prevail. Especially when Mother Nature trumps us all with her point of view. Which is why it is so important to keep up the fight against them. Even when they do have as charismatic and persuasive a spokesman as Tony Abbott. The Devil, or the Anti-Christ, you know, was supposed to have been born around the time of Mr Abbott, or so I was told at Sunday School, after Church on Sunday.(Just thought I'd throw that one in, seeing as how Mr Abbott himself spins a lot of his polemic out of the Bible). :)

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011AcerbicC., You are a delight, and your work a wonder to behold. :) Anyone who could make me LOL on this day of Hellish heat, must be doing something magical and good.

2353

5/02/2011I wonder if there are two different events playing out here. Firstly, the bully element. It always seems to be the bully in the playground, the workplace or on the committee that gets what they want. For anyone to get to the position of Leader of a political party, they have to be able to get their own way (usually thorough persuasion, alliances and bluntly knowing where the skeletons - not "Hillbilly" or "Feral" ones - are buried). The have usually demonstrated that they will use all the information they possess to if considered necessary bring a rival down. I've recently read Peter Fitzsimons (sp?) book "Beasley" which apart from being a huge lug of a thing to read on the train to work demonstrated that even Kim Beasley, who seemed to be almost universally liked as a person could play the game with the best of them, calculate the numbers and if necessary bury the opposition to his plans. Remember the way Abbott became Opposition Leader, he destabilised Turnbull (including the Godwin Grech thing) until Turnbull had no option other than to resign. Abbott then split the vote for the new leader causing a run off which he won by one vote. This method of operation was not new, on a number of occasions he acted as the bully boy for Howard when Howard had no logical explanation for a particular act and don't forget he spent a lot of years with the "Brothers" of the Catholic Church - an organisation that has a particular slant on the world that probably isn't in keeping with current day values who then tries to force the views of the leadership on the followers. (Actually I feel sorry for the majority of religious and members of the Catholic Church, they really do try to make the world a better place - but that's a post for another time). Secondly, there is the "born to rule" mentality. This sort of links into the "Bully" discussed above. In my experience, those that are even just relatively conservative believe that they are doing the right thing (for a variety of reasons including "this is the way we've done it for years", "what will happen if it doesn't work", "we have always only used trusted methods" and so on). There seems to be a disconnect where those that are conservative by nature cannot grasp a new concept until they see it working successfully - then they own it through bullying. They claim they implemented the concept when in reality they actively interfered with the concept until it was proven - then "promote", "own" and "protect" the work as their own. As a part of the bullying culture, they like being told "what to do" by an "guru". Without getting religious or political, witness how Abbott operates - criticism without alternatives. Its the same as the radio talkback people - Jones, Mitchell, Bolt, King, Sattler and so on - they find a "fact" and feed it to their adoring audience who repeat it ad nauseum to friends, enemies and anyone else that will listen. The reality is that the "talkback" format doesn't rate anywhere as well as it used to. I saw somethign the other day that suggested that Mitchell has under 90,000 listeners in a market of over 4 million. I posted yesterday about Bolt claiming the NBN was on power poles and therefore not as safe as Wifi. Complete crap but the Bolt devotees will sprout it for years yet (even when the new NBN ditch is being dug in their footpath). They also gravitate to organisations such as Hillsong, Pell's Catholic Church and so on - once again someone tells them what to believe and they do it. Look at the hatred those who leave religious groups such as Scientology seem to have for the organisation and those still in the group. I'm (unfortunately) old enough to remember when Amway and so on were being sold with (sorry) religious fervour. This will make you millions they claimed. The catch with the program was that those at the top, who told those at the bottom what to do, made millions and the business model meant that sooner or later everyone in the country would have been a distributor so those that came in later (on a promise) made little if any money - got dejected (yes I knew a few "ex-Distributors") and most of them then realised they were royally conned in the first place. How do the progressives overcome it? By putting out the alternative view - such as blog sites like this, Grog, Possum and so on. Furphy can only win against fact for so long. Sooner or later, those that like to be led by the nose will turn their attention to something else (needlework or alternate remedies anyone?) in the hope of replacing the conservatives that are literally dying out due to age. Hate (aka bullying) is a known commodity, wins a few battles but usually not the war - but the progressive forces in our western society have to learn to "market" as well as those that don't want to progress. Occasionally a fact gets in the way of the good story (witness Abbotts recent "anti-flood levy tax" on Liberal Party members) and some start to evaluate if they want to be led by the nose any more. Here endeth the lesson - sorry it's so long.

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Another thing you've got to say about those type of people is that they are pugnacious. Knock them down, like Tony Abbott after E-mailGate this week, and they get right back up again. Dust themselves off and get straight back on their Hobby Horse. Not only that, but they head right into the centre of whatever controversy they have created and punch on from there. Such as Abbott has today with his trip to Townsville, Queensland. His aim, of course, is to turn Queenslander against Queenslander now. He is pitting those who have been affected by the Floods and the Cyclone and who need help, against those who have not and are resenting having to pay for those who are. Not only that, but he is disingenuously characterising the cuts that the government will have to make to worthy intitiatives, as useless 'fat' in the Budget.

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5/02/2011Lyn, your enhanced Gravatar is magnificent. I've just come across it as I fired up my iPad. When I left home you were Tweety Pie; now there you are with your geogeous umbrella complete with hearts. You are setting a high standard - how can we match you?

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Richard Carlton, of The Sydney Morning Herald, in fine fettle: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/flatearthers-its-time-for-a-cold-shower-20110204-1agt8.html

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5/02/2011NormanK Thank you for your kind comments and your observations. I too fear that the Abbott/Coalition attitude of continual denouncement of the Government, and their clear intention to render this nation ungovernable, something I wrote about last year, is not just corrosive, it threatens our democracy. It seems though that the independents are awake to this strategy, and are even more determined to keep Abbott at bay. They are the socially responsible individuals that are shielding us from the disaster of an Abbott-lead Government. We should show them our gratitude.

TalkTurkey

5/02/2011 Bouquets to: Lyn, for her lovely new Gravatar, (plus plus plus) Janice for making me feel not quite alone in my ineptitudes; NormanK for inspiring this thread, Jason for alerting us to the imminent ABC Board Appointments And All Yous staunch Swordsfolks of course, But most especially to Ad astra, for this brilliant forum, and these (last two particularly) splendid threads, and now, most of all, for his in-principle acceptance of OUR nomination of him as an ABC Board Member. We have just 6 days to get the application in. I ask that you all help here. Be it noted, I have no special skills in framing such an application, indeed it is probably a simple fact that Ad astra himself is most qualified to pen it - a nice circle, with at its core the man's very qualities, the ones that make him an ideal choice for the position. But there is a let here - Ad astra has said, and I ask you to read his posts of the last few days, that he wouldn't dream of putting himself up - Well he hasn't, WE have, and BTW I was not the first jic that's what you thought, others have suggested it before I'm sure. I know that all goodwillians on this site want him to succeed to the Board. Even, I would hope, a majority of the other few. That's because he has the best most appropriate quality of all, the will to reconcile. I do fear that I personally lack the skills (and especially the focus) to project Aa's qualifications to their best advantage, but I acknowledge at least some responsibility in his decision not to oppose, at least, a formal application to be made in his name. (I'm being circumspect here, I REALLY want everyone feeling good about this.) Anyway I’ll help where I can. It seems to me we have a unique, and quite enchanting situation here. Most of Yous (though not moi) are anonymous and want to stay so I guess, but at the same time many of us know Ad astra by his writings far better than we would know your local MP for example, and we KNOW he merits vast respect, for his moderate pronouncements, his every-day dedication to TPS, you know I could go on. So even if your real name couldn’t be used, which I guess would sort of invalidate it from a technical point of view, yet still, what a lot of recommendations Ad astra has due to him, if you-all feel strongly enough about Aa, but more, about the standard of the ABC recently, and more still, for the decency of this nation, to do what you do best, write a post, or better still send a reference direct to him at hsi email address, and if you have any special skills in framing an application, please make it known. As Ad astra said, it’ll be interesting anyway. But who better? And why not? The Sword in the ABC . . . Win-Win, surely. I’d ask you to read my last few posts yesterday about it, on a previous thread. I can’t even remember all I wrote there but I know it was all about this. Swordsfolks I have not even asked Ad yet if he will/willn’t be happy to frame his own application, see I know I helped get him into this so I do feel partly responsible . . . but I think he’d probably be better at pushing his own barrow (cf his lawnmower) than I could be, and I also think there’s others who would be too. But I’m quite determined to see it happen, however. Depending on your responses, I’ll be thinking hard. For me anyway. Please, write Ad astra a reference. You can email it direct to him, of course, and I’m sure if you wanted to you and Ad could find a way of identifying yourself only to those with a proper right to know. But I’m sure, well I suppose!, there are plenty of people in Ad’s life who are there for him in this anyway. I just want him on a board of what I might eventually one day again be able to think of as OUR ABC.

nasking

5/02/2011Excellent post ad Astra. I can remember, when living in Canada in the 70s, early 80s, the evangelical preachers on American TV & radio stirring up the crowds...preaching hate...inciting anger. And those late night talkback radio guys who were seen as the sleaze balls back then...huddled in their studios sirring up white supremacists...pushing every button possible to get attention. The 1988 film 'Talk Radio' by Oliver Stone captured the anger, claustrophobia & possible consequences so well. Obviously Australia has it's own King of Stir in Allan Jones...but compared to Rush Limbaugh in America he is a marshmallow. Interestingly, sadly, hate & anger sell. If done craftily. And usually this lot have to have good lawyers & a hefty corporate mogul behind them. And newspapers, blogs, cable news channels etc. that plug them. Are apologists for them. It's so easy for Abbott the naturally loopy, brash, split personality, oft moral infant, attention-seeking, bitter & angry, ambitious Mr. Negabore to feed into this lot. They work off each other like porn stars & cable television or seedy movie cinemas. A natural fit. Made for each other. Unfortunately they won't go away...just evolve...or some might say, devolve. But it's essential that their hate, misinformation & too oft lies/distortions are countered...and the likes of you are doin' a great job doin' so. Oh but for a Huffington Post in this country eh? N'

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Ad Ad, that is such a nice compliment you gave me thankyou very mcuh. I still wish I had an Ipad, what is it, wishing and hoping. What about Action Man, he gives a broom to an old lady when he thought the camera wasn't watching, today he is doing stop the trees: Tony Abbott lends a hand in cyclone clean-up, News Com. [quote]"We've had floods before, we'll have floods again, we've had cyclones before, we'll have cyclones again," he said. "If we have a new tax every time we have a big storm, I'm afraid we'll soon be among the highest taxed countries in the world."[/quote] http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/tony-abbott-lends-a-hand-in-cyclone-clean-up/story-e6frfku9-1226000648023

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5/02/2011AC What a great piece you have used to match your words. It's a nicaplace, so why doesn't Tones Shaddap His Face before he wrecks it. He's up North today, I suspect trying to neutralize the anger he caused with his 'donate to the Liberals' addition to his 'fight the levy' email. He will need to do a lot more than cleaning up the debris, or mouthing a few platitudinous words to wipe that sleazy slate clean.

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5/02/2011FS Thank you for your kind remarks and you incisive analysis. The shock jocks, and their TV and journalistic equivalents, in their disingenuous 'polemicist as entertainer' guise, are dangerous operatives. They would have us believe that their intent is innocent, all in the pursuit of entertaining the populace, but they know exactly what they are doing. In the US, they are bald-faced in pursuit of their conservative goals; here they think we are gullible enough to not notice. I guess many don't; those of us who do need to speak up.

NormanK

5/02/2011Oh Lyn! Your new gravatar is just the sweetest thing. How thoroughly delightful. And then you come up with : STOP THE TREES. I definitely would buy a t-shirt, perhaps I should work on an image for it. Superb! Heat wave sufferers, you have my sympathy. Up here you bake if you're out west or broil if you're nearer the coast but as I understand it, during one of these events you guys have got the worst of both worlds. Be safe and stay hydrated. We've tried sending water down to you in the past but it takes an awful long time and isn't always welcome. Ad astra Looks like your part of the world is copping the rain at the moment. I hope it is nothing more than an inconvenience. 2353 There is a lot of good sense in what you say - as usual. Day 3 clean-up continues.

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Here's a lovely article about the PM from Michael Gordon of The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/national/back-in-the-game-20110204-1agyb.html FTA: [quote]Of the Abbott critique, she adds: ''I suppose I've had Tony use every prejudicial adjective or noun about me that is in the English language, and possibly a few that don't get used because they are really unparliamentary, so I don't let that worry me.[/quote]

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Does Tony Abbott realise that he sounds as if he is saying, "Like I care", when he says, "We've had floods before, we'll have floods again, we've had cyclones before, we'll have cyclones again...".

NormanK

5/02/2011FS No, I doubt that he realises how dismissive it sounds. If the statement came from a wizened farmer or a stalwart determined grandmother who has sat through a number of cyclones, it would be accepted as pragmatic country philosophy. Coming from someone who flew in three days after the event, worked his iron muscles on half a tree and flew out again, it sounds like citified grand-standing. As does "Australians have been through enough hardship". Not all of us have, mate, and you wouldn't know hardship if it leapt up and bit you.

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5/02/20112353 Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Your mention of bullying is apt. We have seen bullying since we were kids in the schoolyard, but now it occurs even more maliciously on the Internet, Facebook and so on. The central element of bullying is demeaning the individual by deriding their appearance, questioning their ability, their achievements, their motives, their social skills. Moreover their purpose is to persuade others to their view. This is just what Tony Abbott and his senior ministers do every day. They want the electorate to believe the Gillard Government is illegitimate, incompetent, incapable of managing money and projects, unable ever to bring in a surplus budget, and so on it goes. This is bullying, and is intentional. It is designed to encourage others, journalists and the voters, to join in the bullying until the Government Is bullied out of office. We see journalists antagonistic to the Government indulging in bare-faced bullying; 3AW's Neil Mitchell was at it the other day. Matthew Franklin is another. Until this is recognized by fair-minded people and vigorously opposed it will continue. It was good to see Julia Gillard pulling Mitchell up, and Franklin too. All of us who seek fair play should call bullying for what it is whenever we see it occurring.

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Ad Look what happens to me, now Sky News have stolen my headline, well aah, aah, I did say Action Man stops the Trees. Action man Tony Abbott tours Yasi region,Sky News. [b]Tony Abbott is living up to his 'action man' image as he tours some of the areas most devastated by Cyclone Yasi.[/b]http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=573552&vId=

nasking

5/02/2011[quote]The central element of bullying is demeaning the individual by deriding their appearance, questioning their ability, their achievements, their motives, their social skills. Moreover their purpose is to persuade others to their view. [/quote] But aA...in politics this has always been done. Look at political cartoons. They go way back. N'

Acerbic Conehead 2

5/02/2011FS, No worries, I'm glad it gave you a laugh. I hope all the Giuseppe's, who can see through the spin, increase in number. AA, As you say, manipulating people through an appeal to an emotion such as anger is typical of the trickery of the shock-jocks and their financial and political cronies. Hopefully we can encourage people to harness that anger to build a better Australia instead. 2353, Loved your "lesson" at 02:40 pm. Keep 'em comin'! NormanK, Great to see you back. I hope there wasn't too much damage round your way.

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5/02/2011Nasking Yes, cartoonists have done this for years, at times cruelly. But they are cartoonists, and that's how they work, and how they are expected to make a living. What I object to is serious journalists behaviouring as if they too are cartoonists, as David Horton pointed out in his recent article on The Drum (see the last post). They ought to leave cartoons to the cartoonists, and stick to objective journalism. Ridiculing politicians via verbal cartoons leads to disrespect for our leaders, and rude behavior which is unbecoming, for the journalist as well as the politician. What is even more annoying is that for too many journalists, disrespect is selective. Reflect how rude and aggressive some News Limited journalists are to Julia Gillard, and how easy they are on Tony Abbott, no matter how bad his gaffes, of which there have been plenty. It seems to me that rudeness, aggressiveness and bullying among journalists is inversely proportional to the level of respect the journalist has for the politician.

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5/02/2011Nasking 'behaviouring' should 'behaving'.

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5/02/2011Your new Gravatar Lyn is so alluring that News Limited is hanging on your every comment, your every turn of phrase.

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5/02/2011TT Give me a couple of days and I'll email you a brief resume and my full CV.

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5/02/2011FS The Gordon article was good reading -balanced and fair. It does raise the question of what the electorate expects of its leaders. I wonder how many voters could spell out their expectations. Leadership expectations might be a subject for another piece.

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey [quote]As Ad astra said, it’ll be interesting anyway. But who better? And why not? The Sword in the ABC . . . Win-Win, surely[/quote] I agree Talk Turkey who better, my writing skills as you have probably noticed are very basic and amazingly ordinary.. I have some pretty impressive references from my working years, somewhere that I could use as guidelines. Maybe I could help you in some small way. Let me know Talk Turkey, but as I said I am pretty ordinary. [quote]Bouquets to: Lyn, for her lovely new Gravatar, (plus plus plus[/quote]) Thankyou so much for your lovely compliment Talk Turkey.

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Norman K [quote]Oh Lyn! Your new gravatar is just the sweetest thing. How thoroughly delightful.[/quote] Wow Norman K what a lovely thing to say, I am so happy you like Tweetie, she loves her new bright pink umbrella. Gee it's great to see you a well and happy, back here with us, where you belong. NormanK you have some beautiful roses too, don't you, are they doing ok in the garden or flooded out. Did you see the video clips on the news's of Action Man moving mountains no I mean trees, he looked like it was hard for him to keep a straight face, I thought. One worker gave Mr Abbott a rather abusive serve at Tully , ABC has just showed the clip. The southerners are really complaining about the heat aren't they, but I tell you it's really, really, hot in Hervey Bay today, and a lot of rain. Cheers

nasking

5/02/2011"Reflect how rude and aggressive some News Limited journalists are to Julia Gillard, and how easy they are on Tony Abbott, no matter how bad his gaffes, of which there have been plenty." I would agree aA that they have been far too easy on Abbott. N'

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Ad Astra, Just a small point, but could you please refer to Tony Abbott and his Shadow Ministers? We don't want to give them the keys to the castle just yet and call them Ministers. :)

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5/02/2011FS Point taken!!! What an awful mistake!!!

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011lyn, You have my deepest sympathies. :) This heatwave is doing my head in too. I do not know how the world and its citizens will survive a ramping up of extreme weather events due to Global Warming. I have located my Parasol too!

TalkTurkey

5/02/2011Some journos have to Julia Gillard's face called her by her given name in interviews. Can you imagine the same sleazy characters calling Howard John? Keating, Paul? Hawke, Bob? Fraser, Malcolm? Whitlam, Gough? None ever to my knowledge. They were called with respect, Prime Minister. It is demeaning to Julia Gillard, and it is deliberate. I urge the PM to exercise stringently her right not to speak with individuals nor organisations which are less than properly respectful of her office. Feistiness is her finest quality and that which will earn her most respect. Her good manners though are not merely wasted on such boors as Abbortt but worse, a serious negative wrt shock jocks and their like. Don't put up with it Julia. No disrespect.

Feral Skeleton

5/02/2011Laurie Oakes latest column makes for interesting reading: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion-old/a-fragile-unity-haunts-abbott/story-fn56baaq-1226000418119

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5/02/2011HS Laurie Oakes is likely on the money about Tones.

TalkTurkey

5/02/2011Get in line Laurie Oakes. I been saying Abbortt is on his way DOWN for months. An exponential fall into the bottomless pit! Just you wait Tony Abbortt just you wait. Coalition conspirators are sharpening their stilettos . . . Beware the ides of February, and beyond, Mark my words Antonius . . . It's a lot further for you to the next election than it is for Julia Gillard.

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey I just thought I would check Ad Astra5 on twitter, and wow! I find "Talky Turkey following, you little beauty, thankyou, Talky Turkey for taking the time, our Brucie the Bilby mastered the social network, well done. I sent you a tweet. Cheers

Miglo

5/02/2011Off topic . . but . . . Hi Lyn, I already follow TPS in Twitter, not as myself but as Australian Blog Sites.

Lyn

5/02/2011Hi Miglo Miglo a great big thankyou to you too, we did know you were there and appreciate you very much. Cheers Miglo

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011The Heat Wave in Sydney is due to finish today! Yay! So my friends and I are going to celebrate. :) lyn, I hope the heat and humidity abates up your way soon too.

Lyn

6/02/2011[b]TODAY'S LINKS[/b] [i]big bawling baby backfires, Matt Anslow, Life Re-Mixed[/i]Thankfully polling has shown since the floods that Abbott’s approval rating has dropped http://liferemixed.net/2011/02/05/big-bawling-baby-backfires/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog [i]Punch and Judy Journalism, Mr Denmore, The Failed Estate[/i]Janet Albrechtson, the Vaucluse-dwelling crocodile with an investment banker husband, is http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com/ [i]Momentum is growing for Abbott to Step Down ! Saynotony[/i] One or both has to go,” the Liberal, who asked not to be named, said of Mr Loughnane and Ms Credlin. “If they were smart, one of them would resign.”ep Down , SaynoTony http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/05/momentum-is-growing-for-abbott-to-step-down/ [i]Tim Andrews questions the recent rash of left-wing activists calling for Tony Abbott’s resignation, Saynotony[/i]may I point out that its not the LEFT that a calling for Abbott to resign it is his own party http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/tim-andrews-questions-the-recent-rash-of-left-wing-activists-calling-for-tony-abbotts-resignation/ [i]Tony Abbott Caught out making money from the floods., Australian Politics TV[/i]http://australianpoliticstv.org/2011/02/05/tony-abbott-caught-out-making-money-from-the-floods/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AustralianPoliticsTv+%28Australian+Politics+TV%29 [i]Frustration high in Yasi aftermath, ABC[/i] A man at a media conference outside the Tully evacuation centre expressed his frustration that politicians are touring the area. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/05/3130932.htm [i]Tony Abbott & the Anti FloodLevy, AB Watson[/i] Tony Abbott is the most divisive Party Leader Australia has seen in my 38 years of voting. The constant negativity and obstructionism this supposed Christian http://abwatson.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/90/ [i]Little more needs be said,Gary Sauer-Thompson , Public opinion[/i] As Ross Garnaut warned that global warming will lead to more severe weather events http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2011/02/little-more-nee.php#more Newspapers: [i]Scrap donations and reap the benefits , David Penberthy, Herald Sun[/i]Tony Abbott has copped plenty of deserved flak over his ludicrous defence of the Liberal Party's decision to solicit donations http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/scrap-donations-and-reap-the-benefits/story-fn6bn88w-1226000728272 [i]Abbott leads only opposition , Laurie Anderson, Adelaide Now[/i] Mr Abbott is very happy for hardworking Australians to fork out for his own campaign against the flood levy. But he doesn't think hardworking Australians should have to fork out for the levy itself. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/anderson-do-something-or-oppose-everything/story-fn6br25t-1226000741500 [i]Abbott levy response hamfisted: Liberals , Jessica Wright, SMH[/i]we are looking at a bun fight in Parliament over the levy when Labor's immigration policy should be in the spotlight. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/abbott-levy-response-hamfisted-liberals-20110205-1ahmp.html [i]Rinehart's road to riches no easy ride , SMH[/i] Using the media as a lever to pressure the government is something her father did. http://www.smh.com.au/business/rineharts-road-to-riches-no-easy-ride-20110204-1agsk.html

Lyn

6/02/2011Good Morning Hillbilly Thankyou for your wishes, about the heat, but I think we will have to wait awhile yet. I am getting ready for The Insiders, I hope they don't let me down again, as they did all last year. Have a nice day Hillbilly celebrating.

TalkTurkey

6/02/2011HFS We do feel empathy with you in that heat wave. We get it hot in SA but it's mostly dry heat. It's horrible when it's humid, and you've had it hot and humid in spades. Relief today. The obscene Abbortt must be tying himself in knots over climate change being crap on one hand and on t'other siding with those who reckon we need an disaster fund now (and of course Labor should have had it done within hours of taking office, like the dams that we should have had built even if the Coalition opposed them at the time)because erm disasters seem to be getting so much more common these days . . . but climate change, nahhh, crap . . . erm . . . Stop the Trees! Urrgghhh. There's Abbortt now with Cassidy actually asking a few proper questions on the Levy and the Funding and his nasty little plea for anti-levy-campaign donations. ABBORTT IS NEAR TO FINISHED. HOORAY! JUST READ THE RECENT POSTS AND ARTICLES. HE'S DONE. HE'S DITHERED. The media have turned on him and he is beyond saving. I will delight in watching his slow but inevitable decline. The longer the better really, as the Liberal Party becomes increasingly obviously directionless. "This is a bad Government" says he to Cassidy. Cassidy has abandoned him, Oakes has abandoned him, I am watching his fall. Julia Gillard is smacking the Bongionos and clones in the teeth with their interruptions and snide questions. The tide has turned. Savva is pretty rancid. "It's such a piddling little levy" she says, (so why introduce it she implied), but if so why oppose it so hatefully? "Julia Gillard is I - I - I - Me - Me - Me" says Niki. We really need to focus on and rate these people on their pronouncements. REALLY hold them to account. You bet the pollies and the journos are watching political blogsites now. RUPERT is watching political blogsites now! And more and more. Dennis Atkins seems OK and the other woman (?) is decent. Julia Gillard:"I've been appp-solutely amazed . . ." (at Abbortt's hamfistedness) Go Girl. Loughnane and wife are a chortle for the Left now too. I bet nearly every Swordie's watching Insiders today. Can't wait for first Question Time. Let me remind you that Ad astra has consented to being nominated for a position on the ABC Board, application must be in by this Friday coming. If you have an anedote about him or a point of view about the value and relevance of his work on TPS which will help to achieve this, now's the time to tell it. It's a great opportunity to help return the ABC to People's Auntie status.

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6/02/2011LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/Lyns-Daily-Links.aspx

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6/02/2011Folks Today is the birthday of our youngest daughter – the one married to The Web Monkey – and the birthday party is at our pad. So my computer will be relegated to the bedroom and I will not get a chance to get back to it until late afternoon. Have a happy day.

Lyn

6/02/2011Hi Ad Ad I thought "The Insiders" was a slight improvement this morning, Barrie Cassidy seemed a tiny bit more balanced. The introductory videos were rigged in a way to make Mr Abbott's comments appear and sound better than they actually were, in cutting these clips in this way, Mr Abbotts comments were distorted in his favour. Barrie made Mr Abbott look stupid, two particular questions that I noted: Mr Abbott has said it is easy for the Government to make cuts out of the budget, when asked what cuts Mr Abbott would make, he said they will make a package available in coming days. Mr Abbott said it is not easy for the him to make the budget cuts [b]Big Gotcha[/b] Barrie Cassidy asked "did you read the email asking for donations before signing it" Mr Abbott said he read the text of a letter, The Liberal Party added the request for donations. Mr Abbott is the Liberal Party [b]Big Gotcha[/b] Barrie Cassidy pressed further on the email Mr Abbott said "Look Barrie I am not going to get into the game you are playing. [b]Small Gotcha[/b] Mr Abbott said three times "this is a Bad Government, getting worse" he said the Government is so very finely balanced. I said "would it be different for you Mr Abbott if you get the Independents" [b]My Gotcha[/b] Nikki Savva, well I think she is very well experienced and has great knowledge, about whether Julia Gillard is wooden or not, because her own whole demeanour is wooden, sorry Nikki to be personal, but your hair looks like combed tooth picks. The flood Levy is such a piddling little levy she says. Well I say [b]"Piddling Little"[/b] has caused a whole big piddling lot of trouble. Mr Abbott has another new Slogan: "Fair Go For Families" one thing wrong, it has four words. There were "More Stop The" uttered, but I missed those words, I had to stuff the chicken for lunch. I thought everyone would be pleased to know, that Mr Abbott would much rather be in his position, than Julia Gillards, this is important because Mr Abbott said so. Thankyou Talk Turkey, I think you have summed up fantastic: [quote]This is a bad Government" says he to Cassidy. Cassidy has abandoned him, Oakes has abandoned him, I am watching his fall. Julia Gillard is smacking the Bongionos and clones in the teeth with their interruptions and snide questions. The tide has turned. Savva is pretty rancid. "It's such a piddling little levy" she says, (so why introduce it she implied), but if so why oppose it so hatefully? "Julia Gillard is I - I - I - Me - Me - Me" says Niki.[/quote]

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011Lyn and Talk Turkey, Great summaries of Insiders. The woman who you were referring to on the 'Left' side of the couch was Lenore Taylor of The Sydney Morning Herald. She used to be at The Australian but left in disgust. Which must mean she is a very smart woman with a lot of integrity. She fair smacked Niki Savva out of the ballpark this morning whenever Ms Savva started getting uppity and trying to run Coalition Talking Points instead of considered commentary. Lenore's no Labor stooge either, she'll let the ALP have it with both barrels when she thinks they deserve it, which sometimes they most certainly do. As does any political party. Which is why I like her so much, even if she was the one who virtually killed off Kevin Rudd as PM with her story that he was going to abandon Climate Change action. Still, he was the one who made the decision... All in all, not as bad a start to the Insiders year as I was fearing. As lyn outlined, Barrie's interview of One Trick Tony was more probing than usual last year. I wonder if the journalists who actually got to have holidays over the Xmas/New Year period, like Barrie, took the time to read some of the blogs and Drum Unleashed, etc., and got the message we have all been banging on about wrt the 'Softball' interviews of the Opposition. I hope so. I also hope Barrie realises that he got more newsworthy information out of Abbott by going in a bit harder than he ever did by just letting Tony trot out his Talking Points and attack lines. lyn, I did my listening to Insiders while baking a couple of Banana cakes. :)

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011Ad Astra, Happy Birthday to your youngest daughter! As an Aquarian I am sure she is a unique individual. :) With parents like you and Marion, I can guarantee it.

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011Cartoon in today’s Sunday Age Picture – Abbott rattling a collection tin along side a noticeboard with this message in large letters: COALITION DISASTER APPEAL – PLEASE GIVE – WE’VE LOST EVERYTHING: DIGNITY, CREDIBILITY, SOUND JUDGEMENT…

jj

6/02/2011I love is it how you all love Laurie Oakes one minute and hate him the next. You call Barry Cassidy unbalanced on Insiders when he was an ex Labor Party staffer. Mark Latham was once your hero and now he is an evil Liberal lover. You shouldnt criticise someone on their looks, apart from if it is nikki Savva because she once batted for the other team. Andrew Bolt and other conservative commentators are bad, but left wing commentators are fair and balanced etc etc. Your hypocrisy is boundless! Your piece AA was once again a whole lot of rubbish. The conservative side of politics is no where near as extreme as that in the US; just as the left in Australia is no where near as far left as that in the US. Remember it was the conservative side of politics that bought back guns! The language used in the US is far more extreme than that used here. In Australia Abbott calls Gillard, "wooden", and Gillard calls Abbott, "extreme" and "disgusting", now i wouldnt call that extreme, violence inspiring language! Now i know you love drawing parallels between the Tea Party and the Liberals, but they are just totally different! It is like me comparing the Chinese Communist dictatorship with the Labor Party! On the issue of Abbott and whether he will survive; i dont believe he will be around before years end. When having to make the choice between Gillard and Abbott i chose Abbott; however i am a believer in the capabilities of Malcolm Turnbull, and i still believe he will become PM one day. I will give you a scenario: Later this year when Abbott's approval ratings drop, Robb will challenge Julie Bishop for the deputy leaders position. This move will spark action by Joe Hockey to challenge Abbott, as if Robb wins the deputy leadership position he will want treasury. A challenge for the Liberal leadership will be mounted, and it will be a two horse race between Turnbull and Hockey. hockey will be pipped at the post by Turnbull, because Turnbull has the gravitas, and statesman like qualities that are needed in a PM and Hockey doesnt. By the end of the year Gillard will have failed to implement a carbon tax and her mining tax and will be out of favour with the independents and the public. Oakkshott will jump ship to the Coalition, as will Wilkie and the Coalition will be in government by January. Just face it, Gillard does not possess the qualities that a PM needs: salesmanship, good political senses, a policy brain, and a great speech deliverer. If the public dislike her that much now, just wait until the great bucket of policy reversals is dumped on the Australian people! At least the Liberal Party has leadership options...Labor has no one.

Jason

6/02/2011jj, Yes Turnbull was such a great salesman he lost his job!So the rest of your post is just a rewrite of history

Lyn

6/02/2011Hi Ad Wonder how the Insider's statement of Mr Abbott's, re cutting back on the "water Buy back scheme", in the Murray Darling is going to play out. Mr Rabbitt says there is "plenty of water", der, der, der, I assume he means the recent Queensland disasterous floods. Wonder does Rabbitt predict massive floods every year now, like the flood levy is going to be permanent, he said, so now the disaster floods are going to be permanent. [b]"Saynotony" on Mr Abbott's interview on Insiders just brilliant:[/b][i] Tony Abbott on ABC Insiders 6 Feb 2011, Saynotony[/i] Abbott just went back on the negative attack , STOP THE TAX , STOP THE BOATS , STOP STOP STOP… [b]Video "Insiders" in case you missed it[/b] http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/tony-abbott-on-abc-insiders-6-feb-2011/ There is lots more opinions coming in from the Bloggs and Newspapers, on Abbotts Insiders gaffes, too many to post right now. Cheers

Jason

6/02/2011jj, You went for Abbott because you thought his slogans would get you back into government, Turnbull who you now think is the "Prime Minister"in waiting got rolled!because everything he stood for the party hated. So now you tell us that when Turnbull becomes leader again and leads in his own right that everything he stood for will be embraced once again and everything that Abbott has done will have been for nothing! jj was it you ou your invisable friend who put the post up today?

nasking

6/02/2011[quote]Lyn and Talk Turkey, Great summaries of Insiders.[/quote] Yers was useful too Feral. I reckon Cassidy did a pretty good job of gettin’ stuck into Abbott…Abbott made some errors because of the pressure he put on him by way of follow-up questions. sanqween thought same. My wife. Ya coulda knocked me down w/ a feather…I’m not used to Cassidy givin’ the Righties a grillin’. Speakin’ of “wooden”…I reckon Abbott’s nose coulda reached the camera’s like Pinocchios he told so many porkys. We know he read the entire email asking for donations. It was not a good one for Abbott at all. The rot has set in. Lenore Taylor & Dennis Atkins were pretty balanced all up. Not Nikki Sava…but she’s a Liberal hack. Worked for Costello…but even she acknowledged there are rumblings in the Coalition camp. When Cassidy pressed Abbott on whether people should give to the needy flood victims or the Liberal Party, Abbott stuffed up completely. A disaster. It’s a MUST watch. sanqween yelled at the TV: “He’s stuffed it…after all that lack of sensitivity…can ya believe how selfish & ambitious that man is?…he can’t tell his supporters just to give to the flood victims!!!…tells ya everything about him…defines the man…it’s all about him, him, him!!!” N’

nasking

6/02/2011BTW Feral, the devil's advocate left ya a comment at: http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/the-wrecker-or-mr-negabore-comes-to-canberra/#comment-17960 Might give ya a hint as to where I was comin' from...well out from the pre-budget madness & just before parliament sits. :) Lyn, luved the GOTCHA. N'

NormanK

6/02/2011Dear Mr Koch, Mr Mitchell, Mr Bolt, Mr Jones, Mr Abbott et al, Once a disaster had been declared in Central Queensland in recognition of the magnitude of the floods sweeping through the area, the first of several measures were brought into action. The Federal Government, our Federal Government (YOUR Federal Government) announced that Income Support Payments would be made to assist people who could not work as a direct consequence of the flooding. Bloody socialists, eh. Fancy providing $500/week/person just because they couldn't get to work! [quote]Income support payments to assist people unable to work would also be available.[/quote] http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3128937.htm As the flood crisis widened this support was given to the remainder of Southern Queensland as, district by district, people began to be impacted by this massive disaster. Now parts of NSW, large swathes of Victoria and the North Coast of Queensland have been extended this same support in response to flooding and Cyclone Yasi. No doubt if sections of South Western Victoria qualify for disaster relief they will also be able to access these funds. On top of this, CentreLink is providing federal funds in the form of Disaster Recovery Payments to the tune of $1000/adult and $400/child for those who qualify by falling within a generous set of parameters. As of today, Sunday 6th February the bill is up over $400 million without taking into account Cyclone Yasi and South Western Victoria, [b]$100m in welfare being paid every week[/b] [quote]CYCLONE Yasi will push welfare payments made since the start of the year to half a billion dollars. So far for 2011, the sum of $100million is being granted to disaster victims every week. More than $421million in government disaster recovery payments has been made in five weeks and these figures do not take into account Cyclone Yasi. Centrelink has recruited 600 temporary staff in addition to their normal workforce to deal with natural disaster enquiries in January.[/quote] http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/100m-in-welfare-being-paid-every-week/2067966.aspx A quick sum on the extra temporary staff might be informative as well. Six hundred employees at, let's say, $600/week = $360 000 per week just in wages. Should we discuss office space, computer and ancillary equipment, electricity and phone bills? Printer ink perhaps? Now, where do you reckon these funds are coming from? Remember this is the same government you have chastised for not being prepared for a vaguely foreseeable disaster, it is fair to say we could expect to have at least one flood or major fire or cyclone or storm event this summer. You may recall that there is a thing called the Contingency Fund built into the Federal Budget (yes, Kochie and Mitchell - the piggy bank with money "just sitting there" itching to be spent). If it has not already been drawn upon to supply money for these welfare payments, it most certainly will be before the next Budget is handed down. Once Cyclone Yasi is factored in, it would not be unreasonable to expect the over-all welfare bill to reach $1 billion. Do you recall, Andrew, bitching about the lousy $1 million contribution to the Premier's Disaster Fund made by the Gillard Government? Since then, a further $10 million has been dropped into that particular bucket. Remember that these are welfare payments made to individuals to off-set hardship, they are nothing to do with compensation or small business loans or primary producer support. And most certainly they are not related in any way to the rebuilding of infrastructure which will be required to get [b]Australia[/b] back on its feet. So Kochie and Mitchell, still think we should be dipping into the Contingency Fund to help pay for the rebuild? I look forward to your apology for making such a stupid suggestion. Mr Bolt, do you still see the Federal Government's contribution to the well-being of its populace as being stingy? I look forward to your apology for making such a knee-jerk partisan suggestion. Mr Abbott, just what essential services would you now be cutting to cover the shortfall in the Contingency Fund because you were going to alter the formula and "save" $2.5 billion across the forward estimates? I look forward to the list of "fat" projects you would have found in your own budget. http://www.scribd.com/doc/36771897/Coalition-Costings These are relatively rough figures. Oh if only I had better resources and research skills like, say ... oh I don't know ... a professional journalist perhaps? A special note to Mr Abbott. Cyclone Yasi was a [b]Category 5 Cyclone[/b]. It was not a "storm". In colloquial parlance, a storm might be as small as an average city block or as large as an entire city. A Cat 5 cyclone with an overall diameter of 1000 kilometres is NOT a storm. Your attempts to belittle even this aspect of the recent disaster disgusts me.

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011jj, Where do I start? Basically, it's great to have archiving on the site because I am so going to throw your crystal ball predictions back atcha in 12 months, after we see what has truly come to pass. :) Now, as for your Malcolm Turnbull the Second thesis. To the majority of Australians he is a Point Piper toff with zero ethics(Godwin Grech, Goldman Sachs & HIH Insurance deals). I understand that the ALP and the media have quite a dossier on him which was ready to go if there was an election against him. Instead he metaphorically shot himself before anyone else could, and so had to vacate the Liberal leadership. So, to advocate him for the leadership again, a la Howard, because he's the Gold Standard in recycled Liberal leaders, is, frankly laughable. The words 'Damaged Goods', immediately spring to mind there. However, I must say, that the so-called 'rumblings', via, it seems, this weekend's article by Phillip Adams in The Weekend Australian, wherein, supposedly, Labor MPs are speakingTrutat year, about Kevin Rudd being drafted to come back as PM due to JG's 'disastrous' performance over the Xmas break in Queensland, are also risible. It's not going to happen. Nor should it. Kevin was cut a lot of slack, but that's exactly what he ended up showing the electorate, that he was too slack to be Prime Minister. He refused to delegate, did not run a good Cabinet style government, and the Office of PM&C was a shambles where decision-making seemed to get lost in some Black Hole instead of coming out of there to the rest of the government.

Lyn

6/02/2011Hi Ad Guess what you have two more followers on Twitter today: Thankyou very much to Tredlgt Thankyou very much to hillbillySkill All you followers are very much appreciated. Cheers

Rx

6/02/2011Nasking, [i]Speakin’ of “wooden”…I reckon Abbott’s nose coulda reached the camera’s like Pinocchios he told so many porkys. [/i] This cartoon is apt - today and every day! http://sayno2tonyabbott.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/cjohnstonphonytonyl.jpg

nasking

6/02/2011He he...nice one Rx. My new post: Climate change...what me worry? http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/climate-change-what-me-worry/ [quote]Frankly, why would I let the floods in Queensland, Victoria, Brazil, Europe, the UK (did ya see those centuries old bridges crack & crash into the roaring waters?…great live images), a huge area of Pakistan , China, and gawd knows how many other places in recent years, worry me? Not when I’ve got my dry couch...and reassuring Bolt blog.[/quote] Cheers N'

jj

6/02/2011Jason & FS, I am sorry but i cannot agree. The Liberal party didnt hate everything he stood for, remember, he only lost by one vote! Not everyone is like you FS, and judges peole by their postcode. Most Australian's like to have people who have succeeded in the business world to run the economy. So what if the Labor party has dirt on Turnbull! Gillard has the worst political past of any PM i can remember! As for the insiders stuff, sure what Abbott said might be getting a run in the left wing blogger-sphere but who reads that stuff apart from political junkies? What are the ratings numbers for insiders for that matter? Just think, you support a woman who destroys anyones career to pursue her own; Simon Crean, Beazley, Latham and Rudd. She is partly the reason for your beloved Labor Party losing so many seats at the last election. She is part of the reason for your party dumping the ETS. She is the reason for the citizens Assembly and the Cash for Clunkers etc etc. She is a failure...but you have no one to replace her!

Jason

6/02/2011jj, The sort of tosh you have posted again might look like reasonable stuff at the New England Nationals sub branch meeting but here it doesn't wash. Are you telling me Gillard's political past is worse than Howard's? "Most Australian's like to have people who have succeeded in the business world to run the economy." Really whats has Abbott done? And look at that High School drop out and former band manager Keating He's done more for our economy than either Howard Costello Abbott and even Turnbull have or would ever do. The only GREAT BIG NEW TAX WE GOT WAS THE GST jj your an opportunist you've smelt the political breeze realised Abbott is on borrowed time so you've come on here to convince yourself that you always supported Turnbull! Well I remember you saying was it last weekend Abbott will be PM by years end!

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6/02/2011Folks It was a great party. I enjoyed reading your comments. I agree that Insiders was better than expected. I thought Barrie Cassidy was even handed and pressed Tony Abbott appropriately, exposing Abbott's shallowness and disingenuous. Viki Savva behaved like a Liberal operative, except when she criticized Brian Loughnan and his wife. As usual Lenore Taylor was superb and Dennis Atkins sensible. Julia handled her interview on Channel Ten well, continuing to show that she is not prepared to take cheek or tripe from interviewers. Michelle Grattan tried on a 'will you guarantee' question which got it's just deserts. Malcolm Farr was sensible. Overall I feel it was a good day for Julia and a poor one for Tony. jj's analysis is interesting. As usual his/her view of Julia was jaundiced. Nothing she does is ever right. Your reply FS to jj was on the money. Now watching the end of the cricket. It looks like being a good outcome for Australia.

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011jj, I don't judge anyone by the postcode of their humble abode, I was merely reiterating what I had read, just recently, about the general public's lasting impression of Turnbull. Also, if you class someone as 'successful in business' and thus eminently qualified to run the country, you obviously haven't come across the 'successful' businessmen that I have, and who have a lot in common with Mr Turnbull to my experienced eye. Also knowing what I do about his record as a businessman, the words, 'successful Shark', are more apt. I mean, can you honestly support a man who was prepared to almost denude a tropical island of its forrest, just to make a buck? I can't. Thus it is because of actions such as that, plus the fact he stacked the Branches of the Liberal Party in the electorate of Wentworth with his supporters, and yes, Labor people do exactly the same thing and I don't approve of it then either, in order to unseat a perfectly good sitting Member, that I don't have a very high opinion of his potential as a future Prime Minister of our country. Yes, Turnbull does have the courage of his convictions over the issue of Climate Change, but one swallow does not a Summer make. I guess, at the end of the day, I am a sad and lonely idealist. I just want good people to have stewardship of my country.

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011Here's an example of someone in the media, Jessica Wright, doing the right thing, the correct thing, and writing a piece which provides a corrective to someone else, loosely classed as being in the media, who has made it his life's work since leaving politics to manifest in print and on TV, 'The Right to Be Angry'. Mark Latham. http://www.smh.com.au/national/loves-labor-loser-latham-gets-lashed-20110205-1ahmm.html

Lyn

6/02/2011Hi Hillbilly [quote]honestly support a man who was prepared to almost denude a tropical island of its forrest, just to make a buck? [/quote] Yes Hillbilly, and do you notice, this fact is unreported by the MSM, Mr Turnbull goes off scott free, how sus. Anyway setting up 2am appointments delivering papers in lonely car parks, meeting Godwin Gretch in secret offices, using a Treasury stooge for information against the Government. Utegate not forgotton, not decent behaviour at all. Suspect moral standards, don't you think. Business man appearance means nothing to me, ethics count. Your banana cake would have been a delicious sweet, with my stuffed baked chicken for lunch. Cheers

TalkTurkey

6/02/2011 And those behind cried "Forward!" And those in front cried "Back!" - Lays of Ancient Rome THOMAS BABINGTON MACAULAY English author, historian, statesman and poet (1800 - 1859) Anyone who watched Sunday morning TV saw Tony Abbortt being put to, if not exactly the sword, the suggestion of a gradual plucking of his little Budgie . . . Not the actual plucking, just the tweaking of the bulge a little . . . a suggestion of tickling it with matchsticks . . . lit ones! . . . and he knows he's in deep do-do, er uh ah, read his chimpy lips! (Apologies Cuz!) Cassidy actually put some real questions to him and Abbortt was a FAIL in spades. And that, friends, is like blood in the water. And when I say anyone who watched, that includes his hitherto sycophants - Hoo Hah, didja catch that jj's already ditched Abbortt? Doesn't take long for little sharks to find a wound in a bigger one, yum yum, chomp rip gulp, it's an ill political death that doesn't provide a chance of a feed for all the other hopefuls. But this will be a slower death, Abbortt holding on for grim death (yep!) and his mates circling . . . Julia Gillard stabbed Kevin Rudd? Just watch the bloodletting now in the Coalition! If jj wants a prognostication, well I might or might not agree that Abbortt will be aborted before the end of the year, but just glaum on the fun we will have in the meantime! The sharks circling, all eyeing each other, making alliances they have no intention of honouring if Machiavellian considerations point elsewise . . . the grassroots membership getting peeed off with their parties' failure and directionlessness . . . Labor gradually getting the wood on them (oughta be a pun on that for our "wooden" PM eh) and going steadily ahead in the polls . . . And as people start to get just a little bit undumbed, the sort of base that nearly put Abbortt in power will shrink little by little, and THAT will really have the Coalition panicking. They will have no idea which way to run, for they are without a coherent ideological credo. What will Turnbull do? His name is suddenly everywhere again. Robb? Pah. Snotty Joe? Our tame guru jj doesn't think so, but kids do like that Shrek thing . . . Poodle-Do, don't make me blurrrkkhh! The rest are really pretty obscure. And NONE of them is any bloody good. Turnbull has it all over them for gravitas, and he must be fulminating away, plotting . . . But even Turnbull is anathema to the Rotten Right. Too Wet. I don't like him neither, but I think he's the least weevil. He doesn't automatonically always say No. Which last has been Abbortt's position on everything, and which now is bringing him down. Hoorraaaaa!

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011This is where I live! http://www.smh.com.au/travel/commercial-break-20110204-1ag31.html Well, not in Singo's house, but just up the road and around the corner, so to speak. :)

Lyn

6/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey Magic stuff love your words: [quote]but I think he's the least weevil. He doesn't automatonically always say No. Which last has been Abbortt's position on everything, and which now is bringing him down. Hoorraaaaa[/quote]! With all this going on and the Senate 1st July, irrelevance is drawing very near, what would you say, creeping, creeping, watch out irrelevance will get you miserable Liberals. Love this brilliant para: [quote]Doesn't take long for little sharks to find a wound in a bigger one, yum yum, chomp rip gulp, it's an ill political death [/quote] Cheers

Feral Skeleton

6/02/2011Talk Turkey, I think we have to sit tight and see how the first week of Parliament goes, for all with skin in the game. My guess is that the Victorians are feeling emboldened since their victory in the State election, and think they should strike while their irons are hot and Tony is making people's blood run cold. It's obvious someone has to go from the Liberal Leadership of Tony Abbott, Peta Credlin and Brian Loughnane. That's the fight that will be taken on by the Coalition first, before the Main Event. Interestingly, as is his wont, Barnaby has sniffed the wind, and he is actually defending Julia Gillard against Malevolent Mark Latham's latest attack, instead of joining in the kicking. :) http://www.smh.com.au/national/loves-labor-loser-latham-gets-lashed-20110205-1ahmm.html

D Mick Weir

6/02/2011Hi jj, you made some interesting points in you comment @ February 6. 2011 01:11 PM. Yes, the Labor party has a [i]'special gift'[/i] for hate and it is that the Irish Catholic faction do with with relish. The liberal Party has its' own way of doing it as well ... in recent times the treatment of Malcolm Fraser springs to mind. I quite enjoyed your prognostications on the possible [i]leadership turmoils[/i] that may beset your beloved party and while I don't quite see it unfolding the way you do, I suspect you are right, that Malcolm Turnbull will be leader of the party again sometime in the not too distant future. For those who scoff at the idea I will remind you that I have commented before that MT has set up a number of people in strategic positions around the country who will, when the time comes, swing a lot of numbers his way. To torture a quote [i]'Look West Young People'[/i] and you will find some interesting clues. Mark these words now, jj is right, but, from the wrong reasoning.

D Mick Weir

7/02/2011Ad, thank you for your post. You are once again [i]on the money.[/i] and have written something that I wish I could have written. (I owe you an apology, I tried to rate it a 5 star piece and well fumble fingered and I think I clicked 3 stars instead. Bah Humbug, must remember to look before I click!!!) Although it is not along the lines you have written about Waleed Alis' Quarterly Essay (Issue 37) [b]What's Right[/b] [i]The future of Conservatism in Australia[/i] points out a large part of the problem for the opposition parties. [i]'Most profoundly, conservatives no longer seemed to have a compelling vision of the future - and arguably still don't.'[/i] With no vision for the future the opposition is currently left with a [i]'brand of politics (that) is unlikely to work because public opinion is swiftly leaving it behind'[/i] In my opinion, while ever that the conservative politics is lost and can't see a future for itself and the country it will thrash about seeking only to destroy its' opponents instead of steadily building the great country that we have. There is a problem, on both sides, conservative and progressive, that there is no compelling vision for the future of this country (and the world?) and, unfortunately, in this climate the destroyers and naysayers get a free ride.

Lyn

7/02/2011[b]TODAY'S LINKS[/b] [i]Newspoll: 52-48 to Coalition, William Bowe, The Poll Bludger[/i]All told, a most curious set of numbers. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/ [i]Tony Abbott has things on his mind. None of them good.ashghebranious , Ash's Machiavellian Bloggery[/i] you want to give $100K interest free loans to almost every business in the country! Where the hell are you going to pay for that? http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/tony-abbott-has-things-on-his-mind-none-of-them-good/ [i]Daily Fix, Australian Politics TV[/i] It’s Australia’s single largest collection of political videos in one place.Enjoy! Tony Abbott Caught out making money from the floods. http://australianpoliticstv.org/category/daily-fix/ [i]Tony Abbott heckled + Tonys Leadership on the line, Australian [/i]Politics TV. Video http://australianpoliticstv.org/2011/02/06/tony-abbott-heckled-tonys-leadership-on-the-line/ [i]Mendacious, ugly, disgraceful & cringeworthy" - and that's just his good point, Clarencegirl, North Coast Voices[/i] No wonder Tony Abbott's percentages continue to look like this: http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com/2011/02/mendacious-ugly-disgraceful-and.html [i]Expect worse. Swan on the economic impact, Peter Martin[/i]the floods will take ½ percentage point off the nation’s growth in 2010-11, http://www.petermartin.com.au/ [i]Tony Abbott’s Leadership now“Terminal”,Reb, Gutter Trash[/i]Tony Abbott’s leadership of the Federal Opposition is now considered terminal by many in the ranks of the Coalition following a string of disastrous blunders and misjudging http://guttertrash.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/4107/ Saynotony has been providing us with a wealth of information: [i]The UN-Australian Newspaper AKA The Australian Attack, Saynotony[/i] The Australian will stop at nothing to make sure it Paints Gillard Negative to give Abbott more momentum. http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/06/the-un-australian-newspaper-aka-the-australian-attack/ [i]Abbott levy response hamfisted:Liberals,Saynotony[/i]growing concerns within the party that Mr Abbott’s response to the flood levy has been ”hamfisted and half-cocked” http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/abbott-levy-response-hamfisted-liberals/ [i]Should Tony Abbott be Rolled in 2011 ?, Saynotony[/i] in case you need a little reminder please watch the below 6 videos http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/06/should-tony-abbott-be-rolled-in-2011/ [i]We Shall not forget or forgive – Abbott on Health,Saynotony[/i]my hand is sore copying and pasting all his lies and deception. Abbott can not be trusted http://sayno2tonyabbott.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/we-shall-not-forget-or-forgive-abbott-on-health Newspaper: [i]Reveal repair funds, Tony Abbott told , Lauren Wilson, The Australian.[/i] Minister Tony Burke yesterday dismissed Mr Abbott's plan to defer the water buybacks. he is effectively saying we should only buy water if there's none there," http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/reveal-repair-funds-tony-abbott-told/story-fn59niix-1226001142151

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7/02/2011LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/Lyns-Daily-Links.aspx

adelaidegirl

7/02/2011And on this from jj, [quote]and the Coalition will be in government by January.[/quote] I thought the PM and government had been sworn in by the GG. Is it really so simple for Tones to take over? Is it really, jj?

TalkTurkey

7/02/2011THE GOBBLE "Phoney" Tony Abbortt is on his way down, according to everybody on the planet. In reports going feral in both mainstream media and blogsites, and confirmed by political expert jj, Abbortt now ranks lower than a maggot in the opinion of 99.7% of the known population, while 0.27% objected to the metaphor on humanitarian grounds on the basis that they had had no personal reason to despise maggots. The remaining .003% began hyperventilating at the mention of Abbortt's name, and could not express an opinion.

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7/02/2011Folks I'm getting on the road now to the south coast. Back this evening.

Lyn

7/02/2011Hi Ad [i]Liberals admit mistake in flood levy saga, Sky News[/i] Tony Abbott has made an [b]admission of sorts [/b]that the Liberal Party erred http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx? id=574217&vId= Next Program: Monday 7 February 2011 at 9:35pm Next Program's panellists Graham Richardson - former Labor minister Amanda Vanstone - former Liberal minister David Williamson - Australian playwright Catherine Deveny - comedian and social commentator Gerard Henderson - historian and conservative commentator http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/ Have a nice day Ad

Feral Skeleton

7/02/2011I'd like to be dancing on Tony Abbott's political grave, but I'm not so sure he's in it yet, or even on the way. I think that, metaphorically, someone will have to put a stake through that man's evil heart before he goes down permanently, and the only ones that will ever get close enough are members of his own Coalition. Today's Newspoll numbers certainly are showing that there is a stubbornly resistant chunk of the electorate which will not abandon the Coalition after the last election, for some reason. Or, to put it another way, they cannot warm again to the Labor government, no matter what seems to go on that we may see the positives in. Then, there is the fact that the gap between Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard in 'Preferred Prime Minister' has Narrowed, and the Primary Vote of the ALP has gone further down into the 'Death Zone' at 32%. So, much as we may wish it to be so, that Tony Abbott should be being given the bum's rush, and know it should be different for the ALP for a host of very valid reasons. It ain't. I, for one an not buying a Party dress yet for the wake. There's still a very long way to go before we get to that point. I've still got my work clothes on and a shovel in my hand, and I'm going to keep digging the hole for him. :)

jj

7/02/2011Newspoll made some interesting reading this morning. I thought that Labor might have pulled ahead a little, however it seems as though the rest of the electorate hasnt warmed at all to Gillard over the break. it is funny how everyone on this blog have been calling the death of Abbott for a long while now, and yet the Liberal Party have been close or ahead in the polls for a long time now. It seems to me that you are not at all connected with the views of the rest of Australia.

Jason

7/02/2011jj, We'll see how Abbott fares after the "Levy" legislation is put up on Thursday, with some of the most hardest hit areas of QLD are Coalition seats! Interesting also jj Former NSW Premier and Lib Finance Min. John Fahey to Chair Reconstruction Inspectorate. Cuts off at the knees, any possibility of the Libs accusing the Govt of poor spending or worst still, “waste & incompetence”!

Jason

7/02/2011jj, I see your looking at the wrong poll! the only poll that really matters is with Wilkie, Bandt, Windsor and Oakshott!

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7/02/2011Folks Back at the South Coast, but won't be commenting tonight. It should be an interesting evening on TV. Thanks Lyn for the details of the panel on Q&A. Thank you FS and Jason for having the patience to respond to jj.

Jason

7/02/2011AA, " Thank you FS and Jason for having the patience to respond to jj. " Think nothing of it anything to help the work experience kid out

BSA Bob

7/02/2011Stop Press!!!!! Bipartisan Tony is no more!!!!! Blathering on the 9 news that John Fahey's appointment indicates that Labor admits it can't be trusted with money. So much for all sitting down together to nut it out. He would have run that line anyway if he'd been allowed within a hundred miles of the budgetary process, not that it was ever going to happen. He wouldn't have been picked up for his double crossing if he'd run that line then, & I don't reckon he'll be picked up for his about face & double standard now.

2353

7/02/2011I suspect could be the beginning of the end for Abbott - he is damaged goods. All that has to happen is for Gillard and Labor to remind the world about the "donate now" email every time Abbott criticises any announcement. Appointing John Fahey to the role of reconstruction overseer is clever on two counts - he has a reasonable reputation (primarily from the Sydney Olympics) and every time Abbott tries a "waste and mismanagement" line - the obvious answer is that Fahey approved it. The big question is will Gillard and Labor point out the bleeding obvious when the occasion presents itself? (The other option is that Tony Windsor or Rod Oakeshott suggested Fahey - which shows where the real political brains in the Country are!!). After I read JJ's latest proclamation I remembered Tony Windsor being asked on TV about Abbott's claim that the independents were going to "change sides". From memory the response was "Who's Tony think he's kidding?". I suspect the answer won't have changed in the past few weeks - Abbott is generally considered to be more than usually obstructionist, uncaring and selfish since the Queensland Floods. Desperation does funny things!

Lyn

7/02/2011Hi BSA Bob [quote]Bipartisan Tony is no more!!!!! [/quote] Abbott was never sincere.. Last week he was running around saying the Government had nobody in charge of the Flood Levy, nobody to complain to, so now they have, what does he say. This is all about trying to bring the Government down, before the new Senate 1st July. The words in the below link proves, Abbott's only aim is to try and prove the Government cannot be trusted. I guess Abbott will try to build up evidence somehow, then present to the Govener General, but I did think there had to be a vote of no confidence in Parliament first. BSA Bob you or somebody on here might know more about this and tell us. [b]Flood watchdog is a waste, says Abbott SMH February 7, 2011 - 3:19PM[/b][b] It's our job to do everything we can to bring about a change for the better as soon as possible."[/b] The fact is, you should not need a second bureaucracy to ensure that the first bureaucracy spends money wisely." http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/flood-watchdog-is-a-waste-says-abbott-20110207-1ajow.html Cheers

Graeme

7/02/2011Norman K. David Koch writes a column and dispenses on television advice on matters financial... yet the man either doesn't understand or is being deliberately disingenuous with regard to the role of the Contingency Fund in the Federal Budget. I wonder if those who follow his advice are aware of his incompetence and/or mendacity. I think I'd rather keep my hard earned under the mattress than heed his advice .

TalkTurkey

7/02/2011Prof. Skeleton said ". . . much as we may wish it to be so, that Tony Abbott should be being given the bum's rush, and know it should be different for the ALP for a host of very valid reasons. It ain't. I, for one am not buying a Party dress yet for the wake." Start sewin' Girl. I'll send a pair of Liar-Bird tail-feathers for you to shake. Won't be long. The MSM and the Coalition are running out of pffffrrrrt-gas to keep his balloon inflated. They will be increasingly desperate and dithered as to what to do. Abbortt will NEVER go higher in the polls than he is now, it's all downhill for him from here, he's done his dash, nothing fails ya like failure. The delightful thing is, there's no-one obvious amongst those who would like to knife him who would do better . . . so the Coalition is in a Queen-trap of its own making. It cannot help but fragment. Who's to believe anybody in the Coalition after Abbortt implodes? What do they believe in? It bloody serves them right.

Feral Skeleton

7/02/2011Graeme, As I have said before, there has become manifest, among the punditocracy and a lot of politicians, a new paradigm. They don't know the meaning of 'Wrong'! To admit that they had got something so wrong, when they had advanced it to their loyal camp followers on National television when 'interviewing' the Prime Minister, no less, and to have to make a humiliating backdown, would start the rot that would eventually lead to that particular individual being replaced in whatever position they occupy by a leaner and hungrier model. Of which there are always plenty waiting in the wings of TV studios. Not that their loyal audience know the hell what 'Kochie', the brand, as he has become, is going on about when he speaks about the Contingency Fund. However, when he characterises it as a 'Piggy Bank', well, any rube can understand the imagery. Which is all that counts. They also love it that 'Kochie', the 'Financial Whizz', smacked down the PM, and he has shown that he knows so much more than her. He knows about the Contingency Fund Piggy Bank, doncha know? "Good onya, Kochie!" QED. (I could write scripts for that Financial Failure, 'Kochie', in my sleep). :) Doesn't make for a valid political discourse though.

BSA Bob

7/02/2011The Australian Mainstream Media's Election Policy; "WE will decide who runs this country and the manner in which they run it."

TalkTurkey

7/02/2011I saw that disgraceful interruptive ignorant boorish exhibition by Koch. He has more on the top of his scalp than below it.

TalkTurkey

7/02/2011Is anyone watching 4 Corners? Did you hear O'Brien's introduction? " the wooden person we call Prime Minister" . . . and more about how she compared so poorly with Anna Bligh . . . It was all opinion, not fact, it was deliberately mischievous and malicious. It is payback for her having smacked him in the teeth for his disrespectful interview with her at the end of last year. Bastard! Remember my prescient line in "The Maid From Yarralumla" . . ? . . "There was sour Red Kez O'Brien, seemingly forever trying To skewer Julia with some subtle stab . . ." O'Brien is a bully and the ABC version of a TV Shock jock. He thinks It's All About Him. He has finally absolutely hitched his nasty little star to the Coalition. No wonder Maxine McKew quit HIS ABC. BRING BACK MAXINE! Yes indeed.

Lyn

7/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey Yes I heard the indroduction by O'Brien, I changed channels, not watching their rot, he's using Abbott's words, didn't Abbott start this wooden talk stuff. Cheers

Feral Skeleton

7/02/2011lyn, Sadly, if you watched Q&A you would have heard that it was the playwright, David Williamson, who was the first to use the term 'wooden' about the PM. He freely admitted it but complained that it was taken out of context by the media and politicians. He said he merely wanted to explain that a PM needs to be a salesperson and so he was suggesting that she not be so 'wooden' when making formal announcements. He also said that she was completely different in person and when making off the cuff remarks. He said that he only wished she was more like that when delivering scripted lines to camera.

Feral Skeleton

7/02/2011All I can say about Kerry O'Brien is that he now seems to have the sort of job with the ABC that any faithful retainer gets in a company when you are attempting to gracefully ease him/her out of the Exit door.

Feral Skeleton

7/02/2011Guess who's moved in with Kate Ellis, Minister for Workforce Participation & all-round beautiful person? David Penberthy! No wonder he wrote that nice article about JG last week that we all commented on. :)

tredlgt

8/02/2011 Why is newspoll ,which I assume is owned by murdoch somehow , given so much credence when it is obvious that other businesses owned by this thing are unreliable ? Does murdoch own newspoll? Who verifies the accuracy of the information gathered by newspoll? Why is it considered important other than being published in a newscorp paper? Thanks for any answers.

TalkTurkey

8/02/2011Assange in British court today. Bet he's glad to have Geoffrey Robertson and me in his corner!

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Hillbilly Seems David Penberthy is now editor of News Com. Maybe in future we will get some more balanced reporting from The Punch do you think. Federal Minister Kate Ellis and lover journo David Penberthy come clean over secret love originally revealed on VEXNEWS Back in August last year, we exclusively reported denials from then The Punch now news.com.au editor David Penberthy http://www.vexnews.com/news/12185/coming-first-federal-minister-kate-ellis-and-lover-journo-david-penberthy-come-clean-over-secret-love-originally-revealed-on-vexnews/ Cheers

Lyn

8/02/2011[b]TODAY'S LINKS[/b] [i]Abbott the wrecker = straight from the horse's mouth, The Conscience Vote[/i] Now we have it confirmed straight from the horse’s mouth. Abbott says it’s the Coalition’s ‘job’ to change the government http://consciencevote.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/abbott-the-wrecker-straight-from-the-horses-mouth/ [i]Take your marks... Greg Jericho, Grog's Gamut[/i] But, oh bugger it, here’s a prediction: Will Gillard and Abbott still be the leaders in December? I’ll bet one of them will be, but not both. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/ [i]Leader if the second bureaucracy, Dave, Dave's Archives[/i]Iron Man Abbott would conduct the entire reconstruction single-handedly, crafting thatched roofs from torn up NBN fibre. http://davec.org/2011/02/leader-of-the-second-bureaucracy/ [i]Picking up the gauntlet, John Quiggin[/i] declining of paper who still believe this worthless gutter press rag to have some value. So, I’m going to add a regular feature pointing out the lies and silly errors that fill the news and opinion pages of The Australian. http://johnquiggin.com/ [i]This Government Needs Disaster Relief fund,Ben Eltham, New Matilda[/i] This is an opposition whose own election costings were found by Treasury to be riddled with inconsistencies and bald-faced miscalculations http://newmatilda.com/2011/02/07/government-needs-disaster-relief [i]What accounts for Labor's 32% primary in Newspoll, Kim, Larvatus Prodeo[/i]So why is Labor still in such a poor position? http://larvatusprodeo.net/2011/02/07/what-accounts-for-labors-32-primary-in-newspoll/ [i]The Daily, Dave Gaukroger, Pure Poison[/i] Imagine a paper newspaper that was wrapped in an envelope, and the envelope was so difficult to open that it took over a minute http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2011/02/07/the-daily/#more-8884 [i]Has the flood levy damaged the carbon price, DragOnista's blog[/i] The Prime Minister needs to find a compelling analogue to help Australians feel directly connected with climate change solutions in http://dragonistasblog.com:80/2011/02/06/has-the-flood-levy-damaged-the-carbon-price/ [i]Abbott begging for funds, Stephen Read, Stroke of Luck[/i]refuses to apologize for is yet another example of continuous gaffs. http://www.goodluckstroke.com/2011/02/abbott-begging-for-funds-not-for-flood.html [i]Political hunting season begins, Mungo Maccallum, Unleashed[/i] [b]Tony Abbott rather set the tone in his description of Julia Gillard’s delivery as “wooden[/b]”; http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/43670.html

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi tredlgt A very interesting question you have raised. Here is a few very informative links , for you, I have enjoyed reading them, hope you do too. [b]Leading the way is our very own brilliant Ad Astra[/b] Who Cares about the next Newspoll,Ad Astra, The Political Sword they are creating of a decaying, incompetent, useless, do nothing Government with a hopeless leader that must be removed for the sake of the country; http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2010/06/17/Who-cares-about-the-next-Newspoll.aspx Murdoch Company Newspoll Caught fudging the numbers by Roy Morgan Research, Murdoch Propagandists http://murdochspropagandists.blogspot.com/2010/02/murdoch-company-newspoll-caught-fudging.html Deconstructing Newspoll, Bob Ellis, On Line Opinion I suggest, that Newspoll gives its principal client Rupert Murdoch what he wants and why Newspoll is widely known as "the Bill O'Reilly of statistics". http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=8730 Shock, horror!!! Liberals want donations!!! Gillard: I don’t know how to spend money so John Fahey will do it for me » Right Pulse I can’t imagine Newspoll would willingly baulk at publishing a result which highlights the growing opposition to the government http://www.rightpulse.com/archives/2905#comments Murdoch owns Newspoll. Newspoll can't poll Accurately, A Possie in Aussie [b]figures to Murdoch’s liking that make the headlines that sell the papers and do his enemies damage[/b]http://apossieinaussie.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/murdoch-owns-newspoll-newspoll-cant-poll-accurately-any-connection/

tredlgt

8/02/2011Thank you Lyn . It is depressing to read stories like "Who cares about next newspoll" 17 june 2010, newspoll caught fudging numbers 9 feb 2010, murdoch owns newspoll 10 nov 2009, and see that the bastards are still playing silly buggers with the numbers a year or so later and nothing can be done about it . They murdoch press are writing pretty much the same story now based on present poll numbers but with the names changed. It is ok for Govt and PM supporters to discount the trickery involved with this deceit but far to many people read the headlines and believe them an honest interpretation of fairly conducted research and there is no MSM questioning the methods or results of these polls. Pity 4 corners or one of the 24hour ABC programs couldn't do a bit of investigating journalism on our behalf and give the truth an airing. Once again thanks for the links all were interesting reading and gave me answers to consider.

Rx

8/02/2011Welcome back, and thanks for your links, Lyn. I don't know how or where you dig them up, but keep them coming!

debbiep

8/02/2011Firstly ~ Hi all. Since the new upgrade I now recieve the captcha . Before I could not post as one did not appear...but have been lurking as a silent reader :) tredlgt ~ I asked Insight on SBS Facebook site to do such a show. Need all the support as sadly I didn't receive much response.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Rx Thankyou for your nice welcome back, and appreciation of our "Daily Links", I love collecting them and get a lot of enjoyment out of reading them.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi DebbieP Good to see you, Happy New Year. Love you here, funny thing that "reCaptcha," it did have a mind of it's own. This ReCaptcha is magic, how you can click on the little red half circle and get a new set of words, if you can't read the first lot. Delighted you are not a Lurker anymore. Cheers

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8/02/2011LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/Lyns-Daily-Links.aspx

NormanK

8/02/2011Well, here it is, the first official day of the political year and already I'm sick of the opinionated views of our commentators waxing lyrical about the meaning of it all. What happened yesterday and what does it all mean? What happened this morning and what does it imply? What happened this afternoon and what does it mean in the context of what happened this morning and might happen tomorrow? What [i]might[/i] happen tomorrow and what would it mean ....... ? It seems every man and his dog has an opinion and they're mostly not worth the candle. Of course, that's only my opinion.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Ad There has been a lot more gaffes in this last week. Ask for donations to the Liberal Party’s campaign to fight the Government flood Levy. There is plenty of Fat in the budget says Abbott then tells Barrie Cassidy it’s hard to find the fat: They have just released this easy to find fat, they are deferrals, not cuts, so not really fat, because it’s necessary to cut fat off not leave it hanging otherwise it’s not saved is it, News Com. has called them cuts in their headlines. Sounds better for News Com’s agenda, to say cuts instead of deferrals. Here is the list: deferral of water buybacks The Opposition would defer $400 million of aid assistance to Indonesia, subject to a review. The Opposition will defer $150 million from the Building Education Revolution program for two years. $500 million to the automotive industry, bringing the assistance back to the levels of the Howard Government in 2007. [quote](“He said the Opposition had specifically chosen to defer, rather than cut, spending amounting to $2.095 billion over the forward estimates period”). [/quote] [quote]We are laying down a detailed plan that no Opposition has ever had the guts to do) [/quote] I missed the press conference, but from the ABC 24 report by journalist Gillian (forget her surname ), they are a bunch of clowns, circus act, getting more ridiculous every day. Looks like AxE the NBN is not on Abbott's Deferral list funny about that, not a mention of the NBN he has been harping about for what 6, 8, 12 months. [i]Tony Abbott proposes [b]cuts[/b] to BER, Murray Darling instead of flood levy , News Com[/i] The Opposition will defer $150 million from the Building Education Revolution program for two years. We are laying down a detailed plan that no Opposition has ever had the guts to do." http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/tony-abbott-proposes-cuts-to-ber-murray-darling-instead-of-flood-levy/story-e6frfku0-1226002182774 [i]Whiff of ad-hockery in Coalition budget cuts , Mark Davis, National Times[/i] [quote]But drill down into Abbott's planned spending cuts and it turns out they are problematic on a number of grounds. Firstly, the headline number of $2 billion is to be delivered over the next four years: $791 million in 2011-12, $731 million in 2012-13, $442 million in 2013-13 and $102 million in 2014-15. But the government's levy is all collected in 2011-12. So if Mr Abbott's cuts were adopted instead, the budget would still be $1 billion worse off next financial year (albeit better off in the following years). Secondly, $1.2 billion of the Abbott-Hockey $2 billion are spending ''deferrals'' rather than actual cuts. The Opposition says it will defer $600 million in water buyback spending, $448 million in aid funding to Indonesia and $150 million in Building the Education Revolution spending. Reneging on a bilateral agreement and cutting funding to a strategically significant neighbouring country where per capita income is just $60 a week - all to avoid imposing a one-off tax levy which would cost Australian middle income earners less than $3 a week. It's hard to see anything charitable about this idea.[/quote]http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/whiff-of-adhockery-in-coalition-budget-cuts-20110208-1al73.

Jason

8/02/2011Lyn, What we had was a pretend Prime Minister make some pretend cuts to a budget he has no control over.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Ad Brilliant Post by Nasking, Cafe Whispers: Tony Abbott stuff-ups: A Pattern of Behaviour, Naking, Cafe Whispers the moment his leadership is at crisis point, [b]comes a Newspoll to the rescue - Abbott’s numbers as preferred PM are up?…yea, and my mother was born a Vulcan…[/b]http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/tony-abbott-stuff-ups-a-pattern-of-behaviour/#comment-18091

jj

8/02/2011Lyn, Love your selective choice of an article by one person who has a problem with the deferrals put forward by the opposition...only because they are not cuts. None of what the Coalition has announced is extreme, so i have no idea what you are whinging about? ABC's 4 Corners last night had a very definitive pattern all the way through it; no one knows whether Julia is up to the job, and she has about as much political consistency as Anna Kornakova on the tennis court. From what i gathered from all of those interviewed: Gillard is a, Socialist... no, no a conservative... no, no, a pragmatist; she is for Temporary Protection Visa's...no, no, she is against them; she is for an ETS... whoops how silly, of course not, she is against one... oh but times have changes so she is for one again; she believes mark Latham will become a great PM... oh shit, no on a scale from one to ten, he is that bad that he doesnt even fit on the scale; and it goes on. She has no bloody idea what she stands for; who she stands for; or what she doesnt stand for. it became quite clear by the end of the show that she is a power hungry, gutless politician who wont let any back-flip or backstabbing get in her way; but as most of those interviewed said, she has got to the top job without every thinking about what she would do once she got there.

Jason

8/02/2011jj, What happend to selling Medibank Private and scrapping the NBN? and then after all the crap we heard about the "School Halls" program Abbott says he'll keep it! Just face it jj he got rolled in the joint party room yesterday like I told you he would because the disaster affected party room members need their infrastructure fixed now!

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011And now for something completely different. Our friend at Loon Pond, post the first episode of Q&A for the year. Enjoy! http://www.loonpond.blogspot.com/

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011I heard Gillian Bradford on ABC24 describing Abbott & Hockey's so-called 'Budget Cuts' as more like 'Budget Deferments'. :) Obviously, what we have had a glaring example of here, is Tony Abbott putting his mouth into gear before his brain. He came out with the 'Killer Line' before he manifested the 'Killer Response' to go with it. Upon attempting to put his thought bubble into action, it popped like a big bubble gum bubble all over him, leaving him coated in the sticky stuff and looking like a goose.

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011jj, ROFLMAO :) All I did was substitute Tony Abbott's name for JG's in your post, and I had you speaking some truth for once!

Jason

8/02/2011FS, Do you know anything about this? "News Flash just now on 2UE that Channel 7 will run a clip of Abbott tonight showing him criticising a soldier in Afghanistan while there. Saying that Abbott’s office has tried to stop the clip being aired."

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Jason, No, but I will be watching. :) Are the knives out? Has the journosphere decided to stop keeping him afloat? I've been getting my next blog together so haven't had the telly on. Now it will be!

Jason

8/02/2011FS, Only hear say at the moment, It's supposedly army video but Abbott is alleged to have said! WTTE: Army: Private Bloggs was killed by a land mine Abbott: Shit Happens!

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Jason I haven't heard anything about Abbott & Afghanistan But I have the TV on channel 7 glued to my forehead. Cheers

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8/02/2011Jason, Lyn, FS The Abbott interview with Mark Riley was awful, just awful, the worst Abbott performance I have ever seen. Do see it.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Ad I can't find the video yet: But found this: 'S--- happens': Tony Abbott to troops after Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney's death , Staff writers, Herald Sun When he was asked a series of follow-up questions on camera, including how his statement was being taken out of context, Mr Abbott stood nodding, lost for words, for several seconds. [b]Footage of Abbott's interview coming soon[/b] http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/s-happens-tony-abbott-to-troops-after-lance-corporal-jared-mackinneys-death/story-e6frf7l6-1226002354227

2353

8/02/2011My take of 4 Corners last night was that over the past 30 years Gillard has had some opinions and when presented with some reason has changed them. Eminently sensible of her. I would hope that all readers of this blog site have changed their opinion on some closely held belief over the past 30 years - as the world has moved on. Still arguing over the world as it was in 1981 is pointless, won't achieve anything and lets face it will only make those who don't choose to move on bitter,conservative and twisted. Now if it's good enough for all of us - why isn't it good enough for Gillard? (Just thought - everyone has moved on, haven't they?)

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8/02/2011jj your venom is becoming more poisonous by the day: I watched [i]Four Corners[/i] and felt Julia did a commendable job in answering the many curly questions put to her by Elizabeth Jackson in what I felt was a balanced production. You saw it and wrote: "[i]She has no bloody idea what she stands for; who she stands for; or what she doesn't stand for. it became quite clear by the end of the show that she is a power hungry, gutless politician who wont let any back-flip or backstabbing get in her way; but as most of those interviewed said, she has got to the top job without every thinking about what she would do once she got there."[/i] It's as if we were watching different events. Do you think your vitriol against Julia will cut any ice with us here?

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8/02/2011Hi Lyn Nasking will have a bobby dazzler now to add to his collection of Abbott gaffes - today's Channel Seven interview with Mark Riley about an unfortunate comment Abbott made about the death of a soldier in Afghanistan.

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Well, well, well. The phrase 'The Mark Latham of the Liberal Party' is becoming more apt by the minute. Fair dinkum, Tony Abbott gave me the impression he was barely controlling his rage against Mark Riley.

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8/02/20112353 I agree with your comments. If politicians are unable to change tack in the light of experience and unfolding events, they are lost.

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Might I also add that Tony Abbott will only ever be a Tin Soldier.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Ad Here is the video of Mark Riley's interview with Abbott, Reb has posted on his blog "Gutter Trash", you are right it is shocking: Fancy eh! took 3 months for channel 7 to gain permission under the freedom of information act, because the Liberal Party fought to keep the video clip from the public. They fight to keep the real Tony Abbott out of the Public, and we nearly got him as Prime Minister, it's breathtaking. A digger dies. “Shit happens” says Tony Abbott, Reb, Gutter Trash Channel 7 showed footage of Mr Abbott from today standing in silence and nodding gently for several seconds when he was asked to explain his remark. This is the self-professed Christian who wears his religion on his sleeve as some sort of credential that he’s fit to hold the highest elected office in this land. Australia deserves better than this self-serving mongrel. http://guttertrash.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/08/a-digger-dies-shit-happens-says-tony-abbott/

Jason

8/02/2011Abbott's "shit Happens" http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/24112972/?cmp=facebook

Graeme

8/02/20112353 Speaking of moving on - 'The man who views the world at fifty the same as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life' - Muhammad Ali. One would hope that our leaders take much the same approach. Indeed jj as well might like to heed Ali's advice. If I hadn't changed from the man I was at twenty, I would be still voting Liberal. We expand our horizons as we grow older, we see and hear things that cause us to rethink our beliefs, and we gain confidence in expressing our opinions; we come to value the opinions of others and, speaking from personal experience, find it easier to say 'I was wrong' or 'I'm sorry'. If Julia Gillard has changed her view of some things over her life's journey, I think that should accord her more bouquets than if she had stuck doggedly to outdated or unrealistic ideals. Leaders,while being able to portray strength, should not become slaves to inflexible thinking.

jj

8/02/2011Hey guys, if this was Julia Gillard you would be throwing conspiracy theories around, and be saying that she had been taken out of context. Sure it looks bad, but i dont know what he said before or after the edited version shown. The reaction he gave to the journo can be summed up as being angry! To compare him to mark Latham is just ridiculous! he hasnt assaulted anyone, nor is he an ego-centric dim wit. How about you just wait until the full story comes out, before you start getting your hopes up.

Graeme

8/02/2011I actually watched the Channel 7 News (I know, but sometimes I can't help myself) and Ad, I would say that Tony Abbott has well and truly invoked his 'Right To Be Angry'.

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8/02/2011Hi Lyn, Jason Thank you for the video clip of the Abbott interview with Mark Riley - it's there in all its ugliness. Joe Hockey was confronted with this on the 7.30 Report by Heather Ewart and of course defended his boss to the end. She was pretty tough in her questioning on this and other matters. Married to Barrie Cassidy, who himself was tough on Abbott on [i]Insiders[/i] on Sunday, I wonder if there has been a change of tack towards the Opposition in that household.

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8/02/2011jj The full story is out. Get used to it.

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8/02/2011Graeme Tony Abbott sure was angry, and I expect he would say he had a right to be angry as Channel Seven closed the trapdoor behind him.

TalkTurkey

8/02/2011"Channel 7 showed footage of Mr Abbott from today standing in silence and nodding gently for several seconds when he was asked to explain his remark." Yes but he wasn't nodding gently, he was APOPLECTIC, shaking with rage and dismay. He was JUST below exploding. I told you -didn't I ! - the man is deranged. He's GONE now. Praise Dog! I am right - aren't I? - that the ABC shamelessly truncated the whole performance, excising a whole lump from the centre? The Channel 7 clip is much longer, I'm sure, and the cut-and-shut that must be there on the ABC footage must be something special to see. It also shows Abbortt in a less awful light, the full thing is AMMM-AAAAA-ZINGGG! The longer Riley stands there waiting for an answer the worse the stupid ape (sorry Cuz!) looks. Can someone with tech sense quickly track the ABC footage down and compare with the original?

jj

8/02/2011It is becoming quite clear that he was taken out of context, and that channel 7 has tried to portray his comments as being in direct relation to the death of the Australian soldier. however it was not, and rather the conversation Abbott was having with the head of the area task force was about the provision of equipment; and as you heard the US chief said that everything that Abbott say whilst he was in Afghanistan was made available for the troops; and in response Abbott said, "well shit happens doesnt it". What he was saying was that even with all of the military equipment available, unforeseen events can still occur. The Channel 7 should be ashamed of its lack of presentation of the facts, and putting Abbott on the spot with a clip he may not have seen before, and expecting him to defend himself in front of a live camera!

Graeme

8/02/2011Oh dear. Fancy that, jj objects to the media taking a politician's comments out of context and not bothering to check their facts or do any [i]research[/i]. Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

Jason

8/02/2011jj, The remark itself is a nothing story, it's what happened after the question was asked that has become the story! Also if we were to believe your slippery response why did Abbott spend the last 3 months trying to stop the release under FOI? He knew it was comming but he seems to busy being the village idiot.

tredlgt

8/02/2011Dear jj Its gut wrenching isn't when the media report a story you consider untrue ,it happens to us all the time . This time your dick head did it all in front of TV cameras, looks true ,smells true , tastes true shit happens.

TalkTurkey

8/02/2011I don't say nothin' to jj no more . . . but if I were to do so . . . I'd say somehing like, erm, ain't dat wot what makes it a puffick Gotcha? She probly don't reckonnize a Gotcha, like what you don't reckonnize a place by day you only ever saw by night . . . She's only ever seen Labor Gotchas, don't know what they look like from the ( * ) end. Not so fun, eh. Abbortt, we didn't need to be in these wars. Your side enforced them on us, remember? No good crying crocodile tears, no good pretending to be deeply sorrowful, if it weren't for the likes of exactly you Abbortt there would be no dead soldiers and no destruction in the lands we have invaded, kids burnt and blown to bits, same as Vietnam all over again, and Guess Whose side forced that on us too, and you know what Abbortt, on Sunday I went to my Vietnam Veteran mate's BBQ, and here's the kicker, I was one of the many who demonstrated in the city streets, - fought is not too strong a word - against the war, against conscription which your side Abbortt had to introduce because people hated the Vietnam War so much, the servicemen despised us then but you know what you creep, your mob turned their back when the veterans came home, your mob considered them as failures, it's the humanistic people like us old protesters who had and have sympathy for them in the end. It is You, Abbortt, who are are the excrement that inevitably eventuates. I still haven't ever used your 4-letter word on this public forum, I respect the folk here more than that, but it sure defines you admirably.

NormanK

8/02/2011Perceptions, jj, perceptions. Tony Abbott has hitched his political wagon to that particular star for the last fourteen months - throwing unsubstantiated allegations and outright lies at the government in the hope that some of it will stick. Hoisted and petards come to mind. You may in fact be right - call me a moderate - and that within the context of the conversation in which he was engaged, his comment was, at worst, perhaps thoughtless. That's it for concessions. You said [quote]putting Abbott on the spot with a clip he may not have seen before[/quote] and I have to ask why then have the Liberal Party sought to suppress the footage if he knows nothing about it? He has had months to come up with a half-way decent explanation and yet he was speechless. Speechless with anger no less. He was very very close to taking a swing at Riley (which Channel 7 would've loved!) and could not even manage his endearing "uh uh uh" while the cogs spun in his brain. Is this the man we want sitting down with world leaders, negotiating his way through complex issues some of which are going to rub him up the wrong way? He can't just get up and walk out of a G20 Conference like he does out of a press conference when he doesn't like the direction the questions are taking. This is not to defend Mark Riley or Channel 7 for the way they have handled this gotcha moment but we have seen once again that Abbott truly is a Tin Soldier (thanks FS) who "corpses" (as we say in the theatre) as soon as there is any deviation from the script. He can't think on his feet because his head is empty of original thought at the moment. Hence the slogans and mantras of "bad government" and "wasteful spending" etc. There are more than a few echoes of his "jet-lag" moment don't you think? Give you credit though, jj, you're a loyal trooper. Cue Tammy Wynette - Stand by Your Man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew

Ad astra reply

8/02/2011jj Jason is right. It was not that Tony Abbott uses the term s**t happens; it was his enraged and virtually mute response to Mark Riley's questions. He must have know what was in the video; otherwise why would he make such an effort to suppress it?

sawdustmick

8/02/2011Jason you are right, the remark he made is a nothing story however the fact that he froze infront of the camera and could not respond to Rileys' "how have I taken the the comment out of context? it the real story JJ has stated that, “It is becoming quite clear that he was taken out of context, and that channel 7 has tried to portray his comments as being in direct relation to the death of the Australian soldier. however it was not, and rather the conversation Abbott was having with the head of the area task force was about the provision of equipment; and as you heard the US chief said that everything that Abbott say whilst he was in Afghanistan was made available for the troops; and in response Abbott said, "well shit happens doesnt it". What he was saying was that even with all of the military equipment available, unforeseen events can still occur.” JJ, that would appear to be a reasonable take on what occurred, however, why the hell did Abbott freeze like a deer caught in the high beam of a car. He just stood there and said nothing and was about to punch Riley’s lights out. Not a good look for a bloke who believes that he ready to govern. Christ mate if he can handle someone like Riley with a half decent explanation then how would he handle a real crisis like the floods? Your final argument when you said, The Channel 7 should be ashamed of its lack of presentation of the facts, and putting Abbott on the spot with a clip he may not have seen before, and expecting him to defend himself in front of a live camera! Jason also blew your argument out of the water for as you know Riley and Channel Seven had been after this clip for about 3 months and therefore you assertion that he was unware of this clip is just crap. A so called leader has to be prepared to take all kinds of questions from the media and needs to be confident enough to make a reply even though it may not be a very comfortable admission of a mistake.

Ad astra reply

8/02/2011jj It really is quite amusing. When we defend any of our own against what we feel is unfair treatment by the media, you scoff at us. Yet you do the same. So don't be surprised if we scoff at you. Read what sawdustmick has to say.

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011jj, Simple question. If Tony Abbott had nothing to hide, why did he and the Liberal Party fight so hard, FOR 3 MONTHS, to prevent the footage from being screened? "Shit Happens". Hmmm. Now when did Mr Abbott use that phrase previously? Ah, that's right, when he was showing no respect to Nicola Roxon, a woman. "Shit Happens". The American General was pleading his feeble case wrt providing paltry air cover for our Diggers fighting on the ground, and all the obsequious US toady, Tony Abbott could say about the fact that their poor performance led to one of this nation's finest losing his life was, "Shit Happens". Not only that, but the mealy-mouthed bastard thinks that a quickie phone call to the fallen soldier's widow and a Press Release telling the media to "Move along, nothing to see here", is all that he needs to do to sweep the matter under the carpet so that he can get back to bagging the shit out of Julia Gillard tomorrow. He's pathetic. And, you know what, jj, so are you for trying to defend that piece of low-rent garbage.

sawdustmick

8/02/2011PS, JJ, " I have watched plenty of interviews of many politicians over the years and I cannot recall anyone of them freezing like Tones did for must have been nearly a minute and half in front of a news camera. JJ, your hero mate just does not have what it takes to be the PM of this country.

Graeme

8/02/2011So, is the worm starting to turn? Why has Channel 7, not normally noted for their diligence when it comes to reporting, been digging the dirt on the opposition leader? Could they be responding to pressure from above, or have they suddenly developed a severe case of journalistic research? (I was going to say journalistic integrity, but the interview doesn't cast Mark Riley in a much better light than it does Tony Abbott.)

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Graeme, You are spot on. The irony, as I tried to point out to jj when he/she's comments came up earlier about Julia Gillard, is sickeningly sweet. Everything they purport to ascribe to the PM, or to absolve the Liberal Party of with the weak-kneed excuse that, 'The Labor Party do it too, and they do it worse', is frankly just gutless excuse making meant to cover their own exposed backsides.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey This is ABC's video, I copied at 7.32pm my time, I am 1 hour behind you. You will see it has been removed, the page taken down 7:32 PM My time Abbott questioned over dead soldier gaffe - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/02/08/3133500.htm

2353

8/02/2011According to Grog, the silence was for 1 minute 10 seconds. Its a real shame in a day where Parliament was used for something noble, when both leaders showed real empathy and emotion, Abbott and Hockey pulled a cheap stunt and claim to be able to defer expenditure in a budget they have a snowballs chance of controlling any time soon. Really they deserve all the bad press they get if they are that stupid. On top of the donate to fight the levy mail last week - what planet are these clowns on. The timebomb is ticking JJ.

Lyn

8/02/2011Hi Talk Turkey Oh! but, look, this other link was in my deleted file, where I had actually copied the URL. Abc 24 just reported. the pause after mark Riley's question was 1 minute and 10 seconds ABC Video http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/youtube.htm?v=bDzGmuXKQ1I cheers

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011As someone pointedly commented on PB, Tony Abbott can dish it out, but he can't take it.

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Here's a very good point made, again, by someone on Poll Bludger: [quote]Their ABC liinks to Abbot’s statement – straight to Abbott’s webiste. http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/PressReleases/tabid/86/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/7836/Statement.aspx They have, as far as I’m aware NEVER done this to Govt statements.[/quote]

TalkTurkey

8/02/2011They're circling . . . Snotty Joe is circling at the surface, a Fat White, pretending to be Abbbortt's loyal ally . . . Turdball is circling deeper, a Grey Nurse nursing his grievances . . . Poodle-Do is a frantic little Sucker-Fish with diarrhoea . . . The small fry are keeping out of the way, ready to snap up the little gory bits . . . Fun Stomp-Chant Abbortt, Turdball, Snotty Joe! Round and round and round they go! Who go next, nobody know! Abbortt, Turdball, Snotty Joe! Repeat while stamping and slow clapping . . . Ah, chadenfreude!

Jason

8/02/2011FS, The manager of opposition business in the house Pyne who is on lateline tonight,if he thought the 2 days of question time this week were going to be tough on the back of the flood levy,Abbotts antics today just made it worse! Who knows the whole opposition might get kicked out! Julia can look dignified and answer questions about the governments response while Albo,Emerson etc just belt Abbott all day! Mental disintigration love it!

nasking

8/02/2011“The material was used out of context.” What a fibber eh? The Liberal machine SPINNIN’ like a top…like somethin’ straight outa the shows ‘The Thick of It’…and ‘The HollowMen’. He he...I've added an UPDATE to my post: Tony Abbott had his Frost/Nixon moment outside parliament today…pressured by Ch. Seven’s reporter Mark Riley on why he seemed to make light of QLD soldier Lance Corporal McKinney’s death in Afghanistan by saying “shit happens” to the soldier’s unit during his visit… Abbott stood on the grounds of parliament visibly shaking like an old man with palsy…nothing emerging from his gobsmacked self. The awkward pregnant pause lasted more than a minute as Abbott melted down…as tho his brain had been snap frozen then torched: http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/8799936/abbotts-afghanistan-gaffe/3/ Could this be the final gaffe for Abbott as leader, as his popularity will surely melt like his brain did…and his party will finally be forced take the knives to this mouth before wicket prone politician. Mr. (far too casual at times) Negabore Abbott may have left the Coalition with no choice…having driven himself off the cliff. The past has come a calling. ------------------------------- I think we can see that Tony Abbott’s stuff-ups do in fact reveal “A Pattern of Behaviour”. We have the evidence. :) Thnx Lyn for all the info & links. Have a goodie. Long, busy day eh? Cheers N'

nasking

8/02/2011[quote]"Simple question. If Tony Abbott had nothing to hide, why did he and the Liberal Party fight so hard, FOR 3 MONTHS, to prevent the footage from being screened?"[/quote] An excellent point Feral. "Fun Stomp-Chant" LOL Talk Turkey [quote]"Its a real shame in a day where Parliament was used for something noble, when both leaders showed real empathy and emotion, Abbott and Hockey pulled a cheap stunt" [/quote] 2353, It's in their DNA...politicising everything to suit their own ambitions is their modus operandi. Not a good lot. Desperate. [quote]your hero mate just does not have what it takes to be the PM of this country.[/quote] I think many in the Coalition are beginnin' to think same now SawdustMick. Imagine the panic in the ranks. :) aA...ain't it nice the government is on the front foot for once. :) N'

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Another analytical comment from Aguirre at PB: [quote]The issue here is the same one it’s always been. Abbott simply can’t think on his feet. Not even to the extent that he can defend himself when he feels he’s been misrepresented. Maybe you don’t need a statesman to run the country, but you do need someone who can manage themselves under scrutiny. I’ve never seen him manage himself under even the mildest of scrutiny. What he would usually do when something curly gets thrown his way is simply parrot the anti-ALP lines. He did a bit of that this afternoon in the presser. But in a situation where no comparison is possible, where it’s just about him, he presented us all with a vacuum. Thus demonstrating neatly that he, and by extension his party, doesn’t exist except as a negative image of the ALP. They took that route deliberately. They sheared themselves of any policy position they might have had under Turnbull, and focussed on becoming a mirror for Labor. They were all about what they wouldn’t do; whenever pressed about what they actually would do, they vagued out. That attitude took them right through the election campaign, and nearly gave Abbott the keys to the Lodge. That interview with Reilly – and to a certain extent what’s happened over the past week as well – is just the inevitable consequence of the path they took. Someone only has to ask him to explain himself – and stick at it until he does – and he’s going to go to water. This was about a comment he made – not even that heinous a comment under the circumstances – and yet he had nothing to say except that it was taken out of context. How? A minute of silence. He hadn’t thought that far ahead.[/quote]

Feral Skeleton

8/02/2011Nas, I bet when you were putting together your blog you never thought Tony would help you put a cherry on top! :)

Miglo

8/02/2011I don't usually post the same comment across the blogosphere but for this I'll make an exception. My comment at the Café: Well good old news.com. They’ve published a whole six comments about the story, and five of them supported Abbott. Meanwhile, they’ve published 28 comments about Julia crying, with most of them uncomplimentary. Nothing to see here folks.

TalkTurkey

8/02/2011Miglo said "I don't usually post the same comment across the blogosphere . . ." Cobber I often wish more of it happened. There are I'm sure protocols limiting or vetoing or disapproving of it happening too much, but I don't know what they are or whether they are elastic or plastic. But good quality comment I welcome, and conversely if I'm fired up enough and think my own writing worthy, I would sometimes like to send it percolating more myself. (But if it's on one blog only, it's The Sword for me.) Perhaps Ad astra might like to pronounce on it?

nasking

9/02/2011[quote]I bet when you were putting together your blog you never thought Tony would help you put a cherry on top![/quote] LOL Feral. I bet Tony never thought it either. :) Migs & Talk Turkey, I cross-post comments sometimes...might change them slightly...but if ya think the info needs to get around...why not? Migs, I think News.com are on a loser w/ this one. :) N'

BSA Bob

9/02/2011Watching the recording of Abbott jogged my memory. He went to Afghanistan that time for the same reason he went to Queensland- to "gather political ammunition". Now it's exploded in his face. I agree with others that the interesting (& terrifying) thing was his utter inabilty to counter an "ambush" that was apparently three months in coming. Discussing this with a friend, we both agreed we'd pay real money to know what was in his head as he nodded away. Wonder how the news of his budgetary deferments are being received in Indonesia? What was the line? Something about terrorist leaders stroking their beards & smiling? Lastly, the ABC appears to have finally received a graph Swan, Rudd & Gillard sent it a couple of years ago. It used an opinion by Adam Bandt (I think, it's been a long night & I'm tired) that the deficit could simply be extended a while to cover the rebuilding costs to get in what seemed like a mild swipe at Labor. The ABC displayed the graph showing that guess what? Australia has bugger all government debt in comparison to pretty much everywhere else. I don't know why we haven't been told this before.

TalkTurkey

9/02/2011 Agree, Tony Abbortt, with you? It so happens, this one time, I do! For once you're not crappin' - This shit that does happen - It comes from an ( * ) like you!

Lyn

9/02/2011[b]TODAY'S LINKS[/b] [i]The Parliament Laments, Greg Jericho, Grog's Gamut[/i] I care about (and what I wrote at the time) is that when Abbott was in Afghanistan he desperately wanted to go play soldier, without any thought of the consequences. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/2011/02/parliament-laments.html [i]The flood recovery inspectorate - practical politics or weakness?The Conscience Vote[/i] remember the Australian Wheat Board scandal, when it was uncovered that agricultural companies were paying kickbacks to circumvent UN sanctions http://consciencevote.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/08/the-flood-recovery-inspectorate-practical-politics-or-weakness/ [i]Beaten not Stirred, Mr Denmore, The Failed Estate[/i]Already, the expertly duplicitous Andrew Bolt has managed, in his infinitely twisted way, of somehow suggesting there was something wrong with Gillard's response: http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com/2011/02/beaten-not-stirred.html [i]Is this the Abbott-killer that Labor’s been waiting for?, Leo Shanahan, The Punch[/i] was that kind of excruciating-to-watch-but-can’t-look-away-even-though-you-want-to kind of television that makes it a big story, beat up or not. Whether it’s one that will do long-term damage remains to be seen. http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/is-this-the-abbott-killer-that-labors-been-waiting-for/ [i]A Tale of Grief and a Tale of Two Leaders ashghebranious, Ash's Machiavellian Bloggery[/i] Mr Abbott reminding the PM that he will tear her throat out at any opportunity and the PM finally achieving something she said she wanted to do http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/08/a-tale-of-grief-and-a-tale-of-two-leaders/ [i]Confucius say politician with glass jaw should not lead party., Ashghebranious, Ash's Machiavellian Bloggery[/i] The issue though is HOW Mr Abbott chose to defuse the situation. He could have again made the whole thing go away if he told the reporter the truth http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com/ [i]The Gullibles Traveller, The Bannerman [/i] The gullibles don’t seem to care though. Why would they, when The Australian and the rest of the Murdoch stable spoon-feed them daily with ardent right-wing pap, taken entirely out of context & promoted as factual. http://www.waddayano.org/blog/2011/02/the_gullibles_traveller.php#more [i]A digger dies. “Shit happens” says Tony Abbott, Reb, Gutter Trash[/i] This is the self-professed Christian who wears his religion on his sleeve as some sort of credential that he’s fit to hold the highest elected office in this land. http://guttertrash.wordpress.com:80/2011/02/08/a-digger-dies-shit-happens-says-tony-abbott/ [i]Cut and come again, Andrew Elder, Politically Homeless[/i]This is the worst case of intellectual and moral bankruptcy I have seen from the Liberal Party in some time. It ought to be rewarded with jeers http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/02/cut-and-come-again-more-you-eats-more.html [i] Tony Abbott stuff-ups: A Pattern of Behaviour, Naking, Cafe Whispers[/i] the moment his leadership is at crisis point, comes a Newspoll to the rescue - Abbott’s numbers as preferred PM are up?…yea, and my mother was born a Vulcan… http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/tony-abbott-stuff-ups-a-pattern-of-behaviour/#comment-18091 [i]Humanitarian Tony, Spock Groupthink[/i] Mr Abbott’s proposed savings include slashing hundreds of millions of dollars from Australia’s foreign aid budget to Africa, and winding up the school infrastructure stimulus plan. http://www.groupthink.com.au/2011/02/08/humanitarian-tony/ [i]Maybe Tony should have gone the biff, Richard Farmer, The Stump[/i] the Opposition Leader was weighing up using the skills that gained him a university blue for boxing. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2011/02/08/maybe-tony-should-have-gone-the-biff/ [i]Where Abbott would "Cut", Peter Martin[/i] The Coalition calls on the government to take up the following savings http://www.petermartin.com.au/2011/02/where-abbott-would-cut.html [i]Opposition needs to receive fair, independent advice for proper budget scrutiny , Peter Martin, SMH[/i] He told the public his cuts were on top of $50 billion of savings and cuts outlined last year. His board might tell him http://www.smh.com.au/business/opposition-needs-to-receive-fair-independent-advice-for-proper-budget-scrutiny-20110208-1alpm.html Video's Channel 7 News Video of Abbott's Afghanistan gaffe http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/8799936/abbotts-afghanistan-gaffe/ Sh#t Happens and Tony Abbott fight to keep Control Clarencegirl, North Coast Voices Video http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com/2011/02/sht-happens-and-tony-abbott-fights-to.html ABC Video http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/youtube.htm?v=bDzGmuXKQ1I

Lyn

9/02/2011Hi Ad As Talk Turkey mentioned last night. The video's are different of the Abbott sh#t gaffe. Channel 7 is screening full frontal of Abbott's frozen rage head shaking for 1 minute 10 seconds. ABC are showing a side on view on their video. Cheers

2353

9/02/2011The 7 reporter was on Sunrise early this morning. According to him the sequence of events is that usually the whole video of politicians is released on thier return to Australia. This time only ten or so minutes were. 7 asked for the rest using FOI as the video was shot by Defence. There were a couple of newspaper reporters at the site when it happened but no TV crews. Three months later (and after some attempts by Abbott's office to withhold it), the video is released to 7. 7 then askes for an interview. Around 3pm, Abbott's office asks what the interview is about and is told. The interview occurs around 5.30. It wasn't an ambush in the eyes of 7. Effectively Abbott had over two hours to "wargame" this as they obviously knew what was on the tape. That either they didn't or couldn't come up with an answer (as demonstrated by the 1 minute 10 seconds of "blissful" silence), demonstrates the workings of Abbott and his office. It seems that generally the media have turned on Abbott - regardless of his capability (and prophensity to mutter "shit happens" - remember the debate with Roxon in 07) I wonder how long it is before he becomes enough of a liability for the Libs to get rid of him.

Feral Skeleton

9/02/2011To my eyes, and considering the full court press effort in backside covering by the Liberals and their mates in the media, what the events over the last 3 months since the incident occurred, and 24 hours since it was ventilated in the media, is that the Coalition are magnificent when it comes to crafting a story/line in hindsight, but hopeless in real time thought processing. We see them every day, from sparrow's fart in the morning, flooding the media with their carefully crafted Press Releases, and following it up with their expertly coached mouthpieces. It works a treat for them, and it is something that the ALP just isn't as good at. Next the Coalition machine chases down the ALP moves that have been made that day and they get to work dismembering them. They do this day in, day out, with metronomic efficiency. It pays big dividends. If only the ALP could work out the reverse ferret and call them on their obvious media manipulation more, and deconstruct their constructions. It's not that hard to do. I sometimes do it as a little intellectual exercise just to keep myself on my toes. All I do know is that the ALP are getting steamrollered by it, and they need to get a metaphorical front end loader to dump on the Coalition after they have done it to smother the effects of it.

nasking

9/02/2011[quote]is that the Coalition are magnificent when it comes to crafting a story/line in hindsight, but hopeless in real time thought processing. We see them every day, from sparrow's fart in the morning, flooding the media with their carefully crafted Press Releases, and following it up with their expertly coached mouthpieces. It works a treat for them, and it is something that the ALP just isn't as good at.[/quote] I agree Feral, It does help the Coalition tho to have so many media kowtowers on side tho...Howard ensured he infected many a media outlet before leaving. And the pressure by large business groups by way of ad dollars & such has a big effect on bias. (BTW, I have a hard time workin' out the CAPTCHA code letters needed to submit comments...my sights not the greatest lately...and they can be bizarre) N'

nasking

9/02/2011I watched the first two hours of Sunrise today (usually I don't bother) & found Mark Riley’s explanation to be sincere…he did not ambush Howard…Abbott’s press secretary had been informed ahead of time…Riley was taken out to see Abbott…Abbott must;ve known the footage existed as he & the party fought to stop its release. This means that Abbott was uncomfortable w/ it…as once again demonstrated by his long long head shaking pause. For Koch on Sunrise to play such an apologist for Abbott – particularly when posts such as this demonstrate there exists a “pattern of behaviour” by Abbott that is unbecoming of a leader – it only goes to demonstrate how many well paid talking heads in the media are willing to kowtow to the so called “business party”. The phone poll results were also justified ridiculously by a host…in fact, phone polls give a poor indication of public sentiment considering that the people most likely to ring frantically in response to an issue like this are outraged coalition/Abbott supporters & members doin’ the astroturfing thing. And those who can tolerate ad-infested morning shows. Not as wide an audience as they may think. I was expecting a great deal of SPIN this morning…and it doesn’t surprise me the usual suspect morning show hosts, shock jocks & neswpaper columnists have gone on the attack…and are trying to turn this on Mark Riley…and make him look insensitive. We are seeing enormous hypocrisy from a group of critics who usually scream at the top of their lungs if information is not made public by a government. It should give many viewers & readers over time good reason to approach the mainstream media w/ caution…recognise their evident biases…and ask the question: “If the footage had been of Kevin Rudd & Julia Gillard, how would these same apologists have responded?” I think we know. I reckon the hypocrisy of some of the media re: FOI laws should really be focused on Murdoch’s group in particular as they go to court, spend money on undermining attempts by govt to stifle info… and focus on Abbott’s lack of preparedness…what does it say about him in a situation where he needs to think quickly on his feet?… what does it say about his team of advisors?… his casual apathetic approach to things?… has the over-the-top fitness stuff addled his brain? Aged him prematurely? Effected his thinking? Interestingly, GW Bush also tried to act “casual” & “tough”… he also cycled. And was sometimes MIA. Also a showpony. He drove America off a cliff. N’

TalkTurkey

9/02/2011Swordsfolks Despite the fact that Ad astra plainly would be quite pleased, in one way, to take a place as Non-Executive Director on the ABC Board, he has advised me that due to time and age restraints he feels he cannot accept nomination. I think it's a great pity, but even as I write it's not too late for him to change his mind. But of course, (of course!), it's entirely up to him. But it's also my prerogative to try "whatever it takes" to prevail on him, for the good of the nation, to go for it. I have sent him the letter below already, but it is not personal, it refers to Aa in the third person, and it was/is intended for whomsoever may feel themselves concerned, most especially the ABC selection panel. The strange thing is that, not knowing Ad astra personally, I feel almost MORE confident in the qualities he would bring to the position. Oh well. Folks you might feel moved to prevail a little on him to change his mind, but that's up to you. It's a slightly onerous job, if done conscientiously anyway, I recognize that, but the country would benefit from his input. It's actually a compliment anyway Ad, as I'm sure you'd know. If you can't you can't. [Here's my letter to Ad astra last night plus my letter to the ABC Selectors.] Ad astra, Read and understood. It’s not too late though – anyway my letter of support appears below. It really is a pity to miss the chance, you know. You could do such a lot of good! We all believe in you. (Here’s their applicants’ information) A merit-based selection process with the following features will apply for filling vacancies: 1. the assessment of applicants' claims will be undertaken by an independent nomination panel established at arm's length of the government; 2. vacancies will be widely advertised, at a minimum in the national press and the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy website; 3. the assessment of candidates will be made against a core set of selection criteria, supplemented where necessary by additional criteria as agreed by the Minister; and 4. a report will be provided by the nomination panel to the Minister with a shortlist of recommended candidates. 5. A broad definition of merit will be applied to ABC and SBS board appointments whereby formal qualifications and traditional work experience will form only one element. Non-traditional activities and career paths are recognised and valued as suitable qualifications which contribute to an individual's overall suitability for appointment. [TT says: All sounds reasonable yes?] Here’s what I’d have to say to the Board about you: Why I think Ad astra worthy of appointment as a Non-Executive Director of the ABC Let me first make clear that I am not personally acquainted with the person I know only as ‘Ad astra’. I have never met him, nor spoken with him on the telephone, and I am not even certain that the photograph which serves as his gravatar on The Political Sword (TPS), a blogsite of which he is host, is of himself. He could even be She for all I could swear to, though I do firmly believe him to be male, and will refer to him as such. This will anyway be resolved to all who have a right to know when the selection process commences. In the meantime none of these facts is critical to my opinion that he would be an exceptionally valuable appointment to the ABC Board. I base my belief on his voluminous and frequent writings, and the esteem in which very many people hold him. As far as I know, ‘Ad astra’ is a retired but energetic medical academic, surely as honourable a lifetime occupation as any. This in itself would be a valuable area of expertise to the ABC Board, and as relevant as any, given the broad merit criteria to be applied. I am also assured that he has much else to recommend him personally, but it is his work on his blogsite which is relevant here. And it is a matter of record, as is uniquely obvious merely by referring to the site itself. While there are some of us who might be criticised for intemperate or abrasive comments, Ad astra’s are invariably measured and moderate. He commands virtually universal respect among the many people who contribute to the blog. He has for several years given unstintingly of his time and wisdom to create and maintain a blog on which the most sensible and perceptive political and social comments are encouraged. He has a special ability to write conciliatory comments as well as substantial articles, and there are many who regard him as a sort of sage. However, many of those who write posts on TPS have hard things to say about the mainstream media, and the ABC itself is far from exempt from criticism. A great majority of us believe that Rupert Murdoch’s empire controls far too much of the media in this country, and that it is exerting distorting influence on the ABC itself. Recently the ABC’s proud claim to be “Your ABC” has been parodied, not without justice, to “Their ABC”, where “They” are the antiprogressive elements of the Right. This perception would be countered in clear terms if Ad astra were selected as a Non-Executive Director of the ABC Board. His standing is so high in the blogosphere that his presence there would do much to liaise issues between what are commonly termed the 4th and 5th Estates, and to allay suspicions that Auntie is dominated by the forces of reaction. I urge the selection panel to consider Ad astra for this appointment. [Probably Love's Labour's Lost but you never know!]

Feral Skeleton

9/02/2011I think the best word to describe Abbott's behaviour in response to Mark Riley's questioning of him yesterday, is apoplectic.

Feral Skeleton

9/02/2011Nasking, Of course the media, by and large, is on side with the Fe(de)ral Liberal Party. You only had to watch in awe as it cranked up, at a moment's notice, into gear last night and on into this morning. I just counted %+Abbott Coalition mouthpieces trotting out the Party Line for today, either on the Radio, TV, or at the doors of parliament. They had all bases covered. Thus, what has now become the story, due to deft manipulation of the media, is the media itself! Mark Riley from Channel 7 is, all of a sudden, the bad guy, not Tony Abbott and his smoke coming out of the ears performance. Now, that's slick professionalism from the Coalition machine men and women. Which includes their proxies in the media. As far as the ReCaptcha goes, don't sweat it. I was somehow supposed to input Hebrew into the box the other day! So, just press the reload button until you get something you can handle. :)

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9/02/2011LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/Lyns-Daily-Links.aspx

BSA Bob

9/02/2011Feral Skeleton I can only agree with your comments about the speed with which the Saving Tony Abbott mission has been launched. It's infuriating that a media group prepared to actively misrepresent Gillard by selective quotation the day before will now insist on the "full story" i.e. full footage of the interview being aired, whilst ignoring Abbott's muckraking reasons for being there in the first place. Abbott's fact finding trip was a fizzer. The also want to brush out the most worrying issue, Abbott's truly weird response.

jj

9/02/2011It is good to see most of the media has come around to their senses. Michelle Grattan spoke in defence of Abbott his morning, as did most other journalists. The context in which it was said is totally understandable, and really it shouldnt have ever been a story in the first place. Mark Riley is copping the criticism he deserves for his, LOOK IT'S ME MARK RILEY, routine. Just saw the first picture of Meryl Streep as Margaret Thatcher. She is going to play her in a movie that should be released in the not to distant future. I hope she does her justice...because boy is she the sort of leader Australia needs now, i tell you, i cant even imagine gillard giving, "The lady's not for turning!" speech. Cant wait! http://www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/news/first-look-at-meryl-streep-as-margaret-thatcher/34274.htm

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9/02/2011 Folks Apologies for my absence from the blog so far today – it’s been a busy day. TT, thank you for your email and for posting the kind words you used in your reference to accompany an application for membership of the ABC Board, which as you state I have declined because of the additional work that would be required in preparing for and attending eight to ten meetings each year for the five years of the appointment. The complimentary remarks that you and Rx have made by email, and the comments bloggers have made about my suitability for the ABC Board, are heart-warming and will be placed among my treasured memories. Thank you. Folks, the fact is that the demands of TPS are onerous and increasing. When it started in September 2008, I would consider myself lucky to get half a dozen comments. Then it crept up to twenty and beyond and now routinely every piece attracts around a hundred comments and sometimes many more. My desire to respond to as many as I can is thwarted by the sheer volume, but you do help me greatly by responding so readily to each other. No doubt TPS will continue to grow. So I felt that in consideration of my large family, I ought to restrict my political activities to TPS. I am not a member of a political party, nor intend to become one. TPS is the one way I have of influencing political thought, and you, the visitors add immeasurably to the discourse that goes on here. Thank you. So I’ll just continue with TPS and hope it has an effect. TT, you suggested I comment on the ‘Abbott s**t happens’ saga. I have made some comments already, but I think I can respond further by placing below an email I intend to send to Mark Scott, MD of the ABC. It follows a series of comments about this matter made by Red Symons, breakfast presenter on ABC 774 Melbourne. Dear Mr. Scott I am writing to record my deep dismay at the behaviour of Red Symons on ABC 774 breakfast this morning. Let me begin by saying that I like Red, listen to him every morning, and find him both intelligent and entertaining. This morning however I felt he flouted the ABC’s promise of balanced and fair commentary on political matters by beginning his session with a statement to the effect that he found no offence in Tony Abbott’s ‘shit happens’ remark to soldiers in Afghanistan and left listeners in no doubt that he was on Abbott’s side and that he thought he was being unreasonably criticized. Even when talk back callers disagreed, he sought to counter their reasons and their argument. While this was contrary to ABC policy, it was other aspects that disturbed me even more. First, while many Australians would find using ‘shit happens’ in relation to a soldier’s death offensive, I suspect many would not, although they might wish for more dignified talk from a potential PM. But for Red to have focused on Abbott’s language was to miss the point. It was not Abbott’s words that attracted attention as much as his inability or unwillingness to answer Channel Seven Mark Riley’s question about the incident. But because Red had not seen the TV footage he made no reference to it; his focus was only on Abbott’s language. His research of the morning papers would have given him access to the actual video, had he looked. Moreover, Red did not know that the Liberal Party for three months had resisted the release of the video, which was taken by Defence personnel, and that Channel Seven had obtained it only after a long FOI process. Although a couple of talkback callers tried to inform him, it was only when Red spoke briefly with Jon Faine prior to the 7.45 news that he became fully aware of these essential facts. Had he known about them he might have been able conduct a more balanced discussion instead of his dogged defence of Abbott’s language when for many that was not the issue. So my disagreement with Red’s approach is not just his defence of Abbott, but his doing this while being aware of only half the story. Red rarely misses the point, but this time he did so badly. He exhibited gross lack of balance and bias based on his personal views, he used leading questions to talkback callers to encourage endorsement of his support for Abbott, did not want to listen to the whole story even when callers mentioned it, and in his conversation with Jon Faine, who put him wise to the full story, made a remark about Julia Gillard’s tears in parliament which I regarded as snide. If the ABC still wishes to promote its ‘fair and balanced’ approach to political reporting, it has been made much more difficult by the performance we had from Red Symons this morning Yours sincerely Folks It is clear that the usual media suspects have been mobilized by the Coalition camp to defend Tony Abbott. I noted that he fled to Alan Jones for an interview this morning but declined an invitation from the ABC’s [i]AM[/i] for an interview, which program was at least balanced. What is disappointing is that a part of the ABC, OUR ABC, the Melbourne breakfast show, came out so stridently in Abbott’s defence. It was good to hear Jon Faine promoting a much fairer and more balanced discussion on his morning show.

Feral Skeleton

9/02/2011BSA Bob, And by this afternoon the Coalition have misconstrued Abbott's apoplectic rage into a 'Dignified Silence'. Can you believe it? Of course, the ABC shill, Gillian Bradford, just sat there and let the Liberal mouthpiece say it, unchallenged. Of course, the craven Labor spokesperson there with Dan Tehan of the Liberal Party, didn't want to say anything nasty about Tony, for fear of bringing the wrath of the mediasphere down upon the ALP's head. I think it's instructive to read this comment about the ABC from today's Crikey, if you haven't already. Says it all, really well: [quote] Brendan Donohoe writes: In the effort to achieve "balance" the ABC has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. This week's Q&A was a travesty. We endured the spectacle of Gerard Henderson -- apologist for and beneficiary of the mining lobby -- denying climate change and never brought to account. Richo blathered on about pensioner's heating that could be easily be supplied by alternative energy. Again he wasn't challenged on this. Ms Deveny, waaaay out of her depth, and bullied by Hendo on Christian bashing, was reduced to enacting a flaccid flirt piece with the "Deputy Dawg". Amanda Vanstone ... er ... couldn't concentrate but I recollect some pro-forma smoke-up-John Howard's-arse-action and, by default, the shambolic David Williamson almost made sense. The report in today's Crikey from Prof. Garnault that Australia is the world's laggard on climate change couldn't be more timely. We are laggards in terms of domestic co2 output.We are international vandals when one takes into account co2 we are profiting from in coal exports! As far as I can see, Mark Scott has reduced the ABC to a hapless polar bear. I recall that the polar bear's baby died in her epic and tragic swim to find solid ground. So too is the future of the nation's broadcaster doomed to sink and flounder in a sea of irrelevancy while Scott is at the helm.[/quote]

Jason

9/02/2011jj, The only good thing that happened with Abbott is what most of us knew anyway! and that is he can't think on his feet,he's good at slogans, and if you remember before he went he was telling the government that the troops needed tanks etc!and was playing politics on the issue! "Shit Happens alright once the American commander told him they were well equipped, there went that line of attack! He's just an opportunist who for three months tried to hide what he was doing, yet lectures others about being open and transparent!

Feral Skeleton

9/02/2011The problem with Red Symons is, he has become part of what he railed so effectively against when he was in Skyhooks. Part of the Establishment. He's fast losing his sense of perspective.

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9/02/2011jj You say ‘the media has come around to their senses’. Did any explain how and why Tony Abbott was unable or unwilling to respond to Mark Riley’s invitation to Abbott to explain ‘the context’ of his remark, about which Abbott had commented at the beginning of the interview, accusing Riley of ‘taking the remark out of context’. Here was the perfect opportunity to give a cogent reason that might have resonated with the people. Instead he was mute, and for a long while. We have seen similar behaviour from Abbott in press conferences – when he dislikes the questions, and can’t or won’t answer them, he just winds up the presser and walks away. We know the Liberal Party fought the release of the Afghanistan video and that it took three months for Channel Seven to get it under FOI. Why the resistance? Presumably because they thought it would show Abbott in a less-than-favourable light. If that was so, why was Abbott not armed with a plausible explanation? Instead of standing there, nodding his head, he had the opportunity to defuse the situation. His office was given over two hours’ notice of what was to be shown, allowed Abbott to pick the time and place of the interview, yet he still couldn’t get his act together to head off a potentially damaging incident. If you think the majority of people are harping on the ‘s**t happens’ words, I think you will find you are wrong. What has dismayed people most is not Abbott’s language – we’ve heard those words from his lips before – or perhaps the use of them in reference to a soldier’s death, it is the inability or unwillingness of the man who would be PM of this nation to address an awkward situation and come out trumps, which good politicians are able to do. We worry how he would manage much more serious matters, especially on the international stage. If this is the best he can do over this relatively small matter, which if he had handled deftly would by now have evaporated into the ether, how would he handle awkward international matters on behalf of our nation? Perhaps you can reassure us.

NormanK

9/02/2011If we thought last week's Insiders portrayed a fairer-minded Barrie Cassidy compared with last year, we should think again. Cassidy might as well be standing on the roof shouting : "Go Tony Go!" [b]Rough days on a rolling campaign to nowhere[/b] [quote]The Coalition was supposed to swagger back into Canberra ready to tear the government apart. But that hasn't happened. When question time finally rolled around, they had nothing. The politics of the levy are slipping away from them. How is it that given the terrible travails of the government since the "new paradigm" evolved, the Coalition has not opened up a substantial lead? And how is it that when Essential Media asked 12 questions related to character traits and capability, Gillard beat Abbott in every one of them? These are rough days for a government still finding its way and crippled by a history of wasteful spending, and yet the opposition seems incapable of exploiting any of it.[/quote] http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/09/3134481.htm What "terrible travails" Barrie? The passage of god knows how many bills through the parliament? The NBN legislation which was seen as crucial to its continued roll-out? Remember that Barrie? Passed. The Essential Media poll - you don't like Gillard so all of the rest of us should just fall into line, is that it? Perhaps Abbott fared poorly in the poll because that's what people think of him. "How can this be?" Barrie cries. Apparently the government is "crippled by a history of wasteful spending". Or perhaps it is getting on with the job despite the false perceptions of wasteful spending. This is partisan journalism at its worst.

Lyn

9/02/2011Hi Ad It's good to see you here this afternoon. Thankyou for your very informative and much appreciated comment in regards to the growth of TPS. The genuine, concern & quality of our commenters opinions, posted here, although, always enjoyable, I realise can sometimes be very time consuming, for you. I think you have made a very wise decision Ad, the ABC board would be a lot more demanding in the long term, than it appears on the surface. I am thrilled to bits that you are happy & contented to just continue with your attention to "The Political Sword" our happy stomping ground. I am sure everyone will agree it's a good place to be, there is always someone to listen to us, read our opinions and appreciate our input. Meanwhile we are always waiting with anticipation for your assuring words daily, in reply to our comments. I certainly enjoy your opinion on any subject you post on TPS. Your Gravatar photo on TPS brightens up my day AD, your opinion is always so fair and balanced, thankyou. The email you have shared with us to the ABC, is going make some heads think, I am sure, your choice of words Ad, are second to none. Cheers Ad thankyou for TPS

tredlgt

9/02/2011 abbott believes he should be PM yet he is unable to answer one question put to him. It may have been a trivial question as we all know that 'shit happens' is his fall back response when his brain slows down. Unfortunatly for Australia our wanabe PM looked like he was trying not to cry because he believed that what he had said to the soldier was tactless and he had been caught in another stuff up. But every things OK now murdoch will pull him out of the shit again.

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9/02/2011Folks I have just posted another penetrating piece from HillbillySkeleton: [i]Poisoning the well of our good nature[/i]. http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2011/02/09/Poisoning-the-well-of-our-good-nature.aspx

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9/02/2011Hi Lyn Thank you so much for your kind and reassuring remarks. Through your links, you are the one who had added so much to [i]TPS[/i] and have attracted so many visitors who have become regular commentors, adding richly to the quality of the site. All who visit here thank you.

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9/02/2011jj If you still believe ‘the media has come around to their senses’, you won’t get much joy from the main channels tonight – Seven, Nine, Ten, SBS, and the ABC all gave a pretty disparaging account, not of Tony Abbott’s ‘s**t happens’ comment, but his behaviour during the interview when he refused to respond to the opportunity to explain the context of his actions in Afghanistan. Of course it will all blow over, but many, even some in the Coalition, will have their doubts confirmed about Abbott’s judgement and his ability to think on his feet, especially when facing awkward questions. We have all seen this before, and this episode will reinforce feelings of uncertainty about Abbott’s leadership capacity. Despite all the efforts of the Coalition and its media stooges to gloss over this matter and even blame the journalist or the media for the saga, people will store this in memory from which it will likely surface at crucial times – perhaps at election time.

Graeme

9/02/2011Watched PM Agenda today and we can be assured that the furore over Abbott's disturbing behaviour will blow over pretty quickly. How do I know this? Well, for a start, David Speers said so, and Matthew Franklin agreed with him. So we can be pretty confident that their respective outlets will be doing their best to make this story go away. Franklin offered the opinion that it was 'the TV guys' trying to get even with Abbott because he didn't take any of their cameramen/women on his Afghanistan trip. Maybe he's right. The MSM took a very dim view of Kevin Rudd when he tried to control the flow of information to them.

Jason

9/02/2011Graeme, Franklin for all the good he is should be the coalition's press sec!All the right wing journos who it would seem have rather short memories! Today they say Abbott was around men talking like men do! OK I'll concede that point so why then when Rudd went with men to a strip joint his whole being was called into question?

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9/02/2011Graeme, Jason Yes it will blow over - such news has a very short life. But the episode will stick in people's memories. The rusted on Abbott/Coalition supporters will wonder about him but stick with him; the uncommitted will store this episode and it will pop up unexpectedly when decisions about who to support arise. It won't go away; it will fester. It may end up being his 'Latham moment'. Latham had several - all noteworthy for their naivety and oafishness. Abbott is rapidly catching up.

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9/02/2011tredlgt You are right on every count.

TalkTurkey

9/02/2011Tune: How much is that Doggie in the window? How weird is that Tony on my TV? (Crap! Crap) The one with the dumb nodding head? How weird is that Tony on my TV? (Crap! Crap!) I do think that Tony's brain-dead! When he took a trip to play some war-games And fire a machine-gun at whim He noticed that excrement eventuates And it's true it has happened to him! How weird is that Tony on my TV? (Crap! Crap!) The one with the dumb nodding head? How weird is that Tony on my TV? (Crap! Crap!) I do think that Tony's brain-dead! In Afghanistan there was a camera (OOH! ME!) And a microphone heard what he said And now Riley's showin' him the footage (OOH! ME!) He stands there just noddin' his head! I'd rather have a kitty or a bunny Or one of those parrots that squawk: At least they are pretty and they're funny, And a parrot can learn how to talk! How weird is that Tony on my TV? (Crap! Crap) The one with the dumb nodding head? How weird is that Tony on my TV? (Crap! Crap!) I do think that Tony's brain-dead!
How many oranges do I have if I have 3 oranges and take ONE away?