The Great Debate Debacle

Has anyone had a good word to say about the Great Debate last Sunday? What was it all about? What was the intent of the organizers?

Was it to provide entertainment for the viewers of the channels involved?
Was it to try out some new opinion-counting gadgetry?
Was it to stage a head-to-head contest to pick a winner?
Was it to see who was the best debater?
Was it to satisfy the debating elite by following their preferred format?
Was it to see who had the sharpest repartee, the best rejoinder?
Was it to see who exhibited the coolest demeanour, the highest confidence?
Was it to look for stumbles, inept utterances, embarrassing gaffes, headline makers?
Was it to make the involved journalists look erudite, sharp, and perceptive?
Was it to give fodder for the TV and radio news, and the next day’s papers?

I suspect it was all of the above.

Yet it turned out to be paltry entertainment and showed lamentable inconsistency between counting gadgets, with several picking Kevin Rudd a comfortable winner, while another recorded the striking reverse. It never assessed debating attributes and oral skills directly, and failed to satisfy the debating pundits. It only obliquely addressed demeanour and confidence and found a few stumbles, Rudd’s use of notes being the one most mentioned. It did show though how out of touch and inept the journalists were at organizing and conducting such an event. It certainly did provide fodder for lots of news and opinion writing, most of it inconsequential or uninformed. Overall though, the Great Debate was a debacle.

Was it to help voters decide who was the most suitable leader to be the next PM?
Was it to enlighten voters about the salient issues of the election?
Was it to tell voters about the vision the leaders have for the nation?
Was it to inform voters about how the leaders viewed the challenges ahead?
Was it to help voters decide who had the best policies to cope with them?
Was it to help voters decide who had the most accurate costings?
Was it to help voters feel confident that at least one of the leaders had what it takes to lead the nation effectively, efficiently, and wisely for the next triennium?

In my view, it was none of the above. I doubt if these aims entered into the minds of the organizers. If they did, if the organizers were hoping to elucidate these matters, the ‘debate’ was an abject failure.

Yet, we ought not to be surprised. If one were hoping to address these issues, why would the organizers and interrogators be drawn from a decaying and incompetent Fourth Estate that has shown itself to be remote from mainstream Australians, trapped in the Canberra echo-chamber where groupthink abounds and reverberations deafen, where a foreign mogul issues instructions from on high about what he wants and how his journalists shall get it for him?

If we have a repeat of the Great Debate, the concept of debates between leaders at election time will atrophy and die. The format was wrong, the organizers were unsuitable, the interrogators inappropriate, and it was not even enjoyable entertainment.

It’s easy to be critical. It’s not so easy to be innovative, to be constructive. What follows is an attempt to outline a foundation for a debate that has a chance of being more informative for voters. I recognize that there may be resistance from one or more of the political parties to any attempt to give voters sound evidence on which to base their voting decisions. I suspect that for both major parties the crucial tasks are as follows:

Avoid any error that diminishes the party’s prestige or the leader’s status.
Avoid saying anything that will be fodder for the gaffe-hungry Fourth Estate.
Avoid committing to anything that is contrary to party policy.
Avoid committing to anything that might come back to haunt the party.
Avoid promises or suggestions that might turn out to be inappropriate, unattainable, or politically unwise.
Avoid giving figures or costings unless they are unquestionably correct.
Never miss an opportunity to criticize the opponent.
Never miss an opportunity to make a hypercritical comment, or utter a well-tried slogan.
Put down and embarrass the opponent at every opportunity.
Impugn the opponent’s character, motives and intent.
Repeat criticisms no matter how well worn, no matter how out-of-date.
Use sarcasm liberally. Demean at every opportunity.
Use distortions of the truth ‘when it is safe to do so’.
Insist that no matter how poorly the debate has gone for you, you won.
Be ready to remind the media of any gaffes, misstatements, inaccuracies, or lies your opponent perpetrated during the debate.

Given this formidable list of negative tasks that both sides always have in mind, it would not be unreasonable to conclude that a rational and productive debate between leaders is simply not possible to arrange. Anyway let’s try.

What I want to know before voting can be summarized as follows:

What vision do the leaders have for this nation for the next three years, and the next decade?
Put another way, what sort of nation would they wish to see in three and ten years?
Given that Australia exists in a global economy where what is happening elsewhere impinges comprehensively on our economy, especially what is happening in China, India, Japan, United States, Europe, the developing economies in our region, and in South America, what are the economic challenges facing the nation now, and likely to be in the next decade?
How do the leaders plan to address these challenges, one by one?
Do the leaders seek to bring the Budget back into balance?
If so, when do they expect they might be able to do this?
How do they plan to do this?
What moves do they plan to improve revenue and reduce expenditure to achieve this?
How do they plan to correct the longstanding structural defects in the Budget that so adversely affect it now?
How do they plan to reduce debt, over what period, and in what circumstances?
What are the attributes for the economy for which each leader is striving?
In particular, what are the desirable levels of growth, unemployment, participation, productivity, debt to GDP ratio, terms of trade, rating agency ratings, consumer and business confidence, inflation, RBA cash rates, interest rates, investment, business activity (retail, manufacturing, mining, agricultural), housing starts, housing affordability, business starts and defaults, and infrastructure development?
What are their specific policies to develop and to grow the economy?
What are their specific policies to create jobs?
Specifically, what are their policies to support car manufacturing?
Specifically, what are their policies to support small business?
What policies do they have in other portfolio areas that are designed to support the economy?
What is their tax policy?
What changes to tax policy are they advocating? Is a change to the GST an option?
How might these be brought about?
What are their priorities for expenditure?
Specifically, what emphasis do they propose to give to major areas of expenditure: on health, aged care and disability; education; welfare and transfer payments; immigration; defence; diplomatic activity and overseas aid; and the public service?
Will all policies and their cost be made available well before Election Day?

The questions above are related to the economy. But how many of these have been addressed in the campaign and in the Great Debate?

As Ben Eltham pointed out: “All in all, we’re not hearing a lot of detail from our politicians about their economic policies. Instead, the ongoing fascination with the deficit as a proxy for economic management continues to distract from the bigger picture. In a tougher and more substantial media environment, this lack of detail would be called out, as Colebatch does today on Opposition costings. But on the whole, the media continues to obsess over trivia, like Kevin Rudd’s notes in Sunday night’s leaders’ debate, or Tony Abbott’s unfortunate turn of phrase about suppositories.”

Ross Gittins says: “The two leaders' aim in the debate was the same as their aim in this campaign: to make it to election day while giving as few commitments as possible about what they'll do in the next three years.” Later he opines: “In modern campaigning, tough issues aren't debated, they're closed off.”

We are likely to reach Election Day with very few answers to these economic questions. At least Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan, and later Kevin Rudd, Chris Bowen and Penny Wong addressed, and clearly spelt out the economic challenges facing this nation in the decade ahead. Everyone ought to know them by now.

In contrast, Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey, Andrew Robb and Mathias Cormann have never done so. Indeed, to a man they have denied the dire global economic situation, as if it never existed, as if it did not exist now. Instead, they have tried to sheet home to the Government responsibility for the budgetary problems it faces as a result of falling revenue. It’s all the Government’s fault according to them, and has nothing to do with the slowdown in the economy of China and its diminishing need for resources, nothing to do with the fall in the world prices for commodities, nothing to do with the recession in Europe or the sluggish economy in the US, nothing to do with the high Australian dollar. It’s all Labor’s mismanagement that has caused the problem. And with a compliant, unquestioning Fourth Estate, there is almost no one to challenge the Coalition’s disingenuousness, deception and outright lies. They are spread far and wide by the Murdoch press, particularly through its tabloid headlines, with Fairfax, and even the ABC echoing them. The voices of the few sensible and balanced commentators, such a Ross Gittins, Peter Martin, Stephen Koukoulas, and Laura Tingle, are drowned out by the cacophony of adverse comment streaming daily from the anti-Labor media.

Labor has attempted via several formal addresses by Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and Chris Bowen to spell out how it plans to counter the adverse global economic environment in which Australia is immersed, and manage the transition of our economy from a resource-based one to a more diversified one that focuses on manufacturing, service provision and agriculture. In contrast, all we have heard from the Coalition is a bunch of motherhood statements, a plethora of oft-repeated slogans, and precious little substance.

If you think that is unfair comment, take a look through the Coalition’s formal statements in its booklet: Our Plan Real Solutions for All Australians, the one that Abbott and his team clutch to their chest during pressers, always cover side out. It’s quite nicely laid out, and easy to follow. Download the PDF file and scroll through the content. At first there is some statements about Delivering a strong, prosperous economy and a safe, secure Australia. Then scroll to page 28 and read the section headed: Building a Five pillar economy and unleashing Australia’s potential.

Some of you may nod in approval because there are few motherhood aspirations there that could reasonably be challenged, but look for the detail about HOW these aspirations are to be accomplished. Don’t expect too much. Most of it you will have heard before. It is fine sounding, but superficial. This is what Ben Eltham had to say in New Matilda: “The Coalition has a plan to build a “five-pillar economy”, but details on this pentagonal wonder are hard to find. How will the Coalition drive growth in one of those five pillars, education and research? Apparently, according to the Coalition’s “Our Plan” brochure, “by removing the shackles and burdens holding the industry back and by making the industry more productive and globally competitive.” Clearly, he is left underwhelmed by detail in the Coalition’s ‘Real Solutions’.

This is what a debate between leaders ought to be about – teasing out the aspirations for the economy and wrapping them in the detail of how the aspirations will be achieved. The leaders ought not to be able to get away with platitudinous targets; it is the how that transforms laudable goals into actual achievements. That’s what we need to know. A good moderator ought to be able to extract that information, if indeed the leader is in possession of it. Perhaps the Chris Bowen/Joe Hockey encounter on Q&A on Monday night will give us what we want and need. It will be a forum that we can contrast with the forum of last Sunday’s debate.

So far, I have dealt with but one of the many areas of government that need appraisal – the economy, clearly the most important of all to the electorate. There are many others though – too many to deal with here. Health, education, industrial relations, immigration, and global warming spring to mind. These too need to be addressed.

It is not just the content of the debates that need attention, it is the format.

The Sunday night format was awful. It was inappropriate on almost every count. First, I believe that if there is to be a journalist involved at all, moderator is the only role that might be appropriate. Journalists should not formulate the questions, or ask them. They should not presume to know the questions voters want answered.

For my part, I would prefer questions to be formulated by a panel familiar with the subject matter, and based on questions submitted by the voters. Well before the debate, the public should be invited to post questions on a website dedicated to the debate. These would then be aggregated into groups, and questions refined from them. This would not be difficult or time consuming.

The debate is not for the purpose of tripping up the leaders, or even testing their capacity to remember the details of their policies. It is not an exam. So why not send them the questions a few days in advance to give them the chance to prepare full, yet concise answers. We want to know what the policies really are, not how well the leaders remember them or even how well they articulate them in an off-the-cuff answer, certainly not how well they spin an answer off the top of their head.

A competent moderator should present the questions, which should also be displayed boldly on a screen behind the leaders, so they are visible to viewers throughout the answers. Each leader is given the same time to respond, and should be permitted to use visual aids such as graphs and graphics. The eye combined with the ear is better than the ear alone. The moderator should have the right to interrupt if the speaker is wandering off topic or avoiding the question, if he makes a contentious or contestable statement, if he reverts to motherhood statements or slogans, and if he spends too long criticising his opponent.

There should be opportunities for each leader to challenge the other’s assertions and ask for evidence.

Each debate should be confined to just one major topic, or a small group of related topics, such as, for example, health, aged care and disability. Too many topics in the one debate foster superficiality, as we saw during the first debate.

I do not believe community forums are suitable for such a debate between leaders. Those I have witnessed have been characterized by partisan questioning by audience ‘plants’, and stereotypical answers. Nor do I think the Q&A format, where the audience pose the questions, is suitable. While some Q&A sessions have been laudable (and entertaining), for a debate where in-depth probing of the leaders is crucial, this format is unlikely to achieve what voters need. And we certainly don’t want to be entertained. We want to be informed. The format for the Bowen/Hockey encounter on Q&A will be worthy of note. In particular, I will be looking to see how Tony Jones garners the questions, how he keeps the speakers on topic, the extent to which he interrupts, how appropriate those interruptions are, and how well the speakers inform the viewers about their policies and their costings.

In summary, I believe the best arrangement for these debates would be to divide the major issues into four or five main topics, invite the public to post online the questions they want addressed, have a panel of professionals in the subject refine the questions, send them to the speakers beforehand, have an accomplished moderator pose them and then monitor the leaders’ contributions, allowing interaction between them. There ought to be an hour-long debate on each major topic, or group of topics. I would favour having ministers and shadow ministers involved as well as the leaders. That would somewhat tone down the presidential tenor that now overwhelms this election campaign.

We need more debates, better information, more transparency, deeper insight, more honesty.


There it is folks. It may be pie in the sky.

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18/08/2013Folks No doubt we will have more debates between the leaders. If they are poorly organized and carried out, as was the case with last Sunday’s debate, I fear the idea of a debate might soon die. After the first, the concept already looks moribund. It can be revived only with vigorous resuscitation by professionals who know how to organize and conduct meaningful debates. This piece analyses the first debate and suggests how the next might be fashioned to provide much more useful information to an electorate hungry for details about what the leaders have in mind. So far we have been treated like mugs. Please offer your critique of my suggestions, and add your own.

Gravel

18/08/2013Ad Astra I can't add anything as I didn't watch the debate. It's the first time I haven't watched a debate since 2001. Although I don't comment much here anymore, I do still read The Political Sword, as I don't want you thinking I've abandoned you.

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18/08/2013Gravel It's good to see you back. Why not take a look at the Bowen/Hockey debate on tomorrow night's Q&A. It couldn't be worse than the Great Debate; it just might give a clue about how to organise the next debate between the leaders. I'd be interested to read your appraisal of it.

Catching up

18/08/2013At least we have Rudd out today, addressing an audience, albeit one made up of Labor supporters. Where did Abbott spend his time. A coffee shop in a higher income suburb, and his local football field, where he spent his time verballing Albanese. I think that Rudd might be getting the message, He needs to sell the last six years. Managed to do that at Westmead, albeit not mentioning Gillard by name, but that is OK, as long as the achievements are not airbrushed out. Those mother's that are considering supporting Abbott's PPL, should hold off, until they see what the plans are for childcare, which will be an ongoing concern, for the childhood of their little darling. Are their plans for dumbing down the staffing for centres, and allowing the better off, to by passing childcare centres, by hiring nannies. It is another area, they have signal changes with no details.

John Bloomfield

18/08/2013I like your suggestions Ad astra. The current style of "debates" is more about kudos for the 'starring' journalists these days than being informative to electors. They are shallow infotainment - dumbed down to proceed more like a Punch and Judy show. I like the idea of selection and providing the questions to the participants prior to the event; I see no reason to limit the use of support aids to ensure data accuracy or illustrate explanations - provided they are relevant - not just sloganeering props. Unfortunately, with our media owned by corporations with a blatant vested interest in the election outcome, I think there is zero possibility of a meaningful debate being structured to deliver honest information to electors will ever occur within "their" commercial venues. Organisers and participant journalists own careers are directly or indirectly at the whim of a media magnate, and they know it!! If OUR ABC hadn't been sabotaged during Howard's reign with MSM/IPA style management, it would be the perfect venue to present information in the national interest in a non partisan manner.

TalkTurkey

18/08/2013#Ashbygate - The Movie! Over an hour long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRqEZRGnJSQ&list=PLhnMGmDX2jAsdgg1-4kONHmKVgIIwXnpn

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18/08/2013Nasking Are you watching 5 Broken Cameras? Israeli Jews dispossessing ancestral owners from their land? Shooting anyone who gets in their way? Breaking cameras of the man filming their outrages? You are a self-trumpeted "big supporter of Israel" - OK Defend yourself! [i]I have always respectfully withdrawn from conflict with you on the issue[/i] - (Your bad eyes, your depression, your [i]bellyaches[/i] - Well let me tell you you're no bloody orphan!) But a worm will turn and I'm turning on you to defend your support of this criminal fascist regime, and to defend how you have referred to [i]me[/i]. [i]You[/i] dare [i]me[/i] BULLY! Well if you want to see bullying at its worst, absolutely on a par with the Third Reich, there it is on YOUR TV. It is only my GENTLE nature that has stayed my hand from telling you what I think of that. Well no more Mr Nice Guy. Nobody on this site bar me has ever had the balls to attack Israel's arch-criminal status, seems Israel has got EVERYBODY cowed. But I am pretty old, if Mossad decides to poison me well too bad, I WILL have my say about your precious Israel now. IMO it is the seat of [i]all [/i]deliberately-fomented strife on the planet. That includes the hatreds it foments in every Arab country, and don't bother telling me I'm supporting Islam, I despise all religions but its the Jews who are the murderers dispossessers and fomenters of international strife. Its hands are always clean in the West because no outrage is too extreme for its big bully boy brother the USA to take any action against it. But just watch the program. Murderous bastard regime. They call everyone anti-Semitic [b][i]as you called me[/i][/b]who dares even utter a peep about their criminality. Go on Nasking, call me that again, water off a duck's back. [i]Semites aren't all Jews, most of them are Arabs. [/i]Most Jews are NOT Semites is the fact. So who's the Bully eh? . Don't think I forget things like that. If you don't give me a [i]decent answer[/i] I'll bloody well post the retort I wrote to you the first time you bullied me, but stayed my hand in pity for you, and due to my natural diffidence. I can tell you [i]YOU WON'T LIKE IT if I do[/i]. Because then I really WILL come across as what you have so very unjustly - and unwisely - called me already. Watch 5 Broken Cameras and glorify in the evil your heroic Jewish bastards are doing EVERY DAY as I write. I can't bear to watch, but I can't in conscience squib it entirely. I guess you will feel surprised and hurt by this and will want to call me those names again. Well TOO BAD. I wonder if ANYONE on TPS has managed to watch it? I'd bet that 50x as many Australians are watching Squizzy. I can't blame you, this outrage should not be happening and feel-good stuff is so much more comforting. But this is TRUTH. If I can hate Abborrrtt so, imagine how much hatred your murdering thieving Israelis are causing EVERY DAY. They are DEVILS, and You Nasking are their "big Supporter". I spit on your support for Israel and on your descriptions of me. Defend yourself. Posting this now. With deep misgivings at my outspokenness - I DON'T like abusing people whatever spin you Nasking put on me -but be warned I'm still being pretty restrained.

my say

18/08/2013thanks for the movie, i have sent it to friends ,we have to show everyone what these people are doing ,because sure as hell the MSM won't

TalkTurkey

18/08/2013my say It's BRILLIANT to see you here again ... Do you often lurk here? You are a legend in case you didn't know. I value your good sense a lot. Please write here more often. :)

TalkTurkey

18/08/2013From my post at 10.36 "You dare me BULLY!" = You dare [i]call[/i] me BULLY!

lyn

19/08/2013Today’s Links L-NP (51%) takes the lead over ALP (49%) with only 3 weeks to go By Roy Morgan Last weekend (August 16-18, 2013) with only three weeks to go until the Federal Election, the L-NP has taken the lead – L-NP 51% cf. ALP 49% on a two-party preferred basis. Just one week ago, before the first Leaders Debate the Morgan Poll showed the ALP and L-NP equal on 50%. http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/51115-morgan-poll-august-19-2013-201308181432 The Dobell Robertson figures revisited by @independentaus THE POLLING we did in Dobell, going up to people of all ages in shopping malls on a Saturday and Sunday, suggested a Labor/Green/Craig Thomson vote of 64 per cent. Newspoll on Friday suggested a Labor/Green/Thomson vote of 46. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-dobell-robertson-figures-revisited/ Worse than disrespect by Ozfenric.@MigloMT I think that the Coalition’s attitude towards revealing their costings to the Australian people (and the media) in advance of the election is about more than avoiding contention. Taken in combination with the coalition’s approach to climate change the NBN the carbon price/tax Labor’s budget everything, http://theaimn.com/2013/08/18/worse-than-disrespect Labor launches Tony Abbott attack ad by lenore Taylor Labor's campaign will also allege the Coalition intends to cut health funding. In fact the Coalition's health policy has been left fairly vague. It promises to "review" Medicare locals – the 60 or so organisations set up around Australia to co-ordinate primary health care – and to keep existing levels of hospital funding. It has said GP superclinics have been a failure but it will honour existing contracts. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/labor-tony-abbott-attack-ad Paid parental leave is just a start by lenore Taylor Greg Jericho cites the Productivity Commission's finding that a paid parental leave scheme with "full replacement wages for highly educated, well-paid women would be very costly for taxpayers" and would pay the most to women who already had a "high level of attachment to the labour force" and also http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/paid-parental-leave-just-start Paid Maternity Leave for Australia’s Women of Calibre by leone Abbott’s company tax cut will compensate for the ‘levy’ and taxpayers will have to foot the whole cost. That means billions less available for essentials like health and education. 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The family tax benefit supplement can come to more than $2000. http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/rudd-closes-immunisation-loophole/ policy gaps from the two major parties by ACTU Coalition: Will increase use of individual flexibility agreements which trade off wages and conditions in return for changes to work arrangements.Unions do not want to see employees with caring responsibilities become ‘second class’ workers on reduced wages and conditions. http://www.actu.org.au/Images/Dynamic/attachments/7983/Modern%20Women%20Report.pdf The media must be seeing a different Tony than me by @MigloMT Like everybody else I’ve been reading the papers with interest over the last couple of weeks. 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Their policies mainly benefit large landholders and larger mining companies, proposing more infrastructure built from the public treasury http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/full-of-promise.html Mirabella in front, but McGowan claims support from all camps: @jansant @NoFibs The contest for Indi hit the national media this week with a hint of friction in Liberal-National coalition ranks, as reports emerged of National Party members being involved in independent Cathy McGowan’s push to unseat the Liberals’ Sophie Mirabella. - http://nofibs.com.au/2013/08/18/indi/ 20 days to the Federal election – and I’m voting Labor by @TaraNipe I work in one of Melbourne’s major public hospitals. The people I care for are some of the sickest in the state – they often have multiple medical issues, in addition to their admission issue. 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The results we overwhelmingly positive. 55% of people thought it was Excellent, 27% thought it was pretty good, 12% said it was not their flavor and 6% thought it was average. http://techau.com.au/poll-which-nbn-policy-do-you-prefer/ Don’t Risk Frauband by @itsTorin Only Labor are proposing high-speed internet to be rolled out across Australia, including in remote and rural areas of the country. The idea has been welcomed and met with great enthusiasm by those in the tech industry, as well in businesses who will benefit greatly as a result of the rollout. http://torinpeel.com/fraudband-is-a-risk/30 FTTH vs FTTN in detail by DesignVisStudios Video We go into detail about the performance differences between the Labor and Liberal NBN plans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NB7hYWTnak8 Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 19 August 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

cornlegend

19/08/2013Ad, Not usually a huge fan of it, but I would like to see all the remaining debates on Q&A, or at least with Tony Jones and a live audience, Q&A style. No journalists., panel, whatever. Face to face with the public

2353

19/08/2013I only saw the first few minutes of the debate - and then decided that almost anything else was more relevant and important to my life in general. The problems with the format are that this one was a "pinch" from the US style debates (which also are overrated), "senior" Canberra Press Club journalists ask the questions (in reality the people asking and answering the questions live in the same bubble) and like it or not if it is a "leaders debate" where was Clive Palmer, Christine Milne, Bob Katter et al - regardless of the probability of forming a Government at the next election all these leaders have a substantial following in the Australian community. Lets face it, either Abbott or Rudd will lose so they have just as much right to be there as Milne, Katter, Palmer or anyone else that has a numerical chance of becoming PM on September 8. As an aside; I'm frequently amused by the term "senior journalist". While I'm not a journalist I have the word "Senior" in my job title as well. In reality it means that that I have either been clever or stupid enough to remain in the one profession for a period exceeding 15 years - trust me it gives no additional insight or claim for credibility over someone that has been doing the job 5 minutes if they actually think about what they do. Unfortunately AA while I like your suggestions for improvement as discussed in your well written and thought provoking leader it will never happen because it may promote[quote] better information, more transparency, deeper insight, more honesty[/quote] from our politicians - which increases the later risk of the media's favourite game "gotya" journalism.

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19/08/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

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19/08/2013Catching up I see Rudd is somewhat more animated today. He needs to meet fire with fire. Being gentlemanly towards Abbott is pointless. John Bloomfield Thank you for your comments. I believe you are right when you say that it would not be in the interests of media corporations to facilitate an informative debate. Their agenda is different – entertainment, picking winners, and ensuring that Abbott becomes PM. TT I’ll watch the Slipper movie when time permits – the first few minutes look fascinating! my say Welcome to The Political Sword family. Do come again. cornlegend It will be interesting to see how Q&A goes tonight, and whether it might be a better format than the Great Debate. It couldn’t be worse! 2353 Thank you for your kind comments. I agree that it is unlikely that the Fourth Estate would agree to a format that was more informative. It prefers conflict, winners and losers, gaffes and opportunities for the beloved ‘gotcha’.

bob macalba

19/08/2013Ad...didn't watch the last debate but after reading your summary above i nominate you to compere a debate and ask proper questions, but alas the infotainment must go on..send in the clowns

Ken

19/08/2013Ad As I commented in a previous thread, I didn't watch the debate but followed the aftermath. It is not only the journalists that are looking for the "gotcha" moment, it is also the opponent, which is one reason why the debates become so sterile. I'm not sure that a change of format would actually help because the politicians have become so risk averse that, even answering questions from the public, they will revert to their "policies", to bland motherhood statements, almost anything to avoid making a mistake!! (As an ex Public Servant I was quite accustomed to writing such answers to people who had written to the Minister.) No one has the courage to come out and say we have a vision for Australia, building infrastructure, improving hospitals, supporting new industries, but this will mean tax increases in the short to medium term so as to benefit our children and grandchildren and ensure Australia's future. No one dares say it. I did some number crunching this morning after the latest polls. The Morgan poll actually gives the break-down by age. Interestingly, the ALP is ahead all the way from 18 to 49. It is the 50s and over who favour the Coalition. When one extrapolates that to the population, I ended up with a 2PP of 50.5 to the ALP which doesn't quite match what the polls are saying (??). While there are some caveats I would have to put on my figures, I would say plus or minus 1% would cover them. But it also emphasises the importance to the ALP of ensuring younger voters are enrolled and vote. I vaguely recall seeing figures of about 20% of young voters not enrolled - if they voted, it could add about 0.5% to the ALP vote which can make a difference in a close election.

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19/08/2013bob macalba Thank you for the compliment. All you missed by not watching the Great Debate was the disappointment of it all. Ken I’m sure you are right. Because they know they will be pilloried by the Fourth Estate for any slip-up, politicians are very risk averse. They watch every word and end up saying very little that could guide voters. As I said in the post, they: [i]Avoid any error that diminishes the party’s prestige or the leader’s status. Avoid saying anything that will be fodder for the gaffe-hungry Fourth Estate. Avoid committing to anything that is contrary to party policy. Avoid committing to anything that might come back to haunt the party. Avoid promises or suggestions that might turn out to be inappropriate, unattainable, or politically unwise. Avoid giving figures or costings unless they are unquestionably correct.[/i] So what do we get – bland motherhoods and mindless slogans! The Fourth Estate has so intimidated politicians that they have been reduced to fairy floss – hollow words, empty undertakings and vacuous assurances. You analysis of the polls is most interesting. Time will tell.

TalkTurkey

19/08/2013Ad astra I'm really not sure of what Poetry is, although I have heard many people read their lines of what they consider to be poetry. It used to mean rhyming verse but ever since Dylan Thomas in the 1940s rhyme and meter are infra dig to the litterati and free verse so called reigns utterly supreme. I don't like being thought of as a poet, at least, not for my rhyming verse. Anyone can write words in short weird little lines and call it poetry: a good deal of thought goes into decent rhyme. There needs to be a new word now that free verse has usurped the term poetry: doggerel seems insulting, pomes is a bit apologetic to self-styled litterati where I don't think good verse need apologise at all, if anything to the contrary. But to get to the point: If free verse indeed should be worthy of the name Poetry, it must be because it [i]resonates[/i] in one's own head. And (as our Fearless Leader would almost certainly say) [i]You know what?[/i] That's what every article you write does with me and I do believe everybody here will agree. You remind me of John Stuart Mill [i]On Liberty[/i] in which he thinks through the dynamics of human interaction: he considers rights, and limitations thereto, in such simple logical terms that anyone can understand the conclusions immediately. You just say common perceptions so dam well! And it always resonates. So it prompts the question: Is it Poetry writ large? WRT to this latest post, really all I can add is Yes! That so-called debate was like dancing with your sister. Nobody very interested, ho bloody hum. But thanks for putting our thoughts into immortal words. I'm not joking about that. Your writings are absolutely prodigious. So many words! If [i]thoughts[/i] be [i]birds[/i] The [i]only substance known[/i] For feathers, flesh and brain is [i]words[/i] - And written words are bone! From my second big book of verse [i]New Worlds![/i] (about the Cosmos) [i]You are leaving one helluva pile of perfectly preserved bones for coming generations to consider Old Friend![/i]

Michael

19/08/2013Their candidates don't know their policies - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/liberal-candidate-unable-to-explain-coalition27s-climate-chang/4896078 The public don't know their costings, and Shadow Ministers like Manqué Turnbull aren't about to share them... (see Lyn's Link above, Steve on NBN blog) And we are promised a government by adults! "She ain't just a pretty face," that will be the level of comment from the top. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/election-live3a-campaign-enters-its-third-week/4895202 Oh yeah, adult. Especially from a woman, who, with her party leader's arm around her, is of the opinion that him saying she has 'sex appeal' is a "charming compliment". Does she think what 'sex appeal' actually means? 'He'd give you one, darling.' Charming, huh?

42 long

19/08/2013They know how to pick their female candidates, and they keep them out of prominent positions. Julie B will work under anyone. how many leaders has she "served" now? She's very loyal. ( To anyone as long as there is something in it for her ADULT government!. Just who are they kidding there. That is their latest LINE. A dolt. You would have to be a moron to vote for this shambles of a party, but nobody really looks beyond the dished out rubbish on the LTD News. The master of spin rolls along and gets away with everything. He should be on the stage.( First one out of town).

Michael

19/08/201342 long, You're punning up there with Shakespeare! Why people aren't laughing at Abbott instead of with him is beyond me. He seems to have the same touch as Berlusconi with 'everyday people'. I suspect because of the same shared core of buffoonery. And ultimately, no more to offer than little dances and broad smirks, while a country goes down the gurgler. Or is it just his sex appeal?

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19/08/2013I don't really want to go there. The church he adores has a problem with sex too so maybe that is where it originates from. In the old testament they did all sorts of things, that don't cut it today . It didn't seem to get much of a run in the new testament although Christ didn't criticise prostitutes. He did say a bit about not doing the right thing by children, and false prophets etc which might be topical. A few hundred years ago the Papal behaviour would perhaps have been more to phoney's liking. Bit more good honest lust.

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19/08/2013Talk Turkey What a delightful compliment you pay me with your words. It makes the weekly endeavour of writing worthwhile. Your thoughts, your words, soar like birds. Thank you. I’m pleased your enjoyed this piece. I realize that the many forces aligned against debates that inform us may hinder one ever being staged. The Fourth Estate wants entertainment, conflict, winners and losers, gaffes, and trivia for its ‘news’. Politicians want to escape unscathed, to hedge their commitments, to hide their intent, to sound authentic even when being deceptive, to put down their opponents, and of course to pick up votes on the way. It will be fascinating to compare tonight’s Q&A debate between Bowen and Hockey with the Great Debate. It couldn’t be worse. If Tony Jones does his job of moderator well, it could be a format that has promise.

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19/08/2013Michael There are some pretty poor candidates, some being unfamiliar with even longstanding policies. How did they get through the pre-selection process? How did Diaz and Zorich get a Guernsey? The Coalition Asylum Policy has been around for years with Morrison and Abbott reciting their mantras endlessly, but it seems Diaz has not been listening. The DAP has been around for yonks. Mind you, no one can explain how it will work, show how it will be effective, and tell us what it will really cost. But at least Zorich should have been able to mouth a few words – 20 million trees planted by the 15,00 strong green army, adding biochar to farming land, paying polluters to stop polluting; he should know all that nonsense. 42 long Abbott’s use of ‘adult government’ is the ultimate put down. Of course he and his team are ‘grown-up’. Yet many voters will lap up his paternalistic utterances as gospel, words from on high from their godfather.

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19/08/2013I love it when he turns and points with the "Uncle SAM Needs You" look. I wonder who is tutoring him? God we must look foolish when we vote him in(as all and sundry are saying. IF they are SO SURE of it why is it necessary to repeat it so often? Methinks you protest TOO much. Is it the FORCE or the effect of? no THEY are still PUSHING. Steve Lewis what a great friend Phoney has there. Just happened to be chairing the Press Club with Phoney WHEN Thomson was spectacularly "arrested" with all necessary force (POLICE) available and press to report it. ALL by CHANCE of course. TEE HEE...

Curi-Oz

19/08/2013Finally worked out who Mr Abbott would like to be ... Contrast/compare the following images: http://tinyurl.com/jvr7jbe and http://tinyurl.com/kobj5n2 Apologies to various eyeballs *impish grin*

bob macalba

19/08/2013Michael...Mr Candidate for your pleasure https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/N1imqWLjIvY%26hl=en_US%26fs=1%26 cheers

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19/08/2013Folks You may be interested in today’s Essential Report: http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport Curi-Oz Interesting images! bob macalba If, after that performance the people vote in Zorich, it would show how destitute politics has become.

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19/08/2013essentialvision. Lot of information contained there. I think the LieNP should not be too complacent with that. What is the point of Newspoll always being out in favour of the LieNP? Once everybody realises THAT, it is a little discredited. The abc Lower case) always use it. WHY for heavens sake? I they aren't working for the LieNP?

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19/08/201342 long As the ABC seems to be an extension of News Limited, I was surprised to hear Essential's 50/50 mentioned on ABC radio this afternoon by Rafael Epstein. Of course, poor old Morgan scarcely ever gets any acknowledgement, even though he has the parties much closer than [i]Newspoll[/i] On [i]7.30[/i], Uhlmann on was using [i]Newspoll[/i] to support his 'Labor is slipping behind' theme. Pro-Coalition journalists cherry pick the poll that suits the outcome they wish for. It called partisan reporting.

jane

19/08/2013Ad astra, another fine piece. I found your summary aptly summed up my feelings on the anti-climax which was falsely advertised as the "great debate" and the need for future debates to be organised along traditional lines, a moderator worth his/her salt and well prepared debaters. The only great thing about the great debate was that we could change channels and watch another vaguely entertaining program which also insulted our intelligence, but to a lesser degree. Neither speaker was convincing, but I thought Rudd was the clear winner. I found Abbott just made me angry as he trotted out the same tired old slogans and lies. Looking me directly in the eye just made me angrier; he didn't even have the decency to feel embarrassed about his blatant mendacity. Having said that, I agree that politicians are too afraid to make the smallest slip for fear of it being blown into a disaster on a par with the eruption of Krakatoa, such is the evil influence of the wizened foreigner. We can only hope that his current problems in the UK & the US will lead to him being cast down from a great height and his complete removal from any influence.

jane

19/08/2013I thought Bowen was very good debating Hockey on qanda tonight. Hockey was full of bluster and very unconvincing, I thought. Bowen surprised me; he was on top of policy and costings. Hockey was evasive and could only deliver the same old Liars talking points. IMO, he didn't deliver many blows.

lyn

20/08/2013Today’s Links Living on Bullshit Mountain by @Vic_Rollison It seems that the Liberal Party and their supporters have abandoned any semblance of civilised discussion, and are instead invoking the ‘bullshit my way through this’ technique whenever they are questioned. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/living-on-bullshit-mountain/ Election 2013: Day 15 (or, throwing the costings out with the bath water) Sunday papers was all about babies. Well no, but that was the way it was spun. It was actually about Abbott’s 3 year old paid parental leave scheme. You have to love that a policy first announced in early 2010 is still able to badged up as an exclusive that deserves a front page massage. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ Top 7 Coalition excuses for not releasing policy costings ByNick Feik One for each day of the week, repeat until election day: 2. We didn’t trust the Treasury forecasts, but then we did, and now we kind of do. So we’ve had to keep re-jigging the numbers. It takes time. 7. Rupert said we shouldn’t. http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/nick-feik/2013/08/19/1376876531/top-7-coalition-excuses-not-releasing-policy-costings An unhealthy addiction to election polls by @Drag0nista Australia is in the grip of an unhealthy obsession that has nothing to do with these temptations. Our nation is addicted to something far more insidious, brain-numbing and soul-destroying: we're addicted to opinion polls. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/matthewson-addicted-to-polls-election/4895314 Essential: Labor back level — and which media can be trusted? by Bernard Keane Labor’s primary vote has hit 40% and the two-party preferred gap between the major parties has vanished, leaving them balanced 50-50% less than three weeks from polling day, a new poll from Essential Research reveals. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/19/essential-labor-back-level-and-which-media-can-be-trusted/ Murdoch’s Way by Bob Ellis The poll of course is fabricated. It rings octogenarians on landlines on Friday nights and ‘weights’ its results to make them sound plausible. It rings no under-30s at all, knowing the Y-Generation favours Rudd by 60 to 25. If they rang mobiles, as Morgan does, they would get a result like his, 49 for Labor, not good, not good at all, but honest. http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/19/murdochs-way/ Mixed motives for Hockey’s budget intransigence by @1RossGittins the unworthy reasons for avoiding any firm commitment on when an Abbott government would get the budget back to surplus? I can think of three. Because it's a safe bet the Coalition parties intend to put their debt-and-deficit rhetoric on the back burner as soon as they're back in power and the fear campaign has served its purpose. http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/08/mixed-motives-for-hockeys-budget.html Inequitable Rubbish by @KayRollison if it really was a good policy, it would be worth paying for. But it isn’t. Tony Abbott is paying better-off people to do exactly the same thing as he is paying less well-off people to do – ie have a baby. This is inequitable rubbish – middle class welfare on steroids. http://theaimn.com/2013/08/19/inequitable-rubbish/ A workable $5.5bn scheme? Leave it out, Tony by Laura Tingle The Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme is policy so bad, so appalling – on both policy and political grounds – that in any reasonable contest, it should give Labor a fighting chance to get back in the election race. http://www.afr.com/p/national/workable_bn_scheme_leave_it_out_P8lhRSKyovqw41NcR7J3oN Tony’s giant middle class welfare cherry by @macro_business measured against what the nation needs, the policy fails on every measure. As we enter our post-boom adjustment there are three key measures that government should be benchmarking any policy against:favouring rich over poor, wasting money on unproductive policy and inhibiting company competitiveness. A worse policy for the times it would be hard to find. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/tonys-giant-middle-class-welfare-cherry/ Retirees will pay for the Paid Parental Leave scheme by Robert Gottliebsen When the Abbott-Hockey plan is introduced the franking credits will be calculated on the basis of 28.5 cent in the dollar. They are worth less and so the retirees and those saving to pay for retirement cop the bill because Abbott and Hockey have simply swapped a tax for a levy aiming to lower the franking credit. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/19/economy/retirees-will-pay-paid-parental-leave-scheme#ixzz2cNzxaN9I Tony’s Zeal Paid Parental Leave by @TheHoopla Launching the PPL yesterday Tony Abbott said: “I am a convert and that’s why I have a convert’s zeal. I’ve been on a journey on this. Ten years ago you would not have seen me announcing a policy like this.” http://thehoopla.com.au/tonys-zeal-paid-parental-leave/ Coalition’s paid parental leave: Good for high earners but what about the economy? by Georgina Dent women who this type of scheme will benefit most, those that are highly-educated and well-paid, already have a high attachment to the workforce, were more likely to have paid parental leave entitlements from their employer and were to continue working regardless. http://goo.gl/nvQszc Just how much better off will be working mums under Abbott's plan? by Peter Martin We rate this claim as Mostly False.Tony Abbott says mothers on average earnings will be $21,000 better off under the Coalition. He is comparing his paid parental leave policy which replaces actual wages (and super contributions) for six months with Labor’s which pays out only at the minimum wage, and only for three months. http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/19/tony-abbott/just-how-much-better-will-be-working- Joe Hockey exaggerates difference between Labor, Coalition record on debt by ABC Fact Check The verdict: He uses an inaccurate net figure for the Coalition's legacy and a gross debt projection that's three years away to describe Labor's legacy. By conflating net and gross figures and ignoring the Coalition's contribution to gross debt, Mr Hockey is making an exaggerated claim http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/joe-hockey-exaggerates-debt-figures/4897264 As a fact-checker, the facts are the story: by @MediActive @NoFibs Half-way through the second week of the 2013 federal election campaign, the ABC’s vaunted fact-checking unit finally went live – on-air and online. http://nofibs.com.au/2013/08/19/as-a-fact-checker-the-facts-are-the-story/ Tony Abbott's 'pretty face' remark: this language must now be a strategy by lenore Taylor very deliberate repeat reference suggests Coalition strategists have decided the "sex appeal" comment actually worked for them in the seat, where the Guardian Lonergan poll taken last Thursday showed Scott headed for a decisive victory over assistant treasurer David Bradbury with a thumping 60% of the primary vote. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/australian-election-2013-sydney What Will an Abbott Australia Look Like? by @prestontowers What we can look forward to, however, is the gaffes. The mistakes. The sexism. Avoidance of justifying policies and actions. Walking away from press conferences. Spectacularly poor decisions. All of those things we have seen and will continue to see under an Abbott Government. The cartoonists will love it. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/08/19/anabbottaustralia/ What should Rudd do now- by @LarvatusProdeo Labor third term apparently stalling overall or slipping slightly, but reports of individual seat polling indicate significant swings against Labor. This suggests perhaps swings to Labor in safe seats, but clearly the Rudd revival is in trouble. On the current Weekly Election 2013 Thread, John D @ 13 suggested that Rudd should put some space between Abbott and himself http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/08/what-should-rudd-do-now/ Australian Opposition Leader Tony Abbott suffers a bout of dangerous stupidity by @no_filter_Yamba A paper based accountability system is there for a reason – to protect the wellbeing and rights of older Australians living their final years in nursing home care. Tony Abbott’s slick promise to cut-the-red-tape, which he frequently throws into press conferences on all manner of subjects, is dangerously stupid. http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/australian-opposition-leader-tony.html Mythbusting the Vote by @crazyjane13 As for the notion that the Parliament was ‘held hostage’ – again, this is entirely down to a Coalition attempt to damage the Labor government. The idea there was to convince voters that Labor was somehow so beholden to the Greens that it would betray its own base just to hang onto power. http://consciencevote.com.au/2013/08/19/mythbusting-the-vote/ WTF! Tony Abbott is your BOSS Ms Scott, not your friend! by @YaThinkN tell me when it would be acceptable for the CEO of the corporation to introduce a new manager, at a media conference or something of similar importance, as a “Wonderful gal with great Sex Appeal”? Seriously? A male with that sort of attitude would never have made it to CEO nowadays. http://yathink.com.au/article-display/wtf-tony-abbott-is-your-boss-ms-scott-not-your-friend,88 Momentum by @Piping_Shrike the Coalition is itching to resume its cultural war and erase from memory the events of 2007 – 2009, just as Morrison tried claiming on Insiders yesterday that it was always consistent on asylum seeker policy, when of course it was not. If Labor is intent on forgetting what that period was about, the Coalition may just get away with it. http://www.pipingshrike.com/2013/08/momentum.html Greg Hunt's magnificent bluff by Tristan Edis The extraordinary thing about this is Hunt had the pluck to accuse the Climate Institute of needing to do some serious explaining when they had released quantitative modelling analysis with transparent detailed assumptions. Hunt, on the other hand, is actually running for office, but all he’s released is a flimsy brochure http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/19/policy-politics/greg-hunts-magnificent-bluff Election talk by Steve Henderson claimed hypocrisy on the part of George - George promised to email him the articles where he did criticise Labor for late submission of policy costings in 2007. I doubt he is making it up. Will Henderson retract in his weekly column? http://opiniondominion.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/election-talk.html We hear no evil: Why abusing journalists is futile by Lakshmi Chaudhry The irony is that trolling—which is the extreme exercise of free speech—has now become a strong justification for restricting speech. And no one wins when we become less free. The moral of this lesson: speak softly, and everyone listens, including that #@$%& paid journo. http://www.firstpost.com/living/we-hear-no-evil-why-abusing-journalists-is-futile-1043419.html Turnbull avoids Treasury costing question by @renailemay It’s not enough to say that the Treasury ‘could’ look at it if it wanted to — this is a formal process and one which Turnbull should engage in. As I wrote last week, if the Member for Wentworth believes in the veracity of his policy, what does he have to lose from Treasury taking a look at it? http://delimiter.com.au/2013/08/19/turnbull-avoids-treasury-costing-question/ You Spin Me Right ‘Round Baby by @sortius Turnbull was unprepared, combative, dismissive, & as always, arrogant to the point of making me physically ill. I don’t understand why you would agree to participate in something like this, yet treat every question as an offensive statement, & everyone asking said questions with utter disdain. http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3280#more-3280 NBN: Redefining Possible by by Ozfenric. But life and society will increasingly revolve around fast, ubiquitous, and always-on network connectivity. Labor’s NBN sets Australia up to be a part of this, and potentially to be a leading developer of the technologies that will shape the lives of the next generations http://theaimn.com/2013/08/19/nbn-redefining-possible/ Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 20 August 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

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20/08/2013I thought the "debate" on Q&A last night was far superior to the "Great Debate". Bowen did well and Hockey had little to offer. The loudest applause from the audience was certainly for Bowen. If the western Sydney voters are a barometer for the rest of Australia, I took heart from that audience.

bob macalba

20/08/2013But according to Michael Pascoe at Fairfax, 'Hockey won on points' WTF did he even watch it?

2353

20/08/2013As my Mother used to say when someone got something absolutely correct - "Give this man a peanut" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/official-says-key-stopping-asylum-seekers-end-conflict/4898284 [quote]A top Indonesian immigration official says the key to stopping asylum seekers and people smuggling is for countries to end conflict and persecution.[/quote]

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20/08/2013Watching the audience reaction is the way to measure the results. Restored my faith in people. All you need for democracy to work is to have the FACTS out and the people decide. Abbott just confuses and sloganeers. What is he hiding? That is the question we should all ask ourselves. Not those here. They have already sought the facts.

TalkTurkey

20/08/2013bob In PNG hills societies he who talks loudest shrillest fastest & longest becomes the Big-Man. On that basis Snotty Joe won hands down!

bob macalba

20/08/2013I watched it with my dad and he kept saying that Jones should invoke some sort of mercy rule as Sloppy was being bashed so hard by both Bowen and the audience, Bowen = 3 weeks in the job, knew mostly what he was talking about Sloppy =3 years+ in the job, full of poop, knew eff all, that michael pascoe over at Fairfax = tongue and knee sores recaptcha...others saltit [over salted i think]

Michael

20/08/2013I walked along Bondi Road in the electorate of Wentworth this morning, and had the 'pleasure' of walking past fifteen or so sandwich boards stretched over 100 metres that featured the oleaginous smirk of Malcolm Turnbull. I know it was Malcolm Turnbull because there were three words on each sandwich board. Malcolm. Turnbull. Wentworth. And not a single word to indicate that 'Malcolm Turnbull (of) Wentworth' has anything at all to do with the Liberal Party. Not the name of it. Not a slogan for it. Not an icon/logo that represents it. Nada. Nothing. Three words, a smirk... ...and he could have been pitching dental floss for all anyone who's never seen his face or heard his name before would know. Can you suggest why Malcolm Turnbull might not want to be associated with the political party he represents? Have fun.

lyn

20/08/2013Hi Ad, Sorry I am late saying thankyou to you for your once again magnificent article, you are simply the best. You know how much I admire your work, it is what brought me here 4 years or so ago. I have a lot of thoughts on the debate, too many to list here, most of my criticism is with the media and their astonishing reporting. I am in conflict with time again. “Today’s Links” have broken my record this morning., last night as I finished up there were still more informative articles coming in, impossible to list them all. Tony Abbott again repeats this morning “he has grown”. Julia was called a liar, Kevin Rudd is being called a liar “but he grows”, wonder how much he is going to grow. BTW it seems to me at that presser this morning Abbott sounded like he was trying to claim credit for the NDIS see here:- [quote]Abbott: NDIS should be a ‘product of parliament’ not party by AFR [/quote]The Coalition has supported the NDIS at every step of the way. When the productivity commmission inquiry was announced, we supported that.The NDIS in the mind of Mr Rudd is associated with his predecessor, that’s why I think it’s difficult for him to say much about this even though it justly and rightly has the support of the majority of the parliament.” http://www.afr.com/p/national/politics/abbott_ndis_should_be_product_of_NJLp5W4lvJlsCmATeAlutM Forget the polls, Kevin Rudd rouses the power of the people [quote]PM swamped in Brisbane [/quote] Fairfax radio's Francis Keany is on the hustings with Kevin Rudd. He reports on the PM's morning rally, and increasingly aggressive campaign. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/forget-the-polls-kevin-rudd-rouses-the-power-of-the-people-20130820-2s81t.html?r [quote]Murdoch backs Abbott on Twitter [/quote]Mr Murdoch tweeted to his 460,383 followers on Tuesday that conviction politicians are hard to find. "[quote]Australia's Tony Abbott rare exception. Opponent Rudd all over the place convincing nobody." [/quote]http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/18572304/murdoch-backs-abbott-on-twitter/?cmp=twitter [quote]Liberal candidate Kevin Baker's off-colour website closed down after links to pornography [/quote] KEVIN Baker's endorsement as the Liberal candidate for Charlton is in doubt with Tony Abbott claiming he would seek a brief on the allegations that he ran a lewd website. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/liberal-candidate-kevin-baker8217s-offcolour-website-closed-down-after-links-to-pornography/story-

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20/08/2013 CHANGE IN THE WIND. MY WIFE LAST NIGHT SAID MOST OF THE NEGATIVE TALK AT WORK WAS ABOUT ABBOTT AND HIS GAFFES AND SEXIST ATTITUDE...WOMEN WORRIED ABOUT THIS GUY, ALSO, RUDD AND PLIBERSEK'S CUT CUT CUT MESSAGE BREAKING THRU...WORKERS NERVOUS. THAT ALP AD HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. THE KENNETT GOLDEN AGE COMMENT BY ABBOTT WAS A STUFFUP...PLENTY OF THE TEACHERS AND OTHER STAFF ARE NOW TERRIFIED OF THE QLD LNP AND COALITION UNDER ABBOTT...THE IDEA OF HORRID PYNE WORKING TOGETHER WITH STATE EDUCATION MINISTERS TO CLOSE AND PRIVATISE SCHOOLS HAS PUT THE SCARES IN THEM. THIS KEVIN BAKER STUFF...AND THE ANTI-ABORTION STUFF IS CONFIRMING ABBOTT COALITION A BUNCH OF SEXIST, RELIGIOUS NUTBAGS LIKE THE AMERICAN TEA PARTY AND EVANGELICAL AMERICAN REPUBLICANS. BOWEN DID VERY WELL ON Q&A...HOCKEY IS A WEAK LINK. EXPOSED AS A BIG TIME BLOWHARD, DISTRACTOR AND BSer LAST NIGHT. MY WIFE WAS IMPRESSED WITH BOWEN, THE ESSENTIAL POLL SHOWS THE SHIFT. THE PUBLIC ARE FINALLY SEEING THE HIDDEN AGENDA BEHIND THE ABBOTT'S COALITION SMALL TARGET APPROACH. PLENTY REALISE THAT MURDOCH AND SOME OF THE CORPORATE POLLSTERS ARE TRYING TO MANIPULATE THEM...TRUST IN THE CORPORATE MEDIA HAS GONE, GUTLESS PYNE HAS BACKED OUT OF NATIONAL PRESS CLUB DEBATE. WHAT A DISASTER. N'

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20/08/2013 BTW, MY WIFE ALSO SAID THE ABBOTT PAID PARENTAL LEAVE SCHEME HAS NOT GONE DOWN WELL. IT COMES ACROSS AS A CONFUSING POLICY AND UNFUNDED. SHE AND OTHER WOMEN AT WORK THINK THAT IT WILL MEAN LOTS OF EMPLOYERS WILL BE MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT HIRING WOMEN...THE SIX MONTHS IS TOO LONG...AND THEY RECKON THE ENTIRE THING WILL EVENTUALLY BE DUMPED ON THE TAXPAYERS AS THE COMPANIES DUMP THEIR PPL SYSTEMS. ALSO, THEY RECKON THE AMOUNT IS TOO HIGH...MY WIFE SAID YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE SOME OF THESE SPOILT CITY YUPPIES HAVING BABIES AND THEN USING THEIR 50-70 GRAND FOR THE SIX MONTHS TO GO SHOPPING AND HAVING DAYS OF BEAUTY WHILST THE NANNY LOOKS AFTER THE BABY. AS A CHILDLESS WORKER SHE RESENTS HER MONEY BEING USED FOR THAT PURPOSE...SHE SEES IT AS ANOTHER FORM OF WELFARE FOR THE WELL-OFF. THE OLDER LADIES WE KNOW RECKON THEY DID WITHOUT IT...WHY SHOULD THE YOUNG PROFESSIONAL WOMEN SPOILT ALREADY GET WHAT THEY DIDN'T? SIX MONTHS IS A LONG TIME. N'

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20/08/2013 LOCAL PAPERS IMPORTANT FOR SOME IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND IF BEATTIE WANTS TO DO BETTER HE NEEDS TO GO TO SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, CHILD CARE CENTRES AND THE WEE MALLS HERE IN FORDE. HAS HE COME TO WATERFORD, WATERFORD WEST, MABEL PARK?

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20/08/2013Hi Lyn I’ve just finished your marvellous links – this morning must be close to a record for the number you have posted. It seems the Abbott PPL scheme is taking a battering from economists, journalists, and from some in his own party. He can hardly retreat as it’s his ‘signature policy’ and he has the ‘fervour of the convert’. So he’ll have to wear the criticism. Let’s see how resolute he is. Now he’s saying ‘there will be no cost to the States’. Squirming already! The comments on the polls are salutary – we are ‘ruled’ by their results, just as Murdoch would have it. You’ve once more given me lots of fodder for the next piece. Thank you. I though the ‘debate’ last night on Q&A was much superior to the Great Debate. Tony Jones seemed to have selected audience questions wisely, allowing much ground to be covered. Q&A is not ideal, but preferable to the other format where journalists created the questions. I thought that Chris Bowen performed well. He seemed well on top of his portfolio. As usual, Joe Hockey relied on loud shouting, bluster, and mouthing tired old mantras to get him through, avoiding the hard questions about costings. The audience did not warm to his avoidance. I thought Bowen out-debated and out-manoeuvred Hockey. I see Michael Pascoe gave Hockey a ‘points decision’, which was a close to giving him a tick as Pascoe dared.

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20/08/2013 MICHELLE GRATTAN MAKES ME LARF...SHE'S SUCH AN OBVIOUS LIBERAL PARTY HACK. NO INTEGRITY LEFT, I IMAGINE THIS WILL BE HER LAST ELECTION.

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20/08/2013 INTERESTING TO SEE SO MANY QUICK THINKING, HEALTHY LOOKING YOUNG WOMEN AT THE PRESS CLUB...RATHER THAN JUST BOOZED UP OLD MALE JOURNOS, YOU CAN USUALLY TELL THE MOODY BOOZERS BY THEIR RAVAGED FACES. N'

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20/08/2013 BILL SHORTEN IMPRESSIVE WHEN HE GETS GOING...PERSUASIVE. THE INVISIBLE PYNE LOOKS WORSE BY THE MOMENT. THIS SMALL TARGET APPROACH BY THE COALITION IS GONNA BACKFIRE.

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20/08/2013 SHORTEN STRONG ON SUPERANNUATION ISSUE. CONVINCING.

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20/08/2013 [b]Murdoch backs Abbott on Twitter[/b] Mr Murdoch tweeted to his 460,383 followers on Tuesday that [b]conviction politicians are hard to find.[/b] "[b]Australia's Tony Abbott rare exception[/b]. Opponent Rudd all over the place convincing nobody." LYN, BWA HA HA HA HA... THNX FOR PUTTING THAT UP...GOT ME LAUGHING SO HARD. ABBOTT A CONVICTION POLITICIAN EH?...THE ONLY FIRMLY HELD BELIEFS ABBOTT HAS IS HE IS GOD'S GIFT TO THIS COUNTRY...THE SUN SHINES OUT OF HIS ARSE...AND ANYONE WHO GETS IN HIS WAY SHOULD BE RAGED AT, DUMPED ON, RIDICULED...OR USE BRANDIS TO DOB ON...USES ALLIED MEDIA TO BULLY AND THREATEN AND CHARACTER ASSASSINATE, MURDOCH SHOULD HAND OVER NEWS CORPSE TO THE MAD MONK...HE HAS THE RIGHT DELUSIONAL, SPITEFUL, FEAR-MONGERING, FRIENDLESS CHARACTER FOR RUNNING THAT GROTESQUE AND SECRET SHOW. N'

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20/08/2013Hi Lyn I read you comment after posting mine. Thank you for your kind words. You have confirmed my inkling that today was a record for the number of links. There’s so much going on it’s hard to encompass it all. Your work is magnificent. With their policies looking shaky – PPL, NBN-Lite and DAP, and criticisms beginning to mount over the lack of policy costings, there are many questions Abbott, Hockey and Co. have to address. They seriously believe they can get away with holding off until near the end, no doubt hoping for support for this from the Murdoch media. I sense an increasing impatience among the thinking public. We saw that in Q&A last night. Thank you for the additional links. Now Abbott has to fend off criticisms about one of his candidates, Kevin Baker in Charlton, running a pornographic site. Let’s see how Abbott the hollow man handles that. We are shortly getting on the road for Melbourne. I’ll be back this evening.

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20/08/2013 LYN, A GOODIE FROM VIC ROLLISON: It seems that the Liberal Party and their supporters have abandoned any semblance of civilised discussion, and are instead invoking the ‘bullshit my way through this’ technique whenever they are questioned. We’ve seen this method used regularly by Shadow Treasurer, Joe Hockey, when talking down the government’s economic credibility. An example of this is Hockey saying that the Australian economy is ‘flat-lining’. When asked about the use of the words ‘flat-lining’ by Barrie Cassidy on Insiders, Hockey blustered his way through a very odd explanation of how below-trend growth could possibly be called ‘flat-lining’. Cassidy, to his credit, did call Hockey out on his blatant mistruth, and also pointed out that Abbott too had been dishonest about the Australian economy by saying that it wasn’t growing. But Hockey and Abbott couldn’t care less that what they say is in complete denial of facts. The Australian economy has, as Cassidy pointed out, been growing continuously for 21 years. Not flat-lining at all. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/living-on-bullshit-mountain/ THNX FOR THE GREAT LINKS LYN... THE COALITION ARE INDEED LIVING ON BULLSHIT MOUNTAIN... THEY THINK THEY CAN SHOVEL THE BS AT THE VOTERS...AND THE STINK WON'T BECOME APPARENT. THE BS HAS BECOME OBVIOUS. N'

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20/08/2013 WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO WATCH THE SKY NEWS DEBATE... ALREADY SKY NEWS IS USING IT TO PROMOTE MURDOCH'S GOLDEN BOY SPEERS...AND THEIR RANCID COURIER MAIL. THE ENTIRE THING WILL BE RIGGED TO BENEFIT ABBOTT. WASTE OF TIME. ABBOTT IS TOO GUTLESS TO GET INVOLVED IN A REAL DEBATE. FOR A PUGILIST HE SURE LIKES HIS MATCHES RIGGED...OR OUT OF SIGHT OF MOST VOTERS. N'

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20/08/2013[quote]"HAS HE COME TO WATERFORD, WATERFORD WEST, MABEL PARK?"[/quote] NAS' PETER BEATTIE HAS BEEN TO WATERFORD PLAZA AND HAS HAD A MOBILE OFFICE AT WATERFORD WEST. MABEL PARK IS IN THE RANKIN ELECTORATE I THINK. https://twitter.com/SmartState1/status/366807204038320129 https://twitter.com/SmartState1/status/368591303199571968 https://twitter.com/SmartState1/status/368220857627205634 ON THE SCHOOLS, MR LANGBROEK HAS PROBABLY EXTENDED THE BAN ON PETER GARRETT VISITING QLD SCHOOLS TO ALL LABOR POLLIES ;-)

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20/08/2013 BACCHUS, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. I FIND THIS DISTURBING...YET ANOTHER LIBERAL CANDIDATE WHO HAS WORKED FOR BOTH THE ABC AND MURDOCH'S EMPIRE: [b]Sarah Henderson[/b] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sarah Henderson is a former Australian broadcast journalist best known for her work on the ABC’s The 7.30 Report and for her consumer advocacy on The Investigators. Henderson was born in Geelong and [b]educated at Sacred Heart College[/b] before moving to The Geelong College where she graduated in 1981. In 1982, Henderson became a cadet reporter with Channel 7 in Melbourne. She went on to work with Channel 9 in Brisbane and then Channel 10 in Melbourne where she presented the weekend news with Alister Paterson and then moved to ABC-TV where she worked as a presenter of the consumer advocacy program The Investigators. Her media career included working as a presenter of the ABC’s Holiday program (1992-1993), Australia's Most Wanted in 1994 and the Victorian presenter of The 7.30 Report in 1995. [b]When The 7.30 Report became a national program in 1996, [/b] she continued working as the program’s law correspondent and was also awarded a Walkley Award for her coverage of the Port Arthur massacre. In 1998, she obtained a Bachelor of Laws degree from Monash University and moved to a career in the law with the Melbourne firm Arthur Robinson & Hedderwicks. [b]She worked as an attorney for News Corporation and was a weekly columnist with the Herald Sun newspaper from 2002 to 2004. [/b] At the same time she established the Kudos Management Group which led to business management roles with Network Ten and National Indigenous TV. [b]In 2009, Henderson became the Liberal Party candidate for the federal seat of Corangamite[/b], but narrowly lost to the ALP incumbent Darren Cheeseman via the latter receiving preference votes from the Greens. [b]In 2012 Henderson was preselected again as the Liberal Party's candidate for Corangamite at the next Federal Election following months of campaigning. Corangamite is the most marginal division in Australia.[/b] MURDOCH IS LIKE AN ALIEN VIRUS THAT FELL TO EARTH TO TRANSFORM HUMANITY. IT INFECTS...TRANSFORMS...AND FEW ARE IMMUNE. SOME OF THOSE IMMUNE ARE NOW 'THE GUARDIANS'. N'

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20/08/2013NAS' @1.44PM & 1.55PM, LOL. WELL SAID MY FRIEND. GOOD TO SEE THE BEAR. Lyn, the links! the links! It'll take a month of Sundays to read them all. I don't know how you do it. You're a wonder. Will be reading late into the night. Just to make Sloppy & the Liars look even more mendacious & stupid wrt their PPL scheme, the link below provides a table of the extra tax just a few companies will have to pay to fund Liealot's Women of Calibre [strike]vote buying bribe[/strike] PPL. Any of the current crop of "cost of living" whingers will REALLY have something to whinge about if they give the Liars the nod and their cost of EVERYTHING heads north after all 3,000 companies pass on the Liars tax hike to fund his thought bubble. If anyone votes Liars 1 after reading that little lot, they deserve everything they get. If only they were the only ones to cop the real cost of a Liars government. http://wixxyleaks.com/2013/08/20/losers-and-winners-tonys-parental-leave-and-our-cost-of-living/

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20/08/2013 THIS WAS SENT TO US BY ONE OF STACEY'S FAMILY...APPARENTLY IT'S DOING THE ROUNDS THIS ELECTION: Forwarded Message ----- From: Subject: Fwd: : Can a good Muslim be a good Australian? I have often wondered why Muslims never speak out against atrocities, when they are committed by jihadists around the World, perhaps the answer is found in the story below. This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our Australian Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good Australian? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply: Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia . Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran) Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran. Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews . Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , (the great Satan) , Australia and the rest of the free world. Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ) Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Australians. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ..... Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. THE AUSSIE DIGGERS WANT THIS TO ROLL OUT ALL OVER AUSTRALIA . Please don't delete this until you send it on. . .---------- I THINK YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHAT A COALITION GOVT WILL BE FOCUSING ON AS A DOG WHISTLE AND DISTRACTION IF ABBOTT WINS... YOU'D THINK THIS CAME FROM THE LIKES OF BERNARDI...BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOME HIDDEN RIGHT-WING NUTJOB SPAMMER WHO IS DOING THE DIRTY WORK FOR THE MASTERS OF FEAR. N'

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20/08/2013 OUR FOOD DELIVERY GUY SAID HE WAS CONTACTED BY NEWSPOLL...WHEN ASKED ON THE PHONE WHO HE THOUGHT WOULD WIN THE ELECTION HE REPLIED "LABOR" AND THE NEWS POLLER IMMEDIATELY WENT "REALLY?" THE SAME HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHO WOULD MAKE THE BETTER PM AND HE REPLIED "RUDD"...."REALLY?" QUERIED THE POLLSTER. THE DELIVERY GUY SAID HE TOLD THE POLLSTER HE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. HE SAID TO ME THAT BY SAYING "REALLY?" THE POLLSTER WAS TRYING TO PUT DOUBTS IN HIS MIND SO HE MIGHT CHANGE HIS OPINION. DISGRACEFUL! SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. N'

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20/08/2013 LET ME TELL YOU WHY I WAS SO OFFENDED BY THAT EMAIL ABOVE RELATED TO MUSLIMS... MY GRANDFATHER WAS STATIONED IN INDIA DURING THE WAR AND MADE FRIENDS WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE HINDUS, MUSLIMS AND SIKHS...ALL GOOD PEOPLE HE SAID. ONE OF MY HEATHCARE PROFESSIONALS IS A MUSLIM LADY FROM SOUTH AFRICA...A KINDER, MORE COMPASSIONATE LOVER OF THIS COUNTRY YOU COULD NOT FIND. THIS TARRING EVERY MUSLIM WITH THE SAME BRUSH IS SICKENING... AND IT REMINDS ME OF THE KIND OF PROPAGANDA PASSED AROUND ABOUT THE JEWS BEFORE KRISTALLNACHT AND THE HOLOCAUST. FRIGHTENING. GROTESQUE. I SEE IT AS VILIFICATION. A CAMPAIGN OF HATE. I'M SURE THAT SOME DIGGERS WHO WORKED WITH BRAVE AND DECENT MUSLIMS WOULD FIND IT DISGRACEFUL...AND WORRYING THERE NAME HAS BEEN PUT TO THIS HORRID EMAIL. N'

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20/08/2013 Should be: I'M SURE THAT SOME DIGGERS WHO WORKED WITH BRAVE AND DECENT MUSLIMS IN AFGHANISTAN WOULD FIND IT DISGRACEFUL...AND WORRYING THEIR NAME HAS BEEN PUT TO THIS HORRID EMAIL.

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20/08/2013 COOL, ONE OF MY FAVE ALPers IS ON ABC 24...GREG COMBET.

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20/08/2013 JANE, ISN'T PETER WICKS BRILL? [b]For those who have been critical of both Party’s for being too similar, Sunday was a great day to show the real differences between the two parties. Kevin Rudd was out giving money to a public hospital in Western Sydney.[/b] [b]Tony Abbott was announcing a tax hike for companies like Coles and Woolworths which we will end up paying for so that rich women can have time off to have babies and get paid from the extra we will all no doubt pay for bread, milk, and groceries.[/b] [b]Quite a stark difference indeed[/b]. INDEED. N'

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20/08/2013Hi Jane, Thankyou you are a sweetie. There is some top reading there I can assure you and it does take time. I do pay particular attention when choosing the excerpts in an effort to inform you all of the important parts or the gist of the article, maybe just reading those will be of help to you. Nasking thankyou to you too, hey glad you got a laugh out of the Murdoch tweet praising Abbott.

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20/08/2013 THAT PAID PARENTAL LEAVE SCHEME IS A DEBACLE...IT WILL BE TRASHED I RECKON. CHERYL KERNOT POINTED OUT A LOT OF FLAWS ON [i]THE DRUM[/i] AND MY WIFE AGREED WITH HER WHOLEHEARTEDLY. [b]I RECKON THE WHEELS ARE FALLING OF THE ABBOTT/HOCKEY CAMPAIGN...ALL IT TAKES IS THE MOST MINIMAL SCRUTINY AND YOU SEE THE REAL DECEIT AND THOUGHT BUBBLES THAT FUEL THE COALITION CAMPAIGN.[/b] IF WE HAD AN MSM THAT WAS WILLING TO SCRUTINISE THE COALITION THE WAY THEY HAVE THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS I DON'T THINK ABBOTT AND MANY OF HIS POLICIES WOULD PASS MUSTER. SIGH. N'

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20/08/2013nasking You are right. If there were proper Fourth Estate scrutiny, the Abbott campaign would soon fall apart.

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20/08/2013The book says "judge the tree by the fruit it bears". This seems to make some religions some schools some organisations some people, not very worthy or nice. You can also judge behaviour by the money trail. The One who pays the Piper calls the Tune. Who backs the LieNP? make a list but I will give you a clue. They all have power and influence but will never have enough of it. Under them the gap between rich and poor grows (and grows and grows) OK who backs the Labor Mob. Well what's left of the Unions, Lefties who care about mankind and the planet and a fair go for all, who think there is more to living than money and the economy. There are actually PEOPLE out there, living and breathing and hurting and caring for their kids and friends, and the future of the world. I have never been so sure of this situation as I am NOW. Thank you Phoney for you have made something very clear to me. NOW I know what is really going on. Before this I only felt that it must be true. There had to be an explanation of why wars and bad things happened.

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20/08/2013here I was looking forward to the peoples forum debate for Wednesday. Big mistake. Rudd and Abbott, on pay TV, Sky, with a selected audience of 100 hosted by Skys David Speers {The one blocking Independent Australias admission to the Press Gallery}. Can't wait.. to avoid it ! Abbotts calling all the Tunes and Rudds falling in line. Rudd should call a debate on ABC, open audience, truly independant host, and wait for Abbott to turn up. If necessary, debate a vacant podium if Abbots too gutless to turn up. Avoid pay TV. Kevin, start calling the tune

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20/08/2013 I ASKED STACEY WHAT SHE THOUGHT OF ABBOTT'S [i]DIRECT ACTION[/i] PLAN TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE... SHE CHUCKLED AND REPLIED: [quote]IT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING A RELIGIOUS SCOUT MASTER WOULD COME WITH AS AN ACTIVITY TO GET HIS ARMY OF BOYS OUT THERE TO KEEP OCCUPIED AND DISTRACTED...HELP THEM TO EARN THEIR BADGES. [/quote] [b]BADGES: GREEN ARMY TREE PLANTING ANYWHERE BADGE PLANTING TREES AROUND GREAT BIG MINING CRATERS BADGE ORIENTEERING THROUGH GREAT BIG MINING CRATERS BADGE CARBON CAPTURE IN SOIL WHILST SHOOTING BATS BADGE EDUCATING JAYMES DIAZ AND TOM ZORICK BADGE REVEGETATING MAD MONK'S SKULL BADGE DELIVERING MONEY TO POLLUTERS BADGE CAPTURING JOE HOCKEY METHANE AND SULPHUR EMISSIONS BADGE [/b] N'

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20/08/2013 LINDSAY LIBERAL CANDIDATE JUST FREAKED OUT IN DEBATE: [quote]JUST KEEP TALKING DAVID...THAT'S ALL YOU'VE DONE ALL NIGHT[/quote]!!! SHE SCREECHED WHEN PUT UNDER PRESSURE BY DAVID BRADBURY. THEN THE OBNOXIOUS RIGHT-WINGERS IN THE CROWD STARTED YELLING AT BRADBURY. WHEELS FALLING OFF ABBOTT CAMPAIGN...PRESSURE SHOWING.

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20/08/2013 DAVID BRADBURY EFFECTIVELY GOT STUCK INTO THE PAID PARENTAL LEAVE...AND MADE A BEAUT HEARTFELT CONCLUDING SPEECH. FIONA SCOTT'S SPEECH WAS SACCHARINE...FAIRY FLOSS.

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20/08/2013nasking Have tried to find FIONA SCOTT'S SPEECH on youtube, no luck though With LNP candidates stuffing up, everywhere I found this interesting At the weekend, there were reports that the Liberal Party had banned candidates from speaking at events in multicultural communities, in the wake of Mr Diaz's gaffe. This came as Mr Diaz was an apparent ''no show'' during a radio debate with his Labor rival in Greenway, Michelle Rowland, on Fairfax Radio in Sydney. Alice Workman, a producer at 2UE posted on Twitter: ''Labor candidate for Greenway @MRowlandMP coming up ... but despite 2 weeks notice her Liberal rival Jaymes Diaz is a no show ...'' Mr Rudd accused Mr Abbott of trying to turn himself into a "tiny target" to avoid scrutiny during the campaign. "Right now they’ve got a guy wrapping himself into a tiny ball, refusing to have public debates on free-to-air television … wrapping his candidates in cotton wool so they don't come out and say anything about what they really think and what they really feel," he said in northern NSW. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/not-just-a-pretty-face-tony-abbott-steps-in-to-avert-youtube-moment-20130819-2s6d3.html#ixzz2cVITLF00

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20/08/2013Nasking Here is a typical tweet about Israel. [i]LJ ✨ ‏@LRJarrar 6m I am so heart broken, so worried, so angry that Israeli soldiers yet again get to murder as they please in the West Bank. #IDF #Israel[/i] Your running and hiding from replying to my challenge will not save you from my pursuing you as I said I would. Did you think I wouldn't notice? A Nasking-free couple of days, as though you didn't read it, then back to a deluge of mainly copied stuff which few if any try to read in all its overwhelming volume - Well are you both bully [i]and[/i] coward? A deluge of bullshit to cover your cowardice ? You have not heard the last of this from me. The longer you take to defend your "big support" of the world's most criminal regime, and your attack on me as anti-Semitic, and your description of me as a bully, the longer it will be before I desist from my counter-attack on your own character. I told you, and I meant it, that I am prepared to get much more unpleasant if you fail comprehensively to defend your hateful attitude to Palestinians. Just as no amount of good works can ever make up for a single act of deliberate murder, so your writings do not compensate for your words to me. You are not forgiven. Put up an answer you bully and coward, not just a whinge about the injustice of the world to you personally.

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21/08/2013One wonders, when a middle ager man, keeps telling us he has grown. One must ask, why did he take so long. Why does he feel, he has to keep telling us so. Then we Abbott, Pyne and Hockey, keep saying, they are making adult decisions. What else would one expect from grown men. One wonders what their private polls and focus groups are telling them. Abbott has added a new word to his vocabulary and is repeating if many times when he uses it. Yes, Abbott is now telling us, he is a builder, builder builder. He seems to be reverting back, to his up an up and other words. Pity, he could not also add structural deficit, understand what it means, and tell us what he is going to do about it. What do we have instead. Yes, he is adding to that deficit, by restoring ALL the rebates and benefits, of the upper/middle income earners, that Gillard clawed back. Yes, ensuring the structural deficit remains. To rub salt into the would, he is cutting the tax base, by rescinding the MRRT, Carbon tax and removing the regulations that ensure those who claimed FBT on cars did indeed use them at work. At the same time, he is delaying Labors reform to super, that leads them having less at retirement. We have the grandiose PPL, which will be funded by a new levy, leading to self funded retirees losing up to 1.7 Billion. Mathias Cormonn has confirmed will happen. That along with taking away benefits, such as the School Kids Bonus which assist low income parents, for the life of their childhood. I cannot fathom, the economics of Abbott. It seems to be, take from the poor, give to the rich, regardless of what is wrong with the budget. Yes, I do believe that Abbott is yesterday's man. That is the only explanation I can give for his actions.

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21/08/2013The mere hint of growing the dreaded weed and they do this! http://www.salon.com/2013/08/20/massive_swat_team_raid_destroys_organic_farm_partner/?source=newsletter But [i]hundreds of thousands [/i]of Americans are in gaol [i]for long terms[/i] for nothing more than personal-use possession. And the Good Ol' Yew Ess of Ayy, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, has since the 1930's enforced every other nation to ban cannabis. And I just found this 10:02pm http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/12558259/marijuana-doesnt-harm-lung-function-study-found . I haven't yet read the linked article but I've read before that marijuana smokers as a subgroup are alleged to have marginally [i]improved[/i] lung function as compared to non-users. This is said to be due to the smokers' universal technique of smoking it, [i]toking[/i] be its name, which involves inhaling deeply and holding one's breath. So I'll link it first and read it afterwards, see if my received notion is correct. I've never thought smoke of any kind could be good for you though. These days the very cool but expensive option is to invest in a vaporiser which produces only vapours and no smoke whatsoever. People who do this style themselves Vapers. :)

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21/08/2013Yes well (having read it) that was about right what I believed too. With another reason or so thrown in. I'll bet any medical educator would be interested in that! Gee you know I feel that I'm [i]still[/i] almost alone on the whole bloody Fighting 5th Estate in fighting on two fronts involving enormous injustice - the Cannabis laws, and the fascist Israeli occupation of Palestine. Is everybody [i]cowed?[/i] Just too [i]timid?[/i] I'm sort of sick of being almost the only one to raise a voice about these two huge issues. Yes it's scary to speak out but is everybody so gutless they won't even whisper here about it? Just to criticise Jews' attitude is to attract instant abuse from supporters of the Israelis who learnt their tactics from Hitler himself. [i](WHHOOooowooohhhhhh![/i] gasps from readers eh! And you know [i]why[/i] you just gasped like that Dear Reader? Because you just KNOW I'll be called That Name again ... (OOOHHH How dare anybody say anything against Jews, Jews are the VICTIMS remember! ) Well I reckon It's Time some of you timid souls had the guts. It seems highly probable that Bob Marley was a victim of CIA skulduggery because of his outspokenness. I saw him in Adelaide, just months before his death. Listen to da rastaman before they got him. (Lyrics underneath the picture). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMlHdxiIZ8 Screw Fascists I hate them. They're not [i]Tories[/i] Mr Albanese, what a psweak term, like some sort of cuddly toys! Murdoch and Israel and US Foreign Policy Government are fascistic and that is not to say cuddly, what they are is murderous.

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21/08/2013Today’s Links Is This The Most Dangerous Woman In Australia? by @MikeSeccombe So Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has decreed that the Liberal Party will put the Greens’ candidate last in each and every House of Representatives seat, allegedly because the Greens’ policies are too extreme. http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/is-this-the-most-dangerous-woman-in-australia/684/ Checking the facts and no fibs by @LarvatusProdeo The first purpose of this post is to let people know where the ABC’s fact checking site is. I had to scout around to find it. One would expect it on their election site, but in fact it’s in the news silo, as is the election site. While we are at it here’s all four fact checkers: http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/08/checking-the-facts-and-no-fibs/ The Tony Abbott survival guide by @lukeayresryan 2. Actual scrutiny of Tony Abbott and his cobbled together coven of political has-beens, half-wits and heartless monsters. I'm looking at you, Scott Morrison. But just think: he'll have nobody to call to account except himself. He'll have to answer questions about his own actions and won't have any red-haired harpies to cast the blame on. http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/the-tony-abbott-survival-guide-20130820-264463/ Election 2013- Day 16 (or, Frankly my dear, I don’t think they giver a damn) by Greg Jericho The Liberal Party, who so loudly and boldly defend self-funded retirees, is now getting them to help pay for a paid parental leave scheme which they won’t get any possible benefit from and which is also a dud of a scheme because it won’t deliver the productivity benefits Abbott and Hockey claim it will. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ The challenge of budget honesty by @ALeighMP The problem for the Liberals is that they have spent the past three years saying ‘no’ to Labor’s sensible savings measures. As a result, they are now in the position of promising to spend more, tax less, and pay down debt faster; oblivious to the fact that it isn’t mathematically possible to achieve all three. http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15370 Reading the economic theories of Rudd and Abbott by @JohnQuiggin2 To win the election Rudd needs to move beyond attacks on the specifics of Abbott’s policies (or the lack thereof). He must explain why the Keynesian and social democratic policies he espoused and implemented in his first term as PM are the right way forward for Australia, and why the Howard government policies of consistent surpluses, regardless of economic conditions http://johnquiggin.com/2013/08/20/reading-the-economic-theories-of-rudd-and-abbott/ Koukoulas: is the dollar back on the rise? by @TheKouk If the US dollar does strengthen, as some suggest, the Australian dollar rise will of course be contained. Perhaps the best way to judge the Australian dollar outlook is to benchmark it against the trade weighted index, which is poised to lift a decent 10% or so in the next six to 18 months. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/20/koukoulas-is-the-dollar-back-on-the-rise/ Why Labor Really Worries About Coalition Cuts by @newmatilda Presumably the only reason Labor is not talking about the full extent of the cuts that would occur under an Abbott-led Coalition is that to raise the issue, they would have to show how we need tax increases to sustain an economically responsible level of public services – the truth we know but dare not utter. https://newmatilda.com/2013/08/20/why-labor-really-worries-about-coalition-cuts The dangerous rhetoric of ‘debt’ and ‘deficit’ by @fakeedbutler @AusVotes2013 But decades of rhetoric – primarily from the ‘responsible economic managers’ the Liberal party have made taxes ‘toxic’ and ‘debt’ a shorthand for competency. Today, we face a threat all of our own making. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/08/20/the-dangerous-rhetoric-of-debt-and-deficit/ 21 reasons candidates ignore media requests by @NoFibs why would the sitting member, the Liberal Party’s Bert van Manen, and two ostensibly keen candidates, Palmer United’s Blair Brewster and Rise Up Australia’s Jonathan Jennings, ignore an opportunity to speak directly to voters? http://nofibs.com.au/2013/08/20/21-reasons-candidates-ignore-media-requests/ Abbott’s parental leave universally condemned by @macro_business Surprisingly, it is the Murdoch papers, which have previously been biased towards the Coalition, that are most scathing, with The Australian newspaper launching a stinging attack on multiple fronts: Even the Daily Telegraph, which earlier in the month produced a front page encouraging voters to kick the Labor Government from power, describes Abbott’s paid parental leave http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/abbotts-parental-leave-universally-condemned/ Coalition to fund parental leave scheme by not paying investors tax credits by Lenore Taylor The costings show that the Coalition's decision not to allow shareholders to claim franking credits, which reduce their income tax bill, on the 1.5% levy reduces the cost of the scheme to the government by $3.2bn over the first four years. The saving amounts to about $1.6bn per year once the scheme is fully up and running. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/coalition-paid-parental-leave-tax-credits?CMP=twt_gu Is There A Genuine Reporter Left In The ABC- by @archiearchive I knew about this about three hours before the ABC first reported it. I blogged it around two hours before it appeared on the ABC Online News. The SMH had not reported it at the time I posted http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/is-there-a-genuine-reporter-left-in-the-abc/ Men’s attitude to Gillard vs their attitude to Rudd @terrimbutler We can’t really know whether the difference, between men and women’s preferences, was about Ms Gillard herself, or about women generally. It would be possible to get more insight into the conscious drivers of preference, and any overt sexism, through more detailed questions http://terrimbutler.com/ Does Yesterday’s Man, And His Team, Have Answers For Tomorrow’s Problems? by Fed Up, @MigloMT Mr. Abbott, there seems to be only one reason to dismantle the NBNCo. at this stage. That is your ideology, and hatred of anything Gillard. All evidence indicates that NBNCo. in the long run will deliver the best available, at the cheapest cost. Yes, sometimes it is prudent to take the long time view. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/does-yesterdays-man-and-his-team-have-answers-for-tomorrows-problems/ John Lord’s Election Diary Update No. 10 by @saint13333 Some of the polls have margins that are simply not believable. No one questions the veracity of them. As long as they deliver a story who cares.They seem bizarre. 252 people in Dobell and 253 people in Robertson, rung on landlines, out of 170,000 voters all up show that,000 of them have changed their minds and now think Abbott a better PM than Rudd.http://theaimn.com/2013/08/20/john-lords-election-diary-update-no-10/ Abbott to give Aunty a haircut by @ConversationEDU Ah yes, all so very, very entertaining. There’s certainly one person who will be laughing all the way to the bank about this – and that’s Rupert Murdoch. He and his supporters have been lobbying long and hard to kill off any online competition from Australia’s public broadcasters. http://theconversation.com/abbott-to-give-aunty-a-haircut-17265 101 uses for Tony Abbott’s Green Army by Staff Reporters So far, the Coalition has suggested that it will be deployed to pick up litter, plant trees (real ones according to Diaz), and to build things like boardwalks in mangrove swamps. ”The Green Army will march to the rescue of our degraded land and polluted waterways,” Tony Abbott said (with a straight face) at its re-launch in July. - http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/101-uses-for-tony-abbotts-green-army-15095 The Coalition’s climate change policy: it's the public, not polluters, who pay by Lisa Caripis Having spent time analysing the parties’ climate change policies for the University of Melbourne’s Election Watch, I’m disappointed that yet another speech by Greg Hunt, the shadow minister for climate action, failed to answer key questions about the Coalition’s climate policy. As it stands, the Direct Action Plan falls short as a policy model for climate action: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/20/coalition-climate-change-direct-action Lib candidate can't explain Direct Action - but he's not alone by Tristan Edis I suspect that if a TV or radio journalist was clever enough to ask Tony Abbott how Direct Action worked and then followed it up with just two extra probing questions, they’d have Abbott sounding pretty similar to Tom Zorich. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/20/policy-politics/lib-candidate-cant-explain-direct-action-hes-not-alone#ixzz2cUfUHbMO It's not about us, it's about him by @MeddlesomPriest Out back of the Colo Heights hall, locals are gathered waiting for Abbott to speak. It's an Ugg Boot affair and not all are happy to see him. It's not about us, it's about him," complains one when Abbott appears surrounded by a phalanx of camera men pushing their way through the crowd. http://meddlesompriest.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/its-not-about-us-its-about-him.html Murdoch Media Mission Accomplished (bar the election) by Uther’s Say It took an unrelenting News Limited orchestrated media campaign of three years to defeat Julia Gillard. It would appear that if the polls, gloating and proclamations of the news limited chorus are to be believed it has taken them weeks to destroy Kevin Rudd who they campaigned for three years to install as PM. http://utherssay.com/2013/08/19/murdoch-media-mission-accomplished-bar-the-election/ Bias in the Canberra Press Gallery by @btckr Allegations of anti federal Labor government bias in the Canberra Press Gallery are not new. I am not aware of any statistical analysis that would support or disprove these claims. Anyone’s impression of bias relies on casual observance, personal bias and a lack of carefully compiled evidence. http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/bias-in-the-canberra-press-gallery/ Never let the facts interfere by @btckr This Liberal Opposition is the most mendacious and hypocritical that I have experienced during and since my career in journalism. Its key members are experts in negative campaigning and the art of projection: accusing others of doing what you have been doing. http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/never-let-the-facts-interfere/ Sex Appeal in Politics by @TeamOyeniyi I have this to say. Fiona, if you want to listen to Tony rave about your sex appeal, do it privately. DO NOT be the woman that says it is OK to encourage sexual stuff in the workplace. http://teamoyeniyi.com/2013/08/20/sex-appeal-in-politics/ Higgeldy Piggledy, Ruddeldy Puddledy, A Dream, Frauds, The Rat, And Leaps by @knarfnamduh Each day brings forth another poll showing the SHOCK, HORROR OUTCOME that Kevin Rudd’s popularity has fallen 1 percentage point, whilst Tony Abbotts popularity has risen by 1 percentage point in a poll with a statistical error on it of +/- 3 percentage points. http://deknarf.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/graphical-manipulations-48-higgeldy-piggledy-ruddeldy-puddledy-a-dream-frauds-the-rat-and-leaps/ Half true”: Politifact partially backs Turnbull’s $94bn NBN figure by @renailemay The Coalition has been making the $94 billion claim for around the past six months and especially since the launch of its own National Broadband Network policy in April, arguing that the fundamental assumptions underpinning Labor’s NBN costings are inaccurate and that the network is likely to cost much more to build than the $44.1 billion Labor estimates. http://delimiter.com.au/2013/08/20/half-true-politifact-partially-backs-turnbulls-94bn-nbn-figure/ Rudd, Abbott, Palmer And Katter Took Part In A Punk Rock Clip by Junkie A new clip by Canberra band Super Best Friends illustrating the fact appeared online overnight, and is simultaneously the dorkiest and coolest thing you will be treated to this election. http://junkee.com/rudd-abbott-palmer-and-katter-took-part-in-a-punk-rock-clip/17640 Election review: Down and dirty with Kevin Baker by @TheTunnelBris, Satire Mr Abbott has now admitted that it was wrong to judge a male candidate by his appearance. From now on, I will only judge female candidates by their appearance. With men, it is probably safest not to make any judgements at all.” http://www.thetunnelpresents.com/liberal-party-lose-nsw-sex-appeal-candidate/ Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 21 August 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

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21/08/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

nasking

21/08/2013 HOW TRULY PATHETIC...THE KOWTOWERS ABBOTT AND NEWMAN GIVING MILLIONS TO HELP OUT THE BRONCOS... THE BRONCOS OWNED BY THE MEGA-RICH MURDOCH EMPIRE. SHAME! THEY ARE CUTTING IN QLD VALUABLE JOBS...ABBOTT IS PROMISING TO CUT 12,000 IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE... YET THEY CAN AFFORD TO HELP OUT THE MEGA-RICH MURDOCH EMPIRE. THEY DISGUST ME.

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21/08/2013 Minister moves to boost Qld school discipline By Maria Hatzakis Updated Tue 20 Aug 2013, 4:49pm AEST MAP: Brisbane 4000 Queensland Education Minister John-Paul Langbroek has introduced a bill to strengthen discipline in state schools. He says the legislation will give principals the power to develop a greater range of disciplinary strategies. Mr Langbroek told parliament, the bill also removes restrictions on time limits for detention and provides more grounds for suspension and expulsion. "The bill strengthens discipline in Queensland state schools in three ways," he said. "By providing principals with stronger disciplinary powers and more flexibility and autonomy around the making of discipline decisions, bolstering the grounds for suspension and exclusion and, thirdly, reducing administrative burdens to enable firm and timely responses to problem behaviour." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/minister-moves-to-boost-qld-school-discipline/4900350 WHAT ABOUT YOUR LNP PARTY DISCIPLINE MR. LANGBROEK? HOW ABOUT LNPers DOING THE WRONG THING AND BEING PAID HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WHILST ON LEAVE? WHY ARE YOU STANDING THERE BEHIND YOUR LEADER NEWMAN GIVING TAXPAYERS' VALUABLE MONEY TO A CRIMINAL MEDIA EMPIRE THAT HAS SHOWN LITTLE DISCIPLINE IN ITS PURSUIT OF PROFIT AND POWER. GREAT EXAMPLE FOR THE YOUTH. A MEDIA EMPIRE THAT PRODUCES ANIMATED SHOWS THAT HAS HAD A HUGE DELITARIOUS EFFECT ON CHILDREN...UNDERMINING DISCIPLINE. N'

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21/08/2013 [b]WHY ARE YOU STANDING THERE BEHIND YOUR LEADER NEWMAN MR. LANGBROEK GIVING TAXPAYERS' VALUABLE MONEY TO A CRIMINAL MEDIA EMPIRE THAT HAS SHOWN LITTLE DISCIPLINE IN ITS PURSUIT OF PROFIT AND POWER?[/b]

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21/08/2013 THE ABC 24 POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT PLAYING APOLOGIST FOR ABBOTT...SAYING "ONLY GIVING FIVE MILLION". TYPICAL. FIVE MILLION MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLE BEING SHOVED OUT OF THEIR JOBS. THAT WOULD KEEP ABOUT 90 PUBLIC SERVANTS GOING ANOTHER YEAR. MURDOCH DOESN'T NEED IT. SICK OF THE DAMN ABC...THIS MORNING THEY BROUGHT ON A NEWS LTD HACK TO PROMOTE THE LATEST ASYLUM SEEKER SCARE CAMPAIGN IN [b]THE AUSTRALIAN.[/b] [b]THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER AND OUR POLITICIANS ARE BEING USED BY THE MURDOCH EMPIRE AS SPRUIKERS, ENABLERS AND CASH COWS. GUTLESS BUNCH OF SODS. TRAITORS TO DEMOCRACY.[/b] N'

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21/08/2013 [b]News Limited, owner of The Courier-Mail, owns about 68 per cent of the Brisbane Broncos Limited.[/b] http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/businessmen-out-public-in-as-broncos-shares-up-for-sale-20110818-1izh3.html LIB TERESA GAMBARO STANDING THERE WITH ABBOTT AND NEWMAN...APPARENTLY SHE'S BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS MONEY TO BE GIVEN TO HELP BRONCOS... DISTURBING MEMORIES: TERESA GAMBARO, MEMBER FOR BRISBANE The daughter of an Italian immigrant, she was [b]educated at Holy Spirit School in New Farm, the All Hallows' School in Brisbane,[/b] [b]Gambaro made news in January 2012 by suggesting that immigrants are not integrating into Australian culture well enough. She believes that telling them to "wear deodorant" and learning to "wait in a queue" is "teaching what are norms in Australia." After a storm of outcry on social media and in Australian newspapers, Gambaro was forced to back down and make a public apology[/b] WIKIPEDIA GAMBARO SOUNDS LIKE A MURDOCH EMPIRE EMPLOYEE...DOG WHISTLER. COMMUNITY DIVIDER. OBNOXIOUS. N'

Catching up

21/08/2013It is good that the Greens have released their costings. Gives some insight into Abbott;s missing costings. The Guardians own costings have shown, that when Family Benefits are taken into consideration, the nett amount is much less than Abbott claims. One should not forget, this policy was taken to the 2010 election, along with most of this campaign. Nothing new. Yes, those costings are need. No good the likes of Dutton saying, we will get therm, when they are good and ready. That also goes for their health policies. Expect a few unwelcome details there as well. Advice to read the small print, has never been so important.

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21/08/2013 SO ABBOTT WANTS TO GIVE 5 MILLION TO THE MURDOCH EMPIRE'S BRONCOS CAUSE WHILST LABOR PLEDGES 15 MILLION TO CREATE A NETWORK OF NURSES TO HELP IN REGIONAL AUSTRALIA... NOT SURPRISED THE ABBOTT & NEWMAN TEAM LOOKED AWKWARD...LIKE THEY HAD BEEN CAUGHT OUT BROWN-NOSING SOMEONE: [b]Labor has promised $15m to establish a network of nurse co-ordinators in rural and regional Australia to support more than 7000 cancer patients over the next four years. [/b] The nurses will co-ordinate specialist services for rural patients who suffer from a lack of access and support to manage their conditions during often long and arduous treatments, usually away from home. The co-ordinators will help patients navigate the system to provide information and connect them with resources they might otherwise miss. They will also help the patients' families with paperwork and management of the disease. The co-ordinators will be based at 26 Commonwealth-funded regional cancer centres across the country. Five co-ordinators will be dedicated to supporting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander patients at existing centres. The initiative was included in the pre-election economic and fiscal outlook and the budget. The prime minister, Kevin Rudd, said on Wednesday all Australians with cancer were entitled to the best care available, regardless of where they lived or how much they earned. "We are progressively bridging the gap in cancer outcomes between the city and the country," Rudd said. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/labor-pledges-15m-rural-cancer-nurses [b]HOW MANY HEALTH STAFF HAVE NEWMAN AND THE LNP ALREADY SLICED AND DICED HERE IN QLD CAUSING PRESENT AND FUTURE MISERY FOR PATIENTS AND STAFF...AND THEIR FAMILIES? AHHH, BUT AS LONG AS THE MASTER OF MURDOR IS KEPT PLEASED EH? THAT'S PRIORITIES FOR YA. [/b] N'

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21/08/2013 LYN, GOOD NOON...WELL, CLOSE ENUFF. I AM SLOWLY GOING THRU YER MANY OFFERINGS. TOP JOB. THE LAVARTUS PRODEO POST LED ME TO: [b]Immersion journalism for democracy[/b] june 15, 2013 For more than a decade I argued inside and outside election planning meetings at the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age that we must do immersion journalism in key seats. Rushing in and out of seats on the circus bus and making a few calls to profile marginals was crap, I argued. My last experience on the bus, during the 1996 election, convinced me never to do it again. I wrote of the experience in my book on Pauline Hanson’s free-form, authentic encounters with Australians during the 1998 election campaign: [b]‘Any honest look at the disillusion in the Australian political landscape has to face up to the media’s complicity — inadvertent and otherwise — in the gamesmanship of the electoral process. The leaders and journalists are actors in a play, bound by intricate codes of etiquette and self-interest. We pick their spin, they pick ours, and both sides look only at each other, as journalists present our theatre reviews to an ever more disconnected public. Little wonder that the public has come to distrust us, the media, as much as the politicians.’ (Off the rails: The Pauline Hanson Trip, Allen & Unwin, 1999)[/b] [b]Send a journo to a key marginal to LIVE for the whole campaign, I urged. They will get the direct mail, they will meet real voters, they will see the circus from the outside in and know how real people respond to it. They will attend the candidates forums and read the local media and see how the national debate plays on the ground. They can tell a deep, grounded democratic story, weaving local and national.[/b] [b]Eyes always rolled. I could hear inner voices muttering ‘Mad Margo’. It never happened.[/b] Now I’ve got my chance and I’m going for it. After [b]announcing new directions for No Fibs in my first column last Saturday I asked for volunteer citizen journos to report how democracy plays out in the seats where they live. Safe or marginal I didn’t care, because all democratic stories are important and different.[/b] MUCH MORE HERE: http://nofibs.com.au/2013/06/15/outside-the-bubble/ YES, MAD MARGO...THAT'S HOW THE CORPORATE LACKEYS LIKE TO SEE, LABEL A REAL GUARDIAN OF DEMOCRACY. THE MURDOCH CLONES AND CORPORATE SYCOPHANTS SIT THERE IN THEIR SUITS AND FINE CLOTHES SHOVELLING THE BS OUR WAY... OFFERING UP PISS WEAK ANALYSES OF ISSUES... [b]PLAYING APOLOGISTS FOR THIS DERANGED, XENOPHOBIC, RELIGIOUS BUNCH OF NUTBAGS THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER UNDER ABBOTT LIKE A GANG OF DEMENTED ZEALOT INQUISITORS DRIVEN BY THE URGE TO COMBAT HERETICS. [/b] PERHAPS THE CORPORATE MEDIA SHOULD SCRUTINISE THE PRESENT COALITION AND SOME OF THEIR MEDIA COMPANIES' OWNERS...SEE IF THEY CAN FIND THE REAL MADNESS? EVEN LUNATICS KNOW HOW TO CHARM...AND SEDUCE. N'

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21/08/2013 LYN, USEFUL POST BY GROG: [b]This is Tony Abbott’s “signature policy”. This is the one he has had hanging around his neck the longest. It is his baby and he is either too embarrassed to explain how it is paid for, or he is too ignorant of the details. Take you pick. It ain’t good for him In an election where big numbers are thin on the ground and the details of this policy are coming apart bit by bit, I expect to see this once again be a topic for questions tomorrow. Especially as state governments are involved so there’s plenty of places to get quotes of Premiers saying they’re not sure about it.[/b] http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ VOTERS ARE WAKING UP...TOO MANY WERE SLEEPWALKING. YOU ONLY HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PRESS QUESTIONING RUDD...TOO MANY ARE LIKE THE WALKING DEAD...WORKING OVERTIME FOR NEWS CORPSE...AND THE OTHER CORPSERATIONS. N'

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21/08/2013 [b]I do not believe community forums are suitable for such a debate between leaders. Those I have witnessed have been characterized by partisan questioning by audience ‘plants’, and stereotypical answers[/b] AD, COULDN'T AGREE MORE. INFORMATIVE POST. LET'S FACE IT...THIS PEOPLE'S FORUM IS NOT A DEBATE TO INFORM... IT'S A PLUG FOR MURDOCH'S COURIER MAIL...AND MURDOCH'S BRONCOS. MORE KOWTOWING TO MURDOCH BY THOSE WHO PURPORT TO REPRESENT US. I WILL NOT BE WATCHING. I GET ENUFF MURDOCH EMPIRE SPRUIKING ON ABC BREAKFAST...AND VARIOUS OTHER ABC SHOWS, ENUFF TO LAST A LIFETIME, N'

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21/08/2013[quote]We really must talk about what actually did save Australia.[/quote] A good read by Alan Austin, amply illustrated in case we have forgotten how much this country owes the Rudd government for their swift action in 2008. And how badly it would have gone under a Liars government. Whingers take note; if Rudd & Swan had not taken the action they did, when they did, you'd be on the dole having lost everything. Then you'd REALLY have something to whinge about. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-what-actually-did-save-australia/

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21/08/2013 [b]Rupert Murdoch has backed comments from Britain's chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, who says multiculturalism has "had its day", with the media mogul adding that "societies have to integrate. Muslims find it hardest." The News Corp chief took to Twitter to make his remarks, which have caused anger among diversity campaigners in Australia. He tweeted: "Good for UK Chief Rabbi Sacks! 'Let's put multiculturalism behind us'. Societies have to integrate. Muslims find it hardest."[/b] http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/20/rupert-murdoch-twitter-attack-muslims GEEZ, I WONDER WHY RUPERT MURDOCH IS SO KEEN TO WIN THIS ELECTION...CREATE A SANCTUARY FOR HIMSELF AND HIS CRIMINAL MOB?: MURDOCH'S UK UNIT COULD FACE CORPORATE HACKING CHARGES - SOURCE Reuters August 17, 2013, 8:28 am LONDON/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - London police are actively investigating Rupert Murdoch's British newspaper business for possible criminal violations over allegations of phone-hacking and illegal payments to public officials by its journalists, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters. Murdoch's News Corp said it was aware of the police inquiry but gave no further details. Until now, the investigation appeared to be focused on News Corp employees rather than the corporation. http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/18537295/murdochs-uk-unit-could-face-corporate-hacking-charges-source/ ATTACKING MUSLIMS AND MULTICULTURALISM MAKES FOR A USEFUL DISTRACTION EH RUPERT?...YOU SICK BASTARD. MURDOCH WILL DO ANYTHING TO ENSURE HIS EMPIRE SURVIVES...BLACKMAIL, BULLY AND BUY POLITICAL LEADERS; DANGEROUSLY DIVIDE COMMUNITIES; PERSECUTE AND VILIFY MINORITIES AND THE DISADVANTAGED...CREATE WARS...FIASCOS. RUPERT MURDOCH IS NO BETTER THAN THE WORST OF DICTATORS...AND MOB BOSSES...HE TACTICS ARE SLIGHTLY MORE SUBTLE...A PRETENCE OF BEING DEMOCRATIC AND COMPASSIONATE... BUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED TO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES IS JUST AS HORRENDOUS. AND TO THINK OUR POLITICAL LEADERS KOWTOW TO THIS MAN...INCLUDING ABBOTT, HOCKEY, MIRABELLA AND MORRISON. MORALLY BANKRUPT. N'

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21/08/2013 Should be: [b]RUPERT MURDOCH IS NO BETTER THAN THE WORST OF DICTATORS...AND MOB BOSSES...HIS TACTICS ARE SLIGHTLY MORE SUBTLE...A PRETENCE OF BEING DEMOCRATIC AND COMPASSIONATE...BUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED TO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES IS JUST AS HORRENDOUS.[/b]

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21/08/2013 ABBOTT SAID SMUGLY THAT HE WOULD 'WELCOME QUESTIONS ON THE PPL' YET HE WOULDN'T LET HOCKEY ANSWER A QUESTION ON 'HOW MUCH OF THE PPL, WHAT PERCENTAGE, WILL COME FROM THE LEVY?'... ABBOTT IS A BULLSHIT ARTIST BIG TIME. NOT TO BE TRUSTED, THIS PPL SCHEME IS IN TATTERS...ABBOTT THINKS HE CAN PULL A BIG ONE ON THE AUSSIE PUBLIC... SADLY, THE PRESS DIDN'T FOLLOW UP...PUT HIM UNDER PRESSURE. PATHETIC. N'

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21/08/2013 JANE, THAT POST @ INDEPENDENT AUSTRALIA MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME...I WISH MORE VOTERS WOULD GET ACCESS TO IT...THEY MIGHT BE SURPRISED: Of all 34 OECD countries, only two experienced just one quarter of negative growth in 2008, thus averting a technical recession — Australia and Poland. Authorities advancing this analysis include Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University, UNICEF consultant Bruno Martorano, UBS chief economist Scott Haslem, World Bank managing director Juan Jose Daboub, Queensland University’s John Quiggin, Sydney University’s Rodney Tiffin, the Australian Trade Commission’s Tim Harcourt and most of Australia’s government, business and union peak bodies. Plus economics journalists outside Australia. Nobel Prize winning economist Professor Joseph Stiglitz The consensus outside Australia is compelling. As Prof Stiglitz wrote: ‘Kevin Rudd … realized that it was important to act early, with money that would be spent quickly, but that there was a risk that the crisis would not be over soon. So the first part of the stimulus was cash grants, followed by investments, which would take longer to put into place. Rudd’s stimulus worked: Australia had the shortest and shallowest of recessions of the advanced industrial countries.’ Why does this matter? Two reasons. First, Australians are entitled to base their vote on valid analysis rather than the falsehoods rife in the mainstream media. Second, according to the OECD, another severe downturn is likely. Will Australians stick with the managers who took Australia from 12th-ranked to top of the world during the last downturn? Or switch to the Coalition, whose proposed policies saw the nations which implemented them fare poorly? The world will watch with interest. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/we-really-must-talk-about-what-actually-did-save-australia/ UNFORTUNATELY, I RECKON ABBOTT/HOCKEY WILL INTENTIONALL DRIVE US INTO A RECESSION FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR WHILST BLAMING THE ALP... SO THEY CAN BRING IN SEVERE AUSTERITY MEASURES...MUCH OF IT DONE BY THEIR BUTCHERS IN THE STATE GOVERNMENTS... WHILST PROVIDING LARGE TAX CUTS FOR THEIR SO CALLED 'WEALTH CREATORS' AND OTHER FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITIES...AND MAKING IR CHANGES THAT WILL SEE LESS PROTECTIVE POWER FOR UNIONS... AND AN EVENTUAL INCREASE IN ARCHAIC AND DODGY JOBS OFFERING LESS THAN USEFUL WAGES AND CONDITIONS... THEY WILL FOCUS ON THE GROWTH IN EMPLOYMENT...IGNORING HOW POOR THE WAGES AND CONDITIONS WILL BE. THE COALITION SUPPORTED BY ITS MEDIA PROPAGANDA MACHINES WILL BRING ON A CULTURE WAR, INCREASE DOG WHISTLING, SECURITY SCARES AND ATTACK INDIVIDUAL UNIONISTS IN ORDER TO DISTRACT FROM ITS UNPALATABLE AND UNFAIR WORKPLACE, INDUSTRY AND TAXATION CHANGES... THE FOCUS ON MOTHERS AND RELIGION WILL BE AS SACCHARINE AND AS OVER-THE-TOP AS ANYTHING WE'VE SEEN FROM PREVIOUS CONSERVATIVE GOVTS... THEY WILL SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME TRYING TO PUMP LIFE INTO THE HOUSING INDUSTRY... WHILST THE CLIMATE DEVESTATES US... AND DISPLACED PEOPLE MOVEMENT BEGINS TO OVERWHELM THEM... LEADING TO A VICIOUS RESPONSE BY THESE MORALISING INQUISITORS AND CRUSADING RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS THAT WILL SHAME THIS COUNTRY FOR ALL TIME. THE DYING OF THE LIGHT...HAS BEGUN. IT WILL TAKE GREAT COURAGE TO END THEIR RULE...IF THEY GET IN. EXPECT LITTLE HELP FROM THE MEDIA CORPSE. N'

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21/08/2013 Should be: [b]UNFORTUNATELY, I RECKON ABBOTT/HOCKEY WILL INTENTIONALLY DRIVE US INTO A RECESSION FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR WHILST BLAMING THE ALP...[/b] THE GST WILL ALSO PLAY A ROLE...AS IT DID IN NZ...AND THE UK (VAT) THE COALITION WILL PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT TAX HAVENS, DODGERS...BUT WILL MAINLY FOCUS ON RICH INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES BACKING THE ALP. TAX FAIRNESS WILL BE ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS. OUR NBN WILL NOT BE BUILT. THE NDIS WILL BE A SHADOW OF THE ORIGINAL GOAL. PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL BE SUCKED DRY AND MANY SEMI OR FULLY PRIVATISED OR CLOSED...THE LAND SOLD OFF. PRIVATE HEALTHCARE, CHILDCARE AND ELDERLY CARE WILL DOMINATE AND PUT AUSSIES INTO UNNECESSARY FURTHER DEBT... GAY MARRIAGE WILL BE PASSED AND USED AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE UK AND NZ TO SHOW THAT THE COALITION ARE BOLD REFORMERS NOT KOWTOWING TO EXTREMISTS... WHILST THE LIBERTARIAN AND OTHER EXTREMIST MEDIA AND PARTIES WILL BE USED TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE COALITION TO FCK GOVT EVEN MORE...AND DESTROY MULTICULTURALISM... CREATING [b]ONE NATION UNDER ABBOTT.[/b] PROUDLY FLAG WAVING...QUEEN KOWTOWING...MURDOCH CANOODLING...MINING ADORING...ALWAYS STANDING PROUDLY IN FRONT OF A WAR MEMORIAL... WHILST THE WEAPONS AND INSTRUMENTS OF WAR AND BLOODY SPORTS FIND FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, [b]NATIONALISM AT ITS WORSE...ONE NATION UNDER ABBOTT[/b]. N'

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21/08/2013 AND NUCLEAR ENERGY OF COURSE...URANIUM MINING AND NUCLEAR ENERGY. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO RESIST THE PUSH BY WEALTHY INVESTORS, SHAREHOLDERS, DIGGERS, EXPORTERS, IMPORTERS, BUILDERS, BELIEVERS.

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21/08/2013Hi Lyn Once again I’ve enjoyed reading your links. They are grist to my writing mill. I’m already working on next Sunday’s piece as I have a busy week ahead of me. Sundays come round so quickly!

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21/08/2013 LYN, FROM THAT IAN MCAULEY PIECE: [b]Chris Richardson, of Deloitte Access Economics has said that “our standard of living is at risk if Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd continue to ignore ‘root-and-branch’ tax reform”. Ross Gittins warns that “both sides’ belief that government debt is evil condemns us to a life of inadequate public infrastructure”. Richardson and Gittins have broken the code of silence, but our politicians haven’t. [/b] [b]It is easy to heap blame on both mainstream parties, but the reality is that the “right” has been mounting a sustained attack on the public sector for at least the last thirty years. As Noam Chomsky points out, we have been encouraged to hate government, and to see taxation not as payments we make to bring some decency to society and to fund public goods, but as a form of theft to be resisted.[/b] [b]The Coalition, in holding back its costings, is using an established tactic to deceive pre-poll voters. But its greater deceit is about its longer-term fiscal plans. Labor in its warning about the Coalition’s $70 billion “black hole” is on the right track, but that’s only a small part of the story – a gap of $18 billion a year is a long way short of $60 billion a year.[/b] https://newmatilda.com/2013/08/20/why-labor-really-worries-about-coalition-cuts I SEE IT AS DISGRACEFUL THAT WE PERMIT THE RORTING OF THE PUBLIC PURSE BY WEALTHY SUPERANNUANTS... [b]Like many tax expenditures the benefits of the superannuation tax concessions and exemptions flow overwhelmingly to the rich. For example, the Australia Institute estimates that the top 5% of income earners get one third of the superannuation tax grants, about $10 billion at the moment and rising to $15 billion in 2015/16. [/b] https://theconversation.com/current-super-concessions-favour-the-wealthy-so-why-arent-we-supporting-reform-12063 SIMON CREAN AND OTHER LABORITES SHOULD BE SHOT (METAPHORICALLY) FOR UNDERMINING EFFORTS TO RIGHT THIS WRONG. IT'S MORALLY CRIMINAL. [b]It says much about the degeneration of the Australian Labor Party that its priority and target for budget “savings” is poor single mums. In order to save an estimated $723 million over four years, in January around 80,000 single parents (90% of whom are women) were moved onto Newstart, effectively reducing incomes already considered under the poverty line by between $60 and $110 dollars. But when it comes to the really rich (mainly men) suckling on the teat of government through disguised spending programs like superannuation tax concessions,[/b] INDEED. YET ANOTHER REASON WE HAVE [b]THE DYING OF THE LIGHT[/b] N'

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21/08/2013A big lie on ABC 245. Said that regardless of who wins, we will be taking more refugees. That is not rue, Morrison intends to lower the number to 13,700. Not the 20,000 it is now. The story follows, say different. L-NP to lower, Labor to raise.

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21/08/2013According to Mr. Cormann, there is a difference between a levy and a tax. Funny, back in the days of Labor's flood levy, they said this was not so. Mr. Cormann, could not tell Lyndal, what the difference was.

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21/08/2013 'THE DRUM' PROVIDES AN EXAMPLE OF EVERYTHING FROM WITH OUR NEWS MEDIA,..THE REPORTERS AND OPINION-MAKERS ARE TOO CHUMMY WITH THE POLITICIANS... WE NEED MORE INDEPENDENT, ROBUST REPORTERS WHO KEEP PROFESSIONAL DISTANCE. ANNABEL CRABBE IS FAR TOO CLOSE TO THE POLITICIANS TO COME UP WITH OBJECTIVE REPORTING AND TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS. SAME GOES FOR FANNING FROM THE 'OBSERVER EFFECT'. N'

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21/08/2013 Should be: '[b]THE DRUM' PROVIDES AN EXAMPLE OF EVERYTHING WRONG WITH OUR NEWS MEDIA,..THE REPORTERS AND OPINION-MAKERS ARE TOO CHUMMY WITH THE POLITICIANS...[/b]

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21/08/2013someone above mentioned independent australia,that is where i get all my information on ASHBYGATE,they have investegated this story from the beginning,and have evidence to back their claims,but not one journalist from the MSM have reported on any of their findings after reading the latest on this which was published today,i fear that if no action is taken it will be hidden forever,i fear they have too many people in high places , and too much to hide

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21/08/2013Abbott got his own way. Watching, I suspect Abbott will not be keen for a Rooty Hill outing.

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21/08/2013 STACE HAD TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL FOR YEAR 10 SUBJECT SELECTION SO I WATCHED THE DEBATE...RELUCTANTLY. RUDD WAS KICK ARSE. QUICK ON HIS FEET...CONFIDENT...SO MANY DETAILS, HOUSING FOR INSTANCE. ABBOTT SAYING 'SHUT UP' DEMONSTRATED PANIC...COULDN'T TAKE SCRUTINY OF HIS BAD PPL SCHEME.

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21/08/2013I THOUGHT RUDD DID WELL NAS, BUT NEEDED TO SELL LABOR'S ACHIEVEMENTS AND VISION A BIT MORE... ROOTY HILL NEXT WEEK?

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21/08/2013 BTW, I HEARD FROM A FRIEND WITH A HIGH UP SOURCE THAT ABBOTT WAS BEING GROOMED FOR LEADERSHIP FOR YEARS...SO IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF ABBOTT WAS TOLD TO VOTE AGAINST WORKCHOICES JUST IN CASE THE FUTURE TURNED BAD FOR LIBS AND HE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE LEADERSHIP AFTER A HOWARD LOSS. I DON'T TRUST HIM ON IT...ABBOTT TOO CLOSE TO HOWARD AND OTHER WORKCHOICE PUSHERS,

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21/08/2013 [b]NEEDED TO SELL LABOR'S ACHIEVEMENTS AND VISION A BIT MORE[/b] BACCHUS, AGREE...I'D LIKE TO HAVE HEARD MORE ABOUT TRADES TRAINING CENTRES, MONEY PUT INTO SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS, CANCER CLINICS ETC. HOWEVER, I WAS PLEASED RUDD BROUGHT UP GFC AND GETTING THRU IT DUE TO CERTAIN APPROACHES. RUDD DID WELL ON BANK LEVY TOO. AND GAY MARRIAGE...CONSCIENCE VOTE. N'

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21/08/2013 RUDD STRONG ON 457 VISAS. ABBOTT WEAK...WOULD CONCERN A LOT OF WORKERS.

Michael

21/08/2013Abbott looked and sounded tinny in Brisbane tonight. I kept looking for the steak knives or the meat plate to leap into his offering hand. Or even "but wait, there's more" - except, of course, Abbott's problem is there is nothing more to him. Just what he's hiding from voters. There's lots more of that.

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21/08/2013Wonder what we would be hearing now, if Rudd told Abbott to shut up. As for saying no to WC, surely Abbott says no to everything, just habit.

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21/08/2013 COME ON ABC 24 WHERE IS THE ABBOTT 'SHUT UP!' CLIP? STOP ACTING LIKE ABBOTT PROTECTORS. WTF! LYNDAL CURTIS RECKONS NO MAJOR STUMBLES...WHAT IS SAYING 'DOESN'T HE EVER SHUT UP!'??? POOR STUFF LYNDAL.

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21/08/2013Folks I thought tonight’s debate was a big improvement on the first. Even David Spears, who was involved in both, agreed. He rated the public’s questions well above those of the journalists, whom he scored ‘nil’. If we are rating the debate, in my opinion Kevin Rudd won comfortably. He was well informed with facts and figures, presented his points systematically, and made telling rebuttals of several of Abbott’s statements. I felt Tony Abbott was hesitant, did not argue his points well, failed to answer crucial questions about costings, especially about his PPL, and reverted to denigratory comments about Rudd, particularly in his summing up, where his thrust was: vote for me because you don’t want another six years of Labor. As expected, Chris Uhlmann was not prepared to say anything adverse about Abbott, and declined to pick the winner. Lyndall Curtis gave the debate to Rudd. I feel Labor will be happy with Rudd’s performance tonight.

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21/08/2013 [b]Wonder what we would be hearing now, if Rudd told Abbott to shut up. As for saying no to WC, surely Abbott says no to everything, just habit.[/b] CU, IF RUDD HAD ACTED LIKE ABBOTT THE MSM WOULD CONDEMN HIM AND SAY IT'S ALL OVER. THEY ARE ABBOTT APOLOGISTS. THE FACT IS, ABBOTT REALLY STRUGGLED ON COSTINGS AND PPL. HE WAS QUITE FAZED, ANNOYED AT TIMES...GOT IRRITABLE...STOOD SWEATING BUCKETS...LOOKING AWKWARD WHEN FAZED. SPEERS TRIED TO BAIL HIM OUT AT TIMES, EXAMPLE: BARGING IN AND SAYING TO RUDD HE COULD'VE GONE TO A DOUBLE DISSOLUTION ELECTION RE: ETS. SPEERS KNEW ABBOTT WAS FLUSTERED AND FALTERING. INAPPROPRIATE INTERFERENCE BY SPEERS. N'

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21/08/2013Good audience with thoughtful questions. Tony's comment was indicative of how he is not much of a bloke. Rudd was respectful but forceful with his presentation. Abbott was just calling Rudd a liar. It is not question time in the parliament here Tony.. How could anyone expect good negotiation and diplomacy internationally from this FAKE. Tony's got friends and influence everywhere but they still can't paper over his shortcomings. Rudd 8/10 Abbott 4/10

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22/08/2013Today’s Links People's Forum: Abbott loses his cool by channel 7 56% of viewers using the exclusive 7News Viewer vote to say the PM won the showdown. At one stage a frustrated Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has lost his cool under tough questioning from Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at tonight's People's Forum in Brisbane. [b]Does this man ever shut up?[/b]" an exasperated Mr Abbott asked after an exchange on his Paid Parental Leave scheme. http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/18595373/rudd-abbott-peoples-forum/ ''Does this guy ever shut up?'' - Tony Abbott by @mattdasilva By reverting to type, Abbott briefly showed us what he really is: an over-educated goon with zero imagination and absolutely no respect for the office to which he aspires. But we shouldn't be surprised. What's more surprising is that Abbott's minders have managed to keep him on-message and out of trouble for so long. But every now and then - like last night - Abbott slips up http://happyantipodean.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/does-this-guy-ever-shut-up-tony-abbott.html Rudd vs Abbott people’s forum: experts respond by @ConversationEDU Rudd was much more energetic than last time, though, and Abbott was conspicuously nastier. At one stage he openly slagged: [b]“Does this guy ever shut up?”[/b] Not that he forsook his own chance to squeeze a comment in immediately afterwards http://theconversation.com/rudd-vs-abbott-peoples-forum-experts-respond-17327 Election 2013: Day 17 (or, not quite a jocular conversation) by @GrogsGamut The moment of the debate that will get all the airtime will be Abbott saying [b]“Does this guy ever shut up?”[/b]Some will suggest that will be good for Abbott because people get bored by Rudd. And yes, they might, but people also expect their Prime Minister to have better manners than a primary school bully. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ Tony Abbott deflects questions over asking if Kevin Rudd would 'ever shut up' during leaders' forum by ABC Tony Abbott has deflected questions about his heated comment in last night's campaign debate, when he asked if the Prime Minister would [b]"ever shut up". [/b]Instead, the Opposition Leader accused Kevin Rudd of being "feisty" and "confrontational" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-21/rudd-and-abbott-face-off-at-people27s-forum/4903760 Feisty debate leads Abbott to ask Rudd, ‘Does this guy ever shut up-’ by Kevin Lees @Suffragio But Rudd’s tenacity resulted in at least one major concession from Abbott — that Abbott’s plan to cover the costs of a $5.5 billion paid parental leave scheme are insufficient. http://suffragio.org/2013/08/21/feisty-debate-leads-abbott-to-ask-rudd-does-this-guy-ever-shut-up/ The land of the long white mirage by @JohnQuiggin2 Hockey’s statement implies, entirely falsely, that New Zealand has performed better on the relevant measures of unemployment and economic growth. In fact, as will be shown below, New Zealand’s pursuit of budget surplus has come at the expense of employment and growth. http://inside.org.au/the-land-of-the-long-white-mirage/ Investors may pay for Coalition parental scheme by ABC Costings released by the Parliamentary Budget Office reveal the decision not to allow shareholders to claim franking credits will save a Coalition Government $1.6 billion each year once the leave scheme is fully up and running, as Matt O'Neil reports. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/investors-hit-by-coalition-parental-scheme/4901170 Explaining Abbott’s double slug on Australian investors by @crikey_news The proposed 1.5% levy is one thing, but at least it hits all big companies operating in Australia similarly. Extending it to franking credits is a second hit, which concentrates the $1.6 billion impost exclusively on Australian-based taxpayers, treating them differently to foreign investors. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/21/mayne-explaining-abbotts-double-slug-on-australian-investors/ New blow for Tony Abbott over paid parental leave scheme by Lenore Taylor Shareholder groups say this is an "unfair hit" on investors in Australian listed companies that feature in most share portfolios. They are calling on the Coalition to reverse the decision. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/benefit-coalition-paid-parental-leave Shareholders could be hurt twice by Coalition's paid parental leave scheme BY @myriamrobin Over the past 24 hours, numerous media outlets have claimed the opposition’s 1.5% levy on companies earning more than $5 million in taxable income will not be put towards franked dividends (dividends on which no more tax must be paid). http://leadingcompany.smartcompany.com.au/news/shareholders-could-be-hurt-twice-by-coalition-s-paid-parental-leave PAYING FOR PARENTAL LEAVE by Nick Feik Paul Kelly summed up the views of many: "The lack of transparency is contemptuous. Abbott says his policy is fully funded by the Parliamentary Budget Office yet he refuses to release such details for his biggest single policy of the election... No inquiry, no report and no independent analysis offers a basis for Abbott's scheme." http://www.themonthly.com.au/politicoz Tony Abbott wrong on child immunisation rates ABC Fact Check The verdict : Given the overall vaccination rates across all three age groups over the period of the Labor governments has either remained stable or increased, Mr Abbott's claim that "this Government (has) presided over a reduction in vaccination rates" is WRONG http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-21/tony-abbott-wrong-on-vaccination-rates/4899740 Is Tony Abbott a liberal? by @macro_business His carbon policies are based upon regulation not markets, his parental leave plan is based upon tax and redistribute, his northern Australia development plan has all the hallmarks of central planning and favoured vested interests. He’s adopted the Labour Party’s overly restrictive industrial relations laws, education policies and disability insurance scheme. he looks more Keynesian than fiscal conservative. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/is-tony-abbott-a-liberal/ Ashbygate emerging update by @independentaus For those looking for an update on IA’s most recent Ashbygate story – Ashbygate emerging – the Ashbygate Trust provides an update along with fresh information. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/ashbygate-emerging-update/ #ausvotes- The Australian Federal Election on Twitter, Week 2 by Mappingonline We’ve entered week three of the 2013 Australian federal election campaign, and current opinion polls still have the major parties within a few points of each other. Time, then, for an update on how the parties and their candidates are doing on Twitter thus far. http://mappingonlinepublics.net/2013/08/21/ausvotes-the-australian-federal-election-on-twitter-week-2/ Why election campaigns have become so vacuous by @1RossGittins The opposition could have released all its policies weeks ago but it didn't because it needed to "maintain momentum" by releasing individual policies every few days during the five-week campaign. Because of this, we're told, it's unable to tell us how its promises will be paid for until the last week. http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/08/why-election-campaigns-have-become-so.html NBN: we would have been better off without privatisation by @JohnQuiggin2 The opposition has railed against the alleged wastefulness of the NBN but they have been unable to come up with a private-sector alternative. Rather, their alternative proposal is a cut-down, but still publicly owned broadband network, heavily reliant on the goodwill of the Telstra monopoly. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/21/national-broadband-network-elections NBN: Need for speed II - nobody 'needs more than 1Mpbs' by @SteveJ_CBR The whole point of the FTTP design is to avoid congestion within the Customer Access Network. NBN Co can cheaply and quickly improve speeds within their Transit Network, back to Points of Interconnect (PoI's) so the only congestion consumers see is from their ISP/Retailer network, outside the control of NBN Co. http://stevej-on-nbn.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/nbn-need-for-speed-ii-nobody-needs-more.html#more Turnbull finally admits his NBN upload speed will be 4-6Mbps by @techAU Something that’s abundantly clear from Turnbull’s responses is that he doesn’t understand the YouTube generation that upload videos daily. This is where uploads count the most, user-generated content, not business generated, but user-generated from their homes. I’m guessing Turnbull has never actually tried to upload a video from an ADSL2+ connection, http://techau.com.au/turnbull-finally-admits-his-nbn-upload-speed-will-be-4-6mbps/ Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 21 August 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

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22/08/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

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22/08/2013 SHAME ON ABC BREAKFAST...THEY BROUGHT A NEWS LTD HACK IN YESTERDAY...A LIBERAL TODAY TO DEFINE THE NEWS. THEY PUT UP THE DISGRACEFUL HARTCHER SPIN ON SMH...AND THEN GROTESQUE COURIER MAIL FRONT PAGE SPIN. THE PPL CLIP WAS CUT SO IT MISSED ABBOTT WAFFLING AND UNDER REAL PRESSURE. DISGRACEFULLY BIASED APPROACH BY PUBLIC BROADCASTER. ROWLAND AND TRIOLI ARE LIKE LIBERAL PARTY HACKS, THEY DIDN'T IDENTIFY THE AUSSIE ARAB AS A LIBERAL. N'

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22/08/2013 LATIKA BOURKE AND VIRGINIA TRIOLI THAT IS JUST NOT ON! DURING A DEBATE YOU [b]NEVER[/b] TELL SOMEONE TO 'SHUT UP'. THERE IS NOT 'TWO WAYS' OF TAKING THAT...YOU ARE PUSHING THE TABLOID SPIN. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. TONY ABBOTT UNDER PRESSURE LOST HIS COOL BECAUSE HIS COSTINGS AND PPL SCHEME ARE IN TATTERS. N'

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22/08/2013This is thought provoking (and a serve at Abbott at the same time). http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blogs/blunt-instrument/what-would-a-jesuit-do-about-refugees-20130821-2sbul.html [quote]You can, and should, read about it here, but long story short, a Riverview senior Henry Gallagher marshalled 450 signatures, most of them Riverview students, to a missive meant to remind Abbott and his co-religionist colleagues from whence they came and the principles from which he especially was meant to draw inspiration as he went out into the world. [i]“We feel compelled to express our disappointment that, as graduates of our Jesuit schools, you would allow those principles, cultivated in our common tradition, to be betrayed,” Henry writes. "We look for heroes among our alumni, for insignes (generous and influential people, as Ignatius styled them). Instead we see only allegiances to parties that trade human lives for political expediency, that choose the lowest common denominator to woo the populace, and that speak of economic problems rather than the dignity of the human person, especially the most vulnerable." [/i][/quote]

Michael

22/08/2013Abbott was his usual whiny, sanctimonious self last night. The flip side to his 'testosterone in a tip-truck' persona. Actually, not the flip side - the mask he tries to pull over his real nature.

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22/08/2013 THEN TRIOLI TAKES US TO LIBERAL GEORGE BRANDIS TO SPIN THE 'SHUT UP' AS A NEGATIVE FOR RUDD... MY WIFE IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED. SHE SAID THAT ABBOTT COULDN'T TAKE THE HEAT AND TRIED TO SHUT THAT PART OF THE DEBATE DOWN... THE FACT THAT THE MSM ABBOTT APOLOGISTS ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY HIS RUDE ACTION UNDERMINES WHAT EDUCATORS ARE TRYING TO TEACH STUDENTS...TO NOT USE SUCH AGGRESSIVE PHRASES IN CLASS BECAUSE IT TRYING TO CONTROL OTHERS AND SHUT THEIR VIEWS DOWN. ABBOTT RANTS AND RANTS AND RANTS IN PARLIAMENT...SOMETIMES HE GIVES NEGATIVE OVERLY-LONG SPEECHES ON THE CAMPAIGN TROLL...YET RUDD IS THE ONE TRIOLI AND BOURKE ARE TRYING TO DEFINE AS BORING AND VERBOSE...JUST LIKE THE TABLOIDS...DOING IT TAG TEAM STYLE. I WOULD EXPECT SUCH SPIN AND CHARACTER ASSASSINATING ON SKY NEWS, VIA THE SHOCK JOCKS OR ON FOX NEWS...BUT THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER? SHAME ABC BREAKFAST...SHAME! N'

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22/08/2013 PETER HARTCHER'S SPIN IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY I DIDN'T SUBSCRIBE TO FAIRFAX. N'

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22/08/2013 GREAT TO SEE RUDD AND LABOR ON THE FRONT FOOT...FIRED UP IN FRONT OF A NSW CROWD...FELT LIKE THE ALP WE USED TO KNOW... THE ALP THAT LOOKED AFTER THE MANY WHEN THE GFC HIT. YOU JUST CAN'T TRUST 'NEVER, EVER' TONY ABBOTT.

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22/08/2013 WHO IS THE REAL TONY?: [b]ABBOTT LIES[/b] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_SfWbXowLw PLENTY OF HIS ALLIED MEDIA WOULD PREFER YOU HAD A SHORT MEMORY. THIS SHOULD BE SHOWN ACROSS AUSTRALIA...MENTIONS SLUSH FUND, THE PELL MEETING AND ABBOTT'S PPL. GOSPEL TRUTH, 'NEVER, EVER' ABBOTT CAN'T BE TRUSTED TO TELL THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA WHAT HIS REAL PLANS ARE. N'

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22/08/2013In seriously think that Abbott has a degree of symptoms of "punch-drunk"....I've worked with a couple of young blokes in my time in the building trade and he exhuibits that same vague, slow-response time hesitancy that is the hallmark of "punch-drunk" ex-pugilists. What say you Dr. AA.?

jaycee

22/08/2013Jeesus!...that grammar in the last post there looks like I suffer from the same!

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22/08/2013 INTERESTING HOW LATIKA BOURKE AND VIRGINIA TRIOLI IGNORE THE ESSENTIAL POLL 50-50 RESULT...AND CLOSE MORGAN POLL RESULT WHEN DUMPING ON THE GOVT BY USING POLLS. TRIOLI HAS MADE HER DISLIKE OF RUDD VERY CLEAR IN THE PAST. MICHAEL ROWLAND'S WIFE WORKS FOR NEWS LTD...HE WAS IN WASHINGTON DURING 9/11. HE BRINGS UP MUSLIM CONFLICT EVERY DAY...HMMM. WE ALL KNOW LATIKA BOURKE HAS HAD A PROBLEMATIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ALP FOR YONKS. N'

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22/08/2013 [b]I've worked with a couple of young blokes in my time in the building trade and he exhuibits that same vague, slow-response time hesitancy that is the hallmark of "punch-drunk" ex-pugilists. [/b] JAYCEE, IT'S INTERESTING YOU MENTIONED THAT...MY WIFE THOUGHT SAME WHEN HE HAD THAT WEIRD HEAD NODDING MELTDOWN. I THOUGHT FOR AGES HE WAS IN THE EARLY STAGES OF PARKINSON'S. IT SEEMS EVERY TIME HE IS UNDER REAL PRESSURE HE HAS AN ODD REACTION. YOU COULD SEE HIM TRYING TO CALM HIMSELF DOWN LAST NIGHT AFTER HIS OUTBURST...THE SWEAT POURED DOWN HIS FOREHEAD...HE REALLY LOOKED FAZED...AND LOST FOR A PERIOD. MAKES YOU WONDER IF THIS IS ONE REASON WHY ABBOTT HAS BEEN MOLLYCODDLED BY HIS ADVISORS AND ALLIED PRESS...THEY DON'T LIKE TO TAKE RISKS WITH HIM. HE CAN GET QUITE STUMPED...OR AGRO WHEN REALLY PUT UNDER PRESSURE...HE REALLY DOESN'T DEAL WELL WITH PEOPLE WHO PUT INTENSE PRESSURE ON HIM...DOESN'T COPE WITH SCRUTINY OF POLICIES WELL. TENDS TO GET ANNOYED AND LASH OUT. OR GET CONFUSED...OR MAKE SOME DOPEY JOKE TO DISTRACT. N'

jaycee

22/08/2013Nasking...agreed....Look, everybody..for our own protection when near him....DON'T RING A BELL!!!

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22/08/2013 YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THIS WAS WEIRD...AND WORRYING... [b]Tony Abbott's bizzarre 28 second silence following "Shit Happens[/b] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ TAKING INTO ACCOUNT RECENT TIMES ABBOTT HAS GOT CONFUSED OR IRRITABLE OR THE RECENT 'DOESN'T HE EVER SHUT UP?' OUTBURST...INCLUDE HIS WEIRD ATTEMPT TO RACE OUT OF THE PARLIAMENT LIKE SOME EXCITED KID...YOU CAN'T HELP IF WE ARE NOT BEING TOLD THE WHOLE STORY. I HAVE BEEN WORRIED ABOUT THIS GUY FOR AGES...THOSE RANTS IN PARLIAMENT... THE WAY HOCKEY OR SPEERS OR OTHERS HAVE TO INTERRUPT AND COVER UP FOR HIM. THE MSM NEED TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON ABBOTT. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG. IT'S A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR. IS ABBOTT ON ANY KIND OF MEDICATION? IF THIS WAS THE AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL RACE THE LEADER'S HEALTH AND MEDICATION WOULD BE OPEN TO SCRUTINY.

jaycee

22/08/2013Perhaps that is why Credlin follows him around...Like the Hemmingway story "The Battler" about the punch-drunk boxer who has to be "coshed" by his "keeper" when he loses it...to bring him back into reality.....where does Credlin stash the "cosh'?..in Tony's fridge?

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22/08/2013 I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED TOO IF ABBOTT IS TAKING STEROIDS OR SOME KIND OF BOOSTER BEFORE HIS BIG CYCLING, RUNNING, SWIMMING EVENTS? HE SEEMS TO WALK QUITE STIFFLY AT TIMES...YET DOESN'T SHOW IT MUCH WHEN COMPETING SEEMS TO HAVE TOO MUCH ENERGY FOR A MAN IN HIS MID FIFTIES...WHO SITS AROUND PARLIAMENT A LOT...AND WRITING A LOT. IT IS ODD. N'

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22/08/2013 [b]Perhaps that is why Credlin follows him around...Like the Hemmingway story "The Battler" about the punch-drunk boxer who has to be "coshed" by his "keeper" when he loses it...to bring him back into reality.....where does Credlin stash the "cosh'?..in Tony's fridge?[/b] JAYCEE, YOU COULD BE ONTO SOMETHING. N'

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22/08/2013 THIS AVOIDING PRESSURE AND SCRUTINY BY ABBOTT...AND GETTING IRRITABLE HAS BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME: Abbott's biffo with Roxon - Australian election 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNlspq--QJ4 WHY DO THE MEDIA GENERALLY IGNORE THIS?

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22/08/2013 HERE IT IS AGAIN...WHEN CONFRONTED BY THE CHASER TEAM ABBOTT'S RESPONSE IS CONFUSED AND SLOW... HE GOES 'AND AND AND'...LIKE HIS BRAIN IS STUCK. HE LOOKS STIFF. THE SAME HAPPENED LAST NIGHT JUST BEFORE THE OUTBURST...HE REPEATS SOMETHING LIKE 'HEY HEY HEY' WHEN RUDD INITIALLY CONFRONTS HIM...MOVES TOWARDS HIM: Tony Abbott confronted by Craig from the Chaser Team about debt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABtlI2Wk3Ws&feature=related IMAGINE IF THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ABBOTT...IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION...OR WHEN DEALING WITH OVERSEAS DIPLOMATS...COULD BE A DISASTER. IS THEIR A COVERUP HERE?

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22/08/2013 SHOULD BE: [b]IS THERE A COVERUP GOING ON HERE? [/b]

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22/08/2013 YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LIB MARK SCOTT'S ABC'S OBSESSION WITH UK TORIES TODAY AND YESTERDAY...THIS CONSTANT BRINGING UP OF MUSLIM VS MUSLIM HOSTILITY TO KNOW WTF IS GOING ON HERE. ABBOTT IS THEIR MAN IN AUSTRALIA TO EXPAND THE WAR ON TERROR...THE NEXT OBVIOUS REGIME TO BE CHANGED IS THE SYRIAN ONE... IT'S ALL CONNECTED TO THE OBSESSION WITH GETTING IRAN...INCREMENTAL STEPS. THIS IS WHY THE ABC SPRUIKS MURDOCH'S NEWS LTD SO MUCH...EVEN LEIGH SALES ON 7:30 HAS WORKED FOR MURDOCH'S THE PUNCH BLOG. MURDOCH'S EMPIRE HAS PUSHED HARD ON THE IRAQ WAR, THE NEED TO STOP NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION IN IRAN...AND THE WAR ON TERROR GENERALLY. THE OTHER DAY MURDOCH SUPPORTED A RABBI WHO ATTACKED MUSLIM AUSSIES AND SAID WE SHOULD END MULTICULTURALISM... MURDOCH HAS HAD MEETINGS WITH LONDON TORY MAYOR BORIS JOHNSON... WHO HAS BEEN IN AUSTRALIA OF LATE? BORIS JOHNSON. INTERVIEWED BY WHO? LEIGH SALES. BORIS ON HIS BIKE MAKES THE FRONT PAGE OF THE HERALD SUN. WHO ELSE LOVES CYCLING? ABBOTT. WHO ELSE WAS SPRUIKED CYCLING BY THE MURDOCH EMPIRE AND CLONES? GW BUSH...MR. IRAQ FIASCO...MR. WAR ON TERROR. WHO OWNS SHARES IN A NUMBER OF AMERICAN CORPORATIONS...AND MURDOCH'S EMPIRE? A WELL KNOWN SAUDI PRINCE. WHICH COUNTRY IS TERRIFIED OF A NUCLEAR ARMED IRAN? SAUDI ARABIA. ABBOTT IS THEIR MAN...LIKE GW BUSH WAS...LIKE BLAIR AND HOWARD WERE...LIKE BORIS JOHNSON IS. BELIEVE IT. ABBOTT THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADER...THE PERFECT CHOICE FOR HELPING EXPAND THE WAR ON TERROR. AND MURDOCH EMPIRE...AND SAUDI OIL INFLUENCE. AND FCKING CLEAN ENERGY.

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22/08/2013 THE USE OF THE BIKE IS A RUSE TO GIVE THESE BOUGHT LEADERS AN AIR OF CARING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT... WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES. NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT. WAKE UP AUSTRALIA...BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, THESE WARS ARE TOO COSTLY IN LIVES AND TAXPAYERS MONEY...UNJUSTIFIED...AND DIVIDE OUR COMMUNITIES. JUST WHAT THE CORPORATE PROFITEERS WANT. KERCHING!

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22/08/2013 MURDOCH'S SKY NEWS IS POSSIBLY LYING ABOUT THE DEBATE AUDIENCE RESULTS GIVING IT TO ABBOTT... APPARENTLY SKY NEWS POSTED A BIG VICTORY TO RUDD EARLIER IN THE NIGHT ON THE ABC SITE...BUT IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN AFTER A FEW MINUTES...AND THEN SPEERS LOOKED AWKWARD AND GAVE A DIFFERENT RESULT FAVOURING ABBOTT.

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22/08/2013 LYN, THNX FOR THE LINKS...GOING THRU THEM NOW...SEEMS CH 7 AUDIENCE GAVE THE DEBATE WIN TO RUDD. BTW, WHAT A JOKE LISTENING TO THE NATIONAL PARTY LEADER TALKING ABOUT TRUCK AND ROAD SAFETY... DURING THE HOWARD ERA THEY LEFT SO MANY ROADS, HIGHWAYS TO DETERIORATE... AND SO MANY TRUCK DRIVERS WERE TAKING DRUGS TO STAY AWAKE AND THEIR TRUCKS WERE RIGGED RELATED TO SPEED... IT WAS THE ALP THAT BEGAN TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES. [b]I SEE WAR-MONGER JOHN HOWARD IS OUT THERE NOW,,,HE ALWAYS SHOWS UP WHEN ABBOTT IS IN TROUBLE.[/b] [b]HOWARD WAS A MAN OF NEGLECT AND DECEIT TOO. HE NEGLECTED THIS COUNTRY...KOWTOWED TO BUSH AND MURDOCH...STARTED THE VILIFICATION OF MUSLIMS...AND JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN AMERICA FOR 9/11...HMMM...[/b] N'

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22/08/2013 [b]IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THE WAR CRIMINALS HOWARD AND MURDOCH ARE OUT THERE DESPERATELY TRYING TO SAVE THE ARSE OF CHRISTIAN CRUSADER TONY ABBOTT. [/b]

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22/08/2013 LYN, I AGREE WITH TOM CLARK @ THE CONVERSATION...MY WIFE FELT EXACTLY THE SAME...SHE THOUGHT THE INITIALLY SOFTLY SPOKEN ABBOTT (LIKE AN AMERICAN EVANGELIST OR MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER USING THAT SOFTLY SPOKEN SINCERITY STYLE TO SEDUCE THE GULLIBLE) THEN GOT NASTY, IRRITABLE AND UNCOMFORTABLE: [b]Rudd was much more energetic than last time, though, and Abbott was conspicuously nastier. At one stage he openly slagged: “Does this guy ever shut up?” Not that he forsook his own chance to squeeze a comment in immediately afterwards. Given the dysfunctionality of the conversation, the vagueness of the arguments exchanged, it is those personality impressions that will stay with people from this debate. So it is a points victory for the incumbent prime minister tonight. He needs more of them, and bigger ones, in the days ahead. [/b] http://theconversation.com/rudd-vs-abbott-peoples-forum-experts-respond-17327 ABBOTT IS A CON MAN...THE AUSSIE VOTERS NEED TO WAKE UP TO THIS GUY'S HIDDEN PLANS. [b]MANY WERE FOOLED BY SO CALLED 'HONEST JOHN'...DON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN.[/b]

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22/08/2013 INTERESTING THAT HOWARD IS SO BIG ON PUSHING ABBOTT CONSIDERING ABBOTT WAS CONVENIENTLY OPPOSED TO WORKCHOICES: [b]In 2006, with the government now controlling both houses of parliament for the first time since the Fraser era, industrial relations changes were enacted. Named "WorkChoices" and championed by Howard, they were intended to fundamentally change the employer-employee relationship. Opposed by a broad trade union campaign and antipathy within the electorate, WorkChoices was subsequently seen as a major factor in the government's 2007 election loss[/b]. WIKIPEDIA NOTE, TONY ABBOTT DESPISES THE UNIONS. THE LNP IN QLD ARE TRYING PRESENTLY TO UNDERMINE THE POWER OF THE UNIONS. HOWARD IS PRESENTLY IN QLD. NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT.

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22/08/2013 YOU CAN TELL BY THE ABBOTT ALLIED MEDIA'S DESPERATE TONE AND AGGRESSIVE QUESTIONING OF RUDD THAT THE COALITION ARE IN A PANIC. WHEELS FALLING OFF ABBOTT'S CAMPAIGN. THE TACTICS ARE GETTING DIRTIER...WILL GET EVEN DIRTIER. WE KNOW WHAT THE MURDOCH EMPIRE AND CLONES ARE LIKE. SAY AND DO ANYTHING TO WIN. LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY DIVIDING EFFORTS...THE GROTESQUE FRONT PAGES.

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22/08/2013 LOL. GEORGE BRANDIS SAYING ALL RUDD DOES IS TALK. THE COALITION REALLY ARE WORRIED AND SPINNING. I CAN'T THINK OF THREE BIGGER NEGABORES THAN ABBOTT, HOWARD AND BRANDIS (THE DOBBER)... THEY WANT TO SHUT RUDD UP. TELLS YOU SOMETHING.

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22/08/2013 THIS 'CHEMICAL WEAPONS' STUFF SOUNDS SO REMINISCENT OF THE BUILDUP TO THE IRAQ WAR. IT'S POSSIBLE...BUT WHY WOULD THE SYRIAN REGIME USE THEM KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED TO IRAQ??? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. NEEDS REAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING. JUST IN CASE. [b]WE DON'T WANT TO GET FOOLED AGAIN BY THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS, SAUDIS, NEO-CONS, MURDOCH EMPIRE, ISREAL LOBBY MEDIA AND CORPORATE PROFITEERS.[/b] RUDD WANTS TO BE CAUTIOUS...WE KNOW HE WAS IN BED WITH MURDOCH AND THE WAR-MONGERS PREVIOUSLY...UNTIL THEY ATTACKED HIM. ABBOTT HOWEVER IS A CHRISTIAN CRUSADER THRU AND THRU...BACKED BY WAR-MONGERS HOWARD AND MURDOCH.

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22/08/2013 Should be: [b]WE DON'T WANT TO GET FOOLED AGAIN BY THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS, SAUDIS, NEO-CONS, MURDOCH EMPIRE, ISRAEL LOBBY MEDIA AND CORPORATE PROFITEERS.[/b] I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS NOW ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF CNN'S ANDERSON-COOPER -------- [b]THAT SKY NEWS MAKEUP ARTIST SOUNDS LIKE A COMPLETE BULLSHITTER...I SAID THE MURDOCH EMPIRE WOULD GET DIRTY. WE NEED TO BRING THEM DOWN ONCE AND FOR ALL. [/b]

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22/08/2013 THIS OBSESSION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH I SUSPECT HAS TO DO WITH SETTING UP FOR FUTURE WAR... THE ENCIRCLEMENT OF CHINA. THESE CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS AND NEO-CONS WANT TO USE THE NORTH AS A RESOURCE BASE AND LAUNCHING PAD FOR THEIR FUTURE WAR. THEY WILL INCREASE THE MILITARY BUDGET BIG TIME WHILST PUSHING MORE AND MORE KIDS INTO THEIR MILITARY STYLE CAMPS AND RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDA SCHOOLS... THE INDIGINIOUS AND UNEMPLOYED WILL BE PUSHED INTO MINING, CATTLE AND MI,ITARY AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAMS AND SCHEMES TO BUILDUP FOR WAR... THE NATIONAL EDUCATION CURRICULUM WILL FOCUS ON THE WARS AND TAKE MORE OF AN ANGLO-CENTRIC FOCUS...AND NATIONALISM. THERE WILL BE A FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE BROUGHT IN BY WAY OF A COMPULSORY COMMUNITY SERVICE SCHEME... THIS IS WHY THEY ARE DESPERATE TO GET THE LIKES OF EX-MILITARY MAL BROUGH IN. THIS IS A FANATICAL, DANGEROUS COALITION WITH A HIDDEN AGENDA. THE WAR WILL NOT STOP WITH SYRIA, IRAN, YEMEN...THE GOAL IS CHINA...REGIME CHANGE.

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22/08/2013 LOOK AT THE SUPPORTERS OF ABBOTT...SO MANY ARE VERY RELIGIOUS...OR MILITARY...OR CORPORATE ARISTOCRATS WHO SUPPORT THE WAR ON TERROR, MANY INVOLVED WITH THE WAR-MONGERING MURDOCH MEDIA TOO. SUS. A FEW IN THE ALP ARE WORRYING TOO...COULD GO EITHER WAY...UHLMANN'S WIFE...RUDD...SHORTEN...FOR STARTERS,

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22/08/2013 REGARDING THIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS CLAIM...YES, THE FOOTAGE IS AWFUL...IF SYRIA HAS COMMITTED THIS CRIME THEN SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE... BUT: MIKEHILLIARD…WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS: The timing of this sensational report is also suspect, as the UN chemical inspection team had just arrived in Damascus and had checked into a hotel only a few miles away from last night’s alleged never gas incident. Although the headlines we see across media today appear to be definitive, when you read the fine print, it’s anything but final, as evidenced by the Reuters coverage: “Reuters was not able to verify the accounts independently and they were denied by Syrian state television, which said they were disseminated deliberately to distract a team of United Nations chemical weapons experts which arrived three days ago.” “Logically, it would make little sense for the Syrian government to employ chemical agents at such a time, particularly given the relatively close proximity of the targeted towns (to the U.N. team),” said Charles Lister, analysts at IHS Jane’s Terrorism and Insurgency Center.” Who benefits from staging a chemical weapons event in Syria? Answer: the opposition. The West’s has already announced it ambiguous “red line”, stating that its policy will be to intervene militarily if either side is thought to be using chemical weapons in Syria – which makes it all to easy for the opposition to get what they want in the end – which is a Libya-style military coalition with NATO, and perhaps Israel, in order to take power in the country. As frustration mounts in Washington, London, Tel Aviv and Paris over their inability to directly arm the opposition insurgents in order to overthrow the Assad government in Syria, the west’s final play may be with somehow convincing the UN to deliver a guilty verdict regarding WMD’s in Syria, and thus, pave the way for a No Fly Zone and sustained bombing campaign against the country of Syria. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35925.htm THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN FOOLED BEFORE. SHORT MEMORIES.

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22/08/2013 ABBOTT LOSING THE PLOT ON TV...ALMOST YELLING 'MR RUDD HAS DONE NOTHING...DONE NOTHING!!!' VERY IRRITABLE. SOUNDS LIKE A SOOK UNDER PRESSURE.

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22/08/2013 ABBOTT’S HEAD SHAKING, NODDING…KEEPS MAKING DRY MOUTH NOISES AND SUCH…FLUSTERED AT TIMES…UNDER PRESSURE. VERY DEFENSIVE.

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22/08/2013 TRYING TO DISARM PRESS BY SILLY HUMOUR...OFT HAPPENS AFTER AN ABBOTT MELTDOWN.

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22/08/2013 IT’S LIKE THE PILLS HAVE KICKED IN NOW…POST-MELTDOWN.

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22/08/2013 BOB CARR HAS DONE RIGHT THING TO CALL FOR FULL INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGED USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN DAMASCUS. CALLS FOR CEASEFIRE...PEACEFUL POLITICAL TRANSITION...MEDICAL ASSISTANCE. WANT A FIRM, DEFINITIVE FINDING...AND WAS SARIN GAS USED?...OR OTHER MEANS? --- TERRIBLE SUFFERING...BUT WE NEED TO KNOW TRUTH... NOT JUST RUSH INTO ANOTHER FIASCO.

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22/08/2013 TELLS YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR WAR ON TERROR, CORPORATE ARISTOCRACY RUN WORLD: [b]Bradley Manning Headed To Prison, While Those Who Authorized Torture Go Free[/b] FORT MEADE, Md. -- Bradley Manning was sentenced to 35 years in prison on Wednesday for releasing 700,000 documents about the United States' worldwide diplomacy and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Manning was a 25-year-old Army private first class at the time of his arrest. He saw himself as an idealist acting to end the wars, and said in online chats with hacker Adrian Lamo that he was particularly concerned about the abuse of detainees in Iraq. No political or military higher-ups have ever been prosecuted for detainee abuse or torture in Iraq, Afghanistan or at Guantanamo Bay. "One of the serious problems with Manning's case is that it sets a chilling precedent, that people who leak information ... can be prosecuted this aggressively as a deterrent to that conduct," said Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel and advocate in Human Rights Watch's U.S. Program. "Shouldn't we be deterring people who commit torture?" Here are some of the individuals who have been involved since 9/11 in detainee abuse and torture, and potential war crimes, and have never been prosecuted. George W. Bush George W. Bush was president when the U.S. invaded Iraq based on faulty intelligence, tortured terror prisoners and conducted extraordinary renditions around the world. "Enhanced interrogation," a Bush administration euphemism for torture, was approved at the highest level. A "principals committee" composed of Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft signed off on the methods. "There are solid grounds to investigate Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Tenet for authorizing torture and war crimes," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, when the group released a report called "Getting Away With Torture" in 2011. Dick Cheney As Bush's vice president, Cheney pushed the nation over to the "dark side," as he called it, in the war on terror. The U.S. used extraordinary renditions to swoop up terror suspects and send them to repressive regimes in places like Syria and Libya for torture. Cheney was the key driver in producing the faulty intelligence that led the U.S. into war in Iraq. And he steadfastly defended the CIA's use of water-boarding and other torture tactics on U.S. prisoners. Cheney "fears being tried as a war criminal," according to Colin Powell's former chief of staff Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, but he never has been. Donald Rumsfeld One of the planners of the Iraq War, Rumsfeld steadfastly maintained while Defense Secretary under Bush that U.S. soldiers did not have an obligation to stop torture being used by their Iraqi counterparts. He also approved of "stripping prisoners naked, hooding them, exposing prisoners to extremes of heat and cold, and slamming them up against walls" at Guantanamo. While deployed to Iraq, Manning discovered that Iraqi soldiers had arrested members of a political group for producing a pamphlet called "Where Did the Money Go?" decrying corruption in the cabinet of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. "‘i immediately took that information and *ran* to the officer to explain what was going on," Manning wrote in the chat logs. "he didn’t want to hear any of it … he told me to shut up and explain how we could assist the FPs in finding *MORE* detainees." George Tenet and CIA torturers Tenet was the CIA chief who told Bush that the case for war with Iraq was a "slam dunk." Under his watch, the CIA waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. Further down the chain of command at the spy agency, lower-level officers have escaped prosecution for killing a prisoner in Iraq and one in Afghanistan in CIA custody. Attorney General Eric Holder in 2012 ruled out prosecuting anyone responsible for those deaths. In sharp contrast, former CIA agent John Kiriakou is currently serving a 30-month sentence for revealing to reporters the names of interrogators involved in detainee abuse. Abu Ghraib higher-ups Although low-level soldiers like former Army Reserve Specialist Lynndie England were court-martialed for their role in detainee abuse at this notorious prison in Iraq, graphically illustrated in photos, the only officer prosecuted in the case had his conviction tossed out. A 2009 Senate Armed Services Committee report found that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were not the result of a few unmonitored bad apples but rather the direct result of "enhanced interrogation" practices approved of by officials much higher up in the Bush administration. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/bradley-manning-prison_n_3789867.html DESPICABLE! N'

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22/08/2013 ALSO [b]INDONESIA VISITED BY KISSINGER...ANOTHER WAR CRIMINAL... AND INTERESTINGLY INDONESIA ONLY STOPS THE BOATS FOR THE COALITION, [/b] SUS. I THINK WE KNOW WHO WANTS RID OF OUR GOVERNMENT. DEMOCRACY IN AUSTRALIA BEING SCREWED OVER... AGAIN.

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22/08/2013 ABBOTT GONNA STOP TOBACCO DONATIONS...ABOUT BLOODY TIME. SEEMS THE RUDD CAMPAIGN APPROACH IS REALLY STARTING TO BITE. --------- THAT POOR AUSSIE BASEBALLER GETTING SHOT IN AMERICA... REALLY MAKES YA WONDER WHAT THE O'FARRELL NSW LIBERAL GOVT WAS THINKING GIVING THE SHOOTERS' PARTY SO MUCH POWER?

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22/08/2013 THERE SHOULD BE A ROBUST POLICE INVESTIGATION INTO ASHBYGATE. SOME OF THE POLICE ARE ACTING HERE LIKE THOSE IN THE LONDON MET AND ELSEWHERE IN THE UK BEFORE IT WAS REVEALED THEY WERE BEING BRIBED AND USED BY MURDOCH EMPIRE CHARACTERS. THE VICTORIAN POLICE LEAKING INFO TO NEWS LTD OVER TERROR RAID...AND SOME NSW POLICE SUS ATTITUDE AND MOVES RE: CATHOLIC CHURCH CHILD ABUSE HAS ME WORRIED. WE NEED A TOM WATSON...AND A UK STYLE [b]THE GUARDIAN[/b] TEAM.

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22/08/2013Hey Swordsters, have posted my latest poem [b]"Simple Tony says."[/b] :-) http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/simple-tony-says/ Have also opened a new page for my electorate of Fisher, which is central to the Ashbygate saga and the corrupt practices of the LNP candidate Mal Brough. If you know anyone on the Sunny Coast who would like some information about Brough and the what is going on with the Ashbygate saga, please link it to them, as we need to stop Brough from winning this seat. http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/fisher-taken-for-granted/ Cheers :-)

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22/08/2013 THIS IS BECOMING A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE COALITION: [b]Company levy will only cover half of paid parental leave cost, Abbott admits[/b] Pressed by Rudd in the lively debate at the Broncos Leagues Club in Brisbane, Abbott answered the question he and his ministers had been avoiding for days. “The levy will cover about a half of the scheme,” he said, saying that along with money already in the budget to pay for Labor’s less generous scheme and the rolling-in of state schemes, the costings would eventually show his “signature policy” for working women was fully funded. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/paid-parental-leave-cost-abbott LENORE TAYLOR RECKONS ABBOTT WAS OTHERWISE CONFIDENT...RUBBISH! HE SEEMED FAZED AT TIMES...AND SWEAT STREAMED DOWN HIS FACE AT TIMES. I WISH THE MSM WOULD STOP PROTECTING THIS CREEPY CHARACTER.

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22/08/2013 GOOD WORK TS. THIS IS A TOP POST TOO: [b]Paid Maternity Leave for Australia’s Women of Calibre[/b] There are a lot of problems with Abbott’s PPL. It was initially suggested by his unmarried, childless barely past teenage daughters and is so obviously aimed at winning over the votes of wealthy women who work full time. It is supposed to encourage these ‘women of calibre’ to have more kids. Kids who will be raised by nannies and au pairs while mummy races back to her highly paid career as soon as the PPL money runs out. Kids who will be fodder for private schools later on. Money that will help the new parents keep up the payments on the lavish house and the lavish car and the lavish lifestyle at our expense. For those working part-time or as casuals it’s not so great. To get the payment a woman has to prove that she has worked 330 hours – around 1 full day a week – in the 10 months before she had her child. Otherwise she misses out completely and gets the much lower baby bonus instead. Low-paid women could end up getting less than the current system pays. If you earn less than the minimum wage – the basis for the current payment – then you could get less PPL than you do now. More money for the rich, less for the low-paid. Typical. Another twist to Abbott’s PPL. He’s all for using nannies and au pairs to provide government-subsidised child care. Will his ‘women of calibre’ be able to employ 457 workers to provide their in-home childcare? If they can they will, of course, pay these workers peanuts and keep a lot of that subsidy money for themselves. I bet there are already accountants working on ways it could be done. Just to make it that much worse that great big new tax will – no ifs or buts, will – bump up prices across the board. Abbott will be taxing electricity providers, big retailers, insurance companies, fuel companies, transport companies and more and they WILL pass on the cost of his PPL. We will have higher prices in the supermarket, higher electricity prices, higher fuel prices, higher insurance costs – every aspect of daily life will cost more as we all fork out to cover the cost of Abbott’s scheme. More here: http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/08/18/paid-maternity-leave-for-australias-women-of-calibre/comment-page-11/#comment-82819 [b]WHEELS FALLING OFF ABBOTT CAMPAIGN. HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO SOME OF THE LIBS WHO WARNED HIM... THIS IS WHAT HE GETS FOR FAST TREKING POLICY WITHOUT CABINET APPROVAL...A THOUGHT BUBBLE...OR TWELVE.[/b] N'

nasking

22/08/2013 Should be: [b]THIS IS WHAT TONY ABBOTT GETS FOR FAST TRACKING POLICY WITHOUT CABINET APPROVAL...A THOUGHT BUBBLE...OR TWELVE.[/b]

nasking

22/08/2013 [b]EFFECTIVE SPEECH BY BOB HAWKE...DEMOLISHING COALITION ON ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT AND AUSTRALIA'S NATIONAL SECURITY...[/b] BROUGHT UP CURTIN...VIETNAM WAR...IRAQ WAR... [b]WAS IT SHOWN ON THE ABC...OUR PUBLIC BROADCASTER???[/b] NO. WHY WAS IT SHOVED ONTO A DIGITAL CHANNEL ON SKY NEWS? SO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST. WE ALL GOT TO HEAR FROM GW BUSH KOWTOWER JOHN HOWARD THO.

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22/08/2013Hi Lyn Thank you again for a great set of links. It is fascinating to read the variety of opinions about who ‘won’ the debate last evening. The piece on [i]The Conversation[/i] show how varied opinions are, the result I believe of such debates being viewed through the partisan optics of the reviewer. The NBN writers continue to show up the defects in Coalition’s capacity to argue truthfully and logically. I’m now working on next Sunday’s piece.

nasking

22/08/2013 SKY NEWS VERY DESPERATE TO PUSH THIS MAKEUP WOMAN'S VIEWS...TRYING TO DISTRACT FROM THE ABBOTT SCREW UP. ALP NEED TO VIDEO TAPE EVERYTHING BACKSTAGE WHEN RUDD HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH NEWS LTD/SKY NEWS. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A TYPICAL MURDOCH EMPIRE SETUP. THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF THIS STUFF. BTW, REMEMBER WHEN A SKY UK JOURNO PUT A MICROPHONE ON GORDON BROWN? WHY WAS THE MIC PINNED TO BROWN'S COAT? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8649012.stm RUDD WANTS TO BE VERY CAREFUL...THE MURDOCH EMPIRE AND ALLIES WILL USE LOTS OF DIRTY TACTICS TO TRY AND BRING HIM DOWN. ------ LAURA JAYES OF AUSSIE SKY NEWS OFT SUCKS UP TO ABBOTT...ASKS HIM DOROTHY DIXERS, LIB TALKING POINTS QUESTIONS,

paul walter

23/08/2013Didn't bother with it. What I did see confirmed to me that my judgement was correct in evading it. You will get nothing out of Abbott on what he intends to, because they have the cleverly stirred up lower class voters of Western Sydney and Perth onside and they are the ones that (are too thick) would run from a pro Abbott vote in horror if they really ever worked it out.

paul walter

23/08/2013Nasking, they (ABC Morning)are dummies and cowards, as yesterday mornings funny- games reporting of Assange's problems indicated.

lyn

23/08/2013Today’s Links Talking about my generation by @Vic_Rollison I support Labor. No, it doesn’t mean I love Kevin Rudd – but I would be overjoyed if he wins this election. Yes, I support most Labor Party policies, but not all of them. Yes, I was devastated about what happened to Julia Gillard, and I’ll be upset about this for as long as I live. No, this doesn’t mean I’ll give up on the Labor Party. http://victoriarollison.com/2013/08/22/talking-about-my-generation/ Election 2013- Day 18 (or, The moment I wake up, Before I put on my makeup…) by @GrogsGamutToday, the day after the second debate, the election campaign was a bit muted. Maybe it was because there was a story that the make-up artist for the debate last night thought Rudd was rude (or at least not as polite as Abbott). http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ Time For Rudd To Work His Comeback Mojo by @beneltham there was a flash of Abbott anger, when he snapped at the Prime Minister, “does this guy ever shut up?” There were some nervous laughs from the crowd, but the moment was also shared around social media and replayed on the television news this morning. Of course, nothing can stop the Murdoch newspapers from attacking the Prime Minister. https://newmatilda.com//2013/08/22/time-rudd-work-his-comeback-mojo Leaders debate redux by @macro_business video seems a fair enough assessment of last night’s return leaders debate. The policy vacuity is howlingly obvious, again leaving us to ponder whose makeup we like best. Let me just say in passing that this video also shows why TV tends to employee hot young things as presenters. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/leaders-debate-redux/ Mexican Night at people’s Forum by @TheHoopla I’m going to call this for Mr Rudd – he was across the content, he was comfortable and engaged with the audience. Mr Abbott landed his lines (and his hits), but seemed a little at sea on some of the detailed policy answers and marginally less comfortable. He did get out his “shut-up” line, which was probably his main goal. http://thehoopla.com.au/debate-guys-ever-shut-up/ Don’t these guys ever shut up? How Tony Abbott reignited the gender debate without realising it by @ConversationEDU This wasn’t just down to the gender politics of the media. But last night we saw how smoothly these politics slot into what we think of as entertainment. If Abbott’s quip seems run-of-the-mill, that’s precisely the problem. A pugilistic male politician telling his opponent to shut up is what passes for wit. Today, Julia Gillard is owed an apology. http://theconversation.com/dont-these-guys-ever-shut-up-how-tony-abbott-reignited-the-gender-debate-without-realising-it-17339 Campaign scorecard: a Ruddy good debate (make-up aside) by @crikey_news Crikey asks the sharpest political commentators which leader got the best of the campaigning day yesterday, plus we track where the leaders are and what cash promises they’ve made … http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/22/campaign-scorecard-a-ruddy-good-debate-make-up-aside/?wpmp_switcher=mobile TV make-up artist slams Rudd’s ‘rudeness’ following leaders debate by @mumbrella , @nicchristensen While Fontana is a freelance make-up artist her employer for the event this morning issued a statement saying:Sky News has been made aware of comments posted on social media by a freelance make-up artist used at the Broncos Leagues Club last night.“The individual is not a Sky News staff member.“The comments posted were extremely unprofessional . http://mumbrella.com.au/make-up-artist-slams-rudds-rudeness-following-leaders-debate-173987 Mr Infrastructure, his PPL and our NBN by @wolfcat Mr Infrastructure is off to a bad start, given he got lost in upper upper middle class welfare handouts. Taking a leaf out of Howards book, he thinks giving tax breaks and massive cash handouts to the rich is the best thing he can do, he kind of forgot to invest in infrastructure and all this before he has even become PM. http://www.wolfcat.com.au/randomrants/2013/08/postid-2485/ Ending Political Tobacco Donations May Not Be So Easy by @mwyres I am undecided as to whether actively preventing tobacco companies from making political donations is a fair thing to do – (after all, being a democracy, everyone should have the right to donate as they see fit) – but given the massive cost burden smoking and related illnesses places http://michaelwyres.com/2013/08/ending-political-tobacco-donations-may-not-be-so-easy/ The cost of living furphy by @TheKouk For this average household and frankly millions like them, the cost of living issue is a complete furphy, a lie and a distortion that sounds appealing but is baseless in fact. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-22/koukoulas-the-cost-of-living-furphy/4904924 Looking back on the day Tony Abbott became the first federal minister to be ejected from the Australian Parliament in 40 years by @no_filter_Yamba Mr ALBANESE: We are not going to take lectures about parliamentary behaviour from this Leader of the Opposition, who is the only member of parliament to ever be thrown out of parliament for physically confronting a Vietnam vet with no legs http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/looking-back-on-day-tony-abbott-became.html Business levy shortfall raises doubt about Abbott parental leave plan By Lenore Taylor Senator Mathias Cormann, told ABC Radio on Thursday morning that another $2bn or more would come from abolishing Labor’s existing less generous scheme and rolling in state and local government schemes, as well as from extra personal tax paid and lower family tax benefit payments. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/22/business-levy-shortfall-parental-leave Coalition losing Qld support: poll by Business Spectator The coalition is in danger of losing up to four seats around Brisbane following a surge of Queensland support for Labor, an analysis of Newspoll surveys shows. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/8/22/election/coalition-losing-qld-support-poll Saving your Senate vote by @independentaus So in this election, when you walk into the voting both and go to fill in the daunting Senate ballot paper, you might like to make a little mistake and save your vote from flowing onto either Tweedledum or Tweedledee. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/saving-your-senate-vote/ Youth vote with their feet by @LarvatusProdeo In the Senate too a few votes could mean a lot. Steve Austin on ABC Local in Brisbane yesterday interviewed Glenn Druery from Independent Liaison who has been called “the preference whisperer”. He advises minor parties on their best chances of election via preferences. http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/08/youth-vote-with-their-feet/ Clive Palmer says Mal Brough asked him to fund case against Peter Slipper by theguardian. He [Brough] said to me we needed to destroy Peter Slipper," Palmer said of the April 2012 meeting at his Sunshine Coast resort. "He said he had all the evidence to put Peter Slipper away for a very long time." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/22/clive-palmer-mal-brough-fund-peter-slipper?CMP=twt_gu NBN: Numbers from the Turnbull Copper/Node Plan by @SteveJ_CBR Treating the NBN as a normal policy is wholly misleading. It's a business, pure and simple. Money is being borrowed to invest, meaning it must both break-even and pay-back, in full, and go onto make a Return on Investment (ROI). http://stevej-on-nbn.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/nbn-numbers-from-turnbull-coppernode.html#more Proof Of The Pudding Is In The Eating by @sortius I thought I’d kick things back a bit & describe some of the ways we will be using the Internet in the coming years, & why it’s so vital to have fibre infrastructure read for the impending data boom. http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3291 Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 23 August 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

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23/08/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

paul walter

23/08/2013It is always soothing to read somewhere of Brough being figuratively button-holed by someone or other. What a creature!

nasking

23/08/2013 GOOD MORNING LYN AND AD...AND FELLOW COMMENTORS, STACEY SAID THIS MORNING THAT IF ONE OF THE LEADERS HAD COME INTO A SCHOOL AND FORGOTTEN TO SHAKE HER HAND OR WHATEVER, SHE WOULD NEVER CONSIDER POSTING HER VIEWS ON FACEBOOK...VERY UNPROFESSIONAL. THE FACT THE MAKE-UP ARTIST WAS SO OVER-THE-TOP IN HER CRITICISM TELLS STACE THAT EITHER THIS WOMAN ALREADY HAD A BIAS AND IS AN EXTREMELY TOUCHY PERSON (PERHAPS LOOKING FOR A SLIGHT TO CONFIRM HER VIEWS)... OR THE WHOLE THING IS A SETUP. EITHER WAY, IT LOOKS PREDICTABLE YET SUSPICIOUS THAT THE DAILY TELEGRAPH USED IT ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT COMES ACROSS LIKE A PLANNED CHARACTER ASSASSINATION. --------- PAUL WALTER, MY WIFE TELLS ME NOT TO WATCH ABC 24...SHE THINKS IT PUTS MY BLOOD PRESSURE UP. I'VE PROMISED HER THAT ONCE THIS ELECTION IS OVER WE TAKE A BIG BREAK FROM THE NEWS...WELL, AT LEAST FROM ABOUT A WEEK AFTER WE GET THE RESULT AND SEE WHO WILL BE THE TEAM LEADING THIS COUNTRY. I FIND IT SO SAD THAT KEVIN RUDD IS TREATED SO POORLY BY MANY ON ABC 24 WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AND EXPAND THE CHANNEL OCCURRED UNDER HIS WATCH. BUT I GUESS THESE CHARACTERS THINK THEY ARE CELEBRITIES NOW AND PART OF THE ELITE...THEY HAVE NO TIME FOR THE WORKERS' PARTY. THEY WILL GET A SHOCK AFTER THE ELECTION WHEN SO MANY OF THE LEFT TURN OFF IF THE ALP LOSE. I THINK THE MURDOCH EMPIRE WILL LOSE A LOT OF READERS TOO. N'

nasking

23/08/2013 [b]It is always soothing to read somewhere of Brough being figuratively button-holed by someone or other. What a creature![/b] PAUL WALTER, THE FACT THAT MAL BROUGH'S ODIOUS ATTEMPTS TO BRING DOWN A FELLOW POLITICIAN WITH THE HELP OF FELLOW CONSPIRATORS IS NOT BEING ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATED TELLS US THE PARLOUS STATE OF OUR NEWS MEDIA AND POLICE SYSTEM. SADLY, I THINK THE TIES BETWEEN THE POLITICIANS, POLICE AND MEDIA IS TOO CLOSE...AS IT WAS IN THE UK. HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE ONE BRAVE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER OR TWELVE WILL EXPOSE THE PROBLEM. GEORGE BRANDIS' RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM COMES ACROSS AS WORRYING CONSIDERING HE COULD BE THE NEXT ATTORNEY-GENERAL. HE SEEMS FAR TOO EAGER TO PERSECUTE HIS OPPOSITION.

nasking

23/08/2013 LYN, THNX FOR THE LINKS...THIS FROM ANDY RUDDOCK: But former prime minister Julia Gillard’s experiences suggest that the medium’s old reflexes are still there, like some sort of patriarchal Arthurian legend, ready to go to work when the situation demands. The fable goes like this: women, stay where you are, keep society as it is, we will protect you. And you will be punished if you try to be different. Whatever your political persuasion, it’s hard not to see that in Gillard’s political demise. Australia’s first female prime minister was subjected to unprecedented personal ridicule, and her deceased father was insulted. When she complained of gender bias, this was dismissed as nothing but the forlorn hope of an opportunist who had run out of luck. The idea that she might have a point was laughed at. Today, Gillard must be tempted to say “told you so”. But she won’t, because in the end she was silenced: symbolically annihilated. This wasn’t just down to the gender politics of the media. But last night we saw how smoothly these politics slot into what we think of as entertainment. If Abbott’s quip seems run-of-the-mill, that’s precisely the problem. A pugilistic male politician telling his opponent to shut up is what passes for wit. Today, Julia Gillard is owed an apology. http://theconversation.com/dont-these-guys-ever-shut-up-how-tony-abbott-reignited-the-gender-debate-without-realising-it-17339 MY WIFE AND I WERE LOOKING BACK ON THE GILLARD GOVT ERA LAST WEEKEND...AND THE WAY THE PM WAS TREATED DOES LEAVE A BAD TASTE IN OUR MOUTHS... YET IT DIDN'T SURPRISE US THAT UGLY AUSTRALIA HAD ANOTHER DAY IN THE SUN... WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY...FROM THE WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY TO THE VIETNAM WAR TO THE HANSON XENOPHOBIC WAVE TO THE CRONULLA RIOTS TO THE 'DITCH THE WITCH' RALLY, WE HAVE THIS HABIT OF EXPRESSING INSECURITY AND SELFISHNESS IN AN EXTREMELY MEAN, COLD-HEARTED WAY...AND FINGER-POINTING THAT INVOLVES DISTANCING ONESELF FROM ANY EMPATHY FOR THE VILLIFIED... TURNING THE VILIFIED INTO 'ITS'...RATHER THAN PEOPLE. SADLY, WE HAVE HAVE SOME VERY WEALTHY MEN IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE VERY ADEPT AT FEEDING THIS VILIFICATION AND MEAN, COLD-HEARTEDNESS...AND PROFITING FROM IT... JOHN SINGLETON, RUPERT MURDOCH, ALAN JONES....THESE THREE ALWAYS STAND OUT FOR ME... I FIND THEM TO BE EXTREMELY WILY, LOATHSOME CHARACTERS. IF I WERE JULIA GILLARD...I WOULD SLAP THEM IN THE FACE. ABBOTT TOO. I DOUBT MANY WOULD FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. RICH AND POWERFUL BULLY BOYS DOMINATE AUSTRALIA...SADLY...AND THE WOMEN WHO RESPECT THEM FOR THEIR TUFFNESS. TOO MANY ARE CHARMED, DUPED, CONNED, FRIGHTENED BY THEM. THEY'VE BEEN FEEDING UGLY AUSTRALIA FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS FOR A LONG TIME. TIME THE PUBLIC WOKE UP...AND GAVE SOME BACK. N'

nasking

23/08/2013 AND YA KNOW WHAT? I'D LIKE TO SEE A GROUP OF SEAWORTHY BOATS AND SHIPS CREWED BY ABORIGINES GO TO INDONESIA AND PICK UP THOUSANDS OF ASYLUM SEEKERS AND BRING THEM BACK TO AUSTRALIA... BY INVITATION FROM THE FIRST PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEY WERE THE FIRST FLEET... SEE HOW THE WHITE AUSTRALIANS LIKE IT.

nasking

23/08/2013 WHY DO AUSSIE MUMS ALWAYS EXPECT TO BE SUBSIDISED? DON'T THEY ALREADY GET REBATES ON CHILDCARE, A SCHOOL KIDS BONUS, OTHER FAMILY BENEFITS? DO THEY REALISE THAT CHILDLESS WOMEN LIKE MY WIFE HAVE TO SUBSIDISE THEM? I SEE SO MANY MOTHERS AT THE MALL OR IN THE CAR PARKS FEEDING THEIR CHILDREN CRAP, BLOWING SMOKE ON THEM, IGNORING THEM AS THEY YELL OR HAVE SNOT DRIPPING FROM THEIR NOSES... WHY SHOULD MY WIFE AND OTHERS HAVE TO SUBSIDISE SUCH SLACK MOTHERS? MY WIFE GIVES TO CHILDREN'S CHARITIES...SHE SOMETIMES LOOKS AFTER OUR NEPHEW...SHE DOES HEAPS FOR THE KIDS AT SCHOOL...SHE BUYS BIRTHDAY GIFTS EVERY YEAR FOR SOME OF THE OTHER TEACHERS' CHILDREN... YET GOVT THINKS SHE DOESN'T EXIST. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS GETTING VOTES FROM BOTH GOOD MUMS...AND BAD MUMS, IT'S NOT FAIR. IF POOR ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ARE BEING PUT UNDER PRESSURE FOR THEIR DRINKING BEHAVIOUR, LACK OF SCHOOL ATTENDANCE ETC...THEN WHY ARE THESE BAD MUMS PERMITTED TO TAKE GOVT MONEY WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES?

nasking

23/08/2013 ROFL...I LARFED SO HARD WHEN BILL SHORTEN HELD UP THAT AFR ARTICLE IN WHICH A SENIOR NATIONAL PARTY MEMBER REFERRED TO THE PAID PARENTAL LEAVE AS A '[b]HEAP OF POO'.[/b] SHORTEN SAID IT IN SUCH AN EARNEST WAY...BY GAWD IT GOT ME LARFING OUT LOUD. I NEEDED THAT. IT IS A '[b]HEAP OF POO'.[/b] 'A HEAP OF EXCREMENT ' WELL DONE BILL! :D N'

nasking

23/08/2013 [quote]A BOUNTY SCHEME FOR DODGY BOATS[/quote] CLAIMS SHORTEN. LOL. COME ONE, COME ALL!!! BRING YER DODGY BOATS TO THE DARWIN WHARF AND WE LIBS WILL GIVE YOU GOOD AUSSIE TAXPAYERS' MONEY FOR YER CLUNKERS.

janice

23/08/2013This is the most depressing election campaign I have ever lived through. This country has had three years of good governance led by a high achieving PM backed by a hard working, highly intelligent team. It was a government that withstood every attempt of the odious Murdoch, his media shills and a mob of jackals sitting on the opposition benches to bring it down….until a termite finally gnawed through the foundations. As my No.1 son said last night, he has reached the stage where he no longer cares. We are a nation of whingers wanting everything but unwilling to pay for anything and thus are willing to throw away what we have in case the paddock of bright green saffron thistles next door is really lush rye grass and clover. So, vote for the rolled gold PPL in exchange for no jobs, less wages and conditions, privatised public schools, hospitals and more privatised airports that don’t pay tax, more opencut mines and gas wells to destroy the land, the water and environment.

nasking

23/08/2013 I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE COALITION LUV TO USE PUBLIC SERVANTS HARD-WON CONDITIONS SUCH AS 12 WEEKS MATERNITY LEAVE TO PROVIDE REASONS WHY OTHER WORKERS DESERVE SIX MONTHS PPL. IS IT THE FAULT OF PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES ARE SO DAMN CHEAP THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH ENUFF DECENT SCHEMES CONSIDERING ALL THE PROFITS THEY MAKE? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH PROFITABLE COMPANIES OFFER WHAT TO THEIR FEMALE EMPLOYEES...??? HOW MANY WHO DO HAVE A DECENT PPL SCHEME ARE URGING THE LIBS TO EVENTUALLY DUMP THE LEVY...SO THE TAXPAYERS FOOT THE ENTIRE BILL...AND THEY CAN DUMP THEIR OWN SCHEMES? AND...WITH THIS NEGATIVE FOCUS ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE BY THE COALITION...HOW IS IT GOING TO LOOK WHEN THEY CUT PS JOBS...CUT CONDITIONS...AND THEIR LIB AND LNP STATE MATES CUT PS CONDITIONS AND JOBS...WHILST THEY ARE HANDING OUT BIG TAX CUTS FOR COMPANIES...AND PROVIDING SIX MONTHS PPL TO WOMEN IN BIG BUSINESS? I RECKON THE ABBOTT COALITION ARE HEADING TOWARDS A CLIFF. N'

nasking

23/08/2013 JANICE, WELL SAID. WHAT I FIND VERY ODD IS THE DISCONNECT IN QLDers DISTASTE FOR THE NEWMAN GOVT APPROACH TO GOVERNING (AND I HEAR IT NON-STOP FROM STACEY'S SWING VOTING FAMILY) AND THEIR INTENTION TO DUMP ON THIS GOVT AND SUPPORT A MAN THEY ADMIT THEY DON'T TRUST...NOR LIKE. IT'S BIZARRE. IT GOES TO SHOW ME THAT OUR MSM ARE FULL OF SHIT...ARE LIBERAL PROPAGANDA MERCHANTS...AND TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE EASILY BRAINWASHED BECAUSE OF THEIR SPOILT ATTITUDE AND GULLIBLE NATURES. I AM BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND NOW HOW THE NAZIS GOT SO MUCH POWER. YOU COULD SEE THE SAME BRAINWASHING AND VOTING AGAINST INTERESTS IN 2004 WHEN GW BUSH WON A SECOND ELECTION YET THE WARS WERE A MESS...CORRUPTION AND INCOMPETENCE AND DANGEROUS USE OF NATIONALISM AND SURVEILLANCE WERE OBVIOUS FOR ALL TO SEE. THE AMERICANS ENDED UP WITH AN ECONOMIC CRASH, A DISASTER IN IRAQ, A HORRID RESPONSE TO HURRICANE KATRINA, AND A BADLY DIVIDED COMMUNITY FOR THEIR EFFORT...AND THE DAMAGE CONTINUES TO THIS DAY...OBAMA UNABLE TO ESCAPE THE SHACKLES OF THAT PERIOD. IF ABBOTT WINS AND OTHER AUSSIES COME UP TO ME A WHINGE ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, THE ECONOMY, LACK OF WELL PAID JOBS, SCHOOL PRIVATISATION, BAD PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES, UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING, RECESSION, WARS... I AIN'T LISTENING. UNLESS I KNOW THEY VOTED AGAINST THE COALITION. I HEAR THEM WHINGE AND WHINE ALL THE TIME ABOUT NEWMAN AND THE LNP. WE WARNED THEM. LINE ABBOTT & TEAM UP WITH THE LNP STATES...WHAT DO YOU THINK YER GONNA GET? MORE CUTS, MORE PRIVATISATION, MORE OUTSOURCING, MORE COMPETITION IN YER JOB FROM CHEAP LABOURERS, MORE CHEAP TOXIC GOODS, MORE RELIGIOUS MORALISING, MORE ANIMAL ABUSE, MORE CARS AND TRUCKS ON ROAD KILLING...MORE WARS AND CONFLICTS...MORE CYNICISM AND LESS ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND CLEAN ENERGY...LESS SECURE, WELL PAID JOBS FOR WOMEN, LESS PROTECTIONS IN THE WORKPLACE...LESS AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE AND SCHOOLING... LESS DIVERSITY ON THE PUBLIC BROADCASTERS...MORE FEES FOR SHOWS, IT'S A NO-BRAINER. WHY THE VOTERS ARE SO KEEN FOR ALL THAT IS BEYOND ME. MUST BE THAT MSM BRAINWASHING, N'

42 long

23/08/2013There is no real POLICY residing in the LieNP. They have been too obsessed with getting into power and destroying Labors image that they have NO consistent "CORE" aims to guide them. UNITED ??? Only IF you don't look at their POLICIES??? All over the place. Some are more left than Labor. Picking winners ina market?? More government interference doesn't mix with the concept of minimum government. Can't say Tony has lost his WAY". HE never had a WAY.. AWAY with him. No aim but to get IN.

cornlegendd

23/08/2013Lyn, Thanks so much for the links. All so neatly packaged, you save this tired old bloke a lot of searching. So dependable too. One Link captured me. Talking about my generation http://theaimn.com/2013/08/22/talking-about-my-generation/ Victoria Rollison, writes with such passion and committment. Can that woman put a story together.

bob macalba

23/08/2013Lyn...big big thankyou, lots and lots of links this week and the vibe seems to be trending towards Rudd, their lack of costings are killing them and its so enjoyable watching them bluster and carry on, Labor still seem to be controlling the agenda even though the msm aren't reporting it as such...but we know..don't we.......VINCEREMOS Turned telly over to sky news this morning and the first thing i saw was the caption at the bottom of the screen...... BOWEN--WE NEED TO MAKE SURE CHANGE'S TO THE ECONOMY ARE SMOOTH NOT JAGGERED.......JAGGERED! ANYHOO TO THE BONEHEAD AT SKY WHO PUT UP THE CAPTION http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEgVI-IKpqk cheers

nasking

23/08/2013 [b]VERY CONVENIENT TIMING THAT THE ABC ABRUPTLY PULLS THE PLUG ON RUDD'S BAKERY DOORSTOP WHEN HE STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE POWER OF MURDOCH. PATHETIC BROADCASTER ACTING LIKE ONE OF MURDOCH'S CLONES...YET AGAIN.[/b] I'M SURPRISED THAT SOME IN THE ABC HAVEN'T COMPLAINED PUBLICLY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

nasking

23/08/2013 TYPICAL THAT ALBANESE IS TALKING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ABC ISN'T SHOWING IT BUT SKY NEWS IS... SO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER LOOKING AFTER THE PUBLIC INTEREST. SEEMS THE ABC WOULD PREFER VOTERS WATCH SKY NEWS. PATHETIC!

nasking

23/08/2013 ANYWAY, TALK TURKEY HAS MADE IT CLEAR ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS THAT FEW READ MY COMMENTS SO THERE IS NO POINT ME WASTING MY TIME ANYMORE, IT'S OBVIOUS TOO THAT I HAVE PISSED OFF AD ASTRA, GAWD KNOWS HOW? CHEERS TPS, KEEP ON KEEPING ON.

cornlegend

23/08/2013nasking I think you are a bit of target with these comments WHY DO AUSSIE MUMS ALWAYS EXPECT TO BE SUBSIDISED? ON'T THEY ALREADY GET REBATES ON CHILDCARE, A SCHOOL KIDS BONUS, OTHER FAMILY BENEFITS? DO THEY REALISE THAT CHILDLESS WOMEN LIKE MY WIFE HAVE TO SUBSIDISE THEM? Do you therefore extend that to Why do workers, and others, fund the unemployed, Pensioners. people with disabilities Hopefully, because we are a fair and just society that lends a hand to those in need. Something that is not in the LNP DNA

nasking

23/08/2013 LEFT WING, PERHAPS I SHOULD HAVE PUT THOSE COMMENTS IN CONTEXT. THIS MORNING ON THE ABC 24 A NUMBER OF MOTHERS THOUGHT THEY SHOULD RECEIVE FURTHER SUBSIDIES FOR STARTING UP BUSINESSES ETC. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH POOR MOTHERS GETTING SOME ASSISTANCE...AND I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT SINGLE MUMS NOW HAVE TO RECEIVE THAT DREADFUL NEWSTART PAYMENT... AND OBVIOUSLY MOTHERS AND THEIR CHILDREN LIKE ALL IN SOCIETY DESERVE FREE AND AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION... BUT IT DOES DISTURB ME THAT WE GET THESE CONSTANT DEMANDS BY UPPER MIDDLE CLASS MOTHERS FOR MORE AND MORE HANDOUTS..,WHEN WE NEED TO FOCUS MORE ON CREATING A FAIRER SOCIETY.... THAT INCLUDES MORE SECURE AND WIDER ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE PUSHED SINCE I STARTED BLOGGING DUE TO MY PREVIOUS WORK IN THE DISABILITY SECTOR UNDER THE HAWKE GOVT. AS FOR THE COMMENTS ABOUT MY WIFE...YES, IT DOES SICKEN ME TO SEE BAD MOTHERS BEING GIVEN MORE AND MORE INCENTIVES TO HAVE BABIES...AS HAPPENED UNDER THE HOWARD/COSTELLO GOVT PARTLY DUE TO THAT LUMP SUM BABY BONUS PAYMENT. MY WIFE DESERVES REPRESENTATION TOO. SHE PAYS A LOT OF TAXES...AND SPENDS A LOT OF FREE TIME ON TOP OF SCHOOL TIME HELPING CHILDREN ABUSED AND ILL-FED ETC BY BAD AND NEGLECTFUL AND DISINTERESTED PARENTS. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOTHER SHOULD NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTER IN THE WORLD FOR POLITICIANS. THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SCENE AND FOCUS IS FAR TOO REDUCTIONIST. ANYWAY, PER USUAL THE MAJORITY OF MY USEFUL COMMENTS ARE IGNORED ON HERE SO I CAN BE TARGETED...DUMPED ON. FAIR ENUFF LABOR PEOPLE. YOU'VE MADE YER POINT. WINNING SUPPORTERS IS NOT YOUR STRONG POINT. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOSING. I HOPE THAT ONE DAY A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY RISES THAT I CAN FEEL PROUD VOTING FOR THAT DOES NOT TAKE MY WIFE'S AND MY VOTE FOR GRANTED. THAT HAS SUPPORTERS A LOT WIDER THINKING AND MORE DIPLOMATIC AND APPRECIATIVE OF EFFORT THAN THE MAJORITY OF HARDLINE ALP SUPPORTERS. TO BE HONEST, IT WAS OFTEN THE LIBERALS WHO GAVE ME THE MOST SUPPORT WHEN TEACHING...TOO OFTEN THE ALP SUPPORTERS GAVE ME A HARD TIME BECAUSE I LIKE TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX...PARTICULARLY THE HARDLINE FEMINISTS I FIND TO BE THE MOST BRUTAL, NARROW MINDED AND HYPOCRITICAL. THEY WERE AS BAD AS THE ONE NATION AND NATIONAL PARTY BIGOTS. THE MODERATE LIBS...AND THE GREEN SUPPORTERS TREATED ME THE BEST. ---- BTW, IT MIGHT INTEREST SOME ON HERE THAT NICK MINCHIN HAS GIVEN AWAY THE GAME... HE SAID THAT THE LIBS HAVE NO CHANCE OF GETTING THE PPL THRU THE SENATE. THAT MEANS THE PPL SCHEME IS JUST A CON...TO DUPE SOME WOMEN INTO VOTING FOR THE COALITION. TYPICAL ABBOTT. FULL OF CRAP. CONNING THE VOTERS. I'M OFF. TT CAN HAVE HIS RANT NOW. N'

cornlegend

23/08/2013Nasking, It is a different comment when put in context, as you now have done. I suggest you go back and read what you had written. It was easy to come to the original conclusion that I did, and if you are fair you will realise that. You make some good points. Am I not allowed to comment, when there is something I apparently did not agree with, and even you acknowledged you had written out of context ?

2353

23/08/2013Nas,in response to your 10.43 comment We were discussing the election the other day at work. A swinging voter commented that he didn't like either realistic option for the PM's job. It was like the state election where you either voted for more of the same or an unknown that seemed to understand what people wanted. He voted for the unknown (Newman) and said that this time more of the same was a better bet - after observing what Newman has done. I can see the logic of the thinking process and it may help you with the in-laws. As an aside, this bloke actually did vote for Newman - he's in the Ashgrove electorate.

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23/08/2013In some cases the wrong vote can be disastrous. Abbort is a con man It's all spin with him. say anything to anybody to get their vote depending where you are. Minchin knows his stuff, though I disagree with his politics. He DID give it away and that IS most significant. IT WON"T get through the SENATE. That's one of today's major statements. Abbott covered that later in Darwin by saying that he will have a "mandate" That MANDATE covers everything with the abort. The "NEW" STOP the BOATS is now "Buy the boats." Apparently there is at least 750,000 eligible boats in the Archipelago of Indonesia. I want to start up a boat building business in Indonesia as I reckon it has a very bright future. They also want to put Federal Police into Indonesia and reward 'dobbers". They have 'notified' embassies today, but have they SPOKEN to the relevant countries? IF they haven't this could be the stuff -up that loses them the election This POLICY has been in the making for four years ,( so Morrisson says.) IF it's such a good one, and they have had it for that long, why didn't they share it and save 1,000 drownings.

my say

23/08/2013another one of abbotts great asylum seeker policies BUY THE BOATS.can you just see tomorrow's headlines in indonesia's papers.BOAT BUILDERS WANTED,oh what fool's this lot are, stoies published in the GOLD COAST DAILY and THE GUARDIAN AUSTRALIA saying that MR PALMER now claims BROUGH did ask him for money to help fight the case against MR SLIPPER.

Michael

23/08/2013"Operation Sovereign Borders". Say that a couple of times, let it roll around your tongue... not too long, it'll gag you if you do. Now, let's think of another word that seems to have the same drive behind it - "lebensraum". Except Nazi politics was that the Germans needed more "living room", whereas Coalition policy is don't let foreigners into our 'living room'. Same basic idea - 'we'll decide who lives where in the borders we'll set'. And now Abbott and Morrison are going to provide retirement funds for Indonesian hitmen with their strategy of village watchmen paid to dob in anyone looking like they're setting up a boat to Australia. Shouldabeen PM and Bwana Morrison tell us over and over that people smugglers are criminals making fortunes out of transporting asylum seekers. Don't they reckon such "criminals" might find it very simple, and cost-effective, to have a couple of publicly identified local watchmen killed, or their families attacked, if such activities curtail their business? How about that blood on Coalition hands! And the whole concept of buying boats from Indonesian fishermen. "Retirement Plan for Indonesian Fishermen" more like it. These Coalition '4 years in the making' policy constructors must look and sound to Indonesians like big blowsy clowns. How will anyone in the region (and beyond to China, India, the ASEAN nations) take a Coalition government seriously with all the hoops Abbott and his mountebanks are jumping through to win the election? Abbott and co are signalling themselves as the 'soft touch' they always accuse Labor of being. Laughable policies, ridiculous politics, shaming behaviour. Three phrases, not three words, but the Coalition to a 't'.

Kate

23/08/2013nasking - you're right when you say the alleged rudeness towards the make-up person was a set-up. I've heard that another person was in the room and confirmed that Rudd was polite and at no stage was there any unpleasantness. Of course this is being ignored.

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23/08/2013IF it was a set-up it is serious as a lot is being made of it. I wouldn't put any of that past abort's dirty tricks mob. They have plenty of form in that area. Smearing peoples reputations has been developed into an art form with them.

Patriciawa

23/08/2013Thank you, Lyn, as always for your links. I know about the care you take with their selection and ordering too and today I followed your guidance into my day's first reading as usual. Vic Rollinson was particularly impressive and helped me clarify my hitherto very clouded thinking about KRudd. Thanks too, Ad Astra, for your comments on both debates with which rationally I agree wholeheartedly but I'm still unable express my opinion. Can feelings be still churning away in my subconscious and holding me back?

lyn

23/08/2013Hi Bob, Cornlegendd, Thankyou you two handsome valuable TPS contributors.:):) Pleased you enjoyed reading Victoria’s article, there is 3 Rollison girls and they all write. Hello and thankyou dear Patricia, hope you are feeling better soon. Tweetectives are investigating Makeup Artist Lily Fontana, here is some information for you:- Karen Angry Goddess ‏ Murdoch plant for sure, Abbott tells Rudd to shut up need to get the heat off quick, HELLO Lily Fontana Cheryl ‏ Read in tweets last night Fontana is was young Libs candidate NSW? & ppl thought was her brother?? Simon? David Marler ‏ Lily Fontana, website. http://www.lilyfontana.com.au/about Joe2 Is Simon Fontana, NSW Young Liberal President, related to Lily Fontana, the make up artist who prefers Tony Abbott? http://www.youngliberal.org.au/executive Le voyageur ‏ Makeup applier Lily Fontana seems to have deleted her Facebook page. Mysterious https://www.facebook.com/lily.fontana Tried to see if Abbott was a friend Frank Calabrese ‏@frankscan65 though her website is up and her contact details include her mobile number- http://www.lilyfontana.com.au/contact/ Frank Calabrese ‏ she deleted her contact page but luckily - http://web.archive.org/web/20130425224023/http://www.lilyfontana.com.au/contact/ … ----------------------------------------- Some comments and links on the Abbott add on Asylum Policy: Ærchiearchive ‏ Abbott's boat buyback policy is final proof that he is barking mad..AusPol AusVotes TA's School motto http://bit.ly/18NIli9 [quote]Tony Abbott ordered to stop asking navy officers about asylum seeker boats [/quote] top Navy brass stepped in to stop Mr Abbott grilling officers about how they felt patrolling for asylum seeker boats.Mr Abbott toured Australia's busiest Naval port he asked several personnel for detail about Operation Resolute."Do you get out on those boats often," he asked four Navy personnel at an outdoor staff canteen."So you guys were doing people smuggling patrols?," he asked."What was it like to apprehend these vessels."After a pause they offered stilted answers including "it's tiring", "a challenge"."It's busy," said another.While another said it was "Tiring work too, frustrating." At this point Lieutenant Commander Michael Doncaster stepped in and asked for the questions to [b]stop."Sir I'd prefer we don't talk on that line and move on," he said. [/b]http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-features/tony-abbott-ordered-to-stop-asking-navy-officers-about-asylum-seeker-boats/story-fnho52jj-1226702829672 This is good: Australian Labor ‏@AustralianLabor 8,162 people have volunteered so far to help elect Labor & keep Tony Abbott out! Join us: http://www.alp.org.au/volunteer pic.twitter.com/5mVKqO83gd

cornlegend

23/08/2013lyn Thanks for the comment, but I think Bob can have the handsome tag, I'm the old grey haired bloke on the left :grin: I didn't know of the other Rollinson, I'm of to track her down. A very talented group of "women of calibre"

jaycee

23/08/2013At this point Lieutenant Commander Michael Doncaster stepped in I don't know how anyone can think the goose is "clever" or "smart"...he's a dickhead...that's all..a dickhead....he's like the Peter Sellers character; Chauncey Gardner in "Being There"....he only sounds smart because people can't believe anyone could be THAT stupid....but he IS!...he's a dumb bastard!....nothing more, nothing less.

jaycee

23/08/2013This "Buy the boats" scheme of the LNP. has to be the "forehead smacker" of the year!

Libbyx33

23/08/2013Again, I ask how this Murdoch journo still has his job! Paul Syvret is possibly the ONLY Murdoch [b]journalist[/b] who could credibly claim his moniker. "TONY Abbott's diamond-encrusted paid maternity leave scheme is the policy equivalent of a very full nappy. And from the stench of it the kid has recently started on solids." and "That is a handout that is worth more than the average Australian full-time yearly wage and all you have to do to qualify for it is breed." http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/liberalnational-coalition8217s-goldplated-paid-parental-leave-handed-out-to-wealthy-is-poor-policy/story-fnihsr9v-1226700104344 Very telling lol :-)

Truth Seeker

23/08/2013Jaycee, yes I hope that the LNP has a paypal account, cos I'm sure that ebay will get in on the act, setting up a new category for leaky Indonesian fishing boats, to take advantage of the bidding war between the LNP and the people smugglers :-) Btw [b]"Did we dodge a bullet, only to jump on a land-mine?"[/b] is my latest post :-) http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/did-we-dodge-a-bullet-only-to-now-jump-on-a-land-mine/ Cheers :-)

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23/08/2013Responded to that post very well written Unusual these days when most things have to be orientated around finding Tony virtuous. I will be pleasantly surprised if my comments are put up for perusal.

TalkTurkey

24/08/2013Greetings Swordsfolks I've been getting up before dawn to get to the early Polling Booth in Boothby to give out how-to-vote cards for Annabel Digance against the laziest uselessest talentlessest MHR of all, Andrew Southcott, known locally as Doctor [i]Who?[/i] because he is hardly ever seen around the electorate. He styles himself Doctor, but he is a Bachelor of medicine who has never practised, so he is neither a PhD, nor a 'doctor' in the popular sense. He inherited his seat from his mother and holds it atm by just .7%. I met him yesterday at the polling booth, and confronted him with the news that one of his two young male helpers doing for him what I am doing for Annabel had gratuitously insulted one of my female comrades, and demanding that he give this horrible young prick - (who has the stupidest pooffiest [i]hairdo[/i] you ever saw on a 'man' btw, I kid you not!) - the hot word about behaviour between opposing camps: we have to be there for 3 weeks, I pointed out, and the only proper behaviour between the opposing camps is guarded civil non-personal non-engagement. I try not to talk to them at all, walk around them looking elsewhere, taking to heart that shrewd thought from [i]Desiderata[/i], 'Remember what wisdom there may be in silence'. This young puffed-up turd, insulting a 60-year-old woman right out of nowhere because she was one of Us, is I believe a Liberal staffer, as is also, I believe, his other young helper, (who has a [i]Bovver Boy [/i]haircut and vibe) and I am VERY interested in knowing who is paying them. Because they are not like our own Old Fart type volunteers at all. I need to get to the polling booth so early because then I can park my Hiace RV in the only useful space from which to use it as a base. The reason we the Labor volunteers need it is that the weather has been blizzardly all week, rainy windy and freezing, so my RV is serving as a mobile igloo. The Libs would gladly pinch that space just to spite us, so I don't give them the chance, I get there real early and stay all day. I do have a helper or two as a general rule, true Comrades all, but I'm the only one who puts in the full day. It's pretty wearing, 8.30AM-5.30PM, and I get home each day and crash. So I'm not writing much, but I'm still here. I'll be doing that every day for the whole 3 weeks. 4 days down, 11 to go before actual polling day. Then I'll spend all day doing likewise for my local Member Steve Georganas who it seems is on a knife-edge too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In other news, I see that Nasking has at last acknowledged my 'rants', not that he has had the grace to reply but he has done the next best thing, hopefully, either to depart altogether, or preferably, to desist from swamping this site and driving many people away. (I [i]know[/i] some previously regular contributors who have told me directly that they refuse to come back to TPS as long as Nasking keeps using the site as a dumping ground for dozens of posts every day. I won't name them of course.) Nasking seems to wonder why our Webmaster might be less than effusive in praise for his deluge of posts, well without being sure I would guess that Ad is saddened to see the flight from his site due to the glut of bear poo here. And that being both sensitive and diffident he has held off from being quite forthright with him. Only my guess though. Well I feel sympathy too, but I wonder if Nasking has taken on board my declaration that he is no orphan in that regard? Because I happen to know he's not. I did tell you, Nasking, that should you fail decently to defend your trumpeted support of Israel, the most criminal of all governments, and your description of me as an antisemitic bully, I would be tempted to get personal myself. If you continue to abuse me for speaking Truth, I shall be tempted to let fly at you with material I have already written about you, but desisted from posting in deference to your alleged bipolar condition. As I have warned you, you won't like it. I won't tolerate your attitude any more myself. A few points from your posts today: ANYWAY, PER USUAL THE MAJORITY OF MY USEFUL COMMENTS ARE IGNORED ON HERE SO I CAN BE TARGETED...DUMPED ON. Oh so you've [i]noticed[/i] at last? [i]You[/i] are the one who has dumped on this site. Heaps of poop. Much good stuff - [i]notice that I concede that, and do not misquote me on it[/i] - but this isn't your site alone. [i]Do you not understand that less may be more?[/i] I now read hardly [i]any[/i] of what you post because there is so much else, especially Lyn's Links; she has the nous to post links, you post whole slabs, often whole yards of nothing but Nasking Nasking Nasking Nasking Nasking and then a whole lot more Nasking! [i]FAIR ENUFF LABOR PEOPLE. YOU'VE MADE YER POINT. WINNING SUPPORTERS IS NOT YOUR STRONG POINT. [i][b]THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOSING.[/b][/i] That last line sounds [i]traitorous[/i] to me. You accuse me of anti-Semitism, so you have my retort, apart from saying you are too gutless to defend your stance on Israel and too unmannerly to apologise for the names you have called me. I call Labor people Us. You call us You. By so doing You are defining yourself as [i]not[/i] one of us. I remember you having about 5 preferred leaders in about 3 days, *J*U*L*I*A* was no good, Rudd was better, Oh no Steven Smith for a few hours, Oh no was it Combet then or Tony Burke, Oh no J*U*L*I*A* was best after all. Staunch eh! You repeatedly threaten (or is it promise?!) to bugger off, never to come back, and you're back next day. You whinge that people don't go through all your poo-pile, well why would we, everywhere else on the blogosphere is so much more exciting! So I'm about fed up with your gripes. I said I could be nasty but here I'm not even trying, it's just Truth! I just hold the melancholy position of being the messenger. I am amazed that you don't know it without being told. But I bet that many are reluctantly agreeing with me, they would be sure that in a sense I'm being cruel to be kind, and that I write primarily in defence of this site I love. Whose contributors, who have been very tolerant of you btw, you slag off. [i]Does a Bear shit in the woods? [/i] Hopefully ... rather than here.

lyn

24/08/2013Today’s Links Talking Back by @MrDenmore Tim Dunlop a writer, academic and one of Australia's pioneer political bloggers, has written a refreshing insiders' account of the rise of the new media insurgency. Thankfully absent is the now ritual characterisation of bloggers as pyjama-clad single-issue boffins or journalistic wannabes. http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com.au/ All in good time by @awelder Abbott has infuriated Labor voters with his sleazy antics in western Sydney, and whimpering at Rudd to shut up. This is dog-whistling to his silly base, the only kind of politicking he knows how to do, rather than winning over the unconvinced. Nobody who voted Labor or independent in 2010 will vote Coalition on the basis of Abbott's carry-on. The fact that it does not even occur to Liberal strategists http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/ The Half-Million-Dollar Cure by @MikeSeccombe That battle was lost. But fast-forward to election 2013, and the announcement of the Liberal Party’s health policy, and what do we see? A promise by Tony Abbott to restore the rebate, as soon as budgetary conditions allow.And you can bet that is one promise he is very keen to keep. Conservative ideology demands it. More than that, conservative party funding depends on it. http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-half-million-dollar-cure/686/ Eslake sees $30 billion Abbott black hole by @macro_business Mr Abbott has committed to a better bottom line than Labor. That means we’ll need to see $30-35 billion in cuts (or shifts of spending off balance sheet) in the final week of the election. Perhaps they’ll shoot for higher growth on their tax cuts. For perspective, it’s roughly 2% of GDP or the same amount the Government recently cut in its Economic Update. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/eslake-sees-30-billion-abbott-black-hole/ Tony Abbott's Indonesian boat-buy scheme defies economic sense by @GrogsGamut News Corp has reported that Morrison "declined to say how many boats could be bought back or for how much, saying he did not want to encourage owners to take advantage of the scheme". The problem is the mere announcement has already ensured that will happen. http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2013/aug/23/abbott-boat-buy-scheme-economics Tony Abbott unveils Indonesian boat buy-back scheme by Lenore Taylor immigration minister, Tony Burke, said boat buy-back was “simply crazy policy” because there were at least a quarter of a million fishing boats in Indonesia. “Of all the mad ideas I have heard in immigration, I think boat buy-back wins,” he said. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/coalition-indonesian-boat-buy-back-scheme Operation The Price Is Right by @crazyjane13 Yep. With the help of the infallible intelligence that has already worked so well in stopping people smugglers, a Coalition government will identify which poor Indonesian fisherfolk have been offered money for their leaky boats, and … offer them more. Naturally, the aforementioned poor fisherfolk will want to take Australia’s money, and voila! – problem solved. No boats, no boat people.You can’t make this stuff up. http://consciencevote.com.au/2013/08/23/operation-the-price-is-right/ The border protection-asylum industry by Ben Bicakci Upon closer inspection, we are seeing yet another example of neoliberal policies blurring the line between state and corporate power. Attempts to limit the movement of people across borders has actually created new and profitable markets for multinational corporations. http://overland.org.au/2013/08/the-border-protection-asylum-industry/ Big Winners And Bigger Losers by Alan Austin Will Kevin Rudd keep Tony Abbott from the door, or go down like a lead balloon? Join quizmaster Alan Austin for a tour through the history of our nation's prime ministers - triumphs and flops alike https://newmatilda.com/2013/08/23/big-winners-and-bigger-losers Manufactured differences fail to get a look in by Bernard Keane If the week hadn’t been dominated by the collective effort to work out how PPL worked, there might have been an actual debate about manufacturing policy, with Labor releasing its policy to be a giant ATM for Detroit and Tokyo car companies last weekend and the Coalition releasing its “policy to boost manufacturing” on Wednesday. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/23/manufactured-differences-fail-to-get-a-look-in/ The Carbon Tax Turns Three, But If Tony Abbott Wins, You Lose by James Colley The discovery caused the Daily Telegraph to shit their collective dacks at the thought that an actor, who isn’t even really a person come to think of it, would be expressing an opinion that would usually be reserved for real people. If you’re anything like the media analysis team at the Tele, you would naturally have assumed http://junkee.com/electoral-ad-nauseam-the-carbon-tax-turns-three-but-if-tony-abbott-wins-you-lose/17879 Coalition health policy is all barbs and no risks by @ConversationEDU The Coalition’s Policy to Support Australia’s Health System is a cautious document, despite shadow health minister Peter Dutton’s promise of a “cracker of a health policy”.The Coalition’s health policy is marked by the same small-target strategy: ducking for cover in the face of attack. http://theconversation.com/coalition-health-policy-is-all-barbs-and-no-risks-17364 Memo to Libs: as with nature, voters abhor a vacuum by Politifact Mathias Cormann, meanwhile, wants us to take on trust his assurance that Saul Eslake’s calculations can be set aside because Eslake isn’t in a position to know, and those that are aren’t inclined to come clean just yet. It’s a plea we think voters will take with a pinch of salt http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/23/cormann-v-eslake-nature-abhor-vacuum/ It's the cuts, stupid, not the costings by Barrie Cassidy It does seem the Coalition is timing the cuts to hit the advertising blackout the Wednesday before the election. However, bad news cannot be buried in the dying days of a campaign to the same extent that it once could be http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-23/cassidy-its-the-cuts-stupid-not-the-costings/4906152 John Lords Election Diary Update No 11 by @saint13333 my focus here is on character and whether Mr Abbott has enough of it to be the leader of our nation. My contention is that because we are looking at a litany of instances of lying, deception and bad behaviour over a long period of time he simply doesn’t have the essence of character http://theaimn.com/2013/08/23/john-lords-election-diary-update-no-11/ The Senate Count by @mrtiedt I am using the full NSW Senate Count for 2010, which can be found here. We are going to be following the path of a ballot paper where the voter chose to vote above the line using the Coalition’s preferences. The list of preferences for that ballot paper can be found here - you might want to keep that open as we move through the process. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/08/23/the-senate-count/ Slipper calls for Brough to stand down or be sacked by @independentaus Mr Slipper said confirmation by Clive Palmer that Brough had approached him to fund James Ashby demonstrated he was not fit to become an MP: http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/slipper-calls-for-brough-to-stand-down-or-be-sacked/ The war the bloggers won by @GrogsGamut The bloggers won, but mostly because some journalists and news organisations were smart enough to realise it wasn’t a war at all, just a case of more knowledge being available. And like all smart journalists are taught to do, they used it. And no one tries to argue any more that people who don’t own the polls don’t know what they mean http://inside.org.au/the-war-the-bloggers-won/ Galaxy marginals polling The Poll Bludger Polls from 11 seats across three states paint a broad picture of Labor losing office on the back of swings averaging 4.6%. Also, a head-to-head analysis of various pollsters and poll methods throughout the campaign http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2013/08/23/galaxy-marginals-polling/?utm_source= The Confabulous Mr Turnbull: 1925 airships, not Big Jets, are "leading edge" technology by @SteveJ_CBR Copper was a good temporary solution when it was posited by Sol Trujillo in 2005 and the Howard ministry that Turnbull was in, did nothing, and continued to do nothing and actively oppose broadband past the 2010 election until now. Copper is now so dead that even the vultures aren't circling anymore. http://stevej-on-nbn.blogspot.com.au/ FactCheck: will regional internet users pay more under the Coalition’s NBN plan? by @delimiterau Verdict: Albanese’s claim that it will cost $5000 for a fibre connection to your home under the Coalition’s plan is no more reliable than the Coalition’s estimate of $3000, as there are so many potential cost variables – but clearly the cost will be in the thousands of dollars. http://delimiter.com.au/2013/08/22/factcheck-will-regional-internet-users-pay-more-under-the-coalitions Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 24 August 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

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24/08/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

cornlegend

24/08/2013lyn thanks for the tireless effort compiling the links. you save me hours, and you always pick the good reads One other of interest today. todays Sunshine Coast Daily The case against Mal Brough: what the judge says unfolded http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/mal-brough-case-james-ashby-what-judge-says/1996469/

jaycee

24/08/2013I was wont to comment, Nasking...but while your posts DO have many pertinant points, there ARE an awful lot of them...a few too many to read, I'm sorry to say....I too move past very many of them. Can you not condense or at least restrict them somewhat?

Ken

24/08/2013An example of the reporting of polls. In my local Fairfax paper (The Canberra Times) this morning the Neilson poll was reported showing a 2PP of 53-47 to the Coalition. It also noted that Rudd's lead as preferred PM had fallen to 45-42 but he still led - however, this 3% lead was described as "statistically insignificant". Interesting that the margin of error is used to denigrate Rudd's lead as preferred PM but not in describing the LNP's lead in the main poll outcome. If the margin of error is applied to the main poll, it means a result of 50-50 is equally valid. I decided to mention this here only because it was so blatant.

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24/08/2013They used to think that being the underdog was a good place to be going into an election. Watch them both emphasise it soon. Currently the aim seems to be to make Labor think it is hopeless? Why would this be a good idea? Earlier on it was to get rid of Julia, But was that really a good idea? Rudd has more chance of having an effect. Continuously repeating "No-one is listening to Gillard" had the desired effect, but Rudd has made people listen so THAT didn't help abort. Pushed a bit harder it might have given Turnbull have a go at the leadership. Murky wouldn't want that. it's still a contest regardless of the POLLs and the comments. You are not being informed, You are being manipulated (as always). Nothing like this changes in the big scheme of things unless it is DRAMATIC. I'd still like to know more about the make-up Lady and what her background is. I will also watch how the Indonesians react. With elections coming up there, I don't think Phoney is being helpful there either. Why would He worry about a little detail like that? He's only worried about getting the PM position here. Buy a few boats, Sink, turn back a few boats Boats mean VOTES and that is what it is all about..

Michael

24/08/2013There's only two weeks left for the Liberals to get Abbott into the Lodge. Two weeks. Contrasted with how many years accepting donations from Big Tobacco? If the Coalition are so confident in the public polling, how come the weeks-ago sudden switch on education financing (hollow as their 'version' is), how come the last few days Big Tobacco repudiation? Perhaps we'll all learn "in good time"? I sense something is going on - nobody that far out in front needs to cut off long-standing (and some might consider, relatively 'mums and dads' innocuous) connections as with Big Tobacco two weeks out from claiming government. And why 'jump the shark' with this ridiculous "buy the boats" asylum-seeker campaign? The Coalition doesn't need to do anything in this area - they've won it, it's theirs, they are the "tough" guys who have their "hearts in it". Why do more, when that "more" even looks like they are actually 'sub-contracting out the policy' to Indonesia? Or indeed contradicting their own 'stop the boats and turn them around' policy they maintain goes back a decade or more, and we're told "worked then, will again". If so, if it's proven, guaranteed, tried and tested, a winner, why go down the rabbit-hole with 'buy the boats'? Something's got these guys spooked, as if 'the election that's theirs to lose' is what's front and centre in their political strategies, not the one we're being told they'll win in a canter. What do they know about the likelihood of 'losing' the election that has them even doing a single thing more than just coasting to victory? They sound insincere with their constant group-think running out of standard responses to questions about policies and costings, with "in good time" in particular about to enter the pantheon of "never ever" in exposed Coalition truth-fudging. I smell it, I see it in Abbott's too-taut cheeks, hear it in his constant doubling-up of lines when trundling out "if we are fortunate enough to be elected" new government policies. They stink of fear. Why?

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24/08/2013They have been working on this policy for FOUR years. Why not have offered it before now and saved hundreds of lives and lots of money? I DON'T BELIEVE THEM.. They may be panicking but I reckon this one is the BIG RISK for them. It will be condemned on any reasonable analysis by everyone. It's likely to create an adverse reaction from Indonesia's government, and rightly so. Tony Burke was as relaxed as I have ever seen him fronting up about this one. He had all the facts. Jus a few minutes after the "skipper and Gilligan" had made their presentation in Darwin. A few years ago the count of boats for fishing purposes on the archipelago of Indonesia was 720,000 and it is unlikely to be less with the passage of time. It's a country of boats. They sail in them fix them make them, and their business model just looks brighter than ever, thanks to the clowns from downunder.

N'ellie May

24/08/2013Wow, Lyn and Ad, Thank you both so much for your wonderful work. I am here every day reading and hoping with you. Have been out working on railway stations and now pre-poll booths and my main goal is to get our local candidate re-elected. He's on a pretty good margin so should be safe, let's hope. What I can say that is really heartening, is the great number of enthusiastic young people who are manning and womanning the phones, door-knocking and attending campaign meetings. Most of our sub-branch comprises retired, or mature people, so imagine the delight in finding all these 20-something's coming out in support. I am trying to be realistic about our chances nationally. I've read we are polling well in Victoria but not so well in NSW or Queensland. What I also have to say to myself is "Do we deserve this win?" My heart is still breaking over Julia and to cap that off, here in Victoria our candidate was ratted on by our own Labor Party people (seethe Hotham episode.) I know that in many ways we have betrayed ourselves and that has been the most bitter pill of all. So I am bracing myself for losing Govt and with the knowledge of the harm that will be done to Julia Gillard's legacy. We will have to bravely re-build with all the decent people who still carry the integrity of this great party in our hearts. In the meantime, let's all pull together and not get depressed. This is the place to come together, thanks to Ad and Lyn. We must unite now, not tear apart. Once again, Ad Astra and Lyn, thank you so much for giving us the gift of The Political Sword. Many of us would be totally lost without you both.

Ad astra

24/08/2013Hi Lyn Once again your links have been a source of inspiration and information for me. You will see many mentioned in tomorrow’s piece: [i]Say no, no, no to Tony Abbott[/i]. Together we make a great team. Thank you for all you support, which N’ellie May so warmly acknowledges. Two weeks to go. Then we might need a break. N’ellie May Thank you for your kind words. These are difficult times; I empathize with your feelings. There are just two weeks left to dissuade voters from selecting Abbott and the Coalition, which the polls keep telling us they will do. I have almost completed the piece for tomorrow: [i]Say no, no, no to Tony Abbott[/i] which details what we can expect if the Coalition wins on September 7. Its not a pretty picture, but how many voters see it? It is gratifying that so many young folk in your electorate are canvassing support for Labor. The young may surprise the polling pundits who are so sure of an easy Coalition victory. You are right: we must unite and not tear apart. 42 long The Coalition’s asylum seeker policy is now way over the top. If it has taken them four years to get to this level of craziness, what would they do in government? Ken Polls are tools for manipulating public opinion, presented under the guise of measuring it. Greg Jericho has a great piece on polls on [i]Inside Story[/i]. http://inside.org.au/the-war-the-bloggers-won/ Michael You say: “[i]They stink of fear. Why?”[/i] They are now acting like automatons, monotonously repeating the lines fed daily to them by their minders. They have stopped thinking for themselves. Can you imagine how they would cope in government when they would have to address the issues as they arose day by day, when criticism would be directed [b]at[/b] them rather than emitting [b]from[b] them? It is a fearful proposition, but how many voters harbour that fear? September 7 will tell.

TalkTurkey

24/08/2013N'ellie May I honour what you are doing, (I'm doing it myself) and with you in what you have to say, including the last line in the penultimate paragraph. I think you probably were chiding me quite gently there, that'd be fair too, but gee I'm sick of pale support, vacillating skindeep loyalties, that seems to me the very antithesis of what the Labour Movement is all about. Dog save us from fair weather friends. At the polling booth the other day an old couple came to vote, the bloke was wearing a flat cap very like the one I wear most of the time. We agreed that such caps were the go, neither under- nor over-dressed in most circs, keep head warm, sun off your glasses and so on. I asked him if he knew what they are called, (I didn't), and in the wind I thought he said [i]Holdfast Hats.[/i] I said Oh I wonder how they got to be called Holdfast Hats? He said Not [i]Holdfast Hats[/i], [i]Old Farts' [/i]Hats! Another funny hat story there too! Now see, I've taken on the job of being there all day every day because I've got a good van to operate from in the awful weather. One of the comrades helping me came with a big wide Stetson on his absolutely bald head. He got into my van when it started pouring again, and he took his hat off as we're supposed to in polite indoor circs. (I don't usually remove my Old Farts hat though.) Anyway I said quite unconsciously, "You can leave your hat on." And we both burst out laughing. :) Dam! recaptcha : arsaat shall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruYLmuEbjg

janice

24/08/2013Talk Turkey, "Old Farts hats" - that is priceless.

Patriciawa

24/08/2013Hello, TT! You old fart! I imagine you're home by now, but here's a big thank you from one leftie to another for doing a sterling job there at Boothby. And to others like you and N'ellie May out there working the hustings for us. Thank you too for saying what needed to be said to Nasking which I think many of us were hoping he would have come to realize himself by now, or hopefully been told at home, that his contributions here were no longer appreciated or being responded too because he was crowding out the conversation. Michael, I agree with you and Ad Astra. I think the Coalition are hearing a different report about people's feelings which are not being reflected in these published polls. Aussies are not such fools. The right have real cause for fear.

Ken

24/08/2013Ad thanks and I had already read Greg Jericho's article. and also Michael and patriciawa Agree something odd is going on in the LNP campaign and that there was no obvious need for tne "clunker" boat policy. And I don't really see how that would work apart, perhaps, from providing more seaworthy boats for the refugees to come in. It may not be the polls they are worried about but perhaps some intelligence on what Labor will throw at them in the last couple of weeks. Here in Canberra (safe Labor territory) I don't get to see many of the ads that are going to air because the parties don't "waste" their money here. And I am not a social media person (no tweets or facebook activity) so am not sure what is going on there. I am interested though because the ALP did bring out Obama's experts in that area. Perhaps the LNP is worried that Labor is winning the battle there. As pointed out many times before, the polls don't obtain a large enough sample of people who operate in the new media. I will keep lurking here (with occasional comments) for enlightenment on these issues.

N'ellie May

24/08/2013TT, I've said it before, you're a breath of fresh air! Love your work.

TalkTurkey

24/08/2013jaycee, N'ellie May, Patriciawa, Sincere thanks for giving me a tick for saying what I have about Nasking. I do feel diffident about making such comments, but I feel there's times when one has to speak up, or one is not a worthy person. People don't realise, for example, when they have offensive breath, and it takes a strange kind of courage to be the one to tell them. I do try to summon that courage, knowing that that message is hardly likely to endear me with the halitotic person in question. More often people hold their tongue, which simply perpetuates the ill wind blowing nobody any good. (Ill wind, pun on halitosis see.) BTW WRT that, jaycee, - (and I'm not wearing my Oberleutnant Grammarnazi helmet here please note) - but when you wrote [i]I was wont to comment, Nasking[/i] I do believe the word you meant was [i]loth[/i] (or some spell it [i]loath[/i] ). Because of course that does express the natural diffidence I'm talking about. Just this evening, (and apropos of nothing here), Robin ‏@mahootna2 tweeted: [i]If you can't say something nice, say something honest.[/i] #NotTonysMoto Yes! Truth comes first, before niceties. But I feel like a heel too, to take a whip of small cords to our faithful but overzealous Bear, and I wouldn't have done so if he hadn't first loudly declared his support for the criminal State of Israel and then called my personal honour into question. Well let it be a lesson to him that at least you three support me even in a tiny way, in effect saying Yes Nasking you do have bad breath as TT says. And Janice, I'm delighted to give you a smile!

TalkTurkey

25/08/2013N'ellie May You said [i]TT, you're a breath of fresh air![/i] I'm not sure whether or not that was what prompted my halitotic metaphor ! - I don't remember on~linking my thought from it but the two references do resonate ... Two minds breathing as one ... How did *N'ellie* originate please?

N'ellie May

25/08/2013TT, Quite easily, actually. My family called me N'ellie which is a shortened derivative of my first name and my middle name is May. I think you are usually optimistic, TT, and I find that really helpful because I tend to get really depressed about what goes on. You lift our spirits.

Bloss

25/08/2013Hi AA There's one of those suspicious weird comments again at August 25 2013 at 3.25 am. I just worry that newcomers might click on it. Cheers

jaycee

25/08/2013BTW WRT that, jaycee, - (and I'm not wearing my Oberleutnant Grammarnazi helmet here please note) - but when you wrote I was wont to comment, Nasking I do believe the word you meant was loth (or some spell it loath ). Because of course that does express the natural diffidence I'm talking about. To mart os....To mate os ....per haps...praps....I take your point TT. and I insert it where it is best remembered!

E

25/08/2013I am hearing some cracking noises. Why are Tony Abbott and co looking so spooked? Body language is hard to control. I think that the madness of this campaign is starting to tell. Sites like this are a respite from the lunacy. Mostly. Victoria Rollison's excellent piece helped me to regain voting equilibrium. I am in TA's electorate and have felt powerless but am remembering the existence of the silent majority. While out driving the other day, along the route I took, I was surprised that I saw only one house with Abbott signs. Thanks to all those who make positive input into TPS E

TalkTurkey

25/08/2013jaycee I am a bit mystified as to your comment here! So I'll try to be perfectly clear to see that we understand one another. It's not a question of bannannas or bannahnna's - [i]Loth[/i] and [i]wont[/i] are not similar at all in meaning is what I'm saying, they are nearly opposite in meaning. I'm not sure that you realize this so to be sure I'll make sure! [i]Wont[/i] relates to habit by choice as in 'I was doodling, as is my wont' or 'he was wont to dress up.' [i]Loth[/i] (to)/[i]loath[/i] (to)/(not [i]loathe to[/i], though it's related) means [i]extremely reluctant[/i] to, and I assume that was what you meant since you are not [i]in the habit of [/i] saying such things to Nasking. Could you please explain your line re tomatoes?

jaycee

25/08/2013And, TT. while we are on the subject of "speaking correct english"....I have a fuzzy recollection of walking up from the beach at Marino Rocks (where I grew up), past a cedar-clad weatherboard house where two grown men, one who was your late brother (may he R.I.P.) and the other perhaps yourself.. were in the act of trying to push a rain-water tank or some-such onto a trailer...and having some difficulty in doing so...in the short course of my passing walk, I distinctly heard some language used THAT, while quite recognisably colloquial and perhaps in the vernacular, would NEVER be reffered to as "good english"! And to quote Heirome to Chromatius (from "The Anatomy of Melancholy" - Robert Burton)...."patella dignum operculum"...["The lid is worthy of the pan"].

John Bloomfield

25/08/2013Apologies for off topic comment, but this report is worth reading. If anyone had any doubts about the dangers presented to our environment and farmlands from CSG expansion this report confirms those concerns:- http://coalseamgasnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Contaminated-sites-and-accidents-related-specifically-to-CSG-in-Australia.pdf While the CSG companies move on as soon as a gasfield is uneconomic, the damage left behind for residents to contend with remains.

jaycee

25/08/2013I still think we go into this election 50 / 50, with the deciding votes being cast by the Labor women proffesional vote...; going to either the Greens out of anger or to Labor out of recognition of the necessity of keeping the "filth" from office.

lyn

25/08/2013Good Morning Ad & Everybody, Ad thankyou for your post to me @ 04:06 PM. I really do get so excited with our bloggers, the 5th estate educating us with genuine articles and facts. Ad Astra you have lead the way for a long time with your factual, wonderful heartfelt articles. TPS is like a Castle standing strong and tall in the blogosphere. We are a wonderful team. Thankyou so much N'ellie May for you very nice words @ 2.44pm yesterday. The Telegraph today has another nasty front page story. At first they implied Kevin Rudd abandoned the campaign for the Syria talks suggesting a Political stunt. Then when they heard Kevin was being filmed for ABC kitchen Cabinet they changed to Kevin Rudd abandons Syria talks to appear on TV show. Some tweeters comments regarding the Telegraph story:- Thérèse Rein ‏ RT ALP statement on Sunday Telegraph story regarding Prime Minister's security meeting and other media commitments: http://www.scribd.com/doc/162692301/Campaign-Media-Release-docx … George W. Bludger ‏ So first @dailytelegraph headline, and then … pic.twitter.com/wzXWe1b0vl George W. Bludger ‏ The second @dailytelegraph headline.. will there be a third? LOL pic.twitter.com/naJjk0il7q Whit Goughlam ‏ How desperate of the Sunday Telegraph? Rewriting headlines when their vile assumptions are called out Whit Goughl @GrogsGamut Yep. Got a screenshot of that headline http://twitpic.com/da0sp9 ” George W. Bludger ‏ Just remember, that ridiculous article in the Tele was written by Samantha Maiden, No.1 Tony Abbott Cheerleader http://www.flickr.com/photos/georgebludger/8352242849/ … So Ad, then we have these flabbergasting statements from Abbott. This is Abbott’s stinking tactics, the Asylum Seekers are a National Emergency, the Budget is in crises, Julia Ruined my reputation and trashed Parliament, so then they say if you elect me I will fix everything [quote]Gillard led a contest of 'crude political head-banging', says Abbott by Mark Baker [/quote]Mr Abbott said Ms Gillard had reduced national politics to a contest of ''crude political head-banging'' and had driven an ''over the top'' campaign to damage his reputation. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/gillard-led-a-contest-of-crude-political-headbanging-says-abbott-20130823-2sh5m.html#ixzz2cvi8XWSH

jaycee

25/08/2013TT. I understand your teacher's frustration at reading the howlers put into print by the less educated of us, AND in keeping to the spirit of good humoured chiaking!..I would remind you that being a qualified carpenter of more than 45yrs' experience..when invited to people's homes, I do not take the liberty to critique the construction quality of the premises....live and let live, I say..and if the people have agreed in principle that a grunt is as good a tool for communication as an exclamation...then so be it! I do note, however, in my travails(?) travels(?)through a short term in Latin that many words in current use in the english language comprise both Greek and Latin to make the one word...ie. "Homosexual" being of both Greek (homo-man) and Latin (sexual-sexual). Anyway, TT. I view these blog-site as using a curious construct of grammar I call ; "conversation english". AND, to repeat..I do reply with an appreciative sense of humour!

jaycee

25/08/2013With the coalition election launch taking place as I write, I trust the sewerage authorities in the relevant city have recruited a full quota of both overtime staff and killowatt hours electrical supply to cope with the mega-merde-surge expected down the pipes!

Patriciawa

25/08/2013jaycee! It's not my wont to comment on issues grammatical, and I am loath to do so here! But since Talk Turkey and yourself are parties to this one, I thought I might say something here. I'm a bit like TT and I do get tetchy when I see grammar or spelling howlers on the printed page. Habit of a lifetime, I guess. Generally I hold fire because I think what really should matter is the line of argument, though I have to admit to finding that my estimate of a poorly written case, however strong, with spelling errors is often diminished. And I would like to think I am much more reasonable than that. So I rather like your suggestion that we view blog site discussions as being expressed in [i]'conversation english'[/i] or maybe as a concession to the likes of TT and myself perhaps we could call it [b]'conversational English?'[/b] I could come to terms with that and maybe even at my age change the habit of a lifetime in expecting the printed page to have been proof read and corrected before publication.

Michael

25/08/2013Abbott promises to restore the Private Health Rebate "within a decade"... Which is code, like "in good time", for just short of the last minute of which ever period of time he nominates. Come on now, Australia, you proud nation of bullshit detectors! You will vote for a possible PM who promises a policy 'sometime in the next 10 years'!!?? Howard was the longest serving PM at 11 years or so - Abbott's making a promise he's unlikely, even with a Coalition government in power across a decade, to ever have to keep. That's his "signature", people, that's what is at the core of Abbott, and every policy he announces - fake dinkum. Fake to the stringy core. Fair dinkum!

BSA Bob

25/08/2013And so now we have Cookinggate. One of the things I'm good at is throwing my hands up in the air, saying something like "That's it! There's no point! I give up! I don't care anymore!" when confronted by one of the more egregious of the media's political beatups. And coming back for more the next day. But I think something broke in me yesterday. Seeing the media run interference for Abbott's lack of interest in the Syrian situation & then come out with today's efforts accusing Rudd, I really think I'm close to being over the whole media thing. For a long time I've essentially watched it to see where the bullets were coming from & now they're coming from everywhere. It gets harder to care about a country that tolerates this sort of thing.

cornlegend

25/08/2013AT my age, I have a great joy of waking up in the morning, or making it through to dinner, all a bonus. I have a great delight in seeing committed people fighting the good fight against Abbott and the LNP. I don't spell check, or do a grammar check. I think the fight against all that is evil, namely the LNP is of far more significance. Some people, adults {and I've seen the studies} have reading and writing difficulties. Their opinion is really important , and I don't ever want to see anybody turned off from commenting, just because they might stuff up in spelling or grammar. The message is important, not the grammar. Abbott is about to reign carnage, not a verb. The LNP is the enemy, not the full stop. What a waste of "fighting time" to discuss such irrelevancies Normally when I see this, I just abandon the site, and go to one, where the enemy is identified, ABBOTT and the LNP

TalkTurkey

25/08/2013Now for our next act ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I_QzPLEjM4

Ad astra reply

25/08/2013Hi Lyn Thank you for your comments, and the extra links. The Murdoch media is pulling out all the stops to knock off Rudd. Any paltry story will do. I have just watched the Coalition's campaign launch with all its nauseating hype. Shortly I will be posting the other side of the story: 'Say no, no, no to Tony Abbott'. Folks Let's focus on the real issue: the horror of an Abbott government, and leave the trivia for another time. I appreciate your several comments about grammatical correctness, but we have more important fish to fry.

TalkTurkey

25/08/2013Geez Cornlegend, Patriciawa and jaycee All three of you misinterpret my meaning. I'm astonished. You all saw this as a matter of [i]grammar[/i]. It's not, it's a simple matter of a [i]malapropism[/i] which was so nearly opposite in meaning to what was meant that it confused the real meaning. Like when you're driving and your navigator says Go right when he means Go left but you are pretty sure that he must have meant Go right anyway. But then you have to check - right? You really ought to know me better than to think I would wantonly play one-upmanship grammar games with comrades, I don't, though I might be tempted to pull rank sometimes on the sort of unpleasant contributors we used to have here to make a point. But that's not you. Everybody uses malapropisms sometimes, nobody is the suppository of all wisdom. But I needed to read that line several times to assure myself that it meant what I thought it to mean, and - [i]specifically disclaiming Grammarnazi intent [/i]btw - I bothered to correct you so that others would also get your real meaning and because [i]I for one think it is a courtesy [/i]to set people straight when they are under a misapprehension about word meanings. I would hope that you would do likewise for me in the reverse situation. There is no snide intent whatsoever, nor a superior attitude. It's just Truth. Please don't let me be misunderstood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKd-vqb4YGM Patricia I know you were being conciliatorially supportive of grammar tragics including yourself and me, but see, it was not at all a matter of grammar. This is the second time I have written this message, I lost the other one half an hour ago as I often do! The other one was much better put, but this will have to do. Patricia that was a crafty first line to your last post I must say.

jaycee

25/08/2013Pat, Talk, Corn.....I'm really like a "Scotch harlot" on the subject!...I wonder where all the seriousness is coming from?? Onward excelsior!!

Michael

25/08/2013In an odd sort of way, letting things like grammar slip IS part of why right-wingers get to claim power. Seems like a long bow? Perhaps, but when the IPA types can turn a pernickety eye on how arguments against their positions are phrased, or suggest that lack of punctuation or accurate use of grammatical forms indicates incomplete understanding of the argument, or its wider connotations, they are using nitpicking to unpick even exploring contrary thinking. It's a form of mockery, which you don't have to watch too many Coalition shadows for too long to see is a strategy, to constantly 'make it obvious' that 'Labor people' are not quite as well educated, not quite as erudite, not quite as extensively knowledgeable, will never quite get the literary reference or the historical allusion, will never exactly fit in to the right places with the right people, will never... scrub up. Disdain comes all too naturally to those constantly on watch for it being directed at them. Politicians of the Right constantly go on about being 'servants of the people', and I suspect this is because they perceive that it is they who are actually the servants, servants of the 'captains of industry', the 'media barons', the self-made billionaires, who can buy up the cumulative wealth of the average Cabinet of Ministers of the Crown several times over before midday tiffin. With post-politics careers in mind, boardrooms beckoning, Conservative politicians serve their apprenticeships in politics, learning the fine art of back-scratching, and if necessary, diving deeper with lips pursed. Learning how to never be infra dig - they start in school years - it becomes ingrained to find fault with the surface, thus requiring no need to comprehend deeper. Mock, dismiss, belittle, which of course, is always ad hominem, attacking the man or the woman, not their ideas or principles. I did warn of a "long bow"... Conservatives fear change, they hate innovation, they despise 'leaps of faith'. And if they can catch you out in your grammar, your punctuation, or your spelling, well, logical as Socrates himself, whatever you are saying must be false because its making is. Conservatives don't form fresh opinions - they trundle out timeworn disparagement. They are only ever truly comfortable when saying "I told you so", with the echo of great-grandpapa in their tone.

Ad astra

25/08/2013Folks I have just now posted [i]Say no, no, no to Tony Abbott[/i]. http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2013/08/25/Say-no-no-no-to-Tony-Abbott.aspx

jaycee

25/08/2013Jeez, the ABC. is sooo piss weak!!...on their feature of "Abbott launches campaign" commentry section, they close all comments after EIGHT COMMENTS!...because ALL the comments were anti LNP.......they're so piss weak they're a laughing stock!!

Ad astra

25/08/2013Michael The Coalition excels at: "mock, dismiss, belittle, which of course, is always ad hominem, attacking the man or the woman, not their ideas or principles." It's in their DNA. We can expect more.

Ad astra

25/08/2013jaycee I'm glad I missed that ABC post. The ABC acts like a card-carrying member of the LNP.
How many oranges do I have if I have 3 oranges and take ONE away?