How to vote: first examine your values

How do voters decide on where to cast their vote? For some it is automatic, even unthinking. They have voted this way before, maybe always. They are the rusted-on voters.

For many though, it's a question of “What’s in it for me?” “What will I gain if I vote this way and what will I lose?” The party matters less than the gains that each pledges, and the losses each threatens.

There is another group. Its members weighs up the pros and cons of each party’s platform and selects the ones that align best with their individual values, beliefs and ideology. These are the thoughtful; they probably comprise many of the so-called ‘undecideds’, who in a recent Essential poll sat at 16%, with another 31% saying: ‘I am leaning in one direction, but it could change.’ In other words, 47% could still vote either way on September 14. These are the ones who decide who wins – the swinging voters. How do they decide?

If one can judge from comments in the Fifth Estate, many of this group has well-established views about society in a democracy and how it ought to operate. They have their policy preferences and their biases. They have attitudes towards the leaders, and know what they like and dislike about them.

This piece attempts to tease out what it is that separates the major parties ideologically, how this is reflected in policy, and how this influences voting behaviour.

The Liberals, the Nationals, the Greens and Labor all have party platforms available on the Internet that depict their values, ideologies, policies and plans. They make informative reading. You can look at them here:
Liberal Party: (24 pages).
National Party of Australia: (57 pages).
The Greens: (43 policies).
Labor Party: (268 pages).

There has been a tendency for the uninformed to mouth what I believe to be an inanity: ‘They are all the same anyway’, implying ‘What does it matter for whom we vote’, followed by the unrealistic proposition: ‘If the party we vote for is no good, we can throw it out!’ This is not only ridiculous; it is a cop-out, a lame excuse for not thinking, for not looking for the things that separate the parties. There are plenty, yet a glance through the party platforms shows striking similarities. They all embrace laudable objectives that on superficial inspection seem quite similar, which may explain why some believe the parties really are ‘all the same’.

And of course there are also similarities among politicians: the ruthlessness, the ambition, the primeval urge to claw to the top, the factionalism, the disingenuousness, the spin and the use of the glib slogan, as well as common decency and a desire to make this country a better place. But there are deep and enduring differences in philosophy, ideology, attitudes and values that starkly separate politicians and parties.

I thought it would be an interesting exercise to examine the party platforms by using a rather crude process to identify their major attributes – searching for key words and phrases in their platforms.

My first observation is that all party platforms and policies enshrine commendable objectives such as a robust economy and strong employment. All support good education and health care systems. They all insist that they want a fair society, opportunities for all, and support for the disadvantaged and the disabled. It is only when these policies are applied that the stark differences become apparent, and they are stark.

Let’s look at some areas to tease out these differences, beginning with the economy.

The economy
It is this aspect of governance that show up the differences most noticeably. Bill Clinton is often quoted as saying: “It’s the economy, stupid”, and it is. But I suspect he was referring to the need for a strong and growing economy. All parties in this country would agree with him, but the angle I wish to emphasize here is not that objective, but how different parties believe it can and should be achieved.

The Liberals place great value on ‘the right to be independent, to own property and to achieve’ and the ‘creation of wealth and competitive enterprise’. The Nationals do too, but seem to give the economy less emphasis.

The Greens believe that ’a prosperous and sustainable economy relies upon a healthy natural environment’ and that ’the pursuit of continuous material-based economic growth is incompatible with the planet’s finite resources.’

The Labor Party emphasizes the need for a strong and growing economy with employment opportunities for all who can work.

Note the subtle differences. The Coalition values enterprise, competition and independence with less emphasis on employment; labour is seen as a vehicle that enables enterprises to prosper. The Greens’ support of the economy is subject to its compatibility with a healthy environment. Labor sees the economy as providing jobs and prosperity for all.

These differences create the tension that exists, and has existed for centuries, between enterprise and labour. This is described in a piece on Turn Left 2013, that was written by Flora Tristan way back in 1843. Titled Workers’ Union, it describes the awful struggle that women had in that era achieving decent working conditions. Then, there was grotesque exploitation of labour by management – low wages, poor working conditions, child labour, and no benefits. Of course working conditions are much, much better now, but the tension continues.

Business and industry insists there must be more ‘flexibility’ in working conditions, which is code for workers working when management wants them to, poorer working conditions and entitlements, and lower wages and benefits. The struggle goes on to this day. For example, those in tourism and the catering industry are insisting they cannot turn a decent profit if they have to pay penalty rates at weekends, which they insist are just working days that should attract ordinary wages.

Unions battle for better working conditions, sometimes overegging their claims; management tries to whittle them back to improve competitiveness and profit. It is where political parties position themselves on the ‘management – labour’ spectrum that exposes their values and attitudes.

You will all recall how the public reacted to the punitive aspects of John Howard’s WorkChoices, legislated when he controlled both houses. He acknowledges he went too far, as do many of his ministers, so much so that Tony Abbott is scared witless about changing industrial relations in a way that suggests a return to WorkChoices, which long ago he declared was dead and buried, and for good measure, cremated as well. Very dead! It was electoral poison then and was a major factor in the Coalition’s 2007 electoral loss, and it is still poison. It is a metaphor for the political danger of taking extreme positions. Similarly, unions who adopt extreme positions in the other direction, also take dangerous political risks.

So here is the battlefield. Business and industry takes entrepreneurial risks, invest money and resources, and seek a healthy return and consistent profits. Enterprise generally seeks to engage its workforce for the least outlay. Those representing the workforce seek to ensure good wages and conditions, and security for workers.

If you imagine the tension has dissipated, think about the contemporary ‘457 visa’ row. Unions, workers, and the Government insist that some employers are abusing the system with overseas workers being brought in when local labour is available, leading to Australians missing out on jobs, and a lowering of wages in the affected sectors. Instances have been quoted, sufficient for Government to legislate a tightening up of the 457 visa system. The Coalition reacted by denying the problem, linking it to ‘the Government’s failed border protection policy’.

This is not the place to argue the pros and cons of the 457 system, but simply to highlight the reaction to the plan to revise it. Business groups screamed blue murder, insisting the scheme was vital in some sectors (no one is denying that) and that abuses were minimal. It seemed reluctant to accept that there ought to be more emphasis on training locals in preference to importing foreigners. It labelled the Government’s moves as xenophobic, Pauline Hanson style. Returning from overseas, Peter Anderson, CEO of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, although conceding that there had been problems with 457 visas, nevertheless lambasted the Government’s moves on the basis of a headline in Singapore’s The Straits Times, insisting that the crackdown on the 457 visa scheme was getting bad publicity in Asia, and expressing the fear that it might damage Australia's reputation and create a backlash against Australian workers and companies in Australia.

This is yet another example of the tension between those in business and industry and their workforce.

There are those who take the extreme view that enterprise ought to be given the breaks because entrepreneurs are the ‘wealth creators’ who provide jobs for the workers. They take this view on the basis that the wealth they create trickles down to those at the bottom of the pile. That this is often little more than crumbs falling from the rich man’s table is illustrated in a graph from John Quiggin’s book Zombie Economics - How dead ideas still walk among us. In a paragraph headed Death – the rich get richer and the poor go nowhere, Quiggin uses a telling graph of household income in the US over a 36 year period, from 1967 to 2003. Do take a look. It shows that while those in the top 5% increased their income by over 60% in that period, those in the bottom 10% did not increase it at all, and even those on the 50th percentile, the half way mark, increased by less than 10%. It was only those on the 80th percentile or above that showed a substantial increase. The top half boomed; the bottom half stagnated. Not much trickle down there.

The theory of ‘trickle-down economics’ has been thoroughly debunked, yet it is still the base on which the Republicans in the US and their extreme partners, The Tea Party, build their case for not increasing taxes on the rich or taking away their tax breaks, preferring expenditure cuts that would adversely affect the poor and the disadvantaged. This was at the root of the dispute termed ‘the fiscal cliff’, which continues to this day. The conservative parties here, and the Coalition governments around this country, embrace the same doctrine and the ideology on which it is based. It might not be as extreme here, but it is nonetheless a driving force behind Coalition economic policy. Listen to Joe Hockey, Andrew Robb, Mathias Cormann, Barnaby Joyce and Cory Bernardi and your will hear the same dogma. Don’t bother listening to what Tony Abbott says; he says what ever suits his audience of the moment.

Yet another example of the tension between business and its workforce is the push by governments to achieve a budget surplus. All parties seek this outcome, but conservative parties believe budgeting for a surplus is an imperative even if the social consequences are dire. Labor pushed for a surplus for the current financial year in the belief that it was prudent economic policy to return to surplus after a period of stimulus. And it was. As it turned out, falling revenue meant that to achieve a surplus severe expenditure cuts would be needed that would slow the economy and increase unemployment. The Government chose to abandon its quest for a budget surplus and instead to support economic growth and growth in jobs, knowing it would be ridiculed by the Coalition for not achieving its aim, and breaking yet another ‘promise’.

On the other hand, Coalition governments in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria, which continue to pursue budget surpluses, have demonstrated whom it is that suffers – those in education, health, other services, and of course the public service. Savage cuts in these areas in Queensland reduced Campbell Newman’s net popularity from +23 to -13, a 46% drop in six months. In Victoria, Ted Bailleau, who resisted wage increases to nurses, paramedics and teachers, and who savagely cut TAFE funding, found he had lost the confidence of his party room and resigned. His successor, Denis Napthine seems to understand that he has to be less fanatical in achieving a surplus.

Conservative governments also eschew debt, insisting that governments must live within their means, notwithstanding the fact that almost one in two Australian households have a home mortgage that takes many, many years to pay off, and three out of four have credit card debt. It’s apparently OK for households to go into debt when circumstances demand, but not governments. You will recall the resistance of the Coalition to the second and larger tranche of Government’s stimulus package during the GFC. Presumably the Coalition would have preferred to keep the debt down rather than keeping people in work and safeguarding small and large business. Labor preferred the opposite, and in doing so protected our economy from recession, steering it to be the best in the world today, with the lowest debt to GDP ratio in the developed world.

Although we have touched almost exclusively on the economy, these examples vividly illustrate the stark difference between progressive (Labor) parties and conservative (Coalition) parties.

Because this piece is already long enough, comparison of the parties and the contrasts they throw up in other areas of governance needs to be left for another time.

This piece asserts that indeed ‘it is the economy, stupid’. It most influences voter thinking, but in a subtle way.

Although Australia has the most prosperous and vibrant economy in the developed world with parameters that finance ministers the world over envy, this will not be sufficient for many voters. They have come to expect such economic strength, and give the Government little credit for having brought it about. Therefore the driving force behind thoughtful voters’ decisions at election time is likely to be the extent to which each party matches the values they hold dear.

The two major parties exhibit almost diametrically opposed values. Progressive parties value jobs and economic growth more than running budget surpluses and retiring debt. Conservative parties detest debt and insist on running surpluses to pay it off, more than they value full employment and economic growth. The behaviour of contemporary Federal and State governments provides the supporting evidence this assertion requires.

Progressive parties place great store in social justice. By their actions, conservative parties appear to place more emphasis on commercial success. Labor values fairness and opportunity for all, seeks to achieve an equitable balance between incomes and wealth across the population, and supports the disadvantaged. In contrast, the Coalition decries what it describes as ‘a sense of entitlement’ that it says afflicts much of the electorate, ironically having created much of it in the first place. It takes a neo-liberal free market approach. It prefers to support the entrepreneurs, the wealth creators: business and industry, and casts as villains those who support working conditions: Labor, and of course the unions, whose officials it describes as thugs. The contrast between the parties is striking.

This comparison, this contrast, ought to influence thinking voters, who ought to vote according to their values. I wonder if they will, come September 14?


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Catching up

19/03/2013"Don’t bother listening to what Tony Abbott says; he says what ever suits his audience of the moment. " Never a truer word spoken. When the elections come, some will vote, as they have all their lives, for whichever party they support. Some will base their vote on their own beliefs. Some will even vote for someone, they believe will gives us a better society. Many will look to what party promises them the most. Some will even just lodge a donkey vote, just going down the page or nothing at all. Some will go with the strength, stick to the one that is tops in those polls. Others will vote according to what they consider important regardless of politics. Such as NBNco, which I believe will be the sleeper. We have a big number which I believe is new, that will be lodged a vote against this PM because of their own prejudices of not liking a a single, unmarried atheist woman as PM. It matters not what she has achieved. PS Listening to Turnbull. He is indeed in full flight within the house. I believe we are going to hear much of what he is saying will repeated over and over. One wonders what his agenda really is. The public interest bill is to be voted on last. That appears to have upset Turnbull. One would think he was back in court. That is the level of his speeches. Each one is getting more animated than the last. Could he be going after Abbott's job? His anger, arrogant anger, suggests to me that the PM might have more chance of success than she is being given credit for.

Ad astra

19/03/2013Catching up Interesting comments. There is much truth in what you say. We will need to watch Malcolm Turnbull. He seems to be on a mission - a pro media mission. What's his game? I'm sure he covets Abbott's job - I wonder what his strategy is.

Catching up

19/03/2013He is still going. Could it be a filibuster to delay the vote?

Catching up

19/03/2013Has finished at last. Wonder will the next speaker talk as long

2353

19/03/2013CU - I also suspect the NBN is a sleeper issue. Earlier tonight I was talking to a person who lives 25km from his nearest (pretty small) town in South West Queensland. Wireless internet doesn't work for him or the business he operates from home. He recently applied for the NBN (I suppose via satellite) which will be installed on Monday. He's biggest concern is that the LNP will get in and switch off his dependable internet connection that will allow him to operate his niche business as if he was located in a big city. Good article AA - I hope you weren't looking up the Nats and Liberal policies on your birthday!

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19/03/20132353 Thanks. No, I did that a few days ago!

Casablanca

19/03/2013Bananaby Joyce says he will run against Tony Windsor in New England if asked by the Nationals. Richard Torbay (NSW pollie)has suddenly withdrawn his candidacy.

Catching up

19/03/2013Might just get beaten.

Truth Seeker

19/03/2013Ad, Nice breakdown of the economic differences between the two main players, and one of the reasons why i've never been able to bring myself to vote for the conservatives. I have made the point on many occasions that the LNP have an unspoken creed that says; "Every man, woman and child for themselves," with the disclaimer "unless you're rich, and then they will do all they can to help you gain even more!", and their economic ideologies bear that out. Keep up the great work :-) Cheers :-) :-)

2353

19/03/2013CU - you can only hope. If Joyce ran and lost it would certainly increase the IQ of the Australian Parliament - but I pity St George!

Catching up

19/03/2013The question is why the present nominee has resigned, also leaving the party. Did not the the name, something like Torbay.

orangefox

19/03/2013I have been thinking for months that Malcom Turnbull will surface again. He knows his version of the NBN is a turkey and he probably hates selling it because it makes him look like an idiot. He realises if he continues in that position he will be tared as a future Liberal leader. Also he knows that he is liked by many and if he became leader Labor would be in even more trouble. Lets hope Abbott stays leader but I think it won't be the case. It would be interesting to see how Labor would respond. That's why Labor stratagyists should start thinking about this.

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19/03/2013Truth Seeker Many thanks for your comment. You have summed up the conservative philosophy aptly: [i]"Every man, woman and child for themselves"[/i]. orangefox Turnbull will be one to watch. I bet Abbott is watching, with some apprehension.

Casablanca

19/03/2013CU [b]Tony Windsor rival dumped by Nationals[/b] March 20, 2013 Sean Nicholls Kate McClymon [i]Richard Torbay has been dumped as the Nationals candidate for New England after information emerged he had previously accepted funding from Labor to run as a state independent against Nationals candidates. It is understood the Nationals are concerned about possible links to the family of the then Labor powerbroker Eddie Obeid[/i] Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/tony-windsor-rival-dumped-by-nationals-20130319-2ge03.html#ixzz2NzIPeuOx

Casablanca

19/03/2013AA & orangefox I commented a few weeks ago that Malcolm had taken his baton out of his briefcase and that we would be seeing and hearing even more from him. I also observed that he was losing his product differentiation by becoming more like the other ranters on the Opposition frontbench. In particular, he is making many more ad hominem attacks. No more Mr Nice Guy it seems.

Catching up

19/03/2013Casablanca, Turnbull has put on an Academy winning performance tonight.

jane

20/03/2013Ad astra a thought provoking post for us all. It's made me think about whether I'm a rusted on unthinking voter, or one who considers the policies and considers whether they will affect the country favourably. In all the elections I have voted in, I have never considered that the Liars Party has had the best interests of the country or ordinary people at heart. Their policies are always skewed toward big business and the wealthy, no matter how much they claim otherwise. None has seemed more overtly so than the Howard government and now that scrap bin of stale leftovers from the Howard government, which compromise the current opposition. They offer nothing in the way of positive thought or ideas, just a relentless mind numbing stream of negativity, spite and mendacity. The are bereft of any policies that would have a positive impact on this country or the lives of its citizens, save for the likes of Gina Rinehart, Rupert Murdoch and other similar wealthy individuals. Their hysterical opposition to pokies reform, the carbon price, Gonski, the stimulus and the successful infrastructure programs BER & HIP to the visionary NBN which will provide fast efficient communications and internet far into the 21st century, is indicative of the barrenness and sterility of thought prevalent in the LNP. Their only ideas and the few details of policy thought they've shared with the us, are proof of what I have said above. All they have is a grab bag of tired, tattered rubbish from the Howard era. An era characterised by profligate waste of the mining boom, transfer of welfare from the people who most needed it to people who didn't need it at all, tax breaks for the wealthy, committing us to an illegal invasion of Iraq based on a lie the corruption of AWB, and Regional Partnerships. An era which made greed, selfishness and an inflated sense of entitlement the corner stone of its existence. Which is why I will never vote 1 Liars. CU, I agree with you & 2353 that NBN could be the issue which will get the government over the line. For all their bad mouthing of the NBN, Liars MPs are queuing up demanding it for their electorates, pronto. I'd say this is at the prompting of voters; if they were indifferent or hostile, Liars MPs would be spruiking it at the top of their voices. Further, I would argue that voters are holding their noses at Turnbull's pigs' breakfast masquerading as an alternative NBN, which is another reason that Liars MPs are clamouring for Labor's NBN to be rolled out in their electorates. They know that Turnbull's alternative is a giant and ultimately very costly lemon. His arrogant [i]let them eat cake[/i] fttn if you're lucky and we'll slug you an extra 3 grand to get ftth betrays typical Liars attitudes to the less well off.

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Casablanca

20/03/2013 [u][b]BREAKING NEWS[/b][/u] [b]POPE WEDGES ABBOTT ON ENVIRONMENT & NEGATIVITY[/b] Actually, I just made up that heading but I thought it when I read the following: [i]Pope Francis called on ''all men and women of good will'' to protect creation, [b]the environment and each other. [/b][/i] Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/pope-vows-to-protect-the-weakest-in-inaugural-mass-20130319-2gdzp.html#ixzz2NzpZww5P [u][/u]

paul walter

20/03/2013I caught up with both 4 Corners and Media Watch last night and they both confirm the thinking behind this thoughtful thread starter. Liberal theory values the individual and freedom of action yet as 4 Corners showed re Wall St, the idea has come to be qualified on a concept that one's "advancement"(whatever that is) must only occur at the expense of others. Laborism is actually a form of small l liberalism and doesn't require the dismemberment of capitalism so much as its management, whilst Greens thinking re-emphasis the role of true rationality. But the dismemberment of the Deakinite and Keynesian Settlements Settlements is the real life outworking of the old tale of the greedy crazed idiots who couldn't be bothered waiting for the goose to lay the next golden eggs and in their haste butchered it instead, finding too late there was no gold, only goose-guts and goose shit, for their indecent rush. Once again the idea of radical change looms, as it seems once again that capital cannot be content to just be a part of things, but must feed off all else like a giant bloodsucking vampire squid. But it's awfully late in the day..

lyn

20/03/2013Today’s Links What we talk about when we talk about press freedom by @lukeayresryan 70% of what passes as news is controlled by a single person (Rupert Murdoch) or his bobbling hand puppet (Kim Williams). http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-press-freedom/ The Freedom To Make Things Up by @MikeSeccombe Murdoch media, around the world, sees freedom of the press as meaning freedom to mislead, misrepresent, and outright make things up. http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/the-freedom-to-make-things-up/ Dear Leader Kim Williams Fights For Democracy by @MikeSeccombe dear leader Kim was there to argue that in the most concentrated, least diverse media market in the developed world, freedom of the press is under threat. http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/dear-leader-kim-williams-fights-for-democracy/ Someone said something to someone by rossleighbrisbane, @MigloMT A leadership spill is speculated to occur tomorrow, and on Thursday . . . Friday at the latest http://theaimn.com/2013/03/19/breaking-news-someone-said-something-to-someone/ Journalist @MargaretSimons stands up to Oz intimidation, speaks out on media reform by @margokingston1 Here is her submission to the Senate media reform inquiry. She will give evidence at 6.30 tonight http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/tag/fitzgerald-inquiry/ What will the Australian Press Council do about this- @no_filter_Yamba newspaper which so distorts the facts and journalists whom I'm told now know that they have based their 10,632 company collapses on a dodgy premise? http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/ Bad chemistry in media battle by @mumbrella Gillard was asked at her news conference and again in Parliament whether, if the package can’t get through this week, she would take it to the election. http://mumbrella.com.au/bad-chemistry-in-media-battle-146272 Uncivil &unbalanced: the Australian media can’t be trusted to report on industry reform by @WakeinFright negative pieces on the reforms outnumber positive articles by 100 to 6. https://theconversation.edu.au/uncivil-and-unbalanced-the-australian-media-cant-be-trusted-to- Gillard’s Media Fight by @attardmon they should perhaps take the advice of one feisty female leader who once recommended that they “just don’t write crap http://thehoopla.com.au/media-laws/ The media reform bills – what is really in them by @ethicalmartini there is no fundamental threat to Rupert Murdoch or anyone else in this legislation http://ethicalmartini.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/the-media-reform-bills-what-is-really Honesty is its own punishment by @crazyjane13 Lies, lies, lies. And the worst lies of all? The ones that we hear, day after day http://consciencevote.com.au/2013/03/19/honesty-is-its-own-punishment/ And the orchestra began on cue by @btckr Liberal commentators began saying the PM, Julia Gillard, would be rolled on Wednesday, 20 March http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/and-the-orchestra-began-on-cue/ A Little Bit Of This! A Little Bit of That! Makes You Wonder by @knarfnamduh usual rumours of rumours being rumoured by rumour mongers on Julia Gillard http://deknarf.wordpress.com/ Building more dams will bring a bigger emissions headache by @Mothincarnate building more dams, the Coalition is making its direct action plan even more difficult to implement. http://newanthropocene.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/building-more-dams-will-bring-a-bigger- Vote in Pub Poll on Media Reform, What do the PUBLIC want by @YaThinkN "Explainer: Conroy’s proposed new media laws" by Martin Hirst http://yathink.com.au/article-display/vote-in-pub-poll-on-media-reform-what-do-the-public Two media bills pass Lower House by SBS Independent MP Tony Windsor is optimistic for this week. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1748254/Two-media-bills-pass-Lower-House 'Feisty woman' will win over 'policy weak' Abbott: PM Video Tony Abbott links the fate of the government to its controversial media reforms, and speaker Anna Burke struggles to maintain control. http://media.watoday.com.au/selections/question-time-gets-willing-4122322.html Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 20 March 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

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20/03/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

2353

20/03/2013What happened to the imminent "leadership challenge" this morning? Lakita Bourke was the Canberra talking head on ABC Breakfast this morning and was hosing it down (if this happens and if than happens and if all the ducks line up etc it might happen on Friday) faster than Bev O'Connor was building it up yesterday. If they keep on reporting it, they might get it right one day (potentially when the PM gets to retirement age). Do they really think that we are that gullible. Have the media overcooked it? Stay tuned for the next exciting episode. Makes you really want to go back to Ten's CBS Morning Show from the US while eating the corn flakes. Seriously my suspicion is that they got caught out so badly on the Rudd/Gillard changeover they have firstly never forgotten and secondly have made s vow never to be caught out again (leading to a constant theme). Notice also the language has changed on the Rudd/Gillard changeover since the LNP did it in Victoria and the NT recently as well, Great links Lyn - thanks again. AA - I think "Pete1975" might be spam.

TalkTurkey

20/03/20132353 Not even spam! Not even made with real ham!

Patriciawa

20/03/2013Great post, Ad Astra. Shared values about social justice seem to be what draw us here to TPS to exchange ideas. Lyn's links, as always give us even more to think about. I was particularly intrigued today by a new site which focused on what consumers think about our media here in Oz and whether they want reform. http://yathink.com.au/article-display/vote-in-pub-poll-on-media-reform-what-do-the-public-want,59 Now that the legislation looks like being carried in the main and all the leadership nonsense is disposed of I think we can begin to understand the PM's strategy in pushing the media bills through at this particular time when Murdoch was being challenged and defeated in the UK. PS I am having problems with my gravatar. Yesterday I really hated having my birthday greetings to you under a face like this with my tongue stuck out. How do I get rid of it? Has anyone else had this problem?

nasking

20/03/2013 PATRICIA WROTE: [b]Now that the legislation looks like being carried in the main and all the leadership nonsense is disposed of I think we can begin to understand the PM's strategy in pushing the media bills through at this particular time when Murdoch was being challenged and defeated in the UK. [/b]

nasking

20/03/2013 [b]COMMENT crikey.com.au billie Posted Thursday, 31 January 2013 at 2:02 pm Tony Abbott endorsed Richard Torbay’s canditure for seat of Lyne or New England saying he had been his best man. Some endorsement Tony Abbott was Peter Slipper’s best man[/b]

Bilko

20/03/2013AA Another good piece. I believe if Voters vote the Coalition in the country will be in a recession within a year and why because they will apply the same methods as per QLD & VIC governments, and their own DNA only know one course of action, which are both in a technical recession sacking public servants sending unemployment up. These now unemployed packaged or otherwise people will then stop spending on everything but essentials. I know I have been there twice in my life one quickly re-evaluates everything. People spending less consumer confidence falls, small business failure increases and more bankrupts. ALL of these were avoided or reduced considerable with Labors stimulus package will return. While the rest of the world envy us now we will soon become a laughing stock. Australians have 5 months to come to their senses before this tragedy engulfs us. This could happen because one old man in the USA does not want the NBN built as it will effect his bottom line.

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20/03/2013jane Your thoughtful response is what I hoped this piece would evoke – how do we reach a decision about how we ought to vote? You belong to the group that thinks deeply about the issues, the policies and the plans that the parties present. You make a salient point when you say: [i]”I have never considered that the Liars Party has had the best interests of the country or ordinary people at heart.

Their policies are always skewed toward big business and the wealthy, no matter how much they claim otherwise.”[/i] You identify an important feature that differentiates parties: which one legislates for the common good, the common weal, and which legislates to advantage target groups from whom voting support is sought. You see the Coalition legislating in favour of the well off, and Labor for the less well off. It is even subtler than that – in the years of the mining boom when it was rolling in money, the Coalition legislated in favour of the middle class with welfare benefits – the baby bonus is an example. Although these welfare payments attracted plaudits at the time, they created a sense of entitlement that is now costing the country dearly, and in fact they are not sustainable while revenue is falling, as even Joe Hockey now acknowledges. Notwithstanding this, Labor’s attempts to direct welfare to the more deserving have been criticized as discriminatory by the Coalition. It comes down to values. Should equality be a goal? Should the wealth of the nation be more evenly distributed, or be allowed to concentrate at the wealthy end? In his book [i]The Price of Inequality[/i], Joseph Stiglitz shows the adverse effects that accompany inequality: social discord, and where extreme, social disruption and even civil strife. The question then is whether our personal values lead us to support a party that fosters equality, or one that does the opposite.

Tom of Melboune

20/03/2013Is honesty a value? If anyone valued honesty, they would shun Gillard.

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20/03/2013Casablanca Bravo Pope Francis. Of course Tony Abbott and little Sir Echo Greg Hunt would claim that the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan [b]would[/b] protect the environment. Imagine 20 million trees sucking in CO2! Where they would be planted, who would plant them, and how this mega project would be managed, has never been revealed and our indolent media has never asked.

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20/03/2013paul walter Thank you for your complimentary remarks. You are right when you describe the philosophy of big capital: [i]"advancement" (whatever that is) must only occur at the expense of others…feeding off all else like a giant bloodsucking vampire squid.”[/i] That is the problem – the rich get richer and the poor languish.

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20/03/2013Hi Lyn I’ve started on your links but haven’t yet got far. I’m responding to comments overnight and this morning. I did enjoy the Mike Seccombe article. He always writes so well.

nasking

20/03/2013 NOT SURPRISING SKY NEWS PUSHING KEVIN RUDD: [b]KEVIN RUDD rejected plans to allow the ABC to keep operating Australia's official TV service in Asia, despite a confidential government review that gave a gold star to the public broadcaster for running the Australia Network. The detailed ''mid-term'' report by the Foreign Affairs Department was never released to the ABC but prepared last year to help decide the future of the $223 million taxpayer funded service. But Mr Rudd - toppled from the prime ministership only days before the report was finalised - decided, on taking over as Foreign Minister after the election, to demand a more intense process. The service was put to tender in February and Sky News, part-owned by News Corporation, entered competition with the ABC for a new 10-year contract.[/b] http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-pushed-on-with-bids-for-australian-network-despite-support-for-abc-20111023-1meih.html SLY NEWS...SLY AS A MURDOCH FOX. N'

Crowey

20/03/2013Ad astra Have you ever heard of WORK FOR THE DOLE, only this time they will be working flexible hours, like 24/7

nasking

20/03/2013 DISASTER FOR ABBOTT...BAD JUDGEMENT PER USUAL: [b]TONY ABBOTT: Look, my business is not to run around the countryside offering commentary on independent members of Parliament. My business is to promote Coalition candidates for all seats and so we've got a couple of terrific candidates running in the seats in question, really, really good candidates. Richard Torbay in New England is an outstanding candidate. [/b] http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/9052/QA-Session-National-Press-Club-of-Australia-Canberra.aspx IF BARNABY WINS WILL HE BECOME FINANCE MINISTER? BWA HA HA... N'...RETURNED P/T DUE TO A COUPLE OF MEDIA REFORMS GOING THRU...AND TO GIVE THUMBS UP TO INTENSE DISCUSSIONS ON FURTHER REFORMS.

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20/03/20132353 There doesn’t seem to be much movement on the ‘leadership’ matter this morning; just a lot of desultory media comment. Time will tell whether you are right about pete1975. Patriciawa Thank you for your kind remarks, and for pointing us to the new website ‘YaThink’, which rightly points out that the PUBLIC seems to be the group that is being ignored in the contemporary media debate. We have no control over Gravatars. I suggest you go to your account on http://en.gravatar.com to see what has happened.

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20/03/2013Bilko Thank you for your kind comment. I have said for some time that by September 14 LNP governments in Queensland, NSW and Victoria will have demonstrated just what the country would be in for with an Abbott government.

nasking

20/03/2013 MEMORIES; MICHELLE GRATTAN: [b]The flamboyant Joyce is also overshadowing and driving mad shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who is in a low anyway after mismanaging his leadership bid. Hockey cleans up after some of Joyce's messes but the prospect of them forming a tight partnership on economic issues is out of the question. Economics is Abbott's weak point. Even with a competent and discreet finance spokesman, the opposition would be struggling to convince people it is even close to a match for Labor in this area. Abbott needs to move Joyce before it all ends in tears.[/b] http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/loose-cannon-needs-firing-20100209-npqn.html -------- BERNARD KEANE @ CRIKEY: [b]This is where Abbott’s misjudgement in appointing Joyce is really biting. And I use “misjudgement” deliberately. It was not a mistake — that suggests a casual error, like he got Joyce’s name stuck against the wrong column when he was preparing his shadow ministry. Abbott’s strategy in putting Joyce into Finance was intended to exploit Joyce’s fabled “retail politics” skills to sell a message the Coalition had failed miserably to sell since the start of the GFC — that the Government had borrowed too much. Joyce is doing exactly what Abbott wanted him to do — condense the debt’n’deficits message down to a line that your average pub inhabitant would understand. The ensuing chaos caused by Joyce, complete with Joe Hockey joining the line-up of commentators and analysts rebuking him, can be directly sheeted home to Abbott. Far from being out of control, Joyce is operating exactly as Abbott wanted him to. With a gallery doyen such as Michelle Grattan coming out today and calling for Joyce to be dispatched, Abbott now has a real problem. On radio this morning, Joyce was sticking closely to his talking points on the debt default issue — and sounding exactly like any of his more robotic colleagues. But Joyce is only the idiot fringe example of the Coalition’s difficulty. The trouble with the debt’n’deficits narrative isn’t that they haven’t found the right way to tell it, it’s that it’s complete nonsense. That’s why Hockey was making a fool of himself this morning over the issue. Hockey this morning claimed the RBA backed his claim that Government borrowing was pushing up interest rates and crowding out business. There is a danger of crowding out — that means because the Government is borrowing so much money in financial markets its squeezing small business which isn’t able to compete with the 800lb gorilla known as the Australian Government to borrow money. Hopefully Hockey knows this is complete rubbish and is simply being political, otherwise the Coalition is in deeper trouble on economics than we’d hitherto suspected. The RBA has said that business credit has indeed fallen over the past year, mostly due  — duh — to the GFC. “In large part, the decline in business credit over the past year reflects the repayment of bank loans by listed corporates, mostly funded by equity raisings, with companies reducing their leverage. Corporates that continued to raise debt funding during 2009 tended to do so in non-intermediated markets, rather than through banks.” And syndicated lending actually went up in the December quarter, when interest rates were rising. Moreover, as the RBA said vis-à-vis small business, “the contraction in business credit over recent quarters has been more pronounced for large businesses than for small businesses”. Crowding out because of Government borrowing simply isn’t happening, at least according to the RBA. Plus there’s the painfully simple truth that Australia has the lowest debt in the OECD — indeed, as Shane Oliver has shown has a level of debt that is not merely a fraction of those no-hopers in the OECD, but a fraction of that of emerging economies. If Hockey concentrated on the restructuring of the banking sector and the ensuing shrinkage of competition over the past 12 months, he might be onto something on business lending. There’s a perfectly good case to be made by the Opposition that the Government has failed to support competition in the banking sector out of fear of the impacts of the GFC, and should be moving more quickly to support greater competition. Hockey has made this argument before when he suggested in mid-2009 that the Government guarantee investment-grade mortgage-backed securities. But that doesn’t fit the debt’n’deficits narrative that the Coalition has been flogging since Malcolm Turnbull’s fateful decision to oppose the second stimulus package. Indeed, it might complicate the issue and suggest economics couldn’t be condensed to a bunch of folksy utterances about how borrowing is evil. And to think Hockey is supposed to be the one with economic credibility.[/b] http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/02/10/joyce-is-only-at-the-extreme-end-of-a-nonsensical-argument/ A FUTURE ABBOTT GOVT = FUTURE DEBACLE ABBOTT PAST JUDGEMENT AS BAD AS PRESENT JUDGEMENT N'

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20/03/2013nasking Tony Abbott is always right at the time, but later is never prepared to wear his errors of judgement, although he pillories Julia Gillard about what he likes to describe as her errors.

nasking

20/03/2013 Ad, INDEED...ABBOTT IS A WALKING DISASTER. THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T WIN GOVT LAST TIME. NOR DID HE GET THE SAME LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT PM GILLARD DID DURING THE LEADERSHIP BALLOTS. HE BARELY GOT THE LEADERSHIP...ONE VOTE. GILLARD WON A BIG MAJORITY. TELLS ME A LOT. N'

nasking

20/03/2013 ANDREW BOLT IS A NEWS LTD, MURDOCH MAN...RIGHT?: [b]Controversy and criticism Leak of intelligence document In June 2003, Bolt published an article criticising Andrew Wilkie in which he quoted from a classified intelligence document written by Wilkie as an intelligence analyst for the Office of National Assessments. It was claimed, but never proven, that someone in Foreign Minister Alexander Downer's office had leaked the document to Bolt.[9] A spokesperson for the Australian Federal Police said that they did not have any evidence to identify the culprit[/b] Wikipedia ANDREW WILKIE HAS BEEN GROTESQUELY DUMPED ON VARIOUS TIMES BY NEWS LTD...BY EVEN THE TASMANIAN PAPER. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS GOOD INDIVIDUAL IS HESITATING ON MEDIA REFORM. N'

nasking

20/03/2013 AWKWARD: JOYCE A PROUD MAROON 15 June, 2006 A gutsy Maroon’s victory in last night’s second State of Origin was music to the ears of Queensland Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce. “I may have been in Canberra last night, but I was certainly focused on Suncorp Stadium,” said Senator Joyce. “The boys come out fighting hard from the kick off and showed great strength and resilience to keep the Blues at bay.” “The forwards played a solid game and kept the paddock open for the free flowing Lockyer and the like to punish the Blues.” “[b]I look forward to yet another Blues flogging in Melbourne in a few weeks.[/b]” http://www.barnabyjoyce.com.au/News/AllMediaReleases/tabid/74/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/133/Joyce-a-proud-Maroon.aspx BLUES FAN NOW IS HE? OPPORTUNIST? N'

lyn

20/03/2013Hi Ad, Thankyou for your new post brilliant and totally engrossing. You teach us so much Ad Astra what would we do without you. I agree Ad Mike Seccombe is a good writer and I also enjoy his opinion. Patricia @ 10.57am a big hello to you. I have had the same problem as you with my Gravatar and I feel the same as you. It does feel awful having that dreadful face on the page all day. Also one day I forgot my full stop. The other problem is my details are not staying in the box as they did before, I have to re-enter everytime I post. If Christopher Pyne wants the Parliament to sit another week, there would definitely be an ulterior motive. Who would have thought Sky News would be reporting this. Actually should be on the front pages of the Newspapers today: One Nation co-founder to sue Tony Abbott, Sky News co-founder of the One Nation Party, David Ettridge, is planning to sue federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott for damages of more than $1.5 million. http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=855918 No Fibs @geeksrulz Mr Pyne objects to misogyny label by yelling at a woman at the top of his voice. http://youtu.be/YCkAsE0BX88 #misogyny Barry Tucker Pyne wants House to sit another week. Maybe they meant next Wednesday. Daniel Hirst @ The Greens say they have reached agreement with Gillard government over media reform. Details at a 12.45 media conference Zac Spitzer ‏@zackster 20m It was clear that once @JuliaGillard got involved with negotiating the passing of the media reforms, they were going to pass :):):)

lawriejay

20/03/2013Thought you'd like to be informed that this address is no longer active : From: Gillard, Julia (MP) <Julia.Gillard.MP@aph.gov.au> Subject: Prime Minister Auto Reply Date: 20 March 2013 11:39:13 AM AEDT To:Thank you for your interest in corresponding with the Prime Minister, the email address Julia.gillard.mp@aph.gov.au is no longer an active address. To contact the Prime Minister please go to www.pm.gov.au and use the 'Contact the Prime Minister' facility.

nasking

20/03/2013 POWERFUL POST: [b]I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole. Your positions of authority, your millions of dollars of personal wealth, your public relations consultants, your privilege and your power cannot mask the hollowness of your character. You sent us to fight and die in Iraq after you, Mr. Cheney, dodged the draft in Vietnam, and you, Mr. Bush, went AWOL from your National Guard unit. Your cowardice and selfishness were established decades ago. You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage. I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.[/b] http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/the_last_letter_20130318/ MY WIFE AND I WERE DISGUSTED WITH PETER REITH'S CALLOUS RESPONSE WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR ON THE DRUM YESTERDAY. TYPICAL HOWARD LIB. THE LIBERAL OLD GUARD STILL DOMINATE UNDER ABBOTT'S LEADERSHIP. N'

KHTAGH

20/03/2013AA As other have stated, very thought provoking. Has anyone actually got Joe Hockey to clarify his [i]'sense of entitlement'[/i] statement, was he talking about middle class welfare, or was he actually talking about lower class welfare? pensions etc. If it was middle class he was referring to why did he carry on so much about the cuts to the baby bonus like he did?

nasking

20/03/2013 [b]AUSTERITY MEASURES KILLER FOR TORIES: Last week a poll commissioned by Tory backer Lord Ashcroft warned Labour would trounce the Tories with a majority of 109 if General Elections were held tomorrow.[/b] http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/384870/25-Tory-MPs-looking-for-another-job N'

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

20/03/2013 G’day all. A grab of Twitterstuff from today so far. Twitter is running very fast in the last few days, as you can imagine from Lynnie’s blog links. Blink, and the universe changes :-). [b]Twitterati[/b] [i]Kiera ‏@KieraGorden[/i] @JuliaGillard Happy 1000 days in office Prime Minister. May there be a thousand more. #AusPol pic.twitter.com/HrmxMV7S6H Retweeted by Geri [i]visivoz ‏@visivoz3h[/i] . @JuliaGillard Well done! Higher pay - just reward for valued childcare workers. Kids benefit from qualified, stable staffing. [i]Maybe ‏@Maybeee2011[/i] This is a win! RT @mjohnstone90 BREAKING: Government media reform bill related to ABC & SBS charters voted through house #auspol [i]Sabra Lane ‏@SabraLane46m[/i] Bob Katter announcing 3 commissioners will oversee the press / mergers: to be appointed by a panel of 12 people. [i]Mari R ‏@randlight1m[/i] Tony Windsor tells AM programme there’s a 70% chance of the public interest media advocate being adopted with amendments News Ltd frenzy? [i]Major Major ‏@defenseAU[/i] After more than 100 hours an agreement means, that for the first time the British press regulation will be subject to an element of statute. [i]Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret[/i] The dishonest reporting of nearly all the papers re Leveson continues. Strongly suggest people go online to read Charter and HoC debate [i]Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP[/i] I assume Daily Telegraph considers the surging stock market to be a catastrophe, along with trend growth & more than 130,000 new jobs #qt [i]Bernard Keane ‏@BernardKeane8m[/i] peak derp reached - Fairfax articles quoting their own editors on leadership speculation [i]Simon O'Toole ‏@drsimmo3m[/i] @BernardKeane Quality journalism right there. Who said the move to tabloid format would be a backwards step? [i]Mark Whalan ‏@MWhalan[/i] Journalists act as gatekeepers who have captured 'Truth is whatever we say it is' and squeal when public demand regulation. [i]Ningbojoe ‏@ningbojoe[/i] After Pyne's angry display today, no doubt who is bringing Parliament into disrespect. #auspol [i]Angela Lo Rosso ‏@AngelaLoRosso9h[/i] Simon Crean? Bottom of barrel now, totally desperate media. Nice false flag to stop people from chatting about Pyne's Meltdown, lol. #auspol [i]Robert Oakeshott MP ‏@OakeyMP12h[/i] As stated before,the reach of EObeid went beyond one political party.And is one of reasons why I'm now Independent MP. Good luck Tony Windsor [i]AshGhebranious ‏@AshGhebranious8m[/i] Gee. I thought Abbott was 100% behind #Torbay only a few months ago. Weather vane time #auspol [i]Mark Travers ‏@mark_travers6m[/i] So @TonyAbbottMHR publicly backs Torbay, Brough & Sinodinos. How's that 'judgement' thing going for you Tony? #auspol [i]Andrew Elder ‏@awelder Protected account1m[/i] @MWhalan Turnbull has been craven before Murdoch, Telstra. Learnt at the feet of KPacker @Matthew_J_Berry @LachlanFHarris [i]TheFinnigans天地有道人无道 ‏@Thefinnigans4m[/i] Oh Dear, Tony Abbott walks away again from the Press when the tough questions on the chaos of LNP started [b]Twitterverse[/b] [i]Digital Parents Aus ‏@DigiParentsAUS1h[/i] Watch the clip here: http://www.edenriley.com/2013/03/so-this-blogger-walks-into-kirribilli.html?m=1 … #edenmeetsthePM #DPCON13 [i]Townsville Labor ‏@TownsvilleLabor[/i] Go Albo!!! - http://www.townsvillelabor.org/1/post/2013/03/go-albo.html … @AlboMP #auspol #nqpol #nqlabor [i]Paul Krugman ‏@NYTimeskrugman5h[/i] Shorter Cyprus http://nyti.ms/WBnqLh [i]Stephen Koukoulas ‏@TheKouk6m[/i] My Business Spectator column today: Cyprus shoots itself in the foot http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/3/20/european-crisis/cyprus-shoots-itself-foot … @businessspec [i]Greg Jericho ‏@GrogsGamut[/i] Me RT @ABCthedrum: Australian consumers have good reason to be confident: http://bit.ly/ZsNubr [i]Agnes Mack ‏@AgnessMack1h[/i] "voters aren't falling over themselves to reward the Gillard government for its world-beating economic credentials' http://bit.ly/15Zi9Qt Expand [i]Matt Cowgill ‏@MattCowgill6m[/i] Restrictions on housing construction hurt low-paid workers http://j.mp/15YLSJe [i]AshGhebranious ‏@AshGhebranious[/i] @tim_chr @tim_chr http://is.gd/VtNTvR [i]chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys11m[/i] World Worst? Murdoch News Ltd propaganda rag The Australian. All 7 Page1 articles &cartoon attack LAB Govt #auspol https://twitter.com/chrismurphys/status/314110943502143488/photo/1 [i]chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys2h[/i] The disgraceful dishonest misuse of freedom of speech to overwhelm the electorate. NewsLtd terrorism. #auspol https://twitter.com/chrismurphys/status/314086428709621760/photo/1 [i]Victoria Rollison ‏@Vic_Rollison9h[/i] Has News Ltd been hacked? This http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/3/19/politics/worst-government-ever-not-yet … and this http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/swamped-by-politics-of-dishonesty/story-e6frerc6-1226600078631 … What is going on? [i]LaborForRefugees ‏@labor4refugees1[/i] #Australia #auspol Libs Kick Off Border Protection Campaign #refugees #AsylumSeekers... http://fb.me/1cNUXRLtl [i]margo kingston ‏@margokingston18h[/i] In Britain, 'the press is free, but balance tilted a little in favour of the citizen against bare-knuckle thuggery'. http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/18/will-britains-press-repent-its-nasty-ways … [i]Peter Clarke ‏@MediaActive1m[/i] Australian Media Reform legislation analysis from @MargaretSimons http://bit.ly/15WVBQj @journalism_melb @crikey_news #nct13 [i]Peter Clarke ‏@MediaActive39m[/i] That media reform legislation moves bumping thru the parliamentary obstacle course http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=357112 @BernardKeane #nct13 @crikey_news [i]El ‏@bluntshovels9m[/i] As usual, @latingle asks the right questions on the #leadershit. What would really happen if PM Gillard is ousted? http://www.afr.com/p/national/mission_impossible_heal_labor_yBzb3ZGJiEFSQW34UzU0SK … [i]El ‏@bluntshovels3m[/i] Would rather read pieces like this, on Torbay and Obeid, from @smurray38 any day, than the rubbish around today. http://boilermakerbill.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/a-nationals-mps-take-on-obeid-and-torbay-from-the-parliamentary-record/ … [i]Libtard Banshee ‏@LibtardBanshee1h[/i] OH MY! #auspol RT @margokingston1: EXCLUSIVE: Perrett urges AFP to investigate #Ashby now, adds Abetz to list http://wp.me/p2WWGt-HR [i]Laurie Kidd ‏@KiddCaptain Protected account7m[/i] Australia is not ready for the next big dry http://theconversation.edu.au/australia-is-not-ready-for-the-next-big-dry-12819 … via @conversationedu

nasking

20/03/2013 ARE THE UK TORIES GIVING US AN IDEA OF WHAT EDUCATION WOULD BE LIKE UNDER CHRISTOPHER PYNE AS EDUCATION MINISTER?: [b]100 academics savage Education Secretary Michael Gove for 'conveyor-belt curriculum' for schools[/b] [b]Michael Gove’s proposed new national curriculum will severely damage education standards by insisting children learn “endless lists of spellings, facts and rules”, experts are warning. In a letter to The Independent, 100 education academics warn that the new curriculum promotes “rote learning without understanding” and demands “too much too young”. The academics, all of whom are either professors of education or teach in university education departments, write: “This mountain of data will not develop children’s ability to think – including problem-solving, critical understanding and creativity.” Their intervention means the Education Secretary faces dissent on yet another front over his education reforms – coming just 36 hours after teachers’ leaders warned of strike action over plans to squeeze their pensions and end automatic annual incremental pay rises for the profession, plus opposition to his plans to force under-performing schools to become academies. The signatories to the letter, who include leading figures in the world of academia such as Professor Terry Wrigley, from Leeds Metropolitan University, who co-ordinated the letter with Professor Michael Bassey from Nottingham Trent University, said: “A system which is very, very heavily prescribed and which encourages cramming through tests actually reduces fairly sharply the development of thinking. The pupils memorise just enough detail to get over the hurdle of the tests.” Professor Wrigley added: “I think if these reforms go ahead it will be miserable for the children. Secondly, I think it will put further emphasis on memorisation and rote learning rather than understanding.” The academics’ intervention also follows a controversy over changes planned for the history curriculum – where historians and teachers claim the proposals neglect world history in favour of the chronological learning of facts about British history. Sir Richard Evans, Regius Professor of history at Cambridge University, said they would restore “rote learning of the patriotic stocking-fillers so beloved of traditionalists”.[/b] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/100-academics-savage-education-secretary-michael-gove-for-conveyorbelt-curriculum-for-schools-8541262.html NOT GOOD...NOT GOOD AT ALL. EDUCATION WARFARE. N'

nasking

20/03/2013 LYN AND JANET, TOP LINKS AND TWEETS...GREAT WORK. THREE APT TWEETS: [b]Bernard Keane ‏@BernardKeane8m peak derp reached - Fairfax articles quoting their own editors on leadership speculation chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys2h The disgraceful dishonest misuse of freedom of speech to overwhelm the electorate. NewsLtd terrorism. #auspol twitter.com/.../1 margo kingston ‏@margokingston18h In Britain, 'the press is free, but balance tilted a little in favour of the citizen against bare-knuckle thuggery'. m.guardian.co.uk/.../will-britains-press-repent-its-nasty-ways … [/b] INDEED. AUSSIE COALITION ARE A SAD CASE BURYING HEAD IN SAND. N'

nasking

20/03/2013 MY RESPECT FOR ANDREW WILKIE JUST TOOK A NOSE-DIVE...HAVING SUPPORTED HIM THRU THICK AND THIN OVER MANY YEARS I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. SEEMS HE'S NOT THE HERO I THOUGHT HE WAS. I WONDER IF MEDIA APPLIED PRESSURE? FANCY LETTING THE MSM WHO HAVE BASHED HIM TIME AND TIME AGAIN OFF THE HOOK. SAD. PERHAPS HE'S HAD TOO MANY BATTLES AND GOT SCARED. CAN HAPPEN. HIS COMMENTS HAVE CERTAINLY GOT SKY NEWS EXCITED...SLOBBERING LIKE DESPERATE DOGS. NOT SURE HE INTENDED TO HELP THE LIKES OF THEM. PERHAPS NEWS LTD HAS DONE A DEAL WITH HIM? THAT WOULD BE TRAGIC? N'

Catching up

20/03/2013Nasking, felt the same. Not that I had much time for him. Like many others, blames others when things go wrong. Still blaming the PM for not delivering his impossible gambling bill. Also, looking after his own seat. Probably believes there are votes in dumping the PM.

nasking

20/03/2013 [b]Also, looking after his own seat. Probably believes there are votes in dumping the PM.[/b] CU, POLITICS...A RUTHLESS GAME AIN'T IT? WELL, LET'S HOPE PM GILLARD CAN NEGOTIATE HER WAY INTO ANOTHER VICTORY. IF NOT...THE BELLS OF DOOM WILL BE RINGING. I'D HATE TO SEE THAT BULLY BOY MURDOCH AND HIS GREEDY VAMPS WIN AGAIN. WILL MAKE AUSTRALIA A LARFING STOCK AFTER THE REFORMS IN THE UK. WE'LL LOOK LIKE A COUNTRY UNDER THE HEEL OF A MEDIA BARON. AND MINING BARONS. SAD. N'

lyn

20/03/2013Hi Janet our little Gypsy, Your Twitterverse is absolutely magnificent, thankyou very very much for your collection of important information. You are right Janie the Twitter stream is faster than the traffic on Pitt Street Sydney and the bloggers are churning out the facts in fast forward. Thankyou 2353 and Nasking ♥ ♥ A few more snippits for you:- Paul Syvret ‏@PSyvret 10s Prime Minister slams Abbott's grasp on global economics during Question Time | The Courier Mail Relive all the action from today's Question Time as reported via Twitter by national political reporters Malcolm Farr and Jessica Marszalek below http://www.news.com.au/national-news/prime-minister-slams-tony-abbotts-grasp-on-global-economics-during-question-time/story-fncynjr2-1226601519994 Thomson may be key to passing media reform laws @ 3:22PM http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-may-be-key-to-passing-media-reform-laws-20130320-2geje.html Steve Cannane ‏@SteveCannane 17m David Marr also has some new revelations about the alleged Tony Abbott 'punch'.thedrum :):):)

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20/03/2013Hi Lyn Thank you for your very kind remarks. I’m glad you enjoyed the post. It seems to have evoked thoughtful responses. I’m still working through this morning’s links. I’ve been watching the NPC address, QT and the doorstops by Bob Katter and Andrew Wilkie – how time flies. The media frenzy around what they are urging – a leadership change – continues unabated. This is their usual behaviour. What is annoying is that Labor figures can’t resist talking to the piranhas, thereby exacerbating their agitation. I see Laura Tingle has been caught up in it, which shows how widespread the feeding frenzy has become. It’s hard enough for PMJG to have to fight a grossly antagonistic media, without having to cope with the subversion in her own ranks. BTW, I wonder how much airtime David Ettridge’s suing of Tony Abbott will get! Janet Thank you for the Twittertalk; what an interesting collection. The Burgess and Svyret articles are among the very few in the MSM that tell it the way it is. KHTAGH Thank you for your kind comment. I believe that Hockey was referring to middle class welfare, but of course it supports poorer folk too. Labor is trying to redistribute it from the middle class to the poor, but I doubt if that would be Hockey’s idea.

nasking

20/03/2013 COULD ROB OAKESHOTT BE A HERO...AGAIN? HOPE SO. N'

Michael

20/03/2013How to vote? First, examine your values. Labor. Well, duhh, have you watched Coalition politicians?

Catching up

20/03/2013Ad astra, we know that Hockey does not mean to the poor. We know this, because he has condemned every saving Labor has made in this regard, promising to restore it. As for Labor MP's talking to the media. I read somewhere that most are now not answering their calls. If I was an MP, I would be tempted to lead them on. Suspect that happened last week. Trouble is, it could backfire.

MWS

20/03/2013Has this article by John Watson been mentioned today? http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/penchant-for-picking-a-winner-is-poll-waffle-20130320-2ge6q.html Sorry, haven't been around much and haven't had time to read everybody's comments. I promise I will try harder in future.

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20/03/2013Folks To bring you up to date with the final WA election results, the LNP won 38 seats, Labor 21. Swing to LNP: 9.9%. Swing against Labor: 2.7%

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20/03/201321 seats. That is better than Smith hoped for. Not as big landslide that was made out. In fact many seats were on less than 1 % margin. Not much of a swing for them to go.

Pikiranku

20/03/2013TT I mightn't look like Mary Lee (my gravatar) but I'm aiming to be like her - a strong and feisty Labor woman. She was a pioneer in a great tradition. Strong and feisty - that's the new me! Love it! AA Excellent post, as always. Can't these entrepeneurial turkeys see that if the people have no money they themselves will have no customers? The trouble is that they're all going for the short-term quick kill - make as much money as possible as quickly as possible, no matter who you crush along the way. That's one of the major differences between the Labor approach and the LNP - as much as it's possible in our system Labor takes a long-term view, the Libs don't look past the next election. That's why most of the major infrastructure in this country has been built by Labor.

Gravel

20/03/2013Ad Astra Looking forward to the rest of your How to vote series. So far I have to agree with Labors economic stance, which I have always done, as they are the only party that does look after the needy as opposed to the wanty. Belated Birthday Wishes for yesterday, hope you had a wonderful day, and many more to come.

LadyInRed

20/03/2013Ad another great piece pointing out the differences between the ideology of each of the parties. I hate it when people say they are the same as each other because clearly they are not. I would like to add something I read in Goerge Lakoff's [i]Don't think of the Elephant! Know your values and Frame the Debate[/i] Basically it was our parents that paid for much of the infrastructure that we enjoy today, highways, ports, schools, education, communications systems, the internet, airports etc. Our taxes go to improve and continue to develop these. One day we can add the NBN to this list. [i] Perhaps Bill Gates Sr. said it best. In arguing to keep the inheritance tax, he pointed out that he and Bill Jr, did not invent the internet.[/i] There is no such thing as a self-made man (or woman), ultimately every successful person used tax payer funded infrastructure to get where they are : the banking system, the Reserve Bank, treasury, the justice system, stable government...the list goes on. One day people will become rich or richer off the back of the NBN. So whenever I here Gina, or Clive or Twiggy bang on about what they bring to this country I see red. There is no such thing as self-made person.

Tom of Melbourne

20/03/2013[i]” Not as big landslide that was made out.”[/i] Really???? • The Liberals increase their vote by almost 10% • They have about twice as many seats as the ALP And it’s not so bad?? Bizarre.

Tom of Melbourne

20/03/2013[quote] MY RESPECT FOR ANDREW WILKIE JUST TOOK A NOSE-DIVE...[/quote] Wilkie won’t be railroaded. Gillard and Conroy sought to truncate the ability of the parliament to scrutinize the package. They created artificial pressure, they tried devious political tactics. Their political strategy has been incompetent, they’re reaping what they have sown.

ian

20/03/2013" COULD ROB OAKESHOTT BE A HERO...AGAIN? HOPE SO. " It is my sad duty to inform you that, after exercising due diligence, the above mentioned hope has decided to reside in the back pocket of corporate media interests. Sorry.

Jason

20/03/2013Ian, The bill was withdrawn tonight, so they can work on him and the others (wilkie) excluded tomorrow.

ian

20/03/2013Jason, He had a meeting with Lachlan Murdoch late last week. To me, that says it all.

Mangrove Jack

20/03/2013I'm sorry AA, but I just have to nail this (in an otherwise great read): [quote]Labor pushed for a surplus for the current financial year in the belief that it was prudent economic policy to return to surplus after a period of stimulus. [b]And it was[/b].[/quote] I realise this is what "reasonable" folk believe, that we should balance the budget "over the cycle" but it has no validity.It is dead wrong. The truth is that whilst ever the external sector is in deficit (as it usually is) a budget surplus has to come at the expense of a private sector deficit. This was the situation that obtained during the Costello surpluses. GDP growth was only achieved by the private sector racking up record debt. This outcome is dictated by the remorseless arithmetic of the Sectoral Balance of the National Accounts. If we "progressives" want to take on the conservatives on what they believe, as a matter of faith, is their patch, then we should do some homework and learn some economics.

Jason

20/03/2013ian, Wilkie must think 100% of nothing is better than 50+% of something! Don't know what murdoch offered but what ever happens at the next election I doubt Wilkie Thomson slipper will be in the positions they're in now!

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20/03/2013MWS Thanks - grist to the mill for my next piece, just started: [i]Polls persistently poison politics[/i]

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

20/03/2013 Ian at Just asked Rob Oakeshott on Twitter whether he 'met Lachlan Murdoch last week. This was his reply: Janmah ‏@j4gypsy @SpaceKidette @OakeyMP @mahootna2 @margokingston1 Rob, did you meet with Lachlan Murdoch last week? And if so, can you tell us why? Robert Oakeshott MP ‏@OakeyMP @j4gypsy @SpaceKidette @mahootna2 @margokingston1 I met 10, 9, 7, win, sbs, content providers (actors,writers, producers etc), et al. On his Twitterstream in last couple of days he also stated that he met with and seemed to be in agreement with the MEAA, as well.

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20/03/2013Pikiranku Thank you for your kind words. You are right. Labor takes the long view and tackles infrastructure. Liberals look for short-term gains, election bribes, and quick fixes. Their major reforms are far and few between. The GST was one. Gravel Thank you. As polls are mesmerizing everyone at present, my next piece will deviate from the values theme to address this pathological obsession. I did have a great birthday. LadyinRed Thank you for your kind comment. I see that George Lakoff's [i]Don't think of the Elephant! Know your values and Frame the Debate[/i] is on Amazon. I have an Amazon voucher, so I will buy it. Mangrove Jack Thank you for your comment. You make an interesting economic argument. Can you give me a link to an authoritative exposition that supports your contention about surplus budgets? I’d be interested to read it.

Tom of Melbourne

20/03/2013The independents don’t like their image that they’re continually rounded up by the government. That’s the main reason Oakeshott won’t provide support. Gillard and Conroy tried to put them under intense pressure; they decided not to capitulate to the government’s contrived time frame. Oakeshott simply showed that he retains a small about of independence. Gillard and Conroy have shown that they are dishonest and incompetent. Gillard has to go.

Jason

20/03/2013ToM, If you say so! You are becoming more and more unhinged every day!

Tom of Melbourne

20/03/2013Jason - “unhinged” is a very restrained insult from you. You’re usually inclined to try to use insults that focus on sexual orientation or similar.

ian

20/03/2013' Robert Oakeshott MP ‏@OakeyMP @j4gypsy @SpaceKidette @mahootna2 @margokingston1 I met 10, 9, 7, win, sbs, content providers (actors,writers, producers etc), et al. and, of course, Lachlan Murdoch is the impoverished son of a provincial newspaper propietor. Channel 10..Murdoch on the board, close editorial association with News Ltd, Channel 9..owned by an international hedge fund, Channel 7..owned by Stokes, also owner of " The West Australian "daily newspaper in Perth. Content providers..writers, actors, producers..many employed by Shine productions, owned by Murdochs, started by Murdochs daughter..sold to News Ltd for approx $260 million..and then there is the Fox entertainment conglomerate. Yeh Rob, you really listened to the man/woman/child in the street and decided what was in their best interests. Thanks for that.

jane

21/03/2013Ad astra, I'm quite surprised at the WA results. The way the pundits were talking, i expected that labor would only manage to win about 10 seats, so 21 is quite a pleasant surprise. Also the swing against labor is much lower that I expected, given all the hooha from various quarters. Gives one hope for the next election and federally. I wonder why the Independents, particularly Thomson and Wilkie who have been pilloried unmercifully by the msm, refuse to back Conroy's legislation? Does anybody have any thoughts on the matter? Trolls need not apply.

bob macalba

21/03/2013Janet thanks for tweeting Oakeshott, thought i was reading a limited news headline till you sorted it. cheers, bloody rumors, you wonder how they get started

lyn

21/03/2013Today’s Links So who is threatening our democracy? @margokingston1 Is that the truth or did you read it in The Daily Telegraph? http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/so-who-is-threatening-our-democr Katter’s Babushka Media Reform by @MikeSeccombe It looked like he’d changed his mind. But in fact he was just rereading what he’d just written,to remind himself of what he thought. http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/katters-babushka-media-reform/ Re-inventing Tony: why Abbott’s attempt to woo women doesn’t bear scrutiny by Kate Gleeson Team Abbott are selling a mixed message. On one hand, he’s definitely a changed man. On the other, he’s been misunderstood all along. http://theconversation.edu.au/re-inventing-tony-why-abbotts-attempt-to-woo-women-doesnt-bear- Press Freedom For Whom? By Trevor Grant Murdoch’s record on using his media interests as pay-back against governments who fall from favour is unsurpassed. http://newmatilda.com/2013/03/20/press-freedom-whom gossip sheets by Gary Suer-Thompson They are engaged in a policy of destabilization of the Gillard Government; that is regime change in favour of an Abbott Coalition Government. see themselves as king makers who have the rights of kings http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2013/03/gossip-sheets Media Bias and Free Speech by johnlord2013 @MigloMT It is about time someone stood up to the distortions, contradictions and outright lies of the poisonous and extremist Murdoch empire and mainstream media in general http://theaimn.com/2013/03/20/media-bias-and-free-speech/ In Unity is Strength by @KayRollison Labor’s ties to the union movement are being used as yet another stick with which the mainstream media and the Opposition beat the Labor government http://theaimn.com/2013/03/20/in-unity-is-strength/ Why we have Labor leadership spills and stoushes; and how to avoid them by @MarkBahnisch http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/03/why-we-have-labor-leadership-spills-and-stoushes-and-how-to- Press regulatory ‘stick’ so tough it’s licensing #mediareforms by @JournLaw political and commercial vested interests drown out compelling and principledarguments for free expression in this Australian media http://journlaw.com/2013/03/20/press-regulatory-stick-so-tough-its-licensing-mediareforms/ Drum piece- Plus a look at Australian and USA’s GDP over the years by @GrogsGamut http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/drum-piece-plus-look-at-australian-and.html Economists show racism alive and well in Oz by @1RossGittins Australians aren't racist - and even if some people are, you and I certainly aren't http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/03/economists-show-racism-alive-and-well.html ABBOTT’S SLUSH FUND: Tony Abbott helped pole-axe One Nation bigots, now they want revenge in court by @vexnews the non-reporting is certainly an interesting insight into the self-censorship that is frequently practised by media, http://www.vexnews.com/2013/03/abbotts-slush-fund-tony-abbott-helped-pole-axe-one-nation-bigots-now-they- Trucks, Transport and Tony by @ThePubBlog the same media lets Tony Abbott get away with all his stunts, because he is the Anointed One, and they will be paid back handsomely when he gets into power and hands over the keys to the NBN, http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/03/20/trucks-transport-and-tony/ Three men and a PM- who should lead the ALP- by @Cheaper_Rubies The Labor Party needs to stick with the leader they have chosen despite the polls. A change now will only remind http://cheaperthanrubies.com/2013/03/20/three-men-and-a-pm-who-should-lead-the-alp/ Facts speak for themselves, Australia still lucky country by Matthew Donovan @independentaus Time to start spreading the word and letting facts finally enter the discussion. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/facts-speak-for-themselves-australia-still-l Tony Abbott: high anxiety by @minkel2012 onward Tony Abbott hastens all a’flurry on a road back to nowhere http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/tony-abbott-high-anxiety/ Tony Abbott's 'Australians for Honest Politics Trust' may come under the legal spotlight by @no_filter_Yamba Former One Nation Co-founder states intention to sue Liberal Party Leader Tony Abbott http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/tony-abbotts-australians-for-honest.html What Prime Minister Gillard Told Tony Abbott About Freedom Of Speech by @turnleft2013 really about “freedom to bully governments http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/what-prime-minister-told-tony-abbott-about-freedom-of-speech/ Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 21 March 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

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21/03/2013Lyn Thanks for your great links, if I don't get time to get them here, I get them from your twitter, so I make sure I don't miss any. :-)

Truth Seeker

21/03/2013Abbott's Puppet Masters http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/abbotts-puppet-masters/ Cheers :grin:

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21/03/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

janice

21/03/2013Good morning all. Great article Ad astra. Nasking, I did not expect that Wilkie would support the media laws - in my opinion he is a man out to promote himself first at all times, is a typical Tory and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could kick him. He also has a grossly inflated opinion of his own importance and I hope his electorate have sussed him out and vote him out on Sept 14th. The one I am most disappointed in is Oakeshott.

Mangrove Jack

21/03/2013Ad astra at 9.39 pm... Here's a link to our own Professor Bill Mitchell on the subject of balanced budgets: "Balancing budget over cycle is not a sound fiscal rule" http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=22871#more-22871 One issue that Mitchell doesn't address in that article, and which gets conservatives hyperventilating, is the accumulating debt. So I'll just add this: It is a self imposed rule without any functional necessity that governments must issue debt to match the deficits. It is a hangover from earlier times when our currency was tied to a form of gold standard but which we abandoned in the 70's. The issuance of debt however is a nice little earner for the parasitic bond market so the practice has been kept up. Mitchell calls it corporate welfare. When Costello got rid of "The Debt" (by flogging assets) he still kept issuing Commonwealth Govt Securities to keep the bond market happy. So, contrary to the conventional wisdom, our budget should almost always be in deficit. It's the deficit that puts new money into the economy and allows the private sector to accumulate financial assets.

Mangrove Jack

21/03/2013And further to my comment above here's a little gem that would drive a stake right through the heart of the Tea Party (and its analogues down under), if 'twere better known: http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/02/real-dollars-and-funny-money.html An easy 5 minute read dealing with what is to most folk a mystery.

jane

21/03/2013janice @8.20am, I agree with you. Wilkie is all over the shop, refusing to compromise or discuss anything. It's all or nothing with him. And he doesn't seem, or want, to understand that although he's most likely right about things like pokie reform, with the Liars, the msm and big gambling ranged against his legislation, it's dead in the water. I'd hate to be a hostage with him in the negotiator's seat. However, why he doesn't want media reform is a mystery; it's not as though the media has at any time been kind to him. In some ways, I think he's as ratty as Bob Katter. Oakeshott is the one who has surprised me, considering the treatment he has had from the press. Ditto Thomson; probably the most surprising of all. You'd think he'd relish the chance to stick it to the msm.

Pikiranku

21/03/2013Hi Jason! Wrt your comment on Wilkie yesterday and Janice and Jane's follow-up this morning - yes, it's obvious that Wilkie would rather have 100% of nothing than 50% (or more) of something. When he spat the dummy on pokie reform he illustrated that quite clearly. If politics, as they say, is the art of the possible, then Wilkie is clearly in the wrong job. I, too, hope that the electors of Denison wake up to this in September. People complain bitterly about the rigidity of the two-party system, but it gives electors a very clear idea of what their condidates stand for. With wild-card independents - Xenophon, Wilkie, Oakeshott for eg. - you have absolutely no idea which way they're going to jump. They give independents a bad name. The only independent in the current parliament whom I have real respect for is the one whose political views are probably furthest from my own and that's Tony Windsor. He may be far too conservative for my taste but I have great belief in his integrity, his concern for the general good and his common sense. But generally speaking, political (party) discipline = predictability, and you can give me that any day when I'm making a voting decision.

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21/03/2013janice Thank you for your kind comment. Mangrove Jack Thank you for the link to the [i]billy blog[/i] article by Bill Mitchell. I read it through but must admit towards the end I found his formulas hard to fathom. But that’s not surprising – I’m not an economist. It is a different take on the merits of budget surpluses, to which attention should be given. I see that the commenters don’t all agree with Bill’s thesis. Economics is a difficult area of study where there are many opposing views; it’s hard for the ordinary person to know who is right. Because of the large number of variables that impinge upon economic activity, maybe there is no absolute right or wrong. The article by Devin Smith was an informative read; his conclusion seems to support your view of surplus and debt. Thank you for going to the trouble to dig these articles out for me. I have bookmarked them for reference. Although an amateur at economics, I do enjoy studying it.

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21/03/2013janice Thank you for your kind comment. Mangrove Jack Thank you for the link to the [i]billy blog[/i] article by Bill Mitchell. I read it through but must admit towards the end I found his formulas hard to fathom. But that’s not surprising – I’m not an economist. It is a different take on the merits of budget surpluses, to which attention should be given. I see that the commenters don’t all agree with Bill’s thesis. Economics is a difficult area of study where there are many opposing views; it’s hard for the ordinary person to know who is right. Because of the large number of variables that impinge upon economic activity, maybe there is no absolute right or wrong. The article by Devin Smith was an informative read; his conclusion seems to support your view of surplus and debt. Thank you for going to the trouble to dig these articles out for me. I have bookmarked them for reference. Although an amateur at economics, I do enjoy studying it.

Tom of Melboune

21/03/2013 • I think Rudd would possibly win an election. So it’s a choice between ALP decimation and a possible ALP win. • If Rudd won, he would be determined to take a strong roll in some internal ALP reform, sideling the union hacks that run the party. This is vital. • Rudd has previously said election of Gillard would represent a “lurch to the right” on asylum seekers. How right he was. • Rudd would represent a sense of democratisation, as people preferred him at the time of his knifing, and have maintained this opinion since. • Rudd would introduce a new Cabinet, getting rid of a range of chain draggers such as Swan. • Rudd has sent some signals that he would be supportive of marriage equality, he hasn’t painted himself into a corner the way Gillard has. Return to Rudd would provide the ALP with impetus, even if they lost they would remain a viable party. A loss under Gillard will be devastating for its viability. The likelihood is that a Rudd government would be a more transparent and progressive than the current incompetent, dishonest one.

TalkTurkey

21/03/2013Greetings Comrades, Sorry not nothing for a couple of days, I'm working on something though. But here's something I want to re-post (with Ad astra's permission.) I wish I could write music, but I can't, that's why I'm always writing parodies instead of songs. But I want to give us all a giant ear-worm that will bore into brains, unite minds, and stiffen resolve - as only fighting songs can do. But this one TT was actually challenged to do by Ad himself, it's a feisty tune, and the [i]original[/i] Lyrics are too, so the Turkey had a good template. Please let it infect and inspire you some for the second time. On March 11 at 5.24 PM last year, Ad astra posted in a reply to PatriciaWA - [i]... The Fifth Estate must support (Wayne Swan's) campaign vigorously. We look forward to rousing verses from you and TT. What about something like ‘Do you hear the people sing’ from Les Misérables? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzmYhiu-zs [/i] On March 12 at 1.50 AM I replied: [i]Jeez Ad, sure you wouldn’t like me to write a parody of the whole of Les Mis? (It was a pleasure really, the last verse was a bit painful but!)[/i] [ From: www.metrolyrics.com/...-lyrics-les-miserables.html ] Read more: LES MISERABLES - DO YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING LYRICS www.metrolyrics.com/...-lyrics-les-miserables.html Copied from MetroLyrics.com [b][u]Comrades Of The Sword[/u][/b] [i]Will you heed Ad astra's call summoning Comrades of the Sword? It's an urgent plea to spread the Truth that must not be ignored! Now the greedy and the rich threaten the welfare of us all, Will you wield the Sword and answer Ad astra's call? Will you help in our campaign? This is a fight that we must win! The chance won’t come again, now raise your voice above the din! So join in the fight alongside Ad astra and Lyn! Will you heed Ad astra's call summoning Comrades of the Sword? It's an urgent plea to spread the Truth that must not be ignored! Now the greedy and the rich threaten the welfare of us all, Will you wield the Sword and answer Ad astra's call? Will you help to play your part? And will you write for all you’re worth? From Darwin down to Hobart-town, from Brisbane west to Perth, We must help save Australia to help save the rest of the Earth! Will you heed Ad astra's call summoning Comrades of the Sword? It's an urgent plea to spread the Truth that must not be ignored! Now the greedy and the rich threaten the welfare of us all, Will you wield the Sword and answer Ad astra's call?[/i] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original lyrics [u]When Tomorrow Comes[/u] Do you hear the people sing? Singing a song of angry men? It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again! When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drums There is a life about to start when tomorrow comes! Will you join in our crusade? Who will be strong and stand with me? Somewhere beyond the barricade is there a world you long to see? Then join in the fight that will give you the right to be free! Do you hear the people sing? Singing a song of angry men? It is the music of a people Who will not be slaves again! When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drums There is a life about to start When tomorrow comes! Will you give all you can give so that our banner may advance? Some will fall and some will live: will you stand up and take your chance? The blood of the martyrs will water the meadows of France! Do you hear the people sing? Singing a song of angry men? It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again! When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drums There is a life about to start when tomorrow comes! [ From: www.metrolyrics.com/...-lyrics-les-miserables.html ] Read more: LES MISERABLES - DO YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING LYRICS www.metrolyrics.com/...-lyrics-les-miserables.html Copied from MetroLyrics.com TalkTurkey ~~~And BTW PatriciaWA answered Ad in verse in quick time too! Just go to the Archives and find it just hours later at March 12. 2012 05:00 PM: [u]DECLARING WAR IS NOT SWAN'S WAY![/u] I am so proud, and [i]inspired[/i], to be able to contribute to Ad's Blog! and I know I am far from alone.

42 long

21/03/2013Rudd is a great team player ( a team of ONE) He has so much baggage that the OPN would tear him to shreds. TurnBULL suggested he resign most days (for some reason or another) when HE was the LOTO. I could fill pages but I'm not going to provide material for his detractors. Some thought he was some kind of messiah but he was a weird guy with brainfarts and a brittle temperament,who speaks mandarin but doesn't understand chinese.

TalkTurkey

21/03/2013Abbortt following *J*U*L*I*A* in apology to forced adoptions. This filthy creep! - The man who - [i]thinking his girlfriend had given birth to his own son[/i], [b]fled to England pretending to want to be a Catholic Priest![/b] Oh the crowd has just picked up on him! He's getting the bollocking of a lifetime! [i]YIPPPPPEEEEEEEEE!!!![/i]

Pikiranku

21/03/2013What a woman! What a leader! Our amazing Julia! (Now that I've wiped away the tears and recovered enough to post.) That was just about the most moving and wonderful speech I've ever heard. And delivered with such compassion and composure! How can she do that? With all the shite flying around her, the leadership stuff, the media laws negotiations going on all night, quite apart from the day-to-day responsibilities of running the country and being on top of absolutely everything the way she is - Julia manages to deliver a speech like that! She makes me proud to be an Australian - and it's a while since I could say that.

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21/03/2013Talk Turkey Thank you for reposting your stirring [i]Comrades of the Sword[/i]. What inspirational verse it is. The fight is ahead: against the traditional enemy, the Opposition, against a venomous media, and sadly also against the internal malcontents. Let’s hope that today will see the end of this internal disruption and a re-focus on governing in the interests of all the people, which is what PMJG has been doing all along.

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21/03/2013Folks [b]Who could not be immensely proud of our PM, Julia Gillard, as she delivered, on behalf of the nation, the moving apology to those affected by Forced Adoption.[/b]

2353

21/03/2013Don't forget Wilkie was an army officer. He's a bit like Newman. A lot of ex-military and police can't understand shades of grey - the response has to be absolute. Sooner or later it brings them down - but they can do incredible damage prior to that. There is a perfect example of this in Newmania at the moment. You might remember that a couple of weeks after election he effectively sacked his police minister for driving while unlicenced (despite claims of not knowing his licence was suspended). Currently a LNP backbencher is under media pressure because he used to run an "independent" association of shopkeepers prior to becoming an MP. He allegedly is still running the association from his electorate office and there are claims he/his wife is being paid a high salary for doing so. Newman has done nothing. This is the absolutes at work - ditching a Minister at the first whiff of trouble versus defending stoutly a MP who on the facts reported clearly has questions to answer. In both cases, no sidelineing while the facts are determined - just a absolute action based on facts that are not in the public domain. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/redcliffe-mp-scott-driscoll-has-been-caught-lying-to-parliament-about-phone-lines-installed-in-his-office/story-e6freoof-1226601982613

Tom of Melboune

21/03/2013Media legislation fails! The actions of Gillard and Conroy in the all or nothing ultimatum deserved to fail. Gillard committed to inclusiveness with the independents, then held a gun at their heads The tactic is typical of Gillard’s entrenched behaviour. She isn’t honest, she prefers political intrigue, pressure, double dealing. She is a true child of the ALP machine. Gillard should go.

Casablanca

21/03/2013Crean has just announced he has asked the PM to call a spill. Crean supports Rudd. Crean will run for the Deputy Leadership.

Tom of Melboune

21/03/2013Crean is participating in "baseless speculation" Rudd will have to win. Gillard is damaged beyond repair, and she has been for about 2 years.

Curi-Oz

21/03/2013Dear gods, Why is it that my first response is to thank Mr Crean (and Mr Rudd and the MSM) for giving us the next Abbott government?! Thank you Ad Astra for providing an easier means of informing the various politicians involved my feelings on the matter. Off to calm down slightly - otherwise the first drafts are likely to be incendiary *cross*

Michael

21/03/2013So Crean calls fpr a spill and says he'll stand as deputy leader. The 'deputy leader' is traditionally the country's Treasurer. Who guessed Simon Crean had such simmering leadership ambitions, 'the country can go to hell'? I remember seeing Crean on Q&A late last year. He got so tied up in answering questions from the floor that the Coalition would make mincemeat of him in a real forum.

bob macalba

21/03/2013Off to the shed to mull things over, not tuning in for at least 24hrs, bloody bloody white ants, nobody wins here, f@#$ f@#$ f@#$ poo, tuning out now

Casablanca

21/03/2013Running the Labor Party is like trying to herd a gaggle of cats. Julia Gillard has had the added burden of herding the cats on the the cross-benchers.

42 long

21/03/2013I can't feel that there is any great "depth" in the Crean Move, having watched it unfold on the ABC24. Too many whiteants. Too many unpredictable outcomes. A bit of pressure and the weakest crumble. Julia won't accede to the request I believe. Will Caucus get the 35 required to call for action? What if they don't? Nothing achieved and more damage.

Curi-Oz

21/03/2013Seeing the first accusations that it is an MSM coup. Fascinating in how it is all swirling on Twitter - lots of unimpressed tweets...

42 long

21/03/2013The MSM can take a lot of credit/blame. They play kingmaker amd witch chaser. being unelected they exceed their moral authority but like the whores they are they serve their master well. With the LieNP we have the best politicians money can buy. Similarly they majority of MSM Journo's have sold their souls for a few sheckels

janice

21/03/2013What a lot of stupid, stupid, idiots there are in caucus. They've given a great big win to the media and the coalition. If they reinstate Rudd, Labor loses my support but I won't be voting for the monkey either. Crean has gone down in my estimation - he's lost his marbles completely, especially if he thinks Rudd has changed. Someone mentioned earlier that Julia should give them all the royal salute and go see the GG and call the election pronto.

jane

21/03/2013ToM, the only problem with your solution is that Rudd was, and still would be, a terrible PM. And whoever he has in his cabinet, the end result would be the same-his removal from the PMship, because NOBODY would be able to work with him. He has a good public persona, which unfortunately does not translate to a work situation, where he has been proven to be very poor management material. He was never a uniting or energising force, ffs. If he was and had majority support from the caucus, he would STILL be PM. And he still doesn't have the numbers to roll Gillard. And his whiteanting and backgrounding have added to the general distrust of him. How can you have any confidence in someone who, instead of working to improve Labor's chances of re-election, actively conducts a campaign to undermine its chances by whiteanting, backgrounding and tattling to the opposition? And why would you reward such behaviour by promoting such a person to leader? Ask yourself whether you could possibly trust him. Everything you regurgitate about Gillard is a straight regurgitation from the Murdoch, Liars Party and shock jock handbook, known only for their lies, smear, obfuscation, FUD, unfounded allegations, rumour mongering and bullshit. And knowing what we now know about the Meredeochracy, why would you possibly take anything they say as true? And there is yet more evidence of its widespread corruption, but you still choose to parrot their propaganda? No doubt you think Turnbull should also be restored to LOTO, even though he was, and would still be, a terrible LOTO. Another one whose gigantic ego makes him impossible to work with. You say the Gillard government is corrupt and incompetent and your evidence is to parrot Liars Party and msm lies. You insist there is a "carbon tax" ignoring all evidence proving you're wrong. You insist that Gillard should have moved mountains wrt Wilkie's pokies reform, knowing full well that it would not have passed in the Lower House-no support from the Liars, or the Independents. That is not a breach of faith on Gillard's part. All the more so because pokies reform is part of the government's policy platform. Being issued with a magic wand is not included with the keys to the Lodge. If you haven't got the numbers, the bill doesn't get passed. Recognising that and being prepared to try a different approach is what good leaders and negotiators do; they don't keep doing the same thing, hoping they'll get a different result. But keep banging your head against that brick wall. All it does is confirm your inflexibility and inability to think laterally.

Casablanca

21/03/2013PM calls spill for Leadership positions at 4.30 today. Just think back to Kevin Rudd's response to the tap on his shoulder. Albeit the tap came from way out of left field, unlike the present situation. Gillard has been strong in her response to the first couple of questions. LOTO now moved for a suspension of standing orders to call for a vote of no confidence. Our fate is in the hands of Tony Windsor more than anyone else.

N'ellie May

21/03/2013Dear Ad, Lyn and all fellow travellers, Just watching our wonderful Prime mustering all her dignity during what must be a very stressful Question Time for her. She has my complete respect for the years of struggle and tireless work she has put in for the people of Australia. Having had a female PM, barely 100 years since women were given the vote, has been ground-breaking territory for the Australian people. However, she has had to endure too much disgusting bullying and many tirades of abuse from so many who have lined up to intimidate and ridicule her and it has been shameful to watch. This day will go down in history as one of shame for the Labor Party and I could weep for the committed supporters who can't believe this is really happening.

Catching up

21/03/2013Jane, Crean believes he can control Rudd. Even if Rudd does not want him for deputy. Yes, a lot of fools. Also those who are wiping the PM off, without waiting for the ballot in 4.30. Yes, Abbott has moved for vote of no confidence. Nothing new to say. By the way, Crean should have that petition signed before he made his call. Abbott should have shut up. Once again, cannot help himself, is over reaching.

Catching up

21/03/2013jane, I will be joining you with my vote. Hope there is a decent independent standing. Will not have much trouble changing, as I have little respect for my local member.

MWS

21/03/2013So Rupert is hoping to replace the PM with another "YES MAN." I have never said this before about anybody - but I hope Rupert Murdoch becomes incapacitated very soon - won't go as far as wishing he was dead. He has damaged Britain, the USA and Australia with his meddling and lies.

jane

21/03/2013Lyn, just read Ross Gittins piece on racism and economics. It explains a lot and at the same time is quite shocking. Obviously a lot more education is needed.

Catching up

21/03/2013Has Rudd nominated yet?

Catching up

21/03/2013Listening to the PM. As I said, Abbott should have shut up, and resisted putting the boot in. One thing for sure, it will not be Rudd that walks it out that door, in victory. This vote needs more than a majority, I believe.

Catching up

21/03/2013Was not grantede leave to move no confidence motion. Is seeking leave. Needs an absolute majority. PM appears to be in full control. Appears very confidence.

Casablanca

21/03/2013The PM is standing to respond to the motion. "[Mr Abbott] filled the space with the only thing he knows how to do and that is negativity, bitterness and the politics of personal assault." "This is a government that has got on with the job and has governed well." The PM is talking about the government's record on the economy and its performance during and after the global financial crisis. "I am proud that this week we have extended more funding to women who work in childcare centres. Why shouldn't women who work in childcare centres with children, our most precious resource, have better pay and conditions? Why can't the leader of the opposition be a big enough man to support that?" The PM is giving a strong defence of her policies to defend workers' rights and, in particular women. She mentions not only childcare workers, but aged workers, better protection for women who are leaving violent relationships, paid parental leave and increasing the tax free threshold for low paid workers (who are more likely to be women). The PM: "Here we are as a nation strong, resilient, emerging from the global financial crisis well." "It is a future of opportunity that is not assured." Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-21-march-2013-20130321-2ggsv.html#ixzz2O8rIWWgM An impressive performance from the PM. She concluded with remarks along the lines of I will continue to be PM.

jane

21/03/2013What a bunch of nancy boys! Hope the PM comes out stronger than ever and the Ruddites are kicked to kingdom come. Is Rudd now in the Liars camp? If so, they're welcome. He can start whiteanting Liealot as fast as he can lick. Idiots! Get behind the PM, after being checked for knives, and sell, sell, sell this government. And just when there are a few articles about Liars corruption starting to appear in the press.

Casablanca

21/03/2013@ March 21. 2013 02:13 PM I said: [i]LOTO now moved for a suspension of standing orders to call for a vote of no confidence.[/i] This was not quite correct. LOTO wanted to launch straight into a No Confidence motion but this was dis-allowed. He therefore went for a suspension of standing orders which he has just lost. LOTO needed an absolute majority of 76 but only garnered 73. At the start the PM said to LOTO, 'Take your best shot'. After LOTO's motion was lost she said, 'I invited the LOTO to take his best shot, all we got was a damp squid so I ask that QT be ended or WTTE. Impressive performance from our PM. Lets hope that the Caucus comes to its senses.

Casablanca

21/03/2013Windsor, Wilkie and Oakeshott voted with the Opposition. Slipper and Thomson voted with the Government. Bob Katter was not present. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-21-march-2013-20130321-2ggsv.html#ixzz2O8xB3NBd

2353

21/03/2013Think about the tone of Crean's Press Conference this morning. While I'm not a member of the ALP Caucus and I'm not aware of the rules, it would make sense that if you call for a spill of leadership positions you must "want" - i.e nominate for one of them yourself. Crean rightly has said the destablisation has gone on long enough, it should be put to an end and if alternatives to Gillard believe they have the numbers they should put up or shut up. Notably, Crean also said that while he would run for the Deputy Leader, he believed he would not be the first choice of the person he believed wanted the leadership. What if . . . Crean either flushes out nobody who is willing to take on the leadership (I haven't seen anything saying there is a contender yet) or the alternative leadership contender is soundly beaten again? Crean then withdraws his nomination and nothing changes. Is Crean working for or against the PM? Either way, the press reports are demonstrated to be erroneous and the Prime Minister gets relatively clear air except for the machinations of Fairfax and NewsCorp. After all for most of 2012, there was little talk about leadership speculation in the ALP. I'm not saying that's whats going on, it's just an alternate viewpoint. The real issue remains that ALP MP's continue to spill their guts to the media. For [insert series of expletives here] sake - SHUT UP if you want to sit on the correct side of Parliament House post the next election.

Pikiranku

21/03/2013So Simon Crean thinks he'd be a good deputy PM under a Rudd leadership! Wasn't it only 2 years ago he made all those charming remarks about Rudd and his leadership: 'a prima-donna', 'not a team player', etc. Imagine how all that would look in the coalition's pre-election advertising! Give us a break, Simon. It's time you retired. (To a very distant corner - as far away as possible, in fact.) I'm very glad that Julia's taken in up to the whiteants and called a spill, that she's taken control. It'll be interesting to see whether Rudd stands or not. I think at the end of this parliamentary term he should go and join Simon - somewhere far away.

Pikiranku

21/03/20132353 Simon Crean was very clearly against the PM. He not only stated that he would support Rudd in a leadership spill, but he also said that he thought the government was heading in the wrong direction. Too much of a 'class-war' attitude. I thought Julia's speech in reply to the SSO motion was fantastic (two brilliant speeches in one day!) - she was strong, emphatic, articulate and comprehensively covered the government's achievements. I imagine she was speaking as much to her own side of the house as to the others - and I hope they were listening.

Casablanca

21/03/20133:08pm: Mr Crean's office has confirmed he was sacked from his ministerial responsibilities. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-21-march-2013-20130321-2ggsv.html#ixzz2O98JW6ag Simon committed hari kiri which is sad and perplexing. His Press Conference earlier today was one of the shorter suicide notes in political history and so unnecessary.

KHTAGH

21/03/2013 Pikiranku Re- Simon Crean, he should have gone ages ago, retired after Labors last loss under Beazly, he is the type along with Fitzgibbon that have been doing the whiteanting, just noticed on the telly that he has been fired from all his ministerial positions. I wonder if Rudd does put his hand up & loses again will he walk from the ALP trying to force either an early election or a by election?.

Curi-Oz

21/03/2013Currently watching the talking heads disect all the information that they don't have. It is edifying as to the type of circus into which the media has turned the political process. The spouse is offering me chocolate in an effort to calm me, don't think it will work until after 4:30 AEST dammit, and then it may be a question of consolation for our poorly served country.

Casablanca

21/03/2013Barry Cassidy in conversation with Lyndal Curtis freely admitting that it was the Rudd supporters who were backgrounding on a number of matters. He said that the Nova Peris matter would not have become an issue without the Rudd supporters stirring things up. Ditto the fuss over the resignations of Nicola Roxin & Chris Evans. Barry also commented that Crean's presser was full of contradictory statements.

Catching up

21/03/2013Not too impressed with the behavior of the Coalition at this time in lull in the lower house. One after another is getting up, pouring out bile and hate against the PM. Maybe, sometimes it is more prudent to sit on the sidelines and observe.

Catching up

21/03/2013Rudd still has not nominated.

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21/03/2013Folks I've been watching ABC 24 so haven't been at my computer - they are in different rooms. The ballot promises to be close - the problem is that nobody knows how reliable the votes are for Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. We just have to wait and see. I'll be back after the ballot.

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21/03/2013Folks Kevin Rudd is not standing.

Casablanca

21/03/2013Why, Why, Why did Crean offer himself up as a sacrificial lamb? Rudd not to run.

2353

21/03/2013Surly Politicians should know to line up their ducks before they go public. So the spill becomes the nothing to see here? But then again the ALP has been doing this for the past couple of years. FFS - shut up and give the appearance you know how to govern the country. It would also help if you could express a coherent plan and demonstrate why the LNP would be worse.

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21/03/2013Folks It looks like PMJG will continue as PM, unless some extraordinary twist occurs.

Catching up

21/03/2013As I said, one should wait for the eggs to hatch before counting the chickens. The PM has played the media for the fools they are. Not too happy with the results. Abbott will have to put away the champagne.

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21/03/2013Folks PM Julia Gillard remains PM; Wayne Swan Deputy.

Catching up

21/03/2013The media are now accusing the Labor Party of destroying the apology for force adoptions. Maybe that should be aimed at Abbott.

Casablanca

21/03/2013Habamus Julia PM

Tom of Melboune

21/03/2013Hooray! Gillard still PM. Absolutely no rational reason exists to support this rabble.

NormanK

21/03/2013Simon Crean has just smoked out all of the white-ants. Any journalist who takes one of these backgrounders seriously over the next six months should be battered with a dead fish. To use my preferred metaphor, Simon Crean has squeezed the pimple.

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

21/03/2013Thank you NormanK. Exactly so! But for the moment, Simon seems to have fallen on his ...well ... carving knife? Maybea diplomatic post later, after the election :-)

Jason

21/03/2013ToM, Your man proved to be just like you GUTLESS!

LadyInRed

21/03/2013Ad said [i]PM Julia Gillard remains PM; Wayne Swan Deputy[/i] i would like to add "media still irrelevant."

MWS

21/03/2013In today's West Australian there was NOT EVEN ONE article on the NDIS passing Parliament yesterday. Not one! If the media aren't going to bother to give us the news, why should we buy their papers?

Pikiranku

21/03/2013Catching Up Yes, it's sad that all this manouvering has overshadowed the forced adoption apology and Julia Gillard's absolutely brilliant speech. I'm not personally affected by this issue in any way and yet her speech was so powerful it moved me to tears. If any of you missed it, find it and listen all the way through. It's well worth the time, I promise you that you won't ever hear many better speeches than that. And you'll never hear the best of it on the MSM. I've always respected Simon Crean and admired the way he continued to serve the ALP and the nation even after he'd been rolled as party leader. I thought he was bigger thn he showed himself to be today. I think he had a brain fart and it's definitely time he moved on.

Curi-Oz

21/03/2013Just had a visiting small child throw up all over my couch - I think that is a suitable comment on the whole mess *sighs*

Catching up

21/03/2013Pikiranku, that apology is something that is very dear to me. Maybe you can catch up with what I have written elsewhere. I am surprised at the level of anger that Mr. Abbott's contribution made in me. I was so glad, when the jeering began. That is what I would have liked to see on the news this night.

jane

21/03/2013WRT Crean, I think he's taken one for the team. As Norman K said above, he's squeezed the pimple. The msm has again been outflanked by the PM. However, I wonder if Conroy's media bills weren't a feint to draw the msm and the Liars out into the open for a very clear shot. With one efficient blow she has shown the msm and the Liars to be a lazy, hypocritical, incompetent mob of seat warmers and their hysterical shrieking against Conroy's proposed media regulations to be as hollow and hypocritical as their master. Who must be foaming at the mouth at the ease with which she's out thought, out manoeuvred and made fools of all of them. She is positively Florentine in her ability to play the end game; lets the enemy think they're making headway, then tips red hot oil on their heads. In the years to come, she will be celebrated as one of the most able politicians and PMs this country has ever had. So now there's breathing space, leadershit put to bed, middle digit given to the msm and the government can get on with the job.

ausdavo

21/03/2013What an anti-climax! An opportunity missed. Two factions, but only one with all the spoils. Normally the ALP divides the spoils on the basis of the faction's relative support. Not here though. Today Kevin Rudd should have been "invited" to become the Deputy Leader of the Government. This would have jammed it right in the mouth of the Libs and the MSM. It would have been straight out of left field and strongly endorsed by a majority of voters (you know, they elect the next government!). Instead, all we get is hateful remarks by some on this site towards K Rudd whilst asking for unity behind PM Gillard. Unity (and victory) comes from showing a united front behind two great Labour members PM J Gillard and K Rudd. It's increasingly likely all the criticism will hand the "nutter" Abbott a huge undeserved victory. What a disaster.

nasking

21/03/2013 WOW! I MISSED ALL THE ACTION...WHY WERE PEOPLE JEERING AT TONY ABBOTT? I COME BACK FROM A PLEASANT DAY AT CURRUMBIN SANCTUARY WITH MY AMERICAN FAMILY VISITORS AND IT'S ALL DRAMA. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE MEDIA REFORM BILL? DO YOU THINK SIMON CREAN FELL ON HIS SWORD IN ORDER TO LET THE PRESSURE OUT OF THE COOKER? I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MEDIA REFORM BILL...HAS IT A CHANCE DOWN THE ROAD? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DIDN'T GET A BETTER BILL EARLIER THAT THE INDIES COULD AGREE TO? N'

nasking

21/03/2013 [b]It's increasingly likely all the criticism will hand the "nutter" Abbott a huge undeserved victory.[/b] ausdavo, NOT NECESSARILY...IF THIS GIVES JULIA GILLARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ON POLICY AND THE PUBLIC REALLY FOCUS ON ABBOTT AND THE COALITION POLICIES I RECKON THINGS COULD SHIFT... JULIA IS A STRONG LEADER...SHE KEEPS OUT NEGOTIATING THE OTHERS AND BEATING THEM...SO DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE FIRST FEMALE PM. ABBOTT DOESN'T DO HIMSELF ANY FAVOURS. N'

Jason

21/03/2013ausdavo If Rudd and his backers didn't spend the last 3 years white anting the government by back grounding the press perhaps I wouldn't be so critical of him, that said we have an election to contest against a man who Labor has underestimated for too long. Rudd hung his backers out to dry today tomorrow they have to get behind the leader!

nasking

21/03/2013 [b]Independent MP Rob Oakeshott put out a statement this morning asking for an extra five weeks to consider the bills and the amendments put forward by other crossbench MPs[/b] Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/stephen-conroy-labors-media-bills-withdrawn-from-parliament/story-fncynjr2-1226602242493#ixzz2O9o6QhyU IS THEIR A PROBLEM WITH THIS? I'M BEGINNING TO THINK THE ALP WERE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT DEALING WITH THE CONCENTRATION OF MEDIA. THAT IS HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING. N'

nasking

21/03/2013 THEIR SHOULD BE THERE.

NormanK

21/03/2013ausdavo I was a bit surprised to see this in your post: [quote]Instead, all we get is hateful remarks by some on this site towards K Rudd whilst asking for unity behind PM Gillard. Unity (and victory) comes from showing a united front behind two great Labour members PM J Gillard and K Rudd.[/quote] Now I see that it is a crosspost from PB. Please don't bring the endless loop of arguing over Gillard or Rudd being the better leader to TPS. That argument alone has practically ruined PB. I suspect you will find little (if any) sympathy for Rudd among regular commenters here but more to the point, we don't need that disease here.

angrybee101

21/03/2013Re the idea of Crean falling on his sword... i posted this over on The Pub earlier... Maybe Crean, having delivered the cultural policy a few days ago, and this was obviously something he is passionate about, told PMJG that he was thinking of retirement in Sept (Is it too late for preselections in Hotham?) – Anyway, he is 64 and has been in parliament since 1990, and maybe wanted to move to the back bench for the last few months like Roxon. And either offered to be the stalking horse/ or JG asked him to – taking every advantage out of the situation. this also gave him the opportunity to fire a few well aimed shots at the way the party has been operating and maybe have some ‘air clearing’ in caucus on issues other than the leadership. Thats my theory anyway...and I prefer to think he and PMJG plotted this to smoke out the disenters, than think of him as a traitor as I've always respected Crean - I guess if we wait a few years and we'll get the truth from Crean's memoirs!

nasking

21/03/2013 WHAT DISAPPOINTS ME IS WE PUT A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT INTO PAVING THE WAY FOR MEDIA REFORM...AND WHEN I SAY 'WE' I MEAN THE BLOGS/SOCIAL MEDIA (LOOK AT THE EFFORTS OF THE FIFTH ESTATE, CRIKEY, CAFE WHISPERS, SOME ON FACEBOOK ETC)...AND IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE BEEN SHAFTED AGAIN... THE REST OF YOU CAN IGNORE THIS...BUT IT LOOKS LIKE INCOMPETENCE TO ME. IT'S A REAL ISSUE FOR ME...SO MUCH SO I'M CONSIDERING VOTING GREEN...AND EXHAUSTING THE VOTE...AND LETTING THE CARDS FALL WHERE THEY WILL. AND BELIEVE ME...THIS LACK OF REFORM WILL BECOME AN ONGOING ISSUE. N'

nasking

21/03/2013 angrybee101, GOOD POINTS. N'

2353

21/03/2013Well waddya know - I picked it. In my post at 3:08 I suggested that Crean could be doing a great service to the ALP instead of a great disservice. I had no idea it would come to pass and wish I could be that good at picking Lotto numbers. The following things seemed strange: * There was no "ticket" * The PM caved so easily on the spill * Rudd took an age to announce anything * Crean's language. In reality today is a shame that the apology was overtaken by events. The "spill" does demonstrate two things within the ALP, that there is no other challenger to the PM apart from Rudd - and he won't nominate against a sitting PM. It also gives us the ability to comment on any MSM's site that they can cut the leadership speculation - it won't happen. Interesting reaction by Rudd - despite the "20 MPs" in his office lobbying him he does has considerably more morals and ethics than a lot of people gave him credit for. 7 News was just reporting a Reachtel Survey on the LNP in Queensland - apparently it's not good reading for Newman. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/poll-queenslanders-losing-faith-in-state-government-20130320-2gf6b.html

Curi-Oz

21/03/2013The question is, what was supposed to be gained by calling for a spill today (of all days), when it is obvious to those not stuck in Parliament House that the only winners would be NewsLtd, Fairfax and the LNP?

NormanK

21/03/2013Curi-Oz What has been gained is that all of those people who signed the petition calling for a spill have lost all credibility with the journos that they have been backgrounding. Curiously enough, a lot of those same journos (Uhlmann & Co) are openly admitting that they have been gamed - willingly or otherwise. There will be considerably less willingness on the part of some journos to take calls from those MPs now. It might not be 'checkmate' but it is certainly 'check'.

KHTAGH

21/03/2013 2353 & angrybee101 Very well predicted.

ausdavo

21/03/2013I'm interested to read your comments Norman K. I'm not sure you are accurately representing me, however. At no stage have I ever indulged "the endless loop of arguing over Gillard or Rudd being the better leader". I have always made myself quite clear in not criticizing one or the other person for their role as leaders. It's not what Labour people should be indulging in. I've never seen J Gillard or K Rudd say the things about each other that many posters here and on PB do to one or the other. Frankly the disloyalty inherent in such criticism disgusts me. Sadly, in my many years as an ALP member starting in 1959 I have seen such disloyalty on many occasions including in my early days to Artie Calwell, Clyde Holding and Gough Whitlam to name just three leaders (State and Federal). More to the point I have always suggested PM J Gillard the better choice for PM (but also advocated K Rudd for Deputy). My aim has always been the best result for the ALP to stop the mendacious Abbott! If expressing my opinion is a "disease" as you claim then why not just say that I'm not welcome here. If others agree they can add their voice (a site with no alternate discussion may be what you're after). On the other hand you might just have got out of bed on the wrong side this morning! As for expressing a similar statement on two sites, where many different posters exist, thank you for informing me that I've done something wrong (albeit unknowingly). Finally, we're not all endowed with great intellectual ability. Mine is obviously below the standard you require. You won't scare me off in the way the right-wing sites do to posters they disagree with, though. However, should Ad tell me to go away I will respect him as I respect his site and value it for the great work it does.

nasking

21/03/2013 [b]The question is, what was supposed to be gained by calling for a spill today (of all days), when it is obvious to those not stuck in Parliament House that the only winners would be NewsLtd, Fairfax and the LNP? [/b] WHAT PEOPLE ARE FAILING TO SEE HERE IS NEWS LTD HAS WON. NO MEDIA REFORM. N'

Sir Ian Crisp

21/03/2013[quote][b]Simon Crean has just smoked out all of the white-ants. Any journalist who takes one of these backgrounders seriously over the next six months should be battered with a dead fish. To use my preferred metaphor, Simon Crean has squeezed the pimple. NormanK [/b][/quote] Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Stick to the script. It's Abbott's fault. He fed Crean's lines to him. He urged Crean to call for a spill. He told Rudd not to nominate. It has Abbott fingerprints all over it. Stick to the TPS script.

Bloss

21/03/2013I think Crean may have done us all a favour. I am not a fan of his but, hey, he's forced the issue of leadership past the pundits and stirrers and given it a legitimate platform (to move beyond speculation). This could be a turning point. Quod Bonum Tenete ( Hold fast to that which is good).

NormanK

21/03/2013ausdavo I'm certainly not trying to scare you off or accusing you of being diseased. I just don't see any basis for: [quote]all we get is hateful remarks by some on this site[/quote]. Nor am I suggesting that cross-posting is a bad thing except when you paint this site with the same brush as PB. I certainly didn't cast aspersions on your intellectual ability. Can we call a truce? I just don't want the PB leadership nonsense infecting this great site.

ausdavo

21/03/2013NormanK No worries, thanks for the explanations.

Pikiranku

21/03/2013Sorry, but I think you're all fantasising. Julia wouldn't have so swiftly and unceremoniously sacked Crean if the two of them had been involved in the devious conspiracy you've constructed. Crean acted alone.

Pikiranku

21/03/2013Btw what's a bright young woman like Laura Smyth doing backing Rudd against Julia?

Tom of Melbourne

21/03/2013It was all baseless media speculation. Everyone is 120% behind Gillard, she’s just so popular and is bound to lead us to victory! The media reforms were competently handled too. Another great victory by Our Prime Minister!! We’ve always hated Crean, except when we didn’t. Same with Tanner and Rudd. And Bill Kelty. Next week Conroy will address the great progress on the NBN. It’s behind schedule, with lower take up rates. But other than that, it’s hugely successful.

nasking

21/03/2013 THNX TO THE TPS CONTRIBUTORS FOR RESPONDING TO MY CONCERNS...NOT. COMPLETE DISRESPECT CONSIDERING THE EFFORT I HAVE PUT IN. FCK LABOR!!! I FEEL CONNED. BTW CRAIG EMERSON...YER REPLY ON 7:30 TO THE MEDIA REFORM BILL QUESTIONS WERE NOT GOOD ENUFF. NOT AT ALL. FEEL WE GOT CONNED ON THE MINING TAX...NOW OVER MEDIA REFORM. BEGINNING TO FEEL THIS IS A CORPORATE SUCK-ARSE PARTY WHO ARE TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER VOTER'S EYES. JUST ONE BIG GAME. N'

nasking

21/03/2013 I HAVE JUST UNFRIENDED LABOR HUB, QLD LABOR, AND THE TWO ALP MEMBERS I WAS FRIENDS WITH... YOU DO NOT SCREW WITH SUPPORTERS AND VOTERS LIKE THAT. HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE ALP NOW. STUPID STUPID GAMES. N'

Catching up

21/03/2013Labor, do you really believe those media bills are gone.

Ad astra

21/03/2013Folks I've been watching the unfolding events all day on TV, and there's more to come tonight. I'll respond tomorrow to today's events.

jane

21/03/2013[quote].....he won't nominate against a sitting PM.[/quote] When he's certain he hasn't got the numbers, 2353. However, I agree that he did the right thing even if the cynic in me says it's because he knew he didn't have the numbers. It all seemed a bit contrived and unnatural, somehow. And for Crean of all people to call for a spill seemed odd. I'm inclined to agree with angry bee 101 wrt Crean's possible reason for his actions. He's never struck me as disloyal or spiteful and I wouldn't be surprised if he and the PM hadn't cooked this up to draw out the whiteanters and put paid to leadership speculation involving Rudd once and for all. Norman K, now they've sprung the whiteanters, they know who to call in for a good bollocking if any of this stuff happens again. And not only have the whiteanters lost credibility, so has the msm. Win, win!

TalkTurkey

21/03/2013 ausdavo reckons he's been a Member of the Labour party since 1959 "...two great Labour members PM J Gillard and K Rudd." "It's not what Labour people should be indulging in." Notice anything Folks? He's been a "Labour member" since 1959 and he can't spell Labor? By their mispelings shall we know Them!

Capstan

21/03/2013'Ullo, labour luvvies! What a day! I mean really - what a day! It doesn't get any better, does it? For the Conservative side of politics, I mean. Take this view from one commentator: [i]"It couldn’t have worked out better for Tony Abbott. Labor is still led by Julia Gillard, electoral poison. Kevin Rudd, Labor’s only hope, has been badly wounded. Both are still in the Labor party, guaranteeing further instability. And Labor loses one of its few adults in the Ministry. Bye Bye Simon Crean. Bye bye Labor."[/i] I mean - what a show! The best show in town! And it's FREE!! Man - gimmee the popcorn and the comfy chair - I'm here until the very end! Which might be sooner rather than later ... Couldn’t have suited Abbott more. Tom of Melbourne - mate, take a bow - you're priceless and I agree with everything you've ever said, despite the vitriol, scorn and spittle you patiently collect from all the lefty trogs that congregate here. 'Nasking - mate, I feel your pain! It's time to bugger the ALP (if that's actually possible after years of Gillard / Rudd) and re-form the Communist Party of Australia! Then you and all your comrades can meet in a phone box somewhere at irregular intervals and loudly sing "SOLIDARITY FOREVER!" to each other. Ad Astra me old wise guy mate - all I can say is BWAAA! HAAAAA! HAAAAAAAAA! HAAAAAAA! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!! The cliff, me old lefty maties - you're all waddling determinedly up the path to the cliff of utter destruction. But that piece of knowledge won't stop you all from hurling yourselves off, will it?

jane

21/03/2013Nas' I feel that now that the leadershit stuff has been dealt with, the media bills will be revisited. The constant hysteria fomented by the msm had to be dealt with and out to bed. Now that they have smoked out the backgrounders and whiteanters and know that Kevin Rudd won't be working in the background to destabilise the government, it will be full steam ahead. Don't be downhearted. The job had to be done and the sooner the better.

jane

21/03/2013Blush! should be put to bed.

ausdavo

21/03/2013You're a smart arse TalkTurkey. You know it all don't you? How dare you sit in judgement of others? I don't know you by mis-spellings (yes, you got that wrong) but because you're so superior that you think it allows you to insult someone else. I'd lick you every day for the work I've put in for the Alp since 1959 (and still do). Loyalty begins at home!

Capstan

21/03/2013Hey this is great! The uber, ill-educated and rotten-tooth'd member of this strange grouping of political dinosaurs - Turkey the Mannn! - involved in vigorous hand-bag-swinging with a tragic lefty I've not noticed before - "ausdavo" - who is either someone who's been working up in the Snowies since the 1950s or doesn't know how to properly italicise "ALP". The latter is more probable, as the inevitable educational outcome that all of you plonkers on this sorry site relentlessly promote is - terminal illiteracy. But far be it for me, a mere ant, to interfere when Mighty Elephants are a'tussling! Go for it, boys! May the most tragic, pathetic leftard win!! I don’t know who to put my money on. Turkey boy – quick! Give me a tip!

Capstan

21/03/2013Jane - you REALLY believe the media bills will be "re-visited"? Those bills, Janey me old matey, were the most offensive pieces of proposed legislation ever to be put before Parliament. Because they were Stalinist and Hitleresque in their effect. They would have killed free speech - which is one of the backbones of society. Not that you lot of closet Commies would care. Freedom means nothing to you pathetic wankers. Control, to you, is everything. Just like it was to Lenin. And Trotsky. And Hitler. And Mao. And Pol Pot ... etc etc. You are all as bad as any of them. You demand free speech for yourselves - and deny it to anyone with whom you disagree. I spit on you all. Now watch this comment be censored by Ad Astra, the "man" who cannot stomach criticism.

ausdavo

21/03/2013Hey Capstan you right wing crapper, Criticise all you like, but at least get it right. If one changes Alp to ALP it's capitalise not "italicise". But most of the things you write impress me by one clear point - gross ignorance! Just watch out if you get your love-boy Abbott in. He'll reward you in the way you least expect - a cut in your pension and benefits. The only people the Tories look after are the super-rich and there's little chance you're one of them. If you were you'd display a bit of class and education. They spit your kind out every day. Generally they send you off to fight their wars, that they're too gutless to fight themselves, and laugh about you behind your back.

Capstan

21/03/2013ausdavo - my main Alpine man! - you picked me up on an error! Well done, mate! That's more than any of the other lefty-loser-tragics have ever done! You have complete permission to collect a good red wine of your choice the next time we meet in, say, Hahndorf - a favourite place of mine, don't you think? So I've never noticed you before - my apologies, but you have apparently been that - well, not memorable. But you have my attention now, mate! The only sorry lefty plonker who can spell! Hit me with your socialist rhythm stick, me old cobra! I'm all agog! And a'waitin'!

nasking

21/03/2013 [b]Nas' I feel that now that the leadershit stuff has been dealt with, the media bills will be revisited.[/b] JANE, I'M SO DISAPPOINTED. I DOUBT THE BILL WILL BE REVISTED. NOT BEFORE THE ELECTION...AND THE ALP HAVE TAKEN SUCH A BIG RISK HERE...IF ABBOTT GETS IN THE WHOLE ISSUE OF MEDIA REFORM DISINTEGRATES. OKAY, I KNOW THE CAMPAIGN WAS SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL IN THAT IT HAS HELPED FOCUS THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION ON MEDIA OWNERSHIP AND BIAS LIKE NEVER BEFORE... AND CERTAINLY THE PASSING OF THE BILLS WOULD NOT HAVE ENDED THE BIASED REPORTING...THE ATTACKS WOULD BE MORE SUBTLE...BUT JUST AS PERSISTENT...AND THERE COMES A POINT WHERE BLAMING THE MEDIA BECOMES COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE ...IT'S STRONG LEADERSHIP WITH THE ABILITY TO FIND DIVERSE WAYS TO CONNECT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SELL ITS MESSAGE THAT COUNTS IN THE LONG RUN...AS WE'VE SEEN DISPLAYED BY THE OBAMA ADMIN. AND OF COURSE, IF PM GILLARD WINS THE NBN ROLLS ON...PROVIDING MORE COMPETITION FOR THE MAJOR MEDIA COMPANIES...AS THE CREATION OF ABC 24 AND THE DRUM ETC HAS DONE. BUT...I FELT IT BETTER TO PASS THE BILLS SO ABBOTT'S GOVT WOULD HAVE TO LIVE UP TO ITS PRONOUNCEMENT IT WOULD REPEAL SOME IF IT WON OFFICE. IT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE HIS INEFFECTIVENESS AND BS ARTIST HABITS IF HE WON AND DIDN'T...OR HIS SYCOPHANTIC ATTITUDE WHEN IT CAME TO MURDOCH EMPIRE ETC IF HE DID...AND IT'S POSSIBLE A HOSTILE SENATE WOULD PREVENT HIM DOING SO. I'M SURE THE ALP HAVE THOUGHT ALL THIS THRU IN A FAR MORE COMPLEX WAY THAN ME...BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THE WHOLE APPROACH WAS MESSY...AND LOOKED SUSS...AND HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE PERCEPTION THAT CONROY IS INCOMPETENT AND PM GILLARD IS BACKING HIM TO SECURE HIS VOTE...THE SLOW NBN ROLLOUT HAS NOT INSPIRED THE LIKES OF ME. THIS WHOLE THINGS DISTURBS ME SO MUCH I'M NOT EVEN CONVINCED NOW THE ALP ARE DETERMINED TO COMPLETE THE NBN. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS HAPPEN THAT HAVE LED ME TO DOUBT THE SINCERITY OF THE PARTY...AND THE SILENCE OF SOME OF THE CONNECTED SUPPORTERS ON HERE HAS ONLY SERVED TO ENHANCE MY DISTRUST. AND I'M POSITIVE MANY OTHERS FEEL THE SAME WAY...IN FACT, ONE STAUNCH LABORITE WHO ARRIVED FROM THE UK ABOUT TWENTY YEARS AGO TOLD ME IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS AT THIS YEAR'S CHRISTMAS PARTY THAT HE HAD LOST TRUST IN THE ALP...AND WOULD NOT BE VOTING FOR THEM...NOW THIS FELLA WAS A DYED IN THE WOOL UNION SUPPORTER...FAMILY ALL LABOURITES IN THE UK...AND HE'D APPARENTLY VOTED LABOR SINCE BEING HERE. ANYWAY...UNTIL THE GAMES STOP AND THE SUPPORTERS AND ELECTORATE ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN SUPPORTING THE PRESENT ALP. MISERY IS WITH ME TONITE. THNX FOR THE RESPONSE DEAR JANE...YER A GOOD CYBER-FRIEND. YOU KNOW ME, I CAN'T HELP AIR MY VIEWS PASSIONATELY. TELL IT AS I SEE IT. N'

Capstan

21/03/2013[b]N'NASKING - STILL GOING AROUND, SHRIEKING IN CAPITAL LETTERS![/b] MATE - I'LL DO YOU ONE BETTER - I CAN SHRIEK IN CAPITL LETTERS [b]AND IN BOLD!!!![/b] [b]SO HOW ABOUT YOU JOIN THE REST OF US HUMAN BEINGS AND WRITE WHATEVER CRAPPY COMMENTS YOU HAVE IN LOWER CASE!!![/b] [b] WAKE UP TO YOURSELF, PLONKER, AND BECOME A HUMAN BEING!!!!!!! [/b] [b] BECAUSE - IN THE END - YOU'LL REALISE THAT SHOUTING THROUGH AMEGAPHONE LIKE ANY OTHER DICKHEAD LEFTY LIKE TURKEY BOY DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE !!!!!!!!!!![/b] Comprende, amigo?

NormanK

21/03/2013nasking I've only got this second-hand at the moment but it seems the media reform bills are on the notice paper for the next sitting. I'll look for confirmation on that. Good news if true.

Capstan

21/03/2013'N'asking - "misery is with me tonite" (As opposed to "tonight") BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! HAAAAAAAAA!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!! Welcome to the rest of your life, lefty toss-pot. You get what you desrevr. YOU deserve this cascading caper of clowns - led by the huge-arsed Gillard the ("There will be no carbon tax") liar. She lies and lies and lies. How about her alleged abortion? The perfect outcome - if it's true - she, personally, destroys her own child. Thereby ensuring her line will never continue - if it's true. An absolute own goal, don't you think - if it's true?

DMW

22/03/2013Did I miss something today? Some sort of beat up or something? Huh? The same person is still Prime Minister? ... ohh and damn and bu@@er the same person is still Deputy PM ... [*mutters quietly*] [i]Dear Julia, get rid of that freaking albatross around your neck and you will soar with the eagles[/i] What was it I missed again?

Capstan

22/03/2013DMW - are you serious? Julia will "soar with eagles"? Mate - she is one, huge, fat-arsed turkey. She's never gonna fly - she's dead meat! The best she can do is waddle determinedly up to the Cliff of Doom, from which she will (quite predictably) hurl herself, crying out your very words "I can FLY!!!" as she hurtles down towards the gory, jagged rocks below upon which have already splattered the putrid remains of ALP NSW, ALP Qld, ALP NT, ALP WA etc etc. You blokes - having backed the WORST government EVER in Australian history - are gonna be out of power for at least two terms. Get used to it, road kill.

jane

22/03/2013Well good old Crapstain shows his true colours. You know perfectly well that Nasking has to post in upper case or bold because his sight is failing. What a nasty piece of work you are, just like Meredoch's tame wanker, Liealot. And just like your gutless hero Liealot, your target of choice is someone in poor health. Nasking is worth 100 empty vessels like you. Lies? You mean like Whyalla being wiped from the face of the earth? A lamb roast will cost $100? Lying about electricity bills? Lying to the Parliament about his slush fund? Lying to the AEC about his slush fund? Lying about Alcoa's business decisions? Crawl back under your rock. That sort of thing? Lying about his threatening and abusive behaviour?

paul walter

22/03/2013I just so wish people would read the piece on the IPA's austerity economics prepared for Abbott up at the Drum earlier this week. Maybe with the leadership diversion finally sorted, people will finally start to look behind the fluff at the real issue the press and media have been trying to conceal.

Casablanca

22/03/2013Anne Summers put it well: [i]While I was watching the ugly events of Thursday afternoon unfold, I was trying to remember the last time Australia had a perfect prime minister. Or even one who was universally popular. [/i] Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/judgment-of-history-will-be-kinder-to-pm-than-tv-news-cycle-20130321-2girw.html#ixzz2OBcX4I4x

Patriciawa

22/03/2013Well, Casablanca, she may not yet be universally popular, but judging by the way she spoke to those mothers and forcibly taken children yesterday I would say that Prime Minister Julia Gillard will become beloved of many. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-21/gillard-delivers-apology-to-victims-of-forced-adoption/4585972

janice

22/03/2013Good morning all. Well what a day was yesterday. Firstly, I was shocked into thinking Simon Crean was for real at first but, it soon occurred to me that he sacrificed himself to flush out the traitors. He was the lone warrior doing undercover sabotage of Labor's enemies and he fooled them into showing their faces. I came to this conclusion after taking the time to reflect on Crean's Labor record. Looking back, I also remembered it was Crean who forced Rudd's hand so that he resigned as FM in 2012 whilst he was in New York and actually challenged to be comprehensively beaten. Of course, I do not know if JG knew or even suspected what Simon was doing but I'm pretty sure her supporters did not. Simon should be given an oscar for his acting performance in convincing the Rudd camp that he was on their side. They believed him and the rest is history. I got a lot of satisfaction when I saw the shock and the realisation of being dudded on the faces of the Ruddistas and his media supporters. Long may PMJG rein.

Capstan

22/03/2013Jane says: [i]"Nasking has to post in upper case or bold because his sight is failing".[/i] First I've ever heard of that - I don't spend my entire life on this strange, twisted little site - unlike most of you. No, I just visit from time to time, in order to marvel at how determined some people can be in both their individual and collective delusions. Gillard's a liar - always has been, always will be. As a lawyer she was dishonest and incompetent - and the investigations into her lies concerning the AWU scandal continue. My assessment is that she will eventually face charges, at least for her lies about the affidavit she drafted and did not witness as is required. Lousy, lying lawyer - lousy, lying Prime Minister. And all of us on the conservative side of politics are laughing long, loud and heartily as the latest episode of ALP Comedy Capers shows what an absolute circus of clowns and buffoons your side of politics has degenerated into. I wonder what disaster the ALP will inflict upon itself today?

Michael

22/03/2013All the punditry talk this morning is that Labor have screwed it up, no chance to win the next election. But I watched the 6 o'clock Channel Nine News last night and three times Tony Abbott failed to answer a direct question, twice of those times pulled up by the newsreader because he hadn't answered a simple question (the third time the reporter visibly gave up). And all the time Abbott was holding his 'real solutions' pamphlet in front of his chest, inching it upwards into clearer view. No reference to it, it was just there. He looked like a vacuum-cleaner salesman with a shiny brochure and an inability to explain just how his product sucked. What I saw on a very popular news program was a man given a free pass to present himself as a real alternative leader of this nation apparently believing that prattling out tired old lines, smirking when pulled up on doing so, and sliding his "but wait, there's more" very very skinny but oh so shiny political (there are no real policies in it) pamphlet into view, was the order of the day. He looked exactly like he is - out of his depth, as bumpkin a fool as Barnaby, and so incapable of seizing the day it'll be a month before he realises the chance that he just missed. Bet you Malcolm didn't miss what happened with and to Tony Abbott on last night's Channel Nine News.

Michael

22/03/2013Dear Capstan, re: "And all of us on the conservative side of politics are laughing long, loud and heartily as the latest episode of ALP Comedy Capers shows what an absolute circus of clowns and buffoons your side of politics has degenerated into." Please see my previous post.

lyn

22/03/2013Today’s Links Shanahan & Bolt doctor a quote to accuse Conroy of doctoring a quote: Welcome to Murdoch news: by @margokingston1 http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/ Murdoch’s marks all over Labor leadership spill by @davrosz talon-marks of Australia’s dark overlord, Rupert Murdoch, are etched all over this announcement http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/murdochs-marks-all-over-labor-lea Who the hell is Kim Williams? by@ngungun @independentaus “just the man Murdoch needs to make money out of papers on the internet”. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/media-2/who-the-hell-is-kim-williams/ It’s Not All Kevin’s Fault (But It Mostly Is) by @MikeSeccombe lastly, if the day’s events achieved nothing else, it at least showed once again [b]Julia Gillard is one of the toughest, smartest, politicians you’ll ever see[/b]. http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/its-not-all-kevins-fault-but-it-mostly-is/ A Spill By Any Other Name by @MikeSeccombe And the person who is current leader – Julia Gillard – so far is simply pretending nothing is happening. http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/a-spill-by-any-other-name/ Labor spill liveblog: Gillard announces 4.30pm ballot by Crikey 2.25pm: Tony Abbott, in question time, tells Gillard: “I say to the current Prime Minister, for your party’s good you should go. For your country’s good, you should go.” http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/03/21/labor-spill-crean-brings-on-leadership-challenge/ ALP in crisis Gary Sauer-Thompson media beat up to reinforce the media's narrative & to help the Coalition crack the Gillard Government http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2013/03/alp-in-crisis.php#more A set of testicles, anyone? by Inga Leonora unstable behaviour in the Parliament today came not from our female PM, but the ol’ boys http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/a-set-of-testicles-anyone/ Senator Doug Cameron speaks about abuses of power by tabloid journalists by @turnleft2013 http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/senator-doug-cameron-speaks-about-abuses-of-power-by- An attack on our liberty and independence by Jonathan Mimo Australia is ranked as having one of the highest media concentrations among western nations http://www.altmedia.net.au/an-attack-on-our-liberty-and-independence/72193 Why new media reforms are bad news for Australian content by Ben Goldsmith these proposals are good news for the free-to-airs, they are bad news for producers of Australian content, and for audiences. http://theconversation.edu.au/why-new-media-reforms-are-bad-news-for-austral The best way to appreciate press freedom is to lose it by @mumbrella A government-appointed overseer of the regulator takes us backwards on that spectrum http://mumbrella.com.au/the-best-way-to-appreciate-press-freedom-is-to-lose-it-146700 Climate Change Lies- Tony Abbot by petermaus Pick which untruth you want today, or, A Case of Early Alzheimers? http://petermaus.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/climate-change-lies-tony-abbot/ When Richard met Eddie by no_filter_Yamba Richard and Eddie Obeid came into contact early in his political career and the Torbay-Obeid http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/when-richard-met-eddie.html Abbott heckled during adoption apology speech by ABC http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-21/abbott-heckled-during-adoption-apology-speech/4586450 Myths of the moocher class in Australia by @MattCowgill To use these figures in this way is disingenuous and potentially misleading, http://mattcowgill.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/playing-games-with-tax-statistics/ Today’s Front Pages Australia Newspaper Front Pages for 22 March 2013 http://www.frontpagestoday.co.uk/index.cfm?PaperCountry=Australia

Ad astra

22/03/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

2353

22/03/2013So where in the shambolic reporting of yesterday afternoons events is the acknowledgement from the news media that they aided and abetted the spill that never was? The media in this country need to understand that they report the news - they do no make it or participate in it. Their job is report the events and where necessary both sides of the issue with enough evidence to ensure that their consumers have enough evidence to come to a conclusion. All we'll see for the next week is more op-ed pieces from the usual suspects on why their crappy reporting was so wonderful. If the PM does re0introduce the media regulation, can we also have one based on the Canadian truth in media system that is so "draconian" News Corp will not transmit their Fox cable channel there. It's a pity that the events of yesterday to an extent the apology to adopted people. While it got a bit of a run, it would have been nice to see Abbott heckled on the 6pm news. It also to an extend smothered coverage of a ReachTel poll in Queensland that shows the LNP support level has reduced 9% in 9 months (and the effects of Newman's ideological crusade has yet to fully hit).

2353

22/03/2013THat should read "It's apity the events of yesterday [i]overtook[/i] the apology. . . "

Tom of Melbourne

22/03/2013Yes, Let's blame the media for all that. There was nothing happening inside the ALP that was worth reporting.

Catching up

22/03/2013Chris Bowen is on ABC 24. Has resigned his ministry.

42 long

22/03/2013The media always fan the flames or start the fire of a leadership challenge. It;s their favourite way to create the image of confusion. Also their aim is to sell papers and this sort of stuff invites the readers to buy the next episode. When they don't have much evidence they create it. The opposition promote it constantly to destabilise the gov't.

lyn

22/03/2013Good Morning Ad and Everybody, Chris Bowen just confirmed he has been a source. He said to a Journalist [quote]"don’t bother ringing me later for an off the record chat" [/quote] Casablanca thankyou so much for your wonderful reporting on the chain of events. :):) The Liberal Trolls are in overdrive and are being very nasty indeed.

Catching up

22/03/2013Tom, they could report some of the positive things the PM has done as well. Media do not seem interested.

Mangrove Jack

22/03/2013I read a book yesterday. Did I miss something ? I'm delighted you got through the Mitchell article Ad astra. I'm not so sure however there was much dissent from the commenters. They seemed mostly united against one "Aidan" who has his own ideas and one "Roger" who thought he could improve on the International System of National Accounts. It is true that economics, in so much as it's called a "science", has spawned so many conflicting schools of thought, but the sectoral balance is an "identity", in the same way that the internal angles of a triangle sum to 180 degrees, and thus not really in contention. The GFC however has presented us with a wonderful opportunity to test the competing theories in real time. In the UK the pursuit of surpluses is quite counter-productive and driving the economy over a cliff whereas Australia is still deriving some benefit from the decisive stimulus actions of the Labor government. Like you, I'm not an economist, but I find the way that economics innervates history quite fascinating. Perversely however, I'm also interested in the deep flaws in neo-liberal economics, the prevailing paradigm. If you read more Mitchell, or his colleagues of the heterodox school, you will learn some interesting things. You will learn for example that the much-lauded surpluses of the Costello budgets played no part in creating the fiscal space for the Labor govt's stimulatory deficits, but it's a myth the citizenry swallowed. Max Planck once told Keynes he considered studying economics but found it too hard. That I find it very straightforward is thus more worrying than reassuring.

TalkTurkey

22/03/2013I apologise ausdavo I got you wrong. I do believe you. But to spell Labor Labour twice looked suss to me, and I was echoing in my mind another person's comment about your post, oh well I got it wrong again, sorry. It's not a matter of superior education though, unless we're talking the diff between Primary Y2 & Yr 4 though, I don't pick people up - usually, unless there's a particular point - on spelling, and your twice-use of (UK) Labour is usually a dead-set litmus test of people's sympathies. I ask you not to do it again.

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22/03/2013Good Morning Folks For most of yesterday, from the apology about Forced Adoption in the morning to [i]Lateline[/i], I was glued to the TV, and therefore commented little on [i]TPS[/i]. So I’ll try this morning to interpret what went on. Many of you have commented here – some in a measured way, some with expressions of dismay, even disgust, and the usual suspects have returned with gauche triumphalism. I’ve left them for you to read to display the range of emotions and nastiness that political events can evoke. So what did happen? First, the apology, which subsequent media coverage sadly neglected, was one of the most moving and emotional political events I have ever witnessed. The few journalists who found time to comment gave our PM credit, but most found the ‘spill’ drama far more newsworthy, a reflection of the indifferent standards that now afflict the Fourth Estate. I was immensely proud of Julia Gillard for not just what she said, but how she said it, with feeling and sensitivity. She evoked in me the same feelings of pride in our nation’s leader as I felt when Kevin Rudd delivered his apology on our behalf to indigenous people. My admiration was heightened in retrospect when it became apparent to us all that she carried out her role as our national leader against the background that unfolded during the day, of which she was aware at the time. That she could hold her composure in circumstances that would overwhelm most of us, and faze even seasoned public figures, deserves admiration and deep respect. She is unlikely to get this from media circles. We who respect her, should express our feelings, as I see several of you have. She deserves enormous respect too for her courage, her gutsiness, her strength, her resilience and her resolve in the face of prolonged internal sabotage and the crisis she faced yesterday. I noted that on [i]The Drum[/i] last night even the Coalition supporter acknowledged this. So what did happen? First Simon Crean, who precipitated the spill. He has maintained for a long while that Rudd supporters have been undermining PM Julia Gillard, through back-grounding journalists, by leaking to them damaging views of her performance, yet remaining anonymous. They have long been suspected as the ones who leaked to Laurie Oakes at the time of the 2010 election information about what happened on the night of Rudd’s removal that popped up as a question from him during her NPC address, which seriously set back her election campaign and led to a hung parliament. Julia Gillard has no doubt that this was a severe impediment to her campaign. During the 2012 leadership challenge Crean was highly critical of Rudd, insinuating that he was directing the destabilization by sending his ‘drones’ out to do their damage, that he was not a team player, and was ‘media tart’, who always had journalists waiting for him wherever he went. And when Crean came out yesterday in his second press conference (after seemingly being supportive of Julia Gillard in his first) and said that he had asked her to call a spill and that Kevin Rudd must stand, at first it seemed like a strategy to force Rudd out into the open to settle the matter. But then he went onto say he said he would vote for Rudd, and would offer himself as Deputy PM, presumably to keep Rudd under control. This remains a mystery to me. He has recently made comments critical of the process of government, which by implication were criticisms of Julia Gillard, so I presume these concerns weighed more heavily on his mind than Rudd’s past performance and misdemeanors and persuaded him Rudd was a better bet for leader. Several have given credit to Crean for precipitating the spill and clearing the air. That seems appropriate, but his change of heart from extremely florid criticism of Rudd last year to support for him a year later is a conundrum that some of you may be able to resolve for me. Now Kevin Rudd. His decision to not nominate for PM at the caucus meeting has been lauded by his and Labor supporters as the action of an honourable man, who has stuck to his principles. Others have pointed out that although he is said to have not been orchestrating the process of getting the numbers by ‘working the phones’, he was well aware of the closeness of the numbers, a fact confirmed by Chris Bowen this morning. He has said that he would be drafted to run only if the position was vacant, and there was ‘overwhelming support’ for him, which I believe is code for certainty that he would win. He was unprepared to run the risk of a loss, and perhaps was conscious too of the damage that a close vote either way might inflict on the party. So let’s give him credit for his decision, but let’s not be naïve enough to believe that the numbers had nothing to do with it. How his supporters will view his actions may never be known. Chris Bowen said this morning that he did ‘the honourable thing’. Will others feel that he allowed them to be taken to the brink with him only to pull back, leaving some of them to fall over, or jump over, or to be pushed over, as has happened with Simon Crean, whips Joel Fitzgibbon, Ed Husic and Janelle Saffin, Richard Marles, and this morning Chris Bowen. More are likely to resign or be demoted. Rudd’s decision has left damage among his supporters in its wake – how much resentment that will evoke is anyone’s guess. What do you think? What will the public think about Rudd? Will they see his actions as those of an honourable man who kept his word, or a wimp who was not prepared to back up his destabilizing behaviour with courageous action – trying to wrest leadership from the PM in a secret ballot? Will Rudd’s supporters now abandon all attempts to have him restored? Tony Abbott insists, as do Coalition sycophants in the media, that leadership tensions will continue, and some commentators are already predicting another challenge after the Budget. This sounds like wishful thinking. Every Labor spokesperson vehemently insists leadership issues are over, and that all will unite behind Julia Gillard. Maybe that is wishful thinking too, but anything other than total support would encourage the media to continue the leadership speculation, upon which it feeds every day. Indeed it probably will, even if there are no grounds for it. The media will just make it up. What will all this do to, and for, Julia Gillard? In my opinion this will strengthen her position, enhance her authority, reinforce the image of a strong, resolute, gutsy woman who can cope with all the existential threats, the media bombs, the Coalition barbs, and the internal tensions that exist in any political party. Personally, I’m proud of her. My confidence in her ability and strength has risen further, as has my confidence that she will win the September 14 election. How will the public react. In my view those who support her will more strongly so. Those who hate her will continue to hate. Those who are undecided (16%), and those who could change their mind (31%), will reappraise her after this week, and in my opinion many will elevate her a notch or two in their estimation. Time will tell, but let’s not be naive enough to look to the polls for an indication. Toss a coin to ascertain if they will get better or worse for her and Labor in the next month or two. In the long haul, I believe this episode will enhance Labor’s stakes on September 14. What do you think? That’s my summation to date. I would welcome your comments, additions and responses to my questions.

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22/03/2013Hi Lyn What a day we’ve had. I’ve not yet started on your links; I’ve been listening to radio and TV and writing my comment above. I’ll look after lunch. 2353 The media was central to yesterday’s events, reporting discontent, fostering dissent, and using polls to support their case. My next piece is on polls and their pernicious effect on politics. Mangrove Jack It is good to have someone who understands economics on board in [i]TPS[/i]. You will be able to straighten us out if we stray too far from established wisdom.

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22/03/2013CHEERS FOLKS! The word is CATHARSIS ! I feel so good! If you haven't grabbed some of the odds on Labor yet, I advise you - yes ADVISE you! to do it NOW! I don't know the odds on offer right now but last week you could've got FOURTEENS on a *J*U*L*I*A*-led Govt victory - But WE know that her stocks have SHOT UP since yesterday! Note: that's the double, J as PM & a Govt win. This is a fact I wouldn't have known if it weren't for *SIR* Limpy Crisp pointing out to me the odds back in August on a Govt win (any leader) being at 7's, and I put a bundle on us then. Thank you Limpy! MEANWHILE - The Abborttian hubris is through the roof now, you might get better odds still!!! Than FOURTEENS I mean! But Michael you have it right, NOW we can get this boat floating high because we've stopped the leaks! It didn't happen the way TT would've predicted but I did say that this week would be the final desperate writhings of the RuddPuddlers ... [i]and as their Puddle Dried Up they would go Flip ~ Flop ~ FLUP![/i] (by today, precisely). I underestimated the [i][b]FLUP[/b]! [/i]though! :) I Spy With My Little [i]Eye of Time[/i] - ! A massive lift in Labor traction in the weeks to come. We are unstoppable now. Janice Yes My thought exactly on Simon Crean, I've been Tweeting about him this morning calling for his reinstatement to the front bench - He'd be a great Whip! The difference between him and an out-&-out rat like Fitzgibbon is that he didn't do any white-anting, and whether it was a stuffup, or instead as we suspect (and hope!) another of *J*U*L*I*A*s Cunning Plans* to smoke out the whiteants, with Crean in the Oscar-winning role of Hero-Martyr, he is a staunch and loyal Labor man and he did it for sincere belief that it was for the good of the party. Well, it was! I think it would be a wonderful healing move to include him rather than send him to Coventry. I feel REALLY confident again now! Yesterday at this time - I [i]quailed[/i]. Now I'm crowing! Shut up Turkey!

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22/03/2013maybe it cleared the air but I believe the damage was great. It gave abbott some free kicks. He has ammunition to push for an earlier election and thereby avoid examination of him and his (lack of) policies. He has given notice of going for a vote of no confidence at the time of the budget which will be done to avoid him making a required worthwhile contribution to the economic debate. (Something he is incapable of) He has never given a proper response to the govt's budget Watch for the agitation for an early election. He won't do it the normal way when he can whip up a frenzy, where he will have a lot of help from his usual backers.MSM IPA abc shock jocks. This will be the scary part. Abbott has no respect for process. will not reply with facts where a slogan or one liner will do. Not good enough. Are they afraid of scrutiny You BETCHA. Also, THEY want to kick labor out for ever. The election is not far enough away to make much difference to anything The aim is Obliterate. Watch the pressure the LieNP will try to exert in the electorates of the Independents. It will get dirty. I happened to listen on radio to the LieNP after QT and most of labor was absent ...they were unbelieveable in their hysterics. They are MAD...

jane

22/03/2013TT @11.52am, wrt Crean, I agree whole heartedly. Crean is not a man given to conspiracy, disloyalty or sudden decisions without consultation. Yesterday was so completely out of character for this cautious and very loyal man. He is not malicious or a plotter, imo. Anyway, the decks are cleared and I hope Julia and the rest of the cabinet is going full steam ahead with new media legislation. I hope it bites hard and gives the msm a real reason to squeal! Of course, all this hooha has made it easy for the msm NOT to report the passing of NDIS.

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22/03/2013 [b]I've only got this second-hand at the moment but it seems the media reform bills are on the notice paper for the next sitting. I'll look for confirmation on that. Good news if true.[/b] NORMAN, THNX FOR THE INFO. ONE THING I DETEST IS CAPITULATION IN THE FACE OF CORPORATE BULLYING. JANE, THNX FOR YER SUPPORTIVE WORDS. YOU GET THE ODD IGNORAMUS. I PROBABLY OVER-REACTED...SOME COMMENTS RATHER RASH...BUT LET'S FACE IT, POLITICS CAN BE AN EMOTIONAL GAME IF YOU INVEST ENUFF IN IT...AND WE ALL HAVE OUR VARIED WAYS OF EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION... AD BEING FAR MORE CALMER AND REFLECTIVE THAN ME ON OCCASION. I AM SPENDING THE NEXT COUPLA DAYS WITH FAMILY AT A RESORT AND SO SHALL ENDEAVOUR TO READ THRU AD AND OTHER RESPECTED CONTRIBUTORS COMMENTS AND REFLECT DEEPLY ON RECENT EVENTS. I SHALL RETURN. CHEERS N'

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22/03/2013AA @1127 Like You I was glued to the TV I was pi** off when Penny Wong was chopped off in her no confidence reply and could not get it back. The events of the day unfolded and I thought Simon had taken one for the team, but it was not so. He must have fallen under the media hype and Rudd spell and whilst shafted later in the "I am not nominating" utterance by Kevin jumped into the life raft alone and left drifting. Others have since jumped ship, Bowen the most notable they can now sit behind Rudd and look daggers at him. Julia (Wonder Woman) can clean out the pantry(cabinet/ministry) something she failed to do at the last spill and march forward to poll axe Abbort in September.

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22/03/2013I don't think Crean leaked to the media but plenty did. Fitzgibbon just can't shut up. The damage this does to a party with the Murdoch press available and willing is incalculable. They were ASKED to stop leaking, but NO on they went. Kevin's little constant "look at me" stunts. Childish ego strutting BS. Treachery more likely. At least Crean's judgement must be seriously questioned if his motives aren't. Tactically Gillard is miles above the others. She gave a magnificent rendition that was no doubt sincere. She was under great pressure and never flinches. She sat and had the viperous insults from abbott and Bishop ( who incidently "trashed " her good friendship with K Rudd) hurled at her and just got up and delivered as good as she took. I couldn't have done it and I don't know how many others could either. Albanese's tough too. He has to stay. They do have plenty of talent I believe so can re arrange their front bench. Politics is tough. It's about the achievable not the perfect. Rudd should realise that the AIM is to not allow Abbott the ability to undo all the good work and wreck this country for all but his (small number of well-off ) MATES. I DIDN'T vote for RUPERT...

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22/03/2013Hi Ad Thankyou for your most enjoyable post @ 11.21am. I was feeling very depressed about the whole episode, you have made me feel so much better. In my earlier post I mentioned Chris Bowen's comment to a Journalist about off the record reports to them, I was horrified at first at his confirmation to being a source, but now feel all this could be good as is flushing out the sources. I am little Tweety Echo in supporting every single word you said Ad, also Mike Seccombe's in the excerpt of his article. [quote]Personally, I’m proud of her. My confidence in her ability and strength has risen further, as has my confidence that she will win the September 14 election[/quote]. Mike Seccombe: [quote]if the day’s events achieved nothing else, it at least showed once again Julia Gillard is one of the toughest, smartest, politicians you’ll ever see.[/quote] http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/its-not-all-kevins-fault-but-it-mostly-is/ Peter Hartcher babb