The Gillard - Rudd comparative scorecard

Among the countless words that have been written and uttered since the contest between Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd for leadership became overt, where have you read a comprehensive comparison of the two? All we have had is brief written accounts, short interviews, multiple sound bites of how the leaders have performed in the role of Prime Minister, and over the last few days several revealing articles, mainly about Kevin Rudd.

Kevin Rudd’s announcement of his resignation has opened floodgates of recrimination against him, much of it from his colleagues, who have suppressed what they have felt for a long while out of loyalty to a sitting cabinet minister in a very senior role. Many have doubted the wisdom of colleagues bagging each other so publically. No doubt that will bring its own reward and penalty, but it was done to counter what many politicians and journalists now openly assert has been a longstanding and continuing campaign of destabilization of the Gillard Government by a member of the Inner Cabinet, Kevin Rudd.

In such a contest, exaggeration is unavoidable as each side presses their points. Cherry-picking points to bolster arguments is the norm. We hear the bad things but not the good from each side.

I hope what follows is a balanced appraisal of the two who would want to be Prime Minister. I have identified a number of attributes that it my opinion a Prime Minister of this country ought to be judged against. You may not agree with them all, and may feel others ought to be added. Use the ‘comments’ facility to express your view. I have ordered them in what I believe is roughly their importance. Under each attribute, I give my assessment of how each of the two candidates has fared. Again, express your agreement or otherwise.

Courage
I have placed this attribute first because I believe that without courage no one can survive the travails of prime ministership for long. It is not just having the courage on one’s convictions, but also the courage to implement them against opposition and in the face of adversity.

Julia Gillard
Of all her attributes, courage stands out. She has faced opposition to virtually every reform and every piece of legislation, from Tony Abbott and the Coalition, and in many instances from a hostile media more intent on finding fault than reporting the details of the legislation. Despite having to negotiate every move through a minority parliament, she has succeeded in passing 269 pieces of legislation, some of them major reforms in climate change, minerals tax, health, health insurance, disability, education and so on the list goes. She has had the courage of her convictions and the courage to convert them into legislation, without one failure.

Her courage in facing off the hostility of the media, which in many instances has been more vicious than that coming from the pugilistic Tony Abbott, has become legendary. Her refusal to be intimidated by rude journalists is welcome and lauded by her supporters.

She warrants high commendation for courage under fire and in the face of persistent hostility.

Kevin Rudd
When he became Opposition Leader we were impressed with his convictions, especially about climate change: “the greatest moral, economic, social and environmental challenge of our time”. He began work on this well before becoming PM and then implemented action designed to bring about an Emissions Trading Scheme, about which he successfully negotiated a compromise with the then Opposition Leader, Malcolm Turnbull, only to have his legislation frustrated by the overturn of Turnbull and the installation of Tony Abbott, one vehemently opposed to the ETS, elected on a platform of destroying it.

Rudd had plenty of courage then, but this evaporated in the face of resistance from focus groups and opinion polls, so much so that in the wake of the disappointment of Copenhagen, he decided to put an ETS on the back burner, convinced as he was, that it was an electoral liability. There are many still convinced that had he gone to a double dissolution, he would have won the endorsement of the electorate. But his courage failed him, albeit prompted by some around him. That failure is regarded by many commentators as marking the beginning of Rudd’s decline. The electorate seemed disappointed that he set aside, seemingly so easily, this matter of high principal.

Rudd’s courage was on display when he delivered his Apology to Indigenous People. Only those with the hardest of hearts were not moved with Rudd’s sincerity and eloquence.

He exhibited courage and conviction when handling the global financial crisis, which he and his inner team handled with consummate skill and effectiveness, the result of which is there for all to see in the robust state of our economy. He deserves high commendation.

He had the courage to initiate health reforms, but not sufficient to see them through, leaving an incomplete change over which Premiers were left wrangling. Julia Gillard has taken the reforms to their next stage.

He had the ‘courage’ (albeit ‘crazy brave’) to introduce a Resource Super Profits Tax, but he did so with such meagre consultation that it was largely rejected by the resources sector, forcing a major reshaping of the tax. His courage failed him as he tried to push this reform through. He seemed to misjudge the electorate, whom he thought would embrace the idea of levying taxes on wealthy miners and passing it onto the people, and left the reform incomplete and in disarray. It was Julia Gillard who had the courage to renegotiate it and get it through parliament as the Minerals Resource Rent Tax against Coalition resistance and a hostile industry campaign.

In summary, while Julia Gillard has shown, and still does show outstanding courage in going about her work, Kevin Rudd’s early exhibition of courage left us with high hopes, but disappointment when he seemed to lose his nerve.

Character
This attribute is related to the first. If we define ‘character’ as ‘a disposition to express behavior in consistent patterns across a range of situations’, it can be taken to include honesty, integrity, loyalty, and good behaviors or habits.

Julia Gillard
It may be an oxymoron to talk about an ‘honest politician’, so let’s settle for shades of honesty and integrity. In my opinion, Julia Gillard strives to be honest. She is often accused by the media of dishonesty, of being shifty, of looking guilty, especially during media appearances when confronted unexpectedly with leaked information that embarrasses. The recent Four Corners program is an example. In these situations, it falls to the observer’s judgement; those who wish to read dishonesty do so with conviction; others are prepared to see things in a more charitable light.

Her enemies in Opposition and in the media have applied the tag ‘liar’ to her. Who in this country has not heard Alan Jones’ ‘Ju-liar’? Once applied, such a label sticks, and is reinforced every time it is repeated, which is nauseatingly often. For those who mindlessly accept this label as true, almost every utterance she makes is heard through that filter, and confirms it.

She is accused by Kevin Rudd of lying to him in that fateful conversation the night before his removal, by reneging on what he saw as a promise to give him until October to recover his stature. As only three were at that conversation, we may never know what the truth really was. Those who see her as a liar will believe Rudd; others will believe her. We can but leave it at that.

Similarly, loyalty seems oxymoronic when applied to politicians, but we do see it in varying degrees. It appears that it was loyalty to a sitting senior Cabinet minister doing important international work that inhibited Rudd’s colleagues from exposing his bizarre work patterns and his non-consultative and at times dismissive behaviour towards his colleagues. So we were left with generic phrases such as ‘the Government has lost its way’ or ‘was paralysed’ to ‘explain’ why Rudd was ousted. Only now do we hear the extraordinary way in which he worked, frenetically rushing from one task to another, seldom completing any of them, always late, disrespectful of others’ time and opinions, and demanding of staff while discarding or ignoring their efforts. It was only the loyalty of colleagues that shielded Rudd from exposure; only now when he has resigned as Foreign Minister and he is clearly out to regain the prime ministership, have we been told the facts.

Kevin Rudd
In contrast, if one can believe the stories emanating from close Cabinet colleagues and from journalists, Kevin Rudd has been consistently disloyal to his party since he was deposed. While his supporters will justify his actions as reasonable after Julia Gillard’s ‘betrayal’ of him, how can they justify the treachery against his own beloved Labor party that emerging stories portray? There seems little doubt now that the leak to Laurie Oakes that derailed Julia Gillard’s 2010 election campaign came from Rudd or one of his associates. The leak was designed to seriously damage the PM, but Rudd must have known it would damage Labor’s re-election chances, as indeed it did, to the point of Labor not having a majority. Did he want Labor to lose so as to demonstrate that they couldn’t win without him, an assertion he is now putting about as his rationale for trying to wrest leadership from the PM?

There are many other instances of Rudd’s white-anting of the PM. He has backgrounded many journalists and editors that he would make a bid for leadership and a second one if he failed, something that has not been denied by them. Journalists exaggerate, but they don’t fabricate such stories. He is reported to have sabotaged legislation the Government is proposing. One example is his alleged negotiation with representatives of the pokie industry to water down the Government’s proposed legislation. When a senior minister from inner Cabinet is actively eroding his own party’s legislative program for his own ends, it is gross disloyalty and betrayal. He does not deny that he has been in touch with journalists but says that he will not reveal what dealings he had with them. This weekend he refused to authorize them to reveal the existence of such meetings if they had occurred, tantamount to admitting they did. His supporters will deny the validity of these accusations, but there seems little evidence to dispute their authenticity.

Such disloyalty and treachery is reprehensible in the extreme - such actions in wartime would be considered treason.

On the loyalty front, Kevin Rudd scores very poorly. In my opinion, Julia Gillard does much, much better.

Trustworthiness
This attribute is important in this leadership contest, as Kevin Rudd has nominated the issue of ‘trust’ as the key element in his announcement that he will contest the leadership. He said: "Rightly or wrongly, Julia has lost the trust of the Australian people. Starting on Monday I want to start restoring that trust.” It is a reprise of Howard’s tactic that worked so well for him in 2004; no doubt Rudd hopes it will for him too.

The caucus will need to assess the validity of his assertion and the plausibility that he could restore trust. He has pleaded to the people of Australia to press their local members to support him on this basis.

Vision
While initially Kevin Rudd was seen as a visionary, a fresh new face with an abundance of ideas, it gradually dawned on even his greatest admirers that the vision, though high sounding, was not being translated consistently into outcomes. In his later years, he found a way of deferring action, sometimes seemingly paralyzed by indecision. We noted how in his last year as PM his confidence waned when confronted by tough interviewers like Kerry O’Brien. He seemed intimidated. The lucid speaker morphed into a hesitant one with cliché-ridden talk. Was that because he had so little to show to back up his rhetoric?

In contrast, Julia Gillard has been pilloried by the media for having no vision. ‘What does she stand for’ became the catch cry. Yet over and again she has spoken of her vision – a fair and prosperous country with opportunity for all, a great education and skills training to equip everyone for a rewarding job, a robust economy, support for small business, fair workplaces, a reformed health system, action on climate change – need I go on – you have heard it over and again.

Julia has a vast and thrilling vision for Australia and all its people; if only the media would facilitate its promulgation instead of tearing it down, everyone would know about it.

Competence and management style
Competence is expected from anyone in high office. Competence is related to management style and pattern of work. It is here that one of the crucial differences between Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd is obvious.

Julia Gillard
She has a reputation for hard work, persistence, a methodical work pattern characterized by purpose, stability, consistency, discipline, and tenacity until the job is done. Her record for getting things done and getting legislation through a minority government is legendary. Her performance speaks for itself. Her negotiating skills have enabled her to get through legislation in parliament that has previously been impossible – means testing of the health insurance rebate is a recent example.

Two hundred and sixty nine bills passed, many encompassing historic policy reforms, is a laudable achievement.

Kevin Rudd
His accomplishments in handling the GFC and in initiating work on climate change have been acknowledged. His Apology will remain one of his supreme achievements. His expertise in international relations is accepted; he has been a fine Foreign Minister. What a pity he has resigned from this post; we can ill afford to lose such talent.

But these accomplishments have been overshadowed by his way of working and dealing with others. He is supremely intelligent, but every description of Rudd’s work pattern reveals chaotic, dysfunctional, unstable, unpredictable behaviour. He is a control freak. His documentation was said to be disorderly and often incomplete and his manner of dealing with it erratic. His disdain for most of his colleagues, his unwillingness or incapacity to involve them in decision making, his habitual lateness for important meetings and his disregard for those he kept waiting, his irregular hours, the demands he made on his colleagues and staff, yet his indifference to their response to his demands, have earned him a reputation for being an unremittingly difficult colleague, and an almost impossible person with which to work.

He seems to have a boundless capacity for work and can live with just a few hours sleep. This was seen as a laudable trait until it was gradually realized that it was not accompanied by a steady flow of work completed on time. Rhetoric abounded to coincide with the media cycle but there were disappointingly small outcomes. Soon the slogan ‘all talk, no action’ was coined and repeated endlessly by both the Coalition and the media.

When it comes to productivity, the product of competence and management efficiency, Julia Gillard wins hands down.

Inclusiveness
This is where Julia Gillard reigns supreme. Her cabinet colleagues tell of the smoothness of her Cabinet meetings, her capacity to include all who can contribute, her skill at fruitful relationships, her willingness to listen, the warmth of her personality, her friendliness.

These attributes are in stark contrast to those of Kevin Rudd, who seems afflicted with virtually the opposite of all of these. The result in his later years was a dysfunctional and at times a paralysed government, an ineffective Cabinet system, and an impotent PM.

Communication skills;
Julia Gillard
Our PM has been lampooned for ‘not being able to get the message across’; more charitable journalists concede that she has many good messages to sell, but insist she fails continually. Why is this so? Is it her ocker drawl, or her frequent repetition of some phrases that grate, or her non-verbal signals, or her schoolmarmish approach to questions, or her dress? Is it what she says or how she says it? To me all this remains a mystery – I have never had any trouble understanding every word she utters. If I were speaking, I would use less repetition, but that simply reflects my style, and who is to judge what is the best style. Journalists certainly think they can and mark the PM down.

She is said to be charming and personable among small gatherings, and the TV clips we see bear this out. But in more formal settings and press conferences she is different and according to the pundits, ineffective. At her recent Adelaide press conference to announce the ballot for leadership, I thought she spoke very well, almost entirely off-the-cuff, and answered many questions, some quite rude, with clarity and laudable brevity. What else do journalists or the public, want?

Kevin Rudd
The contrast with Rudd is stark. He is a brilliant communicator, whether in supermarkets or on the big stage. He has a pleasantly resonant voice, a good turn of phrase, a capacity to write good speeches for big occasions – remember his ‘Apology’ speech – and a sense of place and timing that makes him popular with his audiences and the people at large. He wins hands down over Julia Gillard on public speaking.

I believe this is why he rates so well in the polls as the preferred PM. People at large like him. He is a ‘hail fellow, well met’ who is thronged in public places. People want to touch him and talk with him. He is almost messianic, something not lost on Kevin himself.

Poll addiction
I consider the addiction of political parties, journalists and the media with polling, a pox on our political system, and wrote about this in How opinion polls poison politics. Much of the contemporary turmoil is the direct result of polling, polling which shows Kevin Rudd consistently ahead of Julia Gillard, and Tony Abbott, as preferred Labor leader. There has been a spate of them this weekend showing the same thing, but not all that different from previous polls. But what do they signify? In my opinion they signify approval of the Kevin Rudd they know, the one they have seen in shopping centres, in the street, waving as he gets into cars, in hospitals, outside church, with his lovely family, in arranged ‘pressers’, or in celebrity TV slots. But there is another Kevin Rudd that they don’t know, because little about the other Kevin has reached the general public, kept hidden by his colleagues and media somewhat reluctant to expose some of the nasty side. Now that Rudd has challenged though, the veil has been lifted, and colleagues and journalists feel liberated to tell all. And it’s not pretty.

David Marr in his Quarterly Essay: Power Trip. The Political Journey of Kevin Rudd says: “Rudd had sold himself to the Australian people as a new kind of leader: a man of intellect and values out to reshape the future. If he isn’t that, people are asking, what is he? And who is he? … Millions of words have been written about him since he emerged from the Labor pack half a dozen years ago, but Rudd remains hidden in full view.” That Essay powerfully details Rudd’s pattern of work and behaviour. I could scarcely bring myself to believe it when it appeared in June 2010, such was my faith in Rudd, but sadly what Marr said has turned out to be the case. He repeated his claims in Friday night’s Lateline. Read the transcript here. Malcolm Farr too had much to say on the same show, confirming Rudd’s backgrounding of journalists and business people against Julia Gillard’s legislative program, describing her to a senior businessman as an ‘f bomb (inaudible) bitch’. There are now strong suspicions he or his agent leaked the story to Laurie Oakes, who incidentally, perhaps feeling somewhat chastened about what his leak did to the Gillard 2010 election campaign, has featured an unflattering secondhand story about Rudd’s behaviour in his regular column.

Then there was an exposé by James Button, who was Rudd’s speechwriter for a while, in The Age National Times of 25 February that painted a most unflattering picture of his chaotic patterns of work in We need to talk about Kevin . Here’s just one paragraph: “..Rudd's prime ministership failed, and the failure was, above all, his own. The story of his government, and of its end, has still not been fully told. The consequence has been deep damage to Australians' faith in politics and in government.” He goes on to describe the chaotic Rudd – the Mr Hyde. Anyone still needing to be convinced of this should read the whole article.

Finally, can anyone explain to me why intelligent politicians believe that Kevin Rudd can lead them to victory based on contemporary popularity polls, taken eighteen months out from an election, and reflecting only the public’s opinion of the Kevin they know. What would they say if they really knew the other Kevin, the one who found himself incapable of governing? In my view, these polls are meaningless as predictors, and to base voting for a leader on them is grotesque and stupid to boot. And what is the point of victory under Rudd if he is incapable of governing because of his personality, which he cannot change? These polls are simply personality contests; Monday’s ballot is about who can govern best.

Where does that leave us?
As a strong supporter of Kevin Rudd from the outset, I for one found it difficult to accept the emerging stories of his dysfunctional behaviour, especially after he started so well. I did not want to believe them. But believe them I now must. Was he like that all along? I suspect so; it just took us two years to find that out.

From what I hope you will see as an objective analysis, it is my unavoidable conclusion that Julia Gillard is the only one properly equipped to govern this nation. Kevin Rudd is not. I hope caucus agrees.

What do you think?

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Jaeger

25/02/2012I think you're right, AA. Abbott and Latham are sociopaths; they're so dysfunctional, you know they are trouble and give them a wide berth. Rudd on the other hand is a psychopath: a smiling assassin, very dangerous. Don't get me wrong; he achieved some important milestones as PM, such as the apology. The lack of HoR supporters on his side - i.e. those that had to work with him - is very telling. I think the truth about Rudd is finally coming out, and it isn't pretty; it's hurting Labor, but the alternative - Rudd Mk II - is even worse.

DMW

25/02/2012Thankyou Ad. interesting and well laid out 'scorecard' You didn't mention the 'faceless men' in your article but they need to be exposed and it has now happened: [b]Kevin plays the family card while Julia keeps Tim in the background[/b] Ellen Whinnett @Sunday Herald Sun http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/kevin-plays-the-family-card-while-julia-keeps-tim-in-the-background/story-e6frfhqf-1226281560866

Jaeger

25/02/2012DMW - I blame Jasper the cat; tinfoil hats are no protection against toxoplasmosis.

el gordo

25/02/2012They are both poison to the party and a compromise candidate must be chosen. Smith, Crean, Combet, Shorten or possibly Roxon.

DMW

26/02/2012Thanks Jaeger I will remember your advice in the unlikely event that I ever become pregnant.

Jaeger

26/02/2012DMW, toxo is definitely a problem with pregnant women; the mind control aspects with both sexes are more subtle. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/8873/

NormanK

26/02/2012Ad astra This is a telling and comprehensive evaluation of the two candidates that should be read by all interested parties. Two immediate thoughts - one a little unkind perhaps, the other fanciful. [quote]Rudd’s courage was on display when he delivered his Apology to Indigenous People. Only those with the hardest of hearts were not moved with Rudd’s sincerity and eloquence.[/quote] What did it actually cost Kevin Rudd to do the Apology Speech? What was courageous about ti? Presumably he would have had legal advice about whether compensation claims might result because of it. My best understanding is that litigation is what inhibited Howard from going so far as to say sorry thereby admitting culpability. The advice that Rudd got must have reassured him that it was safe to do so. The legal boys and girls probably checked the wording of his speech. With the benefit of hindsight (and not a little malice at my having been duped so well for so long) it is now possible for me to look on the Apology Speech as being the ultimate media stunt which cost Rudd nothing and garnered him lots of praise, especially among the indigenous community. My background is theatre and the Apology Speech was a great piece of theatre. I am being unkind perhaps but I ask again "what did it cost him?" No complex legislation, no pressure on the budget, not much risk of adverse reaction in the polls (I should point out that his apology did not go down terribly well in my little redneck country Queensland town - but they were never going to vote for him anyway). I was deeply moved by it. It was a beautiful speech expressing sentiments that were long overdue but with the benefit of malevolent hindsight it was also straight out of the Kevin Rudd Playbook. I was moved by his eloquence - I now question his sincerity. In fact, like a cuckolded husband, I now question every single thing that he ever did apart from the response to the GFC and even then I'm curious to know who drew up the plans. Ken Henry? Wayne Swan? My second flight of fancy was prompted by something you asked. [quote]Finally, can anyone explain to me why intelligent politicians believe that Kevin Rudd can lead them to victory based on contemporary popularity polls, taken eighteen months out from an election, and reflecting only the public’s opinion of the Kevin they know.[/quote] Here's one way that it could work. Don't give him any policy responsibility. Keep him as a figure-head to front the media, an attack dog to challenge Abbott and let the ministers get on with their jobs guided by Cabinet Meetings. Give him all of the resources he needs to continue to build up his own mythology, give the public what they seem to be craving. Smiling happy Kevin. Adjusting his glasses in an intelligent and thoughtful manner Kevin. Photo opportunity Kevin. Straight talking Kevin (with a bit of swearing on the side). Use Rudd's popularity to the party's advantage but give him none of the power to do harm. Reckon Rudd would go for it?

DMW

26/02/2012Excellent article from Saturday's Canberra Times [b]Mills of Rudd grind Gillard away[/b] Jack Waterford [i]The Kevin Rudds of this world nearly always need a Julia Gillard, or someone like her, to clean up their messes, sort out bruised egos, and keep the show on the road. The Julia Gillards of this world need people with some iron will, vision and bottom, to harness their practicality and their talent for making things happen.[/i] http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/mills-of-rudd-grind-gillard-away-20120224-1trur.html Waterford, as is often the case, shines some light into corners I hadn't looked at and makes me rethink.

DMW

26/02/2012NK, your 'flight of fancy' makes me think you would make a great 'faceless man' :) The challenge would be, as Waterford points out, having a 2IC like JG to make things happen. There are some very talented people in the current caucus that could do it. Apart from whether Rudd would but it would anybody be willing to take on the very onerous and wearing task of making it happen while being kicked in the guts by the boss?

jane

26/02/2012A great thought provoking post as usual, Ad astra. Like you, I was very impressed by Kevin Rudd. He was a breath of fresh and inspiring air Even better, he had the ghastly John Howard on the run. I was overjoyed when he was elected, even more so when we knew he had The Rodent's scalp on his belt. And when the rumours started circulating about his temper, his unreasonable demands on staff, his dysfunctional and erratic work patterns, I didn't want to believe it and put it down to sour grapes, so enamoured was I. I was certainly disappointed when he shelved the ETS, but convinced myself that he was waiting for a more favourable Senate composition and kept on believing in him. Then came the so-called knifing. Like a lot of us, I was aghast; I didn't know what to think. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason for the sacking. Gillard's stumbling, oft changing and unconvincing reasons for deposing the king. The "Sussex Street Mafia" got the blame-Gillard had to jump before they pushed her, etc, etc. Then came the gall bladder and the "heroic return" to save the government and dispel the rumours of barely concealed hostility between Rudd and Gillard. Then Laurie Oakes' devastating story and the leaks rumour and fingers pointed at Rudd. Once again, I couldn't and wouldn't, believe that he would betray his party and the government of which he was a senior member out of spite. I just [b]knew[/b] he was better than that. He was nobly suffering in silence and working to get the government re-elected. The election came and went and the press and plenty of so-called pundits pilloried Gillard mercilessly. With each passing day and every cruel vicious attack, my admiration for her grew. She got on with the job, never complained, never gave her critics the satisfaction of a reaction, never cracked, but turned adversity into success, negotiating her minority government into a productive, competent, smooth running outstanding success, passing 269 pieces of legislation including the controversial MRRT and Carbon Pricing bills. Through all of this she has behaved with enormous courage, grace and dignity, unlike critics like the repulsive Alan Jones and his fellow shock jocks with their cowardly, lying, virulent attacks on her character. Which brings me to The Challenge from the pretender to the throne, Kevin Rudd. To my sadness and anger, instead of the noble sinned against hero of my imagination, I find he is a grubby, spiteful, vindictive autocrat, who plotted to bring down a duly elected government and to blacken the character of his successor out of revenge and hubris. He has betrayed himself, his colleagues, his supporters and the people of this country. He is not fit to be PM. Julia Gillard is 10, nay 100 times the person he is; steadfast in adversity, courageous in the face of seemingly insurmountable obstacles, calm in the face of vicious and petty minded attacks on her character, head and shoulders above her critics and naysayers. I expect her to win this ballot by a wide margin and to go on to greater heights in the coming months. Winning the ballot is very important; it will establish once and for all her right to the position of first female leader of the ALP and her legitimacy as our first female PM.

Patricia WA

26/02/2012After reading AA's comparative score card we probably don't need further re-inforcement, but just in case John Brumby thinks [quote]Running the country is a hard and selfless exercise, which requires important personal qualities: determination, decisiveness, self-belief, loyalty, decency and a sense of purpose. It requires strong leadership - and with it an ability and willingness to work with cabinet, with caucus, with the Parliament and with the broader community to achieve lasting change. Julia Gillard has these qualities in spades. She is a team player whose single motivation is a better and stronger Australia. Her record of achievement is testament to this. Australia is best served by Julia Gillard remaining as Prime Minister, continuing to lead her government and the nation. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/divided-they-stand-20120225-1tvf6.html#ixzz1nPDmzdm3 [/quote]

DMW

26/02/2012This bizarre soap opera is throwing up more subplots than just about any other soapie that I could try to think of. There are are journalists writing articles that defy preconceived notions of who we may think they support. [b]Kevin denies bizarre, expletive-laden attack[/b] Samantha Maiden @ The Sunday Telegraph [i]KEVIN Rudd has denied describing Julia Gillard as a "childless, atheist, ex-communist" as he plotted a comeback a year ago. Labor frontbencher Kate Ellis and other witnesses have revealed for the first time the "full story" of Mr Rudd's alleged behaviour at Adelaide's Stag Hotel in February last year.[/i] What makes this article all the more intriguing are some tweets that I came across not long after reading it: [i]Excuse me @KRuddMP but you are lying about Adelaide. I was there. I heard what you said. @samanthamaiden if you need it, I can confirm Rudd's statements in Adelaide. I was there, standing next to him.[/i] The people that are coming out of the woodwork now that Mr Rudd stages his comeback is bewildering.

DMW

26/02/2012and I don't for one moment think that come Monday no matter the result that it will be the end of this bizarre soap opera. Mike Carlton has presented a ditty that rings some alarm bells and an historical reminder of the stupidity of the whole schemozzle. [i]We're angry little Vegemites as vicious as can be, We've ripped into each other since we joined the ALP. The polling spells disaster, getting worse with every week But we enjoy a faction fight, A savage brawl of left and right It puts a rose in every cheek! The last time a minority government fell apart like this was in 1941, when Robert Menzies' wartime Tories tore each other to shreds. That, too, was a fight over power and personalities, not policy and principle. Menzies was knifed by his own United Australia Party, ...[/i] [b]The party's over. Rest in despair[/b] http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/the-partys-over-rest-in-despair-20120224-1ttja.html At this moment I will not fall into despair however I am shaking my head and wondering why the hell apparently mature and intelligent adults are behaving worse than any school-yard bully I ever met.

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012Ad astra, Simply the Best. *J*U*L*I*A* is simply the best of all Labor's brilliant team, and You Ad astra are simply the best commentator on the Blogosphere. IMO anyway. Your thread is the most limpid expose ever of the differences between our immediate past Prime Minister and the present one. No-one could do better. And never has a thread been more timely. One would hope that friend Nasking, on reading of the stark contrasts between the rivals, would finally come to realise that we - all the rest of us here on TPS I think - have [i]good reason [/i]to be firmly of the opinion that Julia Gillard has what it takes, and it is now painfully obvious that Kevin Rudd doesn't. We, the absolute majority bar Nas, don't [i]have[/i] to be wrong just because we all have independently arrived at the same conclusion. I know that one person [i]can[/i] be the only marcher in step, or the only person with a monopoly on the Truth . . . Think of Galileo with his Truth about planetary movement standing against the whole Holy (refused-to) See . . . but Nasking [i]that's not You in this case![/i] Please back off your hasty declaration that if (when) JG rolls KR in about 40 hours as I write, you will never write again here, nobody wants that. Just read Ad's thread, I don't see how a rational being, with goodwill to the ALP, could possibly come to any conclusion but the one which you alone reject. We will win the 2013 election by 'building on the rock', with bricks, not with twigs and straw on shifting sands, not by running in fright from long-term-substantial but short-term-unpopular policy initiatives and personalities, and not by running to populist but short-term policy sops and soppy populist politicians. Nix on tricks. *J*U*L*I*A* builds the House with bricks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHj_pJBwWg&feature=related I can't wait to hear the new revitalised Labor attack on the Coalons from Monday on, and as for the rude gotcha types in the MSM, I relish the thought of our staunch articulate Labor spokespeople putting them firmly in their place, which is [i]not[/i] making decisions for the People, except insofar as they are responsible for tellng the People the Truth. And Bruce Hawker, the archetypal Faceless Man, can hide the rest of his head in his own bucket of merde forever afa I'm concerned. Let's have proper policy, not Tea Party tactics as someone said so truly. We need fundamentally to change the way the MSM operates to jeer Labor's terrific achievements, to a role of informing and educating the Australian People instead. [b]Come Monday! [i]Bring it on![/i] as our *J*U*L*I*A* is not afraid to say. [i]Simply the best.[/i] Ad astra, and *J*U*L*I*A*, both. And Lyn's~Links are simply the best source of information accessible to us Bloggers. The Political Sword is Great. [i][b]VENCEREMOS![/b][/i][/b]

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012Look what I found on Poll Bludger. Dan Gulberry Posted Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 2:56 am | Permalink ad astra at The Political Sword has compiled a Gillard v Rudd scorecard. The conclusion: As a strong supporter of Kevin Rudd from the outset, I for one found it difficult to accept the emerging stories of his dysfunctional behaviour, especially after he started so well. I did not want to believe them. But believe them I now must. Was he like that all along? I suspect so; it just took us two years to find that out. From what I hope you will see as an objective analysis, it is my unavoidable conclusion that Julia Gillard is the only one properly equipped to govern this nation. Kevin Rudd is not. I hope caucus agrees. http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2012/02/25/The-Gillard-Rudd-comparative-scorecard-.aspx Thank you Dan Gulberry. But Dog I do hope we can [b]Stop The Bludgers [/b]from invading The Political Sword, Web Monkey can you please put up a [b]FULL[/b] sign at the top of the page?! :) *my say* are you still anywhere, I don't see you on PB atm, you are so-o-o-o welcome here, you have a beautiful conscience. How many degrees of separation are there between me and *my say* I wonder? Between Ad astra and *J*U*L*I*A* or Kevin, or Abbortt or (random eg) Tony Zappia? And will Tony Zappia hear of this I wonder? I believe in this medium, let us make the most of it by liaising in every way we can with other bloggers and with journalists and with politicians and with human beings as well. Lyn our Tweety bird shows the way, but we all need to help, I think people are a bit shy of cross-posting, and of transplanting others' posts from elswhere, well DON'T BE! Everyone loves their posts going around other sites afa I know. I sure do. I EXPECT that somehow someone will let *my say* know through the ether that TalkTurkey adores her posts and wants her to visit us here at least. I don't post on PB myself so someone had better let her know, or let us all down. [i]Merci bien.[/i] Wonder if Tony Zappia will decide to give us a hat tip. :)

lyne lady

26/02/2012Great article - says it all really. When the caucus overwhelmingly supports the PM tomorrow, the white anting disgraceful Rudd should go back under his rock and allow the great ALP party to get on with the great reforms they are putting in place for the good of the country. Kevin - it's not all about you, it's about Australia!

Ian

26/02/2012AA, wonderfully measured analysis...thank you. Jane@1.38am Could not agree more Normank@12.26am Ditto

johnL1

26/02/2012While I do not quarrel with most of what is said in this post, I do query the following: “His (Rudd) courage failed him as he tried to push this reform (the Resource Super Profits Tax) through. He seemed to misjudge the electorate, whom he thought would embrace the idea of levying taxes on wealthy miners and passing it onto the people, and left the reform incomplete and in disarray. It was Julia Gillard who had the courage to renegotiate it and get it through parliament as the Minerals Resource Rent Tax against Coalition resistance and a hostile industry campaign.” First, the reform was incomplete because Rudd was deposed. Second, the tax was gaining public acceptance despite a concerted and expensive advertising campaign against it by the mining industry. The Resources Super Profit Tax (RSPT) was announced on May 2, 2010. The Newspoll taken immediately before this ( April 30-May 2) showed Labor’s primary vote at 35 per cent, 43 for the combined Coalition, 10 for Greens and 12 for Others, giving a two-party preferred vote of 51-49 to the Coalition. The next Newspoll (for May 14-16) put Labor’s primary vote at 37 per cent, the combined Coalition at 43, the Greens at 12, and 8 for Others, giving a two-party preferred vote of 50-50. The Newspoll (for May 28-30) put Labor’s primary vote at 35 the combined Coalition at 41, the Greens at 16 and Others at 8 for a two-party preferred vote of 51-49 for Labor. The Newspoll (for June 18-20 the last before Rudd was deposed) showed Labor’s primary vote at 35, the combined Coalition at 40, the Greens at 15 and Others at 10 for a two-party preferred vote of 52-48 for Labor. Labor’s two-part preferred vote in the three Newspolls after the RSPT was announced went up 3 per cent to 52 per cent, the combined Coalition primary and two-party-preferred vote were both down 3 per cent to 40 and 48 respectively and the Greens (who supported the RSPT) were up 5 per cent on their primary vote. In an article (from the viewpoint of those who organised to deposed Rudd) in The Australian Financial Review on July 16 2010, Pamela Williams says in the third paragraph: “Gillard’s ascent to the prime ministership followed an almost flawless campaign ignited by a small handful of Labor MPs just freshly elected in 2007. But it involved some seasoned players too, as well as an explosive campaign by wealthy mining titans, and some subtle manouevring by old Labor hands who traced their lineage back to the days of Hawke’s government.” Williams reveals that “in early June” Karl Bitar, then ALP national secretary, met Geoff Walsh, a former ALP general secretary and in charge of public affairs at BHP-Billion, to discuss politics and the mining tax. It says the meeting left unanswered questions of whether the Minerals Council polling results were on the table too. The article says: “Asked about the meeting, Bitar yesterday (July 15) declined any comment beyond saying: ‘Private discussions between me and a former national secretary of the party are private’.” Williams continues: “But a small group of Labor MPs, aware of Walsh’s meeting with Labor’s campaign manager, have privately raised concerns about perceptions of the extent of the mining industry’s role in the assassination of a prime minister. For the miners, the demise of Rudd was spectacular good fortune. Gillard – as the new Prime Minister – made it her first job to dramatically water down major aspects of the resource tax that had so angered the companies.” On Monday June 14 2010 an article on The Sydney Morning Herald website, under the heading “ALP backbench tells Rudd to move on RSPT”, Sandra O’Malley reported that NSW backbencher (Senator) Steve Hutchins told the party room that he and a number of colleagues wanted the issue resolved before parliament rose for the winter recess on June 24. The article said the prime minister is insisting “the government needs to hold its nerve”. Interestingly, the article went on to mention “there has been growing chatter about the prospect of Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard taking over the leadership” and that a survey by Essential Research the previous week “continued to show an even divide in the community over the mining tax”. Finally, I question whether it took much courage to weaken the RSPT (which after all was a recommendation of the Henry tax review) so that its successor, the Minerals Resource Rent Tax (MRRT), was much more favourable to the big miners. All that said, I still think it is in the nation's and Government’s best interests for Julia Gillard to remain as Prime Minister. I do not think that she or Rudd should be eulogised, but neither do I think they should be demonised in the manner of Wayne Swan’s comments about Rudd.

grannie

26/02/2012Now hopefully the rest of the country willl see what a gracious caring person and great leader is Julia gillard first lady pm of australia.gob blessyou Julia

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Lyne Lady Great to have you here, thankyou so much for sharing your opinion on TPS. Big welcome to you we all hope you keep dropping in and leave your comments here on TPS. I am not sure how reliable Vex News is , but this is a report, which is scary:- [i]THE SUM OF ALL SMEARS: Is Kevin Rudd actually mad or just maddening?, Vex News[/i] We don’t say he is the Doc Evatt of his generation lightly. It’s as bad an insult as we can muster. He’s unfit to hold high office. The PM made a big mistake – albeit an understandable one – by retaining him in her team. She trusted him to suck up the brutal punishment imposed by his colleagues on him for his dysfunctional leadership, http://www.vexnews.com/2012/02/the-sum-of-all-smears-is-kevin-rudd-actually-mad-or-just-maddening/ Cheers:):):):):):)

grannie

26/02/2012Gosh iam granny. How lovley of you dan is a great guy beleive me , i moved to franks .ihad togo. And find a peacefull place, of like minds, i never new much about your site, but i did post the above on pb :-) :-) I willbook mark. Your site for a daily look

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Grannie Thankyou and a Big welcome to you, we do appreciate your comment on TPS very much. Ad Astra will come along soon and say hello to you. [i] Now hopefully the rest of the country will see what a gracious caring person and great leader is Julia gillard first lady pm of australia. god bless you Julia[/i] Those are such nice words you have said for Julia Cheers:):):):)

Bring Back Maxine

26/02/2012Hi AA An insightful & informative compare & contrast of both protagonists' leadership credentials. I was really dismayed when Rudd appointed Costello to head the Future Fund. Appointing one of the architects of Workchoices to a plum Government post really stank. The fact that he was white-anting Julia Gillard since his loss of the PMship will trash his legacy, and rightly so. The manner in which he was removed from the leadership, whether rightly or wrongly, does not justify one iota his subsequent treachery. I'm really annoyed that such Labor notables as Anthony Albanese, Maxine McKew & Ed Husic have come out in support of Rudd. I regard all Rudd supporters as accessories after the fact of this treachery which almost delivered Abbott government. I'll be looking for a new avatar & Blog name.

Tom of Melbourne

26/02/2012[i]Bring Back Maxine[/i] …and yet the genuine Maxine McKew remains a strong supporter of Rudd, and continues to express antipathy towards Gillard and the warlords who knifed Rudd. But what would the genuine article know about politics? No doubt the fake one is far better informed.

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012I thought of writing a parody . . . But this [i]is [/i]a prescient parody of Kevin Rudd, it is spooky even. I have never seen a cap off the shelf so precisely fit a head. http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=behind%20blue%20eyes&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CD4QtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBfuWXRZe9yA&ei=3GJJT-rGJpCciAf9--iCDg&usg=AFQjCNHauzcHrlgGwABMIBSS-s6WHnjUNA No one knows what it's like To be the bad man To be the sad man Behind blue eyes And no one knows what it's like to be hated To be fated to telling only lies [Chorus:] But my dreams they aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be I have hours, only lonely My love is vengeance That's never free No one knows what its like To feel these feelings Like i do, and i blame you! No one bites back as hard On their anger None of my pain and woe Can show through [Chorus] Discover l.i.m.p. say it [x4] No one knows what its like To be mistreated, to be defeated Behind blue eyes No one knows how to say That they're sorry and don't worry I'm not telling lies [Chorus] No one knows what its like To be the bad man, to be the sad man Behind blue eyes. [Thanks to ApexTheory25@hotmail.com for these lyrics] [Thanks to durstluva1014@yahoo.com, zip_4_ever@yahoomail.com, enloqueciendome88@hotmail.com, cstillsmokin@ctc.net for correcting these lyrics] Yeah all that and Thanks The WHO! TT

Patricia WA

26/02/2012Bring Back Maxine - glad to read that. I'm always happy to read your comments. As well until now I've always loved your gravatar and name because of happy memories of LNL and the big 2007 unseating of Howard. I was astounded at the personal venom towards the PM in that article of hers. It didn't fit my sense of her at all. Yet, if that really reflects something of her true character it does explain why so few of the old faithful have done much to help restore her political career after that not really so surprising shift away from Labor there in 2010. Though I had thought that Maxine being the Maxine I thought I knew she'd be able to hang on to it.

2353

26/02/2012A well reasoned argument AA. The problem here is we have one contestant who knows the popularity game and by reputation can't handle the administration game versus another who can't play the popularity game and by reputation can handle the administration game. One is relying on colleagues to support them, the other is relying on the public ringing colleagues. It seems that one is secure in their own skin, the other on isn't - judged by the media circus surrounding one of them using their family in the process. The Rudd Government did develop the stimulus package that kept us out of the GFC Part 1, and Gillard did get the CPRS through - both brilliant achievements. Both have squibbed it in reducing excesses such as "middle class welfare", tax rorts, truth in media and so on. Whatever happens, I wish the one that "gets voted off the island" (yes that term is deliberate - they have both at various stages over the last 18 months turned a serious matter into a reality TV game) does not have another go and leaves the eventual PM alone so that they can promote their successes. I would love to be in the meeting room tomorrow to tell them both they are pathetic. Systematic leaking, media stunts and so on do not make a good PM. They both really deserve a long stint on the Opposition Benches to appreciate how their actions screwed themselves and the ALP - the unfortunate thing is that Abbott would be worse for Australia than either of these clowns. The longer version of this article appeared in the Brisbane Sunday Mail today. If you can get a copy of the full one, I'd suggest it is better, but this is still worth reading. http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/clout-seems-to-lie-with-older-generations/story-fn6ck620-1226281503985. Why are we being constantly manipulated? Beam me up Scotty - there is no intelligent life (in the political parties) in this country. The sad thing is that people who should know better don't do anything about it.

Eve White

26/02/2012As one of the many from whose eyes the scales have dropped over Kevin Rudd, I thank you, AA, for you detailed analysis of the relative capacity of the two rivals for the position of Prime Minister Believing that the role of government is the betterment of the country and its people, it is not difficult do discern that Julia Gillard has achieved and continues to achieve a great deal to this end. From the latest revelations, as well as his current behaviour, it is clear that Kevin Rudd is pursuing personal ambition to the exclusion of all else, including the party he claims to be committed to. Let us not forget that it was through Julia Gillard bringing along her factional colleagues that Rudd acquired his LOTO role. No doubt, at some level he deeply resents the notion that he did not get there entirely by his own efforts. In the light of that, it is interesting how he has attempted to bypass and indeed eliminate the role of factions in the caucus, thus attempting to become dictator for life through controlling all appointments. The reports of his pejorative terms for Gillard, including the incident at the Stag Hotel in Adelaide suggest the kind of misogyny for which we rightfully criticise TonY Abbott. The predicted defeat in tomorrow's ballot,and the loss of role ( even though he himself chose to resign)will leave him evenmore vengeful and more time to create mischief with that huge energy. Unfortunately the sensitivity with which he was treated after June 2010 has clearly not elicited any appreciation or self-awareness in Mr Rudd. It is characteristic of narcissists that they are incapable of either gratitude or remorse. It would be very unwise to discount the huge potential for destruction which will be further unleashed

grannie

26/02/2012One thing if i may. During 2007 i was so excited about the election, a friend stunded me, she reminds me now:-) :-) , KR one year wonder.nothing much will happen,'wnat i said indignation , in my voice. Shs said how do u think howard stayed there aall these years, NO i said how. Thinkabout he did nothing, got a bigfright re his polls during the GST.sent us to iraq, just nice big gifts like baby bonus:-) :-) . . Thats how, and that folks is what we realy seen when u take off your coloured glasses,' 2007/10 I think it was PJK who said pms are not suppose d to be loved wtte, they are here to run a country. Ps wish i didnot have such fat fingers, re the hand held device,'but its much more socabble than hiding in the study on the computer

Patricia WA

26/02/2012Agree with you Eve White, Rudd's potential to cause damage is huge, but better by far he is unmasked and not running country. I am very impressed that so many Labor MPs would rather lose their seats than support him. Lyn always links to Andrew Elder so I'm probably repeating her here. Worth reading the 'objective' assessment of a non-Labor writer. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/gillard-and-labor-leadership.html

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Eve White Thankyou so much for very interesting and enjoyable comment, and a big thankyou for taking time off to comment on TPS. We need to read you more often. Your opinion is greatly appreciated, you would have been a good mix yesterday with Augustus and Ian. Cheers:):):):)

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Grannie [i]Ps wish i didnot have such fat fingers, re the hand held device,'but its much more socabble than hiding in the study on the computer[/i] Don't worry about the fingers, you are doing a great job, sharing your opinion, good on you. BTW you weren't the only one excited about the 2007 election, Kevin Rudd had the country spellbound. You are right it's not supposed to be a popularity contest, ear lobes,long noses, voice projection, religious beliefs, hair does , fashionable clothes, etc. etc. Cheers:):):):)

Ad astra

26/02/2012Folks When I went to bed last night after posting this piece, I did not anticipate finding this morning the large number of comments that were posted during the night, which have continued through the morning. I thank you all for your kind words and encouragement and for your additional analysis and information. [i]TPS[/i] is a fine repository for useful information and insights from keen political observers. First though, I would like to welcome to [i]The Political Sword[/i] family three new contributors: lyne lady, grannie and Eve White. We hope you will come back often and leave your comments, as you have done so comprehensively this morning. There several comments to which I will respond, which I will do seriatim over the following hour.

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Patricia Thanks for putting up Andrew, there is so much out there I don't think I will cope with it all in the morning anyway. I will still post the article for historical purposes in our archives with "Today's Links". Go for it put up as much information as you can find for us, we need it. Patricia said: [i] am very impressed that so many Labor MPs would rather lose their seats than support him[/i] This impresses me too but also a worry if we get the wrong result tomorrow. Cheers:):):):)

Michael

26/02/2012Well, didn't Kevin Rudd have so much to say today to Laurie Oakes? So much it can all be reduced to one word, two letters, one syllable... "me"

Ad astra

26/02/2012jaeger You are obviously familiar with psychology. Your analysis of Latham, Abbott and Rudd is astute. A clip from Laurie Oakes’ interview of Kevin Rudd this morning, aired on ABC TV, shows Rudd promising total loyalty to Julia Gillard if she is elected to leadership tomorrow. Time will tell if that is genuine, or whether Rudd continues to be, to use your words, ‘the smiling assassin’. BTW, I was unable to see the Oakes interview due to my TV picture so breaking-up that it became unwatchable, right here in the centre of Melbourne! Those who saw it may wish to comment on it here.

Ad astra

26/02/2012DMW You mention ‘the faceless men’. I am old enough to remember the original use of that term. As Wikipedia records: [i]”At the March ALP conference, journalist Alan Reid commissioned a photograph of Arthur Calwell and Gough Whitlam standing outside the venue at Kingston in Canberra. Although Calwell was the Leader of the Opposition in the House of Representatives and Whitlam was on the opposition front bench, neither man was a member of the Party's federal executive. Reid jibed that the ALP was ruled by "36 faceless men" – a jibe that was effectively used by Menzies and is still remembered more than 40 years later.”[/i]. Then the Parliamentary Labor Party was said to be governed by the 36 member Labor Federal Executive, whose faces were generally unknown to the public. The tag ‘faceless men’ was potent then, and still is. However, it is now somewhat of a misnomer. The structure of the ALP is different now, and the behind-the-scenes manipulations are largely among caucus members, whose faces we know. But the tag still gives the electorate the feeling that people other than those in charge are pulling Labor’s strings, and they don’t like it. Factions still exist in all parties and have influence; they are drawn from the caucus, but no doubt influenced by non-elected apparatchiks. It is hard to imagine the powerbrokers relinquishing any of their power, but being exposed as they have been during this episode, they may be more circumspect in the future.

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012Grannie! I am so pleased . for you . to have your say on The Political Sword. (K) ! johnL1 Lots of info . . . Thank you . . . but of it all what I do remember particularly were the Kevin O'Lemon ads, if Rudd had got up they would be back by Tuesday! Amazingly - well not really, some of us have predicted it - this whole saga is being amazingly [b]good for Labor![/b]. Lyne Lady - I saw your post on PB earlier directing Bludgers here to Ad's Admirable Article. You are always welcome, and isn't Rob Oakeshott something eh, he is courageous to the point of nobility, I honour him much. and I have read many of your posts on PB too, well without wishing to poach some of the best writers from PB, I assure you that you are welcome to post here anytime. Hat tip to Jaeger, all other Goodwillian Swordsfolks too. Bring Back Maxine You would know that I have used your blog name right back at you before, loving your gravatar and admiring your povs, but yes I saw that sour Maxine yesterday too, gee it doesn't take much to trash a great reputation and she managed it for me in a few words. So sorry. Bring Back Maxine you said I'm really annoyed that such Labor notables as Anthony Albanese, Maxine McKew & Ed Husic have come out in support of Rudd. I regard all Rudd supporters as accessories after the fact of this treachery which almost delivered Abbott government. Yes imagine Ed Husic, and Maxine! Albanese is different and could yet be the mango ointment for the stripes Rudd will have to bear in 24 hours. To be fair to Husic I haven't seen his reasoning, but I doubt whether I would think it sensible. Maxine, well she does seem rancid doesn't she! Come on Maxine girl, sweeten up. You did a great thing rolling the Rodent, don't ruin it now. BBM then you said [i][b]I'll be looking for a new avatar & Blog name.[/b] [/i] Swordsfolks ! Help BBM in his time of trouble! Announcing! [i][b]The Quest for the New Gravatar![/b][/i] :) [b]Suggestions?[/b] [i]Must be made by 8 pm tonight when I will put up my own suggestion.[/i] BBM is under no obligation to accept any btw of course. Insiders was much more respectful and reasonable than I had expected. There are hidden agendas with Crassidy of course, but even Pigs was a bit restrained toady. Oops [i]today[/i]. :) *smiling assassin* Ad ? Yes, and *the enemy within*. I just hope he isn't so-o-o-o-o bent out of shape he does something we will all regret . . . He does have that capability. Grannie don't you worry about fat fingers. We like what you say. Do keep coming I can't keep up with the new Swordsfolks today! [i][b]*STOP THE BLUDGERS!*[/b][/i] [b]:)[/b]

Ad astra

26/02/2012el gordo I seem to remember you having been here before, but if not, a warm welcome to the family. My estimate is that an alternative candidate will not be in the offing until much later, and then, according to the pundits, only if the polls continue to be poor. Here again we see this pointless focus on polls. I thought Nicola Roxon hit the nail on the head this morning on [i]Insiders[/i] when she said polls were simply snapshots that are unable to predict. Exactly, especially this far out from an election. I wish Labor would abandon the use of polls to fashion its strategy.

Ad astra

26/02/2012NormanK I read your thesis with great interest and I must say it has an air of plausibility. We will never know whether Rudd’s Apology was a sincere from-the-heart embodiment of what most Australians felt, which required courage to make, or whether, in the light of recent revelations, was a cynical low-risk populist strategy to enhance his image and popularity. I can only hope it was the former – that was the way it came over to me at the time. Your second suggestion that caucus members supporting Rudd might see him being used as a popular front man while the real governing was done by others, is intriguing. That would require a complete reversal of the control freak, ‘I-can-do-anything’ aura that surrounds Rudd right now. Is that possible?

Ad astra

26/02/2012jane Thank you for your comment, with which many readers would be in accord. I empathize strongly with your comment: [i]”To my sadness and anger, instead of the noble sinned against hero of my imagination, I find he is a grubby, spiteful, vindictive autocrat, who plotted to bring down a duly elected government and to blacken the character of his successor out of revenge and hubris. 

He has betrayed himself, his colleagues, his supporters and the people of this country. He is not fit to be PM.[/i]

Ad astra

26/02/2012DMW The Samantha Maiden piece is probably a forerunner of many like it, where journalists expose vignettes of Rudd behaviour, which to date have been kept under wraps, for reasons I don’t understand considering the hostility of much of the press towards the Government. The fact that Rudd denies making disparaging remarks about our female PM, yet several journalists are willing to make statuary declarations that he did indeed make them, gives still more insight into Rudd’s [i]modus operandi[/i].

NormanK

26/02/2012[quote]That would require a complete reversal of the control freak, ‘I-can-do-anything’ aura that surrounds Rudd right now. Is that possible?[/quote] No. It was a completely fanciful look at how the ALP could turn the current circumstances to their advantage but not only would Rudd not accept it, it wouldn't work. If Rudd were re-instated on Monday morning, the piranhas would make sure that he was nothing but bones by Monday evening. The Cone of Silence has been lifted and although it may take a long time for more Australians to have the scales fall from their eyes, it is inevitable that the revelations will continue - especially if Rudd maintains a high profile.

Ad astra

26/02/2012TT Thank you again for your kind words and encouragement, and the YouTube clip. It will be fascinating to view the next QT to see how the Coalition will try to make hay out of Labor’s discomfiture, and Labor’s response to it. I’m return to the south coast today rather than tomorrow so I don’t miss any of it by being on the road. Thank you too for pasting the Dan Gulberry post on [i]PB[/i] VENCEREMOS! Indeed.

Tom of Melbourne

26/02/2012While Ad Astra might prefer to adopt a façade of impartiality, this only serves to reinforce predetermined bias (which is par for the course). There are a range of characteristics that arguably, would equally put Rudd in way front of Gillard, for example – • Honesty, and rebuilding of community trust in the political process. • Ability to provide a sense of community alignment • Capability of representing Australia internationally • Independence of backroom political manipulation I’m sure there are a range of other genuine leadership factors I could identify to prove a point if I was inclined. The bitterness of the attack on Rudd is disgraceful.

Ad astra

26/02/2012JohnL Thank you for your detailed comment. You really have a wonderful capacity for dredging up relevant facts and figures. You are an asset to [i]TPS[/i] Whether or not it took courage from Julia Gillard to change the MMRT is debatable, but she got the legislation through. As they say, ‘compromise is the art of politics’, but there will always be argument about the propriety of any compromise.

janice

26/02/2012Ad astra, Excellent article as usual but I think you were too kind to Kevin Rudd who has outed himself as a vain, lying and deceitful, traitorous excuse for an honest human being. Since he called the media out in the middle of the night in Washington where he was supposed to have his mind entirely on his duties as FM, I have been watching him carefully. His rhetoric has been as changeable as the wind and measured according to his mood at the moment. He wavers from the cheat and liar to the sweet and innocent. He plays the 'poor little me' victim like a violin and is prepared to lie through his teeth when attempting to answer the allegations of his colleagues if he thinks there is no video/audio evidence. If he thinks there might actually be evidence, then he comes up with a carefully crafted excuse for such behaviour which is not uncommon behaviour in certain circumstances. Some media appearances have shown him nervous and twitchy and a couple of hours later he appears again all calm and sweetness and light. Is he on medication? The Oakes interview this morning was one where Oakes handled him with kid gloves. He either lied or waffled around questions and vehemently denied the allegations of his colleagues. He is now appealing to his adoring public by promising that he will be a good little vegemite on the back benches if he loses and will work tirelessly to keep Abbott out of the Lodge. Pity he didn't bother about handing govt to Abbott when he went about his termite operation to bring about the fall of the PM and thereby the government - not to mention very nearly handing govt to Abbott in 2010. I have come to the conclusion that Kevin Rudd is mentally ill and therefore should not be allowed any influence whatever in the government of the nation.

Ad astra

26/02/2012BBM Thank you for your kind comment. I look forward to your new name and Gravatar. 2353 Thank you for your helpful comments. Terry Sweetman’s article was very apt. I won’t beam you up Scotty, we need you here.

lyn

26/02/2012Good Morning Ad Thankyou so very much for your article The-Gillard-Rudd-comparative-scorecard-, your work is valuable and appreciated very much. Your words have helped me heaps you are an educationalist for all of us on TPS. See how popular you are, your last piece went viral, circulating quickly from person to person, and so has this one, but to be sure it has a lot more travelling to do yet. TT mentioned links on PB, there have been lots of tweets as well, I have only just posted Public to Facebook. My first tweet for TPS: lynlinking Lyn Linking Julia has a vast thrilling vision for Australia its people if only media would facilitate its promulgation Ad Astra thepoliticalsword.com/post/2012/02/2 Leroy_LynchLeroy The Gillard - Rudd comparative scorecard #gillardrudd #respill #kevenge #auspol http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2012/02/25/The-Gillard-Rudd-comparative-scorecard-.aspx#.T0lYJSpyh0E.twitter Considered & accurate via @lynlinking WhileyAndrew @WhileyAndrew favorited your Tweet zacksterZac Spitzer The Political Sword | The Gillard - Rudd comparative scorecard: http://bit.ly/wdzlic [b]Laurie Oakes interview:-[/b] I was doing my best: Rudd, Interview Video with Laurie Oakes this morning Updated February 26, 2012 12:08:13 Kevin Rudd tells Laurie Oakes his senior ministers never expressed any concern about his leadership style when he was PM and denies referring to Julia Gillard as a 'childless, atheist ex-communist'. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-26/rudd-speaks-with-laurie-oakes/3853268 You can now watch Nicola Roxon's interview from Insiders this morning. Nicola Roxon joins Insiders Attorney-General Nicola Roxon joins Insiders to discuss Labor's leadership crisis. Barrie Cassidy, The Insiders http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-26/nicola-roxon-joins-insiders/3853234

nasking

26/02/2012When I see Insiders' Barrie Cassidy, predictably, working w/ Nicola Roxon & Murdoch's toad Piers Ackerman to further tarnish former PM Kevin Rudd I can only shake my head at the grotesque alliance that has once again risen its head to undermine a popular, certainly flawed, but understandably aggrieved individual...ex-PM. The attacks on the effective Bruce Hawker have likewise been disgusting...the lowest of low. In regard to the devious & sick campaign hatched to destroy our former PM, which obviously began long before Kevin was knifed as he was not considered an ALP union man enuff...I would expect no less from the Putin government...or a bunch of slimy commies trying via the backdoor to create a one-size- fits-all country...destroying any critic or centrists, maverick politician in their way. My wife & I had a lovely b'day w/ her family yesterday...and whilst at Sizzlers the ALP leadership battle came up constantly. My wife's brother usually votes Labor...he voted for Kev in 07...yet he went for the Libs reluctantly in 10 because he was so disgusted w/ Gillard & her team stabbing a sitting PM in the back in his first-term. He said he will not vote ALP in the upcoming election if Gillard is still there...he believes she was a great Deputy, effective in parliament & helping to coordinate...but he feels that Labor needs someone like Rudd at the top to get the public's attention & talk vision. He feels Rudd is very effective w/ people on the ground via the media...more at ease and sometimes charming and funny...yet w/ the gravitas one expects at time from a big leader...whereas, Julia comes across as a bit cold, stiff and oft snappy, touchy...seems angrily defensive. His wife is a Liberal... neither are particularly happy w/ how early the means-test on the private healthcare rebate comes in as both of them & their young boy have required useful specialised help from private hospitals/healthcare in their time... particularly the past decade (I can attest to that)...and they feel that even tho there wages are pretty good as one has a management job in the disability sector...they feel they are being penalised for work wages that they may not be able to continue for a long time due to their health circumstances...at a time when they are close to paying off their home...and wanting to put their boy in a Lutheran school that was recommended to them. They agreed that the dependent spouse rebate should not have been undermined that way it has. They are highly supportive of the disability insurance scheme... and the NBN...but think it is too expensive...think Turnbull might do a better job w/ it due to his background... but the husband has no love for Abbott (but as I said before...his loathing of Gillard got him to vote Liberal last time...YIKES!). S's brother also likes the fact the Tax-Free Threshold is changing in July... but thinks we should have an ETS as soon as possible. He wants to see more energy diversity...w/ lots of solar panels on roofs as he saw in some countries in Europe. He has them himself. Note: the Disability Insurance Scheme...and a restructured NBN got the biggest thumbs up from them. They were impressed by the internet in Sth Korea & Greece (of all places). BTW, both originate from families who had little money but worked hard to send their kids to moderate, not overly religious private schools... they are yer typical laid back on weekends QLDers...who can be shopaholics, use e-Bay...spoil their child...luv eating out or BBQing & go to Coffee Club/cafes...had investment properties they've now sold...luv the big house & garden...do the elaborate party/celebration bit for Xmas & their boy's b'days/naming ceremony/Christening etc...luv to travel & experience fresh cuisine from other places...tho typically Aussie Aussie Aussie...very mainstream (think TV shows, advertised music etc...tho the hubby listens to a bit of alternative stuff too). The husband is the kind of voter Rudd has to win back. BTW, I missing the Australian Democrats more by the day. N'

nasking

26/02/2012[quote]but yes I saw that sour Maxine yesterday too, gee it doesn't take much to trash a great reputation and she managed it for me in a few words.[/quote] Gimme a break! TT, some of the comments on here are the grubbiest I've seen in years. This is our former PM yer talking about...the individual who helped bring down Howard after 11+ long years. Are you nuts? The stuff from some on the ALP frontbench about as low as you can get. What is this? Former East Germany? Stalinists trying to destroy all before them? The stuff I'm reading is so myopic & biased I'm blown away. If this is how you & that part of the ALP treat a great former PM...how will you treat critics, dissidents when yer Julia has more power? I watched Britian become paralysed back in the 60s & 70s when the far-left & unionists got too much power...I've never forgotten it. I remember the attacks...the threats. I also think Thatcher went overboard too. Providing toffs w/ the courage to treat others like dirt. I want balance...choice...sanity. All tho I support some Green policies...and some of the ALPs...I will not support a party that permits such vicious Stalinist-like propaganda attacks on a former PM...nor those who knifed him. It's disgusting. Ad astra, I cannot believe you supported Jane's grotesque comment. Jane, I'm shocked you've taken such a myopic approach that will see the government lose the next election. Sad days indeed. Gillard supporters, I fear you. You are no better than Abbott's lot. N'

Jason

26/02/2012Aa, GrogsGamut | 15 minutes ago RT @chmharvey: Laurie v Kevin: the transcript. Via The Australian. http://t.co/1W6VwwS4

nasking

26/02/2012[quote]The Samantha Maiden piece is probably a forerunner of many like it, where journalists expose vignettes of Rudd behaviour[/quote] Ad, Samantha Maiden is a paid Murdoch assassin who will do anything to destroy the ALP & get Abbott in... what a grotesque alliance I'm observing once again. Poor Ruddy. The LONG KNIVES are out again. N'

Ian

26/02/2012posting this on political sword, frank and pb To the Kevin Rudd supporters in the Labor Party caucus. I would ask to consider, and answer, as honestly as you can.... these questions. Does the welfare of 23 million Australian citizens matter to you? Does the ego of Kevin Rudd overide those 23 million citizens? At anytime throughout the Rudd Government did you have misgivings about his leadership? Did you have the courage to speak out if this were so? If, as you state, Kevin Rudd didn't get a fair go, why didn't you stick your principles and resign from any positions you may have held, or, indeed, the party itself? Do you think that hiding behind the, obviously sympathetic, bound by cabinet conventions of your colleagues, is a noble position in which to undermine and destroy a Govt. and party you profess to love? Can you guarantee, should Mr Rudd find himself on the backbench tomorrow, he will repay your trust in his integrity and not start another destabilising campaign through the auspices of Mr Hawker? As the truth is becoming more apparent about Mr Rudds style of leadership do think it was necessary for the good of the country to remove him. If not, do you therefore think that it was necessary for Mr Rudd to leak, brief, background journalists, while refering to the PM, and by definition, the office of Prime Minister in such an obscenely derogatory way? Can you give a guarantee to the Australian people that as Australias Foreign Minister Mr Rudd, while busily undermining a duly elected democratic government, acted with this countries best interests at heart? Do you believe that Mr Rudd served both his ego and his heart with regards to the last question? There are many more questions you could ask yourselves. Many questions that would require a brutally honest answer. Perhaps you will have the courage to ask them? Perhaps not? We will find out tomorrow.....wont we?

Jason

26/02/2012Nasking, "The attacks on the effective Bruce Hawker have likewise been disgusting...the lowest of low. " Yet Farrell, Feeny and Arbib part of the "faceless men shtick" put up by Rudd and Hawker, are part of the caucas that has a vote tomorrow. Hawker has no vote and holds no elected position in the Labor party. A real "faceless man.

NormanK

26/02/2012nasking Has someone hacked your computer?

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Ian Big thankyou to you, I have read some of your comments in the past and I always feel like asking you can I pinch your opinion Please. Thankyou so much for your interesting brilliant words. Cheers:):):):):))

nasking

26/02/2012[quote]Hawker has no vote and holds no elected position in the Labor party. A real "faceless man.[/quote] Jason, Hawker's well known. Not faceless. Gillard's team has rolled out critics like Marr, Cassidy & former ALPers... I noticed the following from that transcipt you put up: [quote]Hawker has no vote and holds no elected position in the Labor party. A real "faceless man.[/quote] Jason, Hawker's well known. Not faceless. Gillard's team has rolled out critics like Marr, Cassidy & former government ALPers...such as Hawke... LO: You say you’ve never been a creature of the factions but the factions put you there. The factions put the Rudd Gillard team together they made you the leadership team, so you owed your Prime Ministership to the factions. Isn’t it fair that he who lives by the factions dies by factions? KR: Actually Laurie that is not true. I mean for example the AWU faction which Mr Swan belongs to vigorously and viciously campaigned against my elevation to the leadership in 2006. The SDA faction, known affectionately as the ‘shoppies’ did exactly the same. Other particular unions did exactly the same. I’ve just got to say, I mean the fact that I was able to emerge as leader at that time was because of broad-based support from many, many groups within the parliamentary party, and many individuals. But I've got to say, the factional hierarchy has never been pleased with me, and that's because I've consistently refused to bend a knee to them, because I regard my responsibility as ultimately to the broader party, and to the Australian people. LO: As I said, though, it's senior ministers who are leading the charge against you, whereas on your part, it's Bruce Hawker, a lobbyist, who's out there every day leading your campaign. Isn't he the ultimate faceless man, the unelected faceless man? KR: Well, can I say on that core accusation, Laurie, I would not regard Chris Bowen as a junior minister. I don't regard Anthony Albanese as a junior minister. I don't regard Martin Ferguson as a junior minister. I don't regard the former attorney-general, and still Cabinet minister, Robert McClelland, as a junior minister. Nor would I regard Kim Carr, the hero of Australian manufacturing, as some minor afterthought in the scheme of things. The truth is that there are different views within the Cabinet. I accept that and I respect that. Just as there are different views within the Caucus. But whatever happens on Monday, we respect the Caucus's views. LO: But you're dodging the question about Bruce Hawker, aren't you? KR: Not at all. LO: Are you paying him? KR: Of course not. That is an absurd accusation, Laurie. Can I just say, many of us in politics have longstanding friends, and remain loyal. I’ve been a friend of Bruce’s for twenty years, that’s the bottom line and the fact that you’ve got other friends and supporters of other people in politics who pop up from time to time that I presume is all par for the course. I think it is quite wrong to focus on Bruce. I think you would probably agree with me Laurie that Graham Richardson is not exactly a big, big supporter of mine. He seems to have (Interview by Laurie Oakes w/ Kevin Rudd) [quote]Has someone hacked your computer?[/quote] Norman, this governments led by Gillard has & is making some stupid decisions...pushing away the aspiring middle class...rather than making the upper middle class pay their fair share...so many policies need to be tweaked (IR & tax related to small business, carbon price) or made stronger (think mining tax)... the stupid decision they made previously was knifing a sitting PM in his first-term. That's a fact. N'

nasking

26/02/2012Few mistakes above...trying to cook my wife's special brunch at same time. N'

DMW

26/02/2012Ad @ 11:33 AM, As Wikipedia records (incorrectly): ... [i]Reid jibed that the ALP was ruled by "36 faceless men"[/i] The story behind how the photographs that eventually gave rise to the "faceless men" is fascinating in itself. It is about persistence and a 'nose for the story' that seems lacking in many reporters today. The book Alan [b]"The Red Fox" Reid: Pressman Par Excellence[/b] by Ross Fitzgerald and Stephen Holt informs history well. In an edited extract that can be found here: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/red-fox-exposed-partys-faceless-men/story-e6frgczf-1225872615957 [i]Reid, powerfully aided by Paral's back-of-the-head shots of conference delegates, [b]had originally written about the "virtually unknown men"[/b] and their role at the 1963 special conference. He had posited a void, which Menzies had filled up with scary imagery. The Menzies formulation of "36 faceless men" reinforced the idea in the mind of a fearful electorate. The notion was milked for all it was worth.[/i] There is still some conjecture as to who origanly coined the phrase but it was not Reid and Menzies claim to it was refuted by at least one backbencher whose name escapes for the moment.

Ad astra

26/02/2012Hi Lyn Thank you for welcoming our new commenters. Your warmth is appreciated by us all. Did you see [i]Insiders[/i] this morning? It was all I could get, so I didn’t see the Laurie Oakes interview. I thought it was a pretty balanced program. The Nicola Roxon interview was brilliant. She is a classy professional. She not once put a foot wrong. It was interesting to see Piers Akerman not attacking Julia Gillard but instead criticizing Kevin Rudd, something he could hardly avoid since he has been making these self-same criticisms for years. No doubt, he feels vindicated. I thought the discussion was somewhat anti-Rudd and at times even a little pro-Gillard. I feel the media generally may feel that Julia has had a rough trot, not just from Kevin Rudd, but also from the media, and perhaps deserves more clear air to get her message out. I have the impression that even media insiders have not been fully aware of Rudd’s sabotage, and how difficult that has made the PM’s task. Can we hope for a better run from them? Time will tell. I thought what Nicola had to say about polls was apt: ‘they are but a snapshot and cannot predict’. Why then do journalists place such store on them? The reason I believe is not their predictive capacity, but the ease with which they lend themselves to multiple easy-to-write stories and flashy headlines. And of course they generate money for polling organizations and their usual owners, news outlets. Her interview is here: http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3439650.htm Andrew Catsaras’ analysis of aggregate polling was informative. The current average TPP is 54/46, well within Labor’s capacity to narrow and reverse in the eighteen months until the next scheduled election. All the gloom and dire predictions from the so-called pundits that Labor is certain to lose badly and be in the wilderness for a decade are not justified either on the polling figures or on the history of polling. Why do these people, like Richo for example, make such predictions? They are not stupid, so I guess it is just to grab a headline, to make a sensational story, or more cynically to damage Labor by imprinting in the mind of the electorate that Labor is doomed, invoking the bandwagon effect where everyone wants to be on the winner, not the loser. It is both illegitimate and malevolent. In my view, we in the Fifth Estate ought to use every opportunity to highlight the uselessness of polls, except of course for commercial or covert political ends! Andrew is here: http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3439649.htm The link to the whole program is here: http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/ Did you see the Oakes interview? What did you think?

nasking

26/02/2012[quote]Can you give a guarantee to the Australian people that as Australias Foreign Minister Mr Rudd, while busily undermining a duly elected democratic government, acted with this countries best interests at heart? [/quote] Ian, there is no bigger undermining of a government than to brutally knife its leader in his first-term. It led to a minority government. JUST. W/ a scumbag health union guy propping it up. Nice one. Think yerselves lucky that Abbott was Lib leader during that 10 election...if it had been Turnbull or Costello at the time it is likely Labor would once again be in the wilderness. N'

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26/02/2012Jason Many thanks for the Oakes-Rudd interview which I shall examine later.

nasking

26/02/2012[quote]I thought it was a pretty balanced program. The Nicola Roxon interview was brilliant. She is a classy professional. She not once put a foot wrong.[/quote] Ad, nothing balanced about it. My Wife & I were disgusted. It was a concerted attack on Rudd by Hawke's boy Cassidy & Roxon...w/ the gleeful assistance of Murdoch's man Ackerman... Roxon can go to the backbench as a two-faced type as far as I'm concerned. Many of the public will have seen the same. N'

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26/02/2012Nasking You find it unacceptable that I am in accord with jane’s views. Please don’t despair for those of us who support Julia Gillard and are disillusioned with someone we all admired and respected greatly – PM Rudd. We are sad it has come to this, but the scales have fallen from our eyes. We are as sad about this as you are sad that his reputation is now so tarnished. The decline of heroes is always painful. So please respect our feelings and views as we respect yours. We are all friends. What I find incredible is the belief that only Kevin Rudd can save Labor from defeat in 2013. Who says so? In a messianic message, Kevin says so, and so do his supporters. Yet incredibly all this is built on opinion polls eighteen months prior to an election and a facile popularity contest between a Kevin the public thinks it knows (the popular celebrity), and a Julia whose image has been trashed by the media, and now we find by Kevin himself. In my view it is sheer madness to mount a case on polling figures from a small and I expect disinterested sample. I wonder what the popularity figures will be after the public has absorbed all that has come out in the last week, all of which points in the same direction.

Augustus

26/02/2012 "BTW, I missing the Australian Democrats more by the day." So do I, they were my natural choice and played an important roll until Natasha, but come the 2007 election I was politically homeless there was no way I would vote Liberal. I liked what Kevin was offering, his stances and commitments, it was refreshing to see and they were genuine. I had read Latham's diatribe cunningly described as a book where he spoke of Rudd being a serial leaker, vendictive, and had an over inflated sense of his own self importance, I read it as bitter and given how Latham's credibility had all but evaporated (those who throw stones should not live in glass houses) I had discounted it, but unfortunately as his prime minstership had progressed I saw something else, there is no doubt in my mind Kevin is highly intelligent and highly committed but a poor manager with a few foibles. Unfortunately it is those foibles combined with his lack managerial skills had forced the party to select another leader, Kevin was given the opportunity to remain a valued member of the front bench in a highly respected position rather than as customary turfed off to the back bench. I do not believe at the time there was any malice, I do agree that there could have been a better way and I can understand why Kevin had felt hurt, but today looking back I do think that Kevin has brought alot of this upon himself.

nasking

26/02/2012I noticed this from Patricia whilst I was away organising my wife's b'day: [quote]Poor Rudd is dead! Poor Rudd is dead. At last Rudd is dead. Canberra's press people heave a sigh. At last the truth's been been told. He is done for, has been rolled. Cos Laurie Oakes refused to tell a lie.[/quote] Yes, I imagine that many a factional heavyweight & Gillard supporter were wishing this when poor Ruddy was knifed. I remember them saying that about Howard when he lost the Liberal leadership. Also, I noticed yesterday that Anthony Albanese supports Rudd. One of the pollies I most respect. Someone who is able to get the kind of attention necessary...and stick it to Abbott...the way Rudd does. They don't sound like they are in a custody battle for a child named Australia like Gillard & Abbott are...neither coming out on top w/ the people...yet the Coalition leads leads leads & again leads the polls. Rudd ain't dead. HE'S BACK...and he's gonna kick Abbott into the next decade. N'

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26/02/2012Nasking Thank you for your descriptive account of how your family members feel. Their views deserve our respect. I just wanted to pick up on one person you mentioned – Bruce Hawker. He has decided to throw in his lot with Kevin Rudd, but I find it a bit rich to hear him condemning the ‘faceless men’, who are actually parliamentarians, while he is doing exactly what they are – advocating for their candidate – using no less partisan language than they have. He even had the effrontery to suggest overnight that Julia Gillard shown not even contest the ballot, as she has lost the confidence of the people, presumably based on the polls, about which he is well aware of the flaws. He is hardly ‘faceless’ in reality as we see his face on every TV outlet, but he is ‘faceless’ to the extent that he is not a member of the group entitled to vote – the caucus. If Rudd loses as expected, he may find he has shot himself in the foot for other Labor contracts. I wonder how Anna Blight feels about him now.

Augustus

26/02/2012Ad Astra, You mention Bruce Hawker, I wonder just how much Hawker is pushing his own agenda by pushing Kevin Rudd as the agenda, it has been reported that during Rudd's leadership Hawker had a permanent desk in the PMO which evaporated after the chance of leader and Hawker found himself less important, I guess it begs the question has Hawker been behind Kevin Rudd challenging.

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26/02/2012Ian What a great set of questions? Will Rudd supporters give us the answers? DMW Thanks for another historical perspective on the origin of ‘the faceless men’ tag. I learn something new and interesting every day at [i]TPS[/i]. Augustus I must go back to Latham’s book. I must say that with Latham’s reputation I did not give much credence to his remarks about Rudd. Maybe there was some truth in them. Folks I’d love to keep on responding to your comments, but I really need to get on the road back to the south coast, so I’ll say goodbye until this evening.

nasking

26/02/2012[quote] The decline of heroes is always painful. So please respect our feelings and views as we respect yours. We are all friends.[/quote] Ad, I see no decline. Just an ascent. I shall always respect you...and the wonderful Lyn...and others on here, they know who they are. But I believe strongly in my heart that some on here are so intensely biased that they are willing to stomp on the likes of me and other critics...and what kind of society does that lead to? It's what we feared from the Howardistas....the Murdoch empire. It does feel like a pile-on...more so after I took a break for my wife's b'day yesterday & Fri eve... I am convinced that Julia Gillard as PM will lead the ALP into the wilderness...the perception out there w/ the public in QLD is not good. You need QLD. Rural voters. More Christian voters. many others that Gillard will not get. Now, if Gillard wins the ballot, I will take a break for awhile. I'm so disgusted w/ that team & their supporters and the memory of the knifing so VIVID I will not be able to contribute for some time. I'm sure some on here will be relieved. If I return after a Gillard win, after a break to reflect & heal the wounds...it will be to go after an Abbott-led govt...I will not go out of my way to support a Gillard-led one. Tho, I will support policies if I think them right...well put together...not undermining the middle class. But rather making the upper middle class & some rich corporate fascists pay their fair share. It's tragic watching a party disintegrate like this...but I guess it was to be expected...when politicians act like mini-Stalinist commies in the night. Good luck Ad. Yer a fine poster...and persuasive. But you haven't persuaded me I'm afraid...I know a Titanic when I see it. Captain Gillard just ain't got what it takes. N'

Sandy

26/02/2012Nasking 1.01pm and 1.04pm today I agree with and second everything that Nasking has said. I too am shocked and dismayed at the attacks displayed here on TPS. Yuck!!!! Yes Nasking, sad days indeed.

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26/02/2012Nasking One last comment before getting on the road. Thank you for your generous comments, which I appreciate. I’m not really trying to persuade you to my view – I’m just expressing my views, as you have, for others to consider. I am not in possession of absolute truth. We are friends here, and you are one of our close friends. So whatever the result tomorrow, let’s keep talking, calmly and respectfully. There is no need for you to take a break, unless that is what you want.

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26/02/2012Sandy You too are a part of our family. We may have different views, but let's tolerate that difference as sound families should.

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Ad I was just going to call out to you "Hey Wait for me". Yes I did watch the Laurie Oakes interview, with glued to the screen eyes. I noticed Laurie's one omission, no mention of any leaks, isn't that what Laurie survives on. Laurie's reports are over-rated his best days are long behind him. I do think though there is a feel for Rudd and it comes across in Laurie's approach. The interview was very bland, Kevin Rudd had a long rope, there was little or no encouragement for Julia . The Insiders were Ok, but seeing Piers always upsets me. This morning I thought, to submit my resignation to the Insiders telling them, because of their lounge sitters, I therefore resile from any further analysis of their performance. There, they will be sorry about that. Wouldn't you honestly think on the eve of tomorrow's vote (Historical) they could have found someone more reputable than Piers Ackerman. [i] anti-Rudd and at times even a little pro-Gillard[/i] I agree with you Ad a ittle pro-Gillard perhaps. [i]Andrew Catsaras’ analysis of aggregate polling was informative[/i]., I congratulated Andrew on Twitter . Good news Andrew is going to analyse all the polls once a month. Cheers Ad have a peaceful trip back to the coast. :):):):):)

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26/02/2012Hi Lyn There are so many comments, that somehow I missed yours. Thank you again for your kind remarks and the additional information you supplied, some of which I will digest more fully when I get back to the south coast later today. janice I somehow I missed your comments too. Thank you for your frank assessment. There will be many who will agree with your opinion of Kevin Rudd’s behaviour, and of course some who will disagree violently. As supporters of Kevin Rudd, I’m sure it is as distressing to you as it is to me to digest what has transpired over the last year. Unless anyone thinks otherwise, we take no joy in his fall from grace. It is tragic. So much was promised. I must get on the road now; it’s getting late.

Kate

26/02/2012Nasking and Sandy you aren't alone in despairing at the personal attacks against Kevin Rudd. I had hope that Anthony Albanese's genuine statement yesterday would encourage some people to temper their more outrageous accusations. It seems it is not to be the case. Instead we see his supporters vilified along with him. The comments on Maxine McKew are just nasty. Why is it that many respected commentators and politicians who support him are now reviled and yet those commentators we have rightly mocked in the past as hopelessly dishonest and biased against Labor are now held up as paragons of honesty? To describe it as "scales falling from the eyes" doesn't cut it for me. Is Albo then blind? And there are many others that like and respect Rudd. Are they all terrible judges of character? It seems to me that the vindictiveness has taken on a life of its own: we are seeing a "lynch mob" mentality. Given these comments you may be surprised that I hope Julia gets up. Although I feel she and Rudd have engaged in MAD my priority is for the Government to run its full course and this is more likely with Julia at the helm, due to the Indies preferences. I'm being pragmatic therefore. But my emotions are raw and I despair that so many Labor supporters have turned with such venom on the man who achieved so much. His achievements are now dismissed. Albo validated my feelings and I thank him for it. Nasking and one or two others make me feel less alone. I thank them all. Lastly, where is the surprise that 'Insiders' was pro Julia. Having torn her down with the intention of hurting Labor's standing, Cassidy would hardly give a fair go to a man that could improve that standing. Make no mistake, he and his ilk want Labor to lose the nest election and will do all they can to achieve it. I feel its a little naive to see it as his scales having fallen. Once she is confirmed as Prime Minister he will begin the attack anew.

Sir Ian Crisp

26/02/2012[quote]In search of the political Holy Grail – the Rudd Government narrative Sunday, 14 September 2008 12:09 by Ad astra What follows is derived not from detailed research, but purely from memory of what we’ve all heard from Rudd and his ministers time and again. Some of the dot points that would characterize the Rudd Labor Government would be: - Economic conservatism - Fiscally responsible management that ensures large budget surpluses and reduced Government spending to reverse the inflationary trends evident through 2007 and the consequence, rising interest rates - Long term planning and nation building to maintain Australia’s prosperity, competitiveness and growth via restoring infrastructure, skills training, and high speed broadband - Supporting manufacturing while reducing protective tariffs; encouraging research and innovation; high employment - Evidence-based approach to ideas/projects that involves reviews/assessments and expert advice - An education revolution from pre-school through technical studies in high schools, TAFE and university - Performance indicators to monitor teachers and student outcomes - Reform: workplace reform; reform of Commonwealth-State relations to coordinate efforts in health, water, transport; a seamless economy that harmonizes regulation across States; and reform of the taxation system, reform of welfare support and the transfer system - Tax relief and measures to assist in balancing the household budget and in supporting small business - Social justice and a fair go for all, especially the socially disadvantaged - Determination to ensure a sustainable environment - Action on climate change that is effective yet not too burdensome on individuals, and small and large business - Improvement of the lot of indigenous people and closing the life expectancy gap - An improved health care system that meets community needs - Action on water and the Murray Darling basin - Using immigrant workers to cover labour shortages, and employing indigenous people gainfully - Middle power international diplomacy; promotion of regional alliances; strengthening of defence capabilities - Keeping election promises If the above were to be included in a cohesive political narrative, it might read: The Rudd Labor Government is dedicated to economic conservatism and fiscally responsible management that ensures large budget surpluses and lower Government spending to reverse the inflationary trends evident through 2007 and their consequence, rising interest rates. Already rates have begun to fall, but the road to recovery will be long. Long term planning is necessary for nation building, economic prosperity, competitiveness and growth. The Rudd Government is committed to an evidence-based approach to planning that relies on reviews of the available information, tapping into the know-how of experts, and community consultation. Thoughtful preparation is the first step towards worthy outcomes. The Rudd Government will not be rushed when so much is at stake – getting it right from the outset is the object. The Government is determined to restore depreciated infrastructure via the Building Australia Fund, to reinforce skills training to increase workforce participation, and to install high speed broadband to augment learning, training and business activity. The Government is unwavering in its support for manufacturing in this country while steadily reducing protective tariffs. Its object is high employment. The Rudd Government is a reforming Government. Workplace reform was one of its earliest actions; this is ongoing at a pace that allows for steady adjustment to the new order. Reform of Commonwealth-State relations to coordinate efforts in health, water management, transport; and a seamless economy that harmonizes regulation across States, are among the most important reforms in train. Comprehensive tax reform will be based on the Henry review and will include reform of welfare support, particularly for pensioners, carers, and those on fixed incomes, who are the ones suffering most in today’s economic climate. The Government is committed to a universal health care system that provides care where and to whom it is needed at a price the individual and the community can afford. A new level of coordination across the Commonwealth and the States will ensure this occurs. In pursuit of social justice and a fair go for all, especially the socially disadvantaged, the Government supports tax relief and measures to assist in balancing the household budget and supporting small business. We believe that a socially responsible Government looks after those who need support, and assists those who are seeking work to achieve gainful employment. The Rudd Government is committed to a sustainable environment and to this end ratified the Kyoto protocol as its first act. It accepts the reality of climate change and mankind’s contribution to it, and is determined to contribute meaningfully to carbon emissions control via a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. This is being developed following the Garnaut Report and the Green Paper with wide consultation with business and the community, and Treasury modeling. There will be a cost. But the burden will be reduced by compensation so that households and businesses will not be unfairly affected. Innovative research towards renewable energy will be strongly supported. Water reform is a key aim and in particular restoring the Murray-Darling system to a healthy state. The water agreement with the States, the Murray Darling Commission and the water buy-back scheme will ensure that despite the worst drought in living memory this vital waterway will be restored as fast as is feasible. The Government is determined to improve the lot of indigenous people. The ‘Apology’ was just the beginning of a concerted push towards better health, closing the 17 year life-expectancy gap, and improving living conditions, education, housing and employment. Assisting indigenous people achieve the standard of living of other Australians is a core aim. To overcome chronic labour shortages in the agricultural sector the Government is introducing an immigrant worker scheme, which will have the added effect of aiding Pacific Island nations. Indigenous people will also be gainfully employed. Immigration will continue to be a major policy thrust. Australia has an important role to play in middle power diplomacy. It will promote regional alliances and play its role in international affairs. In line with regional and global requirements, it will extend its defence capabilities, particularly its maritime strength. Finally, the Rudd Government is determined to keep its election promises, so that the Australian people can rely on the sincerity and strength of purpose of this Government. Our commitment is to good government for all the people, sound decision making and an ambitious program of enrichment of Australian society and its economic strength and cohesion, while caring for those who need the support of this our compassionate nation. So there it is. Although the words scarcely lend themselves to soaring oratory, they do have the potential to catch attention and engender assent. There’s nothing there that we haven’t heard before. It’s just an aggregation of announcements that have been made by the Rudd Government since its election. Is this the narrative columnists are so eagerly seeking, or something like it? Maybe we’ve all heard the narrative over and again without realizing it. But maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree; if so, please put me right. Please add your comments. Is it what you would expect of the Rudd narrative? Is it too long? Has something important been left out? Has the exercise been worth the effort? [/quote] After that appeared in The Political Sword I thought only two actions would follow. The first action was to bother His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI and tell him we had another Australian Saint on our hands. The Pope would have been thinking to himself...first Mary Mackillop, she was acceptable but then they nominated a chap by the name of Hawke....what a brave but unsuccessful battle he had with ebriosity and who can forget his succumbing to life’s carnal vices....then they tossed up the name Keating and the dogs started to bark....now they toss in a fellow by the name of Rudd....rhymes with dud....what is his hamartia? Failing that I thought you would file papers to officially adopt K Rudd. You even mentioned that you would be proud to have K Rudd as your brother. Now, after telling us how bad he is I guess if he was your brother you would change the locks to keep him out of the house. I was right back in 2008 when I told you Rudd was a professional idiot and I'm right now: the bird of paradox heads up an ALP camarilla of scheming shakedown artists.

Ian

26/02/2012[ there is no bigger undermining of a government than to [quote]brutally knife its leader in his first-term.][quote] [/quote[/quote]] I disagree What has become abundantly clear over the last few days is the hubristic, self absorbed mindset of Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister. That policy decisions appear not to have been made because they may not have gone down too well on trashy current affairs programs just beggars belief. Senior Ministers waiting like schoolchildren to see the headmaster? The main function of Government, to administer, becoming moribund? It appears it was a disgraceful egocentric driven shambles. There is no bigger undermining of the trust of the Australian people than that. Should this have continued, this breakdown of sound governance, for the pursuit of the accolades designed only to soothe the fragile egos of the truly weak, the knives would have been planted, by stealth, cunning and malice in the backs of the Australian citizens. The hard, admittedly brutal and fast decision taken was the correct one. History will prove it to be so. You may wish to consider the following; It is no surprise that corporate Australia want Kevin Rudd back in the chair.....they have his measure....in spades. Julia Gillard has theirs.....in spades.

NormanK

26/02/2012nasking Let me try to walk you down the path that I have travelled over the last 18 months or more. I was a huge supporter of Kevin 07 going back as far as his prosecution of the AWB scandal. I liked the man and far more importantly I liked the 'idea' of Kevin. Not aligned with any particular faction; taking back control of Cabinet appointments; willing to give jobs to ex-MPs from the Coalition; didn't sweep a new broom through the public service upper echelons; the 'Sorry' speech; ETS rhetoric; pension increase; RSPT - the list is fairly long. During the early stages of the GFC I took to calling him 'My Mate Kevin' when discussing him in this household. I defended every part of the stimulus packages and still do. When stories emerged about causing a flight attendant to cry and hair-dryers and swearing at parliamentary colleagues I was in there defending him against what I saw as a campaign of destabilisation coming from some sections of the press. "Not Our Kevin", I said. When David Marr published his Monthly Essay about Rudd being driven by anger I said "Not My Mate Kevin". I was surprised and disappointed by the postponement of the ETS and the temporary halt on some asylum seeker applications. A few other things left me scratching my head but the 'idea' of Kevin was too strong to relinquish in the face of a bit of gossip and some policy decisions that I perhaps didn't fully understand. When the leadership spill occurred I was extremely angry since it seemed to have been prompted by his fall in the polls and I have nothing but disdain for opinion polls. I didn't see it as a knifing though (an expression which I wish you would desist in using) because it was not a couple of factions narrowly defeating another couple of factions. The numbers against Rudd were so overwhelming that he didn't even contest the ballot. That tells me that his colleagues did not want him as their leader - full stop. I was also pleased and proud of Rudd for not declaring his seat vacant at the next election. Over time it became apparent that opinion polls were not the driving force for the leadership challenge but I was left to wonder to myself just what it was that could have prompted such a drastic action. The only answer that I have been able to give myself for 12 months or more is that there must have been some huge policy stoush (perhaps asylum seekers) but even that did not seem to adequately explain what happened. Move on to the 2010 election where Labor were sitting on 52/48 and, although bland, the election campaign was rolling along reasonably well. Even when Oakes' bombshell landed and derailed the campaign for Labor I was still saying "Not My Mate Kevin - he would never destabilise his own party. Perhaps someone from his camp but not Kevin". However, Rudd didn't call his supporters and demand an end to the leaks, instead they came out at regular intervals with the end result being a hung parliament instead of a modest win to Labor. From then on I began to lose faith in My Mate Kevin. Whispers of undermining were in the press week after week and although even then I didn't point to Kevin, I did wonder why it was that he was not calling on his colleagues to give up the practice. Why too was he not willing to use his popularity to the benefit of the party? He could have been out selling policy achievements, talking Labor up and hacking Abbott down but he wasn't. He kept his profile high but didn't show any passion in defence of Labor achievements or in his attacks on Abbott. He went on Q&A and sowed the seeds of doubt about Gillard's on-going support for a price on carbon. He undermined her by skating very close to the edge of disclosing Cabinet discussions. During that episode there were several times when Rudd drifted into a pensive mode with a sad look on his face and then seemed to wake up and realise where he was. He didn't re-arrange his face to a more neutral expression but instead turned on the 'do you want an ice-cream' Kevin beam. He is an actor. A very very good actor playing a role that continues to fool large sections of the population. For the last 4 months Rudd has had countless opportunities to declare (truthfully or otherwise) that the PM had his full support and that he had no intention of challenging. Instead he played silly buggers with non-answers and allowed leadership speculation to hang around the neck of the government like a millstone. Again, if his motives were honourable he would have reined in his supporters and instructed them to desist from the destabilisation of the government. He did not. Instead he resigned in the middle of the night from the other side of the planet without the good manners to ring his boss first but conveniently timed it to dominate domestic news bulletins. If there is a line to be drawn between supporting Rudd and not doing so, for me, that line was at the edge of a cliff. I was on a steady slide towards the line so that he went from My Mate Kevin to just plain Kevin. In the last several days when the line got crossed my opinion of him has been in free-fall. The Mendoza interview was telling. Although he may have his own motives in criticising Rudd, it must be noted that he is a passionate lobbyist for mental health care reform. He was in the choice position of having the Minister's ear and the ear of the Prime Minister. He resigned that choice position because he felt that Rudd was only paying lip-service to significant reform and was using him (Mendoza) in a media game. Mendoza describes Rudd's administration in terms that have been used before and since. Autocratic, chaotic, driven by the media cycle etc. James Button has written a damning article from an insiders point of view. He is the son of a Labor legend. He worked as a speech-writer for the Labor government, not a position that you are offered or that you accept if you belong to the conservative side of politics. That article lays bare all of Rudd's shortcomings. Kate Ellis has gone public with a story of Rudd bad-mouthing the PM in public. She has since been joined by others who were there and are willing to attest to the veracity of the story. Kevin Rudd has now broken Cabinet confidentiality by speaking of events surrounding the postponement of the ETS. He has also spoken publicly of the events of the evening of his resignation, revealing details of conversations which would have been undertaken on the understanding that they were private and would remain so. It has been revealed that a Senator who supports Rudd was in discussions with Clubs Australia offering to kill-off mandatory pre-commitment. In order to not believe the criticisms that are being directed at Rudd you would have to believe that Simon Crean, Nicola Roxon, Wayne Swan, Stephen Conroy, Tanya Plibersek, Professor Mendoza, James Button and many more are lying in order to promote some other agenda. Yes, some of us here (particularly myself) are being distinctly hypocritical when we now cite journalists and commentators who we have previously reviled. That is because in this instance we were wrong, wrong, wrong in dismissing what they were trying to tell us. I deliberately used the expression 'cuckolded husband' above because it was the nearest I could find to describe how I feel. The entire facade that is 'Kevin' is completely fake and I am not best pleased to have been betrayed and duped in this way for so very long. It might not be fair but like a betrayed lover, I am now calling into question just about every single thing Kevin Rudd has ever said or done. Did he do it for me and people like me or did he do it to advance his career? Although it might be fair to say that I am pro-Gillard, over the last 3 to 4 days my predominant sentiment has been anti-Rudd. May I never hear his name or see his face again after tomorrow.

nasking

26/02/2012Cheers Sandy & Kate...I'm absolutely astonished by the venomous attacks on Ruddy and it confirms my suspicions that there were highly influential characters in the Labor party who were planning the end of his leadership for a good long time and sabotaging his government...using certain Murdoch, ABC & other media sources to build up a campaign against his leadership and damage him in the polls. [quote]Why is it that many respected commentators and politicians who support him are now reviled and yet those commentators we have rightly mocked in the past as hopelessly dishonest and biased against Labor are now held up as paragons of honesty? To describe it as "scales falling from the eyes" doesn't cut it for me. Is Albo then blind? And there are many others that like and respect Rudd. Are they all terrible judges of character? It seems to me that the vindictiveness has taken on a life of its own: we are seeing a "lynch mob" mentality.[/quote] Exactly Kate. When people I respect...and those who I saw as devious, ambitious knifers...come together and start promoting the criticisms of Rudd by the likes of Murdoch's Samantha Maiden, money hungry Richo, Murdoch's Ackerman, the sh*t stirring Barrie Cassidy, that sellout Latham... well, that to me is desperation gone mad. And a win at all costs approach that comes across more like something Abbott, Joyce & the One Nation-like Coalition types would do. My respect for Ruddy & Turnbull has gone up immensely. When I saw Peter Garrett on SKY Agenda permitting The Australian's Dennis Shanahan & other Murdochites to question him on the role of Rudd re: roof insulation scheme... whilst simultaneously someone deposited roof insulation material at the front of Ruddy's home...it prompted me to say: [quote]If I was a card carrying member of the ALP I'd rip it up now & send it to bloody Sussex st...or Gillard's office.[/quote] It's one of the saddest days of my life. When I see/hear Gillard LIE about the carbon price...then bring it in...after she & Swan had threatened & cajoled Rudd to dispose of it for a ridiculous option of waiting for Abbott to come onside bi-partisan-wise... and I see/hear her LIE about East Timor... and LIE about the fact she cares about people w/ disabilities when she goes and takes away the Dependent Spouse Rebate from many who fall thru the cracks... and LIE about gay marriage (as tho she doesn't support it...what a joke!!!...just political BS)...I do by the way...full-bore... and LIE about the Aboriginal tent embassy fiasco...when the media advisor came from her office...willing to put at risk Aboriginal reconcilliation & the referendum to add the Aborigines to the Constitution pre-amble... and LIE to the honorable Andrew Wilkie who bravely fought alongside of those of us trying to bring HONESTY & REAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING into that other FIASCO the Iraq War...and the kowtowing by Howard & his bunch to GW Bush...after they had looked the other way as AWB supplied many millions to the Saddam regime which could be used to help weaponise and be used against our own troops... and LIE about the mining tax being so good for the people...it's a bloody joke...Rudd was going for the big dosh & self-interested unionists & ALPers in a horrible alliance w/ big miners stabbed Ruddy in the back... w/ all these opportunistic LIES...and the grotesque alliance w/ some in the bad media...and the gross, desperate attacks on Rudd...the man who helped get Labor outa the wilderness... how on earth do some on here believe I could support the Gillard team? The polls aren't the half of it. Ya think many people don't see the same as me? They're not as gullible as some in the present government think. N'

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012 Jason Obelix Thank you for the menhir mein herr. Off the transcript I thought Laurie Oakes' questions were quite good but he let Rudd rabbit on a bit. Ian That is a great set of questions you ask. I wonder what [i]Nasking's[/i] answer sheet would say! :) See 'e sez ter me 'e sez, [i]TT, some of the comments on here are the grubbiest I've seen in years. This is our former PM yer talking about...the individual who helped bring down Howard after 11+ long years. Are you nuts? [/i] [ :) ] (Dam, sprung!) So I sez ter 'im I sez, Well stone th' Crows Sport, If yer talkin about [i]moi[/i] (I sez, real cool like see) Well by Dog Mister Grizzly you do me proud, because just about everyone here, except the odd known illwillian and the shocked dismayed and yuck!!!!ed off Sandy, reckon that 'Rudd' and 'grubby' are a pretty good fit! I remind you Nasking that a week ago I still could hardly believe the journos - who did have it right after all! - that Rudd has been at the bottom (yeah very sludge bottom) of the leaks and white-anting of the Government, that he was doing so in 2010, and nearly oh so nearly cost Labor Government. Now I have no choice but to believe all that and more, and neither have you, nor Sandy. He's a Rat. King Rat in fact eh. Let me remind you (or has it never crossed your mind?) that there are many ordinary citizens today who were and/or would have been again Labor Members of the House of Representatives but are not because of the white-anting and leaking actions of this man you think so delightful. David Marr had it right years ago, I failed to believe him, Rudd will go down as the greatest [i]narcissist[/i] Australia has ever seen. He has put his self-importance beyond that of his Party or the People. If we had a proper majority (which we have not [i]because[/i] of Rudd!!!) he'd get disendorsed and expelled from the Party if I had my way. In wartime, as some have said, he'd be shot as a traitor and spy. Nuts am I. So's Ad then, Nasking and lots of others, very few True Believers to keep you company. And you keep threatening to [i]*spit it*[/i], well then either do or don't. I'm sick of trying to talk reason to you, and I suspect many others feel likewise, so since you called me out, I'm happy, well sad really, to oblige, with what I think ought to be sufficient to act as an expectorant. I don't mean to insult you but you are being just ridiculous. Shame. You have rejected everyone's friendly notes, everyone in the media is suddenly against you, you have been runnning around like a dinggy two bob watch hand on steroids, from one half-day wonder of a leader to another to another, and another and then others and now you're back to Rudd as the darling of your heart. Yeah well pardon me, I've been a *J*U*L*I*A* bloke fron the first. To me you seem to be very much in the termite mound yourself now. So if you do extermine yourself, as you offer, (or was that [i]threaten?[/i] :) ) well, boo hoo, Poor Petal. Anyway [i]Sensible [/i]People, there's no point ignoring the Elefaunt in the House: It is this: [i]Rudd does and will have the power to bring down the Government. [/i] Has anybody else used their speculum on him about that? Because if you heard it first from TT I must be having a delayed-action nightmare, and it can't be true because obviously others would have been talking about it everywhere, days ago, there must be something wrong with my thinking . . . I hope . . . surely? Or [i]is everybody too agahast at the possibility to mention it?[/i] FFS TELL ME! What if . . ? . . Ah but he wouldn't do that anyway would he. After all he's a worshipful Christian, eh Nas!

Kate

26/02/2012I wonder how many contributors to this blog will look back in weeks to come and regret some of the more unpleasant contributions? Political Sword in the past has been the most pleasant place to be because it avoided the personal attacks on each other. Even Crisp was more spooflike than to be taken seriously. Now we witness 'friends' turning on each other. We know in our personal life that its easier to wound than to heal. I would ask that people have some awareness of the power of words to damage. Argue your case strongly but try to avoid viciousness please.

Jason

26/02/2012Nasking, Sit back and read every word of NormanK's post! I think it sums it up for most people, well at least me! I get you like and want Rudd, yet this ballot isn't even along factional lines it's a free vote and and it seems they that can vote unlike (Hawker) don't want Kevin. I've witnessed a slick production over the last few days but it takes more than "rent a crowd" and weekend poll numbers to convince me he's the man.

Gravel

26/02/2012Ad Astra Your post is very apt for the moment. I applaud and agree with most of what you have to say. I, like most here, were in rapture about Kevin when he came along. It was a wonderful and uplifting time. The change over from Kevin to Julia did cause some confusion, but as I held Julia in high regard, was pleased to see that she has lived up to what I had expected of her, and more than I could have wished for. Having Kevin as the Foreign Minister was the most suitable and apt appointment. I was impressed with his work, and laughed when the Nopposition and media tried the '747' jokes again, they fell flat because every one knows that a Foreign Affairs Minister has to travel to foreign lands. What has gutted me is the backgrounding and undermining of Julia that Kevin has been doing, for at least 12 months. I feel totally betrayed by him. I can only hold him in contempt. I would like to think that after tomorrow he will do the right thing by Labor and act in the ALP's interest. As for Julia not being able to win the 2013 election, could somebody pass me the crystal ball they are all using that shows that will be the case. From the little bit of 'polling' I have seen, Labor voters are 50/50 split between Julia and Kevin. It is the LNP voters that are preferencing Kevin, and I don't get that people think the LNP voters will vote for Kevin ever. Just as I would prefer anyone but Abbott in the LNP, but I wouldn't vote for them in a pink fit.

nasking

26/02/2012Jason & others, I want you to think deeply about the consequences of Rudd losing tomorrow...the pollie w/ the polls on his side...supported by Anna Bligh here in QLD. There are a significant amount of voters supporting/defending Rudd who have come from generally right-wing families...or right-wing Labor families... they are people who found the Left at university... and/or recognised the fair-go benefits of affordable education, healthcare/Medicare, childcare etc... and lost more and more trust in the right-wing as they moved to the extreme war-mongering, extreme business kowtowing, One-Nation-like approach to asylum seekers/refugees...and because of the sense that many Coalition didn't give a stuff about the environment...and were willing to cater to extreme nationalist xenophobes. And let religious cults & extremists flourish. As we've seen w/ Tony Abbott and his sucking up to Barnaby Joyce & the Tea Party-like extremists that shouted about the ETS/carbon price...abused Albanese etc. Now, if Rudd loses tomorrow...the repercussions for both Federal & State Labor will be enormous. Furthermore, many like my wife's brother will reluctantly vote Liberal again in disgust. Many more will move if Turnbull takes over the Libs again. Other centrists will quit the party...some will try to form another party...others will vote Independent...putting the ALP last...some may decide to vote...or put Greens 1 and put 2, 2, 2 etc. for the rest of the parties. This would be a disaster for the party. The Libs would rule supreme. For many years. Dominating the States as well. They will go for a double dissolution...the media usual suspects carpet bombing The Greens in the Senate... before you know it the Lib PM will have the States and a mostly friendly Senate. A few years later...the [i]cutting of Labor's debt austerity plan[/i] (called something more palatable by the Libs) will see the winding back of much we've achieved. You only need to look at my [b]comment at February 26. 2012 05:09 PM[/b] to get an idea of what Abbott, Sinodinos, Reith, Howard, Textor, the other OLD GUARD LIBERALS on SKY & ABC, much of the Murdoch empire, Alan Jones & the other shock jocks, Channel Nine, the odd ABC reporter/host, Pyne, Bishops (both)...the list goes on... will THROW at Gillard's government the next year to damage her fatally...and win the next election. Yes, there are positives...there is a good story to tell...but there are plenty of policies that need to be tweaked. And Gillard is NOT TRUSTED. If Rudd can get in...move a few off the frontbenches...bring others in...keep as calm as he has the past few honorable weeks...tweak policies to make the carbon price, taxes & IR laws & means-testing of private healthcare rebates related to small business & middle class more palatable/useful...(helping business afford rental of property would also help) and sharpen up the NBN, make it more affordable for government...and make the mining tax slightly more fairer...the media/online world a bit more fairer and diverse...and promote Aboriginal ownership & investment in business...and pushing fullbore our movie/music industry...and dentalcare programs...and listening to Carr on the car industry support, including Green car scheme... we would leave the Coalition little room to move... N'

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Ad and Everybody You may be interested :- abc730abc730 There's an ABCTV [b]special at 7.30 tonight [/b]on the ALP #respill & abc730's CUhlmann chats w Craig Emerson & Robert McClelland as pt of it... [i]Labor Leadership Showdown[/i] Join ABC News 24 for continuous coverage of the ALP leadership ballot between Julia Gillard & Kevin Rudd [b]from 5am AEDT tomorrow including key simulcasts on ABC1 [/b] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD0qeZgpHec&feature=uploademail

nasking

26/02/2012Thnx for the info Lyn. Brill job per usual. N'

DMW

26/02/2012nasking, following your comments over the last few days has been intriguing and I can understand some of why you believe what you do just as I understand to a degree why Albo has chosen to go the way he has. You asked people here to consider and think deeply about the consequences of Rudd losing. Equally I ask you to read the Jack Waterford article I linked to above and consider deeply his last paragraph: [i]I don't think that Gillard can kill Rudd, and, in that sense, I expect that she is doomed in the long run. But when, 20 years hence, we contemplate the senseless waste of a perfectly good and able politician in 2012, it will probably be Gillard we are thinking of, not Rudd.[/i] http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/mills-of-rudd-grind-gillard-away-20120224-1trur.html Wiser and more astute readers of politics than me, such as Waterford, are as amazed as you are at the tactics being used and are shaking their heads. It seems though many wiser minds have concluded that reinstating Mr Rudd may be one disaster too many.

NormanK

26/02/2012nasking You are avoiding the point we are trying to make to you. Many of us, rusted on Labor supporters and former members of the Rudd Fan Club, don't trust him as far as we could throw him. He is a liar, a coward and a traitor. You have offered up nothing that refutes the allegations made against him. So what if he is popular ..... now? All of this ammunition that has been rolled out over the last couple of days would be aimed squarely at him were he to become PM. Evidence provided by many people other than his fellow MPs. Like others, I am curious to know where you purchased your crystal ball that predicts a loss at the next election. Which, incidentally, is as much as 18 months away. A lot can happen in 18 months.

Tom of Melbourne

26/02/2012To all those critical of Rudd, remember - s Gough Whitlam once observed, “only the impotent are pure”

nasking

26/02/2012DMW, I read that piece and disagree that it will be Gillard talked about more than Rudd in the future. Both have had a huge impact...these years will go down in history bigtime...w/ both mentioned for their passion & various abilities...and the flaws. And if Rudd wins the ballot...and calmly, efficiently creates a generally unified front...tweaks some policies...and rivals Abbott by going out and SELLING THE GOOD STORY to the voters & small businesses on the ground...he will make history as THE COMEBACK KID. He has changed, he's listening more...he's more assertive...less moody (you can see that by the Oakes interview...imagine if you'd had yer rep trashed like he has...my gawd the man is calm & fast thinking these days...that's what comes w/ reflection, time to heal in another job - FM - and the support of a loving family. This guy is a dynamo...he evolves & adapts the more he gets hit...he's pretty well teflon...perhaps titanium man...he feels pain...but doesn't resort to the sewer insults...he's willing to admit mistakes...and finds time for his family & church...knocking away calmly the snipers' bullets...putting up an effective shield against the broadsides... if he can beat this...he can beat anything...including Abbott. How many people in the world would have the courage to calmly back from a knifing, the ridicule of so many, the great disappointments, the sense of betrayal & isolation...the ongoing insults...and try for the leadership again? Latham didn't...sadly he melted down into a bitter individual...used by some usual media suspects to damage his own party. Howard did come back from oblivion. Calmly. He took the PMship, withstood heaps of abuse & investigations, told untold lies...yet won over & over again. If we miss this opportunity w/ Rudd we miss the boat entirely. We will be stranded. Rudd has that something special. The people see it. He's adapted, evolved...changed...he has tons of experience... he's giving us everything he's got. Willing to sacrifice so much. He could be making millions now. But I truly believe he thinks he can lead the ALP to a win...banish the extremist & disliked weathervane Tony Abbott... and create a much better Australia by tweaking some policies... and demonstrating what a brilliant campaigner can really achieve. I'm not willing to throw all that away. Are you? N'

Tom of Melbourne

26/02/2012Ad Astra is wrong. Gillard has no courage, otherwise she wouldn’t have beat the retreat on the carbon tax/price before the last election. She didn’t have the courage of her convictions. She squibbed it with some half baked promises about a citizens assembly, she said “not before July 2013” she said the change “would fail if there wasn’t community consensus. She lacked courage when she made those commitments, then she lacked integrity when she broke them. They’re the main reasons she’s lost the trust of the electorate, Rudd hasn’t and this is the time for rebuilding of public confidence in the political process.

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26/02/2012Folks I’m back at the south coast, but will retire shortly to watch TV. I’ve read all your comments, so heartfelt, so sincerely put. NormanK Your comment is one all should read at it explains a lot about how many feel about Kevin Rudd, once our hero. You write with the sadness we all feel. Nasking puts his viewpoint as strongly. Some, like Kate, feel as Nasking does, upset at the tenor of comments here. What I ask is that we carefully separate comments about the political players in this saga, which we may wish to express forcefully, from comments about other bloggers and their comments. While we are entitled to challenge others’ views with counter arguments, surely we can agree to do so courteously and with regard for others’ feelings. Let’s not leave a trail of hurt feelings. There has been more than enough hurt from our politicians; let’s not hurt each other here. Sir Ian What a thorough archivist you are. But what is your point? That piece was an attempt to fashion a narrative from what Kevin Rudd has said. I believe it did that accurately. Perhaps you can understand how sad we feel now that we see that narrative unfulfilled. Perhaps your point is that you are a superior judge of character, and that we are but eager amateurs. If that is so, we shall look to you for predictions, and judge you against the unfolding of history, just as you have judged us. Gravel Thank you for your kind words, and your pertinent comments. Good night to you all.

jane

26/02/2012[quote]......even Pigs was a bit restrained toady.[/quote] I don't know TT, seems to be the right word. ToM @12.10pm, thank God! This comment now absolves me from apologising to you for my blind faith in Kevin Rudd and laying into you for all the spiteful things you have said about him in the past. janice @12.21pm, well said. You have expressed admirably the sentiments of all of us who feel betrayed by this man of straw with feet of clay and flint for a heart. Nasking @1.01pm, I fear it is you who is myopic along with some other diehards. Rudd was not a great PM; this is attested to by almost all his colleagues. And we now have MPs in the most marginal seats saying they would rather resign their seats than have Kevin Rudd as the PM. This isn't just a couple of disaffected MPs with an axe to grind because they didn't get promoted, talking here-it's dozens of senior people who say that he was was impossible to work with, that he didn't listen, that he refused to be a team player! This isn't just a case of sour grapes Like you, for a long time I refused to accept that the stories about staff who were resigning wholesale from Rudd's office were doing so because he was a dreadful boss. No, I rationalised, they've been lured away by higher salaries, anything but accept that it was the truth. But the flood gates are now open-he [b]is[/b] that spiteful, narcissistic, overbearing, vicious, bullying dictator shrieking at air hostesses and others who can't answer back. He [b]has[/b] been white-anting the government consistently since he was returned to the fold with the plum job as FM. He met with Clubs Australia to hammer out a deal to spoil pokies reform, ffs! Rudd is a Labor Rat writ large. Unlike you, I feel betrayed by his recent actions to derail the 2010 election and impose a Liars Party government on us and also by his past inaction and refusal to work with his colleagues. He came to power promising great things and failed miserably due to his own actions and his narcissism and hubris. He was sacked because of his incompetence, refusal to be a team player and mile long list of other reasons AA, TT, Lyn, janice and a host of other commenters have enunciated. What it boils down to is that he's just a sore loser who has been having a dummy spit even longer than Liealot's because the team said they wanted a new captain. Time to take off the blinkers, my friend and see the tarnished anti-hero for what he is-a very flawed individual who promised much, but delivered little. As for your fantasy that Rudd will dispatch Liealot, obviously you were asleep during the months between Liealot knifing Turnbull and Kevin Rudd's removal as PM. Rudd has no answer to Liealot, but Gillard will slice and dice the smuggler after she wins tomorrow. AA @1.58pm, hear! hear! Augustus @2.03pm, I had the same opinion of Latham, but it appears that he read Rudd correctly. Kate, @3.36pm, and weren't Maxine McKew's remarks vicious and spiteful? I have no idea why Albo and the few other MPs support Kevin Rudd, considering they must have seen the damage he was doing, and has continued to do in a devious and underhanded way, to the Labor government. It confirms to me that he is a treacherous, arrogant, narcissistic sore loser, who consistently refused to be part of the team while he was PM and still refuses to be part of a team. People get sacked from high positions constantly for a variety of reasons; two of those reasons are under performance and incompetence. Kevin Rudd did so in spades and paid the price. That he is unwilling or unable to accept that his leadership was inadequate is a flaw in [b]his[/b] character, not those who relieved him of the position for that reason. He must change and prove that he has learned the lessons, not them. SIC, yes it hurts to be duped, a feeling you must feel every time Team Liealot opens its collective gob. Nice to finally have something in common. lol NormanK, @5.07pm, brilliantly said. Your comment along with janice's and several others has expressed how betrayed and angry I am that what I thought was a knight in shining armour has turned out to be a grubby imposter with feet of clay and a heart the size of a pea. Nasking, if you're so bent out of shape the Julia hasn't followed Wilkies wish to the letter, how come you're not enraged that Saint Kevin was negotiating with Clubs Australia to get rid of mandatory pre-commitment altogether? As I said above, we're not talking a couple of disaffected MPs upset at not getting a reward, it's his cabinet colleagues, who almost to a wo/man who say they will not under any circumstances serve under his leadership. And we're not talking a couple of journos trying it on; Kevin Rudd was feeding them information calculated to lose Labor the election. No doubt done under the illusion that he would come galloping in on his white charger to save Labor from the wicked Gillard and her happy cabinet, support from Windsor and Oakeshott and 269+ pieces of legislation. Nas', you, Sandy and Kate also conveniently overlook the fact that the Independents won't support a Rudd government, so far from Saint Kevin saving the Fair labor Damsel, he would be delivering government to the creatures of Emperor Rupert, the Liars Party. Yeah! Nice one, Ruddy.

Tom of Melbourne

26/02/2012Gosh, thank you Jane. I was obviously no fan of Rudd, but at least he wasn’t so demonstrably dishonest.

2353

26/02/2012Kate said [quote]I wonder how many contributors to this blog will look back in weeks to come and regret some of the more unpleasant contributions? Political Sword in the past has been the most pleasant place to be because it avoided the personal attacks on each other. Even Crisp was more spooflike than to be taken seriously. Now we witness 'friends' turning on each other. We know in our personal life that its easier to wound than to heal. I would ask that people have some awareness of the power of words to damage. Argue your case strongly but try to avoid viciousness please. [/quote] All I can do is heartily agree. I too have been shouted down for daring to suggest a vote for other than the ALP is a valid decision - something that caused me to nearly walk away on a number of occasions in the past few months. This public bloodletting will put Labor in opposition for a decade at least. Well done to all concerned and those that are blindly supporting a particular person. You have given the "faceless men" of the LNP all the ammunition they need to cast considerable doubt on both Rudd and Gillard (as well as most of the current generation of ALP politicians). Is it a pity for Australia - certainly - and I do hope I'm wrong - but see little if any evidence to support a reelected ALP Government in 2013 at present. Hopefully when the public bloodletting finishes following the 2013 election loss (probably around 2015), the ALP will use it's time wisely to rebuild, return to the left of the political spectrum and get rid of the timeservers and rentseekers. Then and only then will the regain a core constituency from The Greens - because the votes that go there currently aren't going back to the ALP by choice - which for all intents and purposes is viewed by many as the slightly progressive part of the Liberal Party. I'd like to wish the best person all the best tomorrow, but in reality you have the person who was knifed in 2010 attempting to knife the person that knifed him, so they are equally as tarred. It makes no sense to me why this went public in the first place - kids in playgrounds behave better than this. Goodnight and may I be proven wrong - but I wouldn't bet on it.

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26/02/2012Folks WE have a thunderstorm here, so I'm closing the computer for the night.

Jason

26/02/2012Newspoll: 53-47 to Coalition http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/02/26/newspoll-53-47-to-coalition-2/

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Jason Thanks for the Newspoll results. See this :- [i]Tony Abbott will never be prime minister[/i] In your guts you know he's going backwards in the polls .... "Satisfaction with [b]Tony Abbott has fallen 5 points [/b]from 36% to 31% [and] a corresponding [5 point] rise in dissatisfaction with his performance. Tony Abbott [is] far less popular than he was 2 weeks ago" -- Newspoll CEO Martin O'Shannessy https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11656233&l=f9e10a340c&id=274330505796 Cheers:):):):)

DMW

26/02/2012nasking, [i]How many people in the world would have the courage to calmly back from a knifing, the ridicule of so many, the great disappointments, the sense of betrayal & isolation...the ongoing insults...and try for the leadership again?[/i] Out there in the 'real world' there are many who have come back from a 'knifing', there are many who have been betrayed and grown to be better people for it. If, and many believe it is a very BIG IF, Rudd has learnt something and really is a better person for it and is a fully reformed person then maybe he would deserve consideration for the comeback. There is a lot of evidence that suggests otherwise. Some can see through the 'showman' many can't. In my fifty years of reading about, observing and participating in politics I have been wrong about many things and right about only a few and I understand why you would think that I am wrong to think Mr Rudd doesn't deserve to have his comeback endorsed by the caucus. In May 1978 after a personal encounter with John W Howard I stated unequivocally that he wanted to be PM and would crawl over dead bodies to get there and god help the country if it happens and that he would take us backwards. In early 2006 I stated that if Mr Rudd was elected leader of Labor it would be a serious mistake and while he would win the election it would only end in tears. Soon after Mr Rudd became PM a couple of personal experiences caused me to reassess and think maybe I was incorrect. As a result I 'cut him some slack' and went along for the ride. I spent some considerable time out of the country in 2009 and was impressed by the coverage of Mr Rudd and his actions during the bushfires and again thought that maybe I was wrong but come October of that year the Oceanic Viking incident and the responses and questions I was asked by people from other countries caused me to believe that my original assessment was right and that Mr Rudd's Days were numbered. I was surprised about the events of June 2010 and I spoke out about the way Mr Rudd was deposed but understood fully why it had to happen. If Mr Rudd's comeback were only about his popularity then with many reservations I could agree with you. If it were only about beating Mr Abbott then I would suggest that Mr Abbott is beatable even by Julia Gillard. In my heart, my head and in my gut I know with very little doubt that to endorse Mr Rudd's comeback at this time will more than end in tears it will be an absolute disaster and could set Labor on path to complete destruction. If the destruction of the ALP is in the best interests of the nation then by all means elect Mr Rudd. I do not think the destruction of the ALP and the desroying of some very good people is in the best interests of the nation and therefore beleive Mr Rudd must be defeated tomorrow.

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012Kate said I would ask that people have some awareness of the power of words to damage. Argue your case strongly but try to avoid viciousness please. Kate the words that have done most damage are those uttered by none other than Kevin Rudd. I argue my case with all possible vigour and rigour but [i]never[/i] viciously. But with Nasking he is being utterly contrary, and I am at an end of my patience when all I/we get is non sequiturs, ill-based ridicule, and ignorance of material provided by several of us here, including most particularly Ad astra himself of course, which Nasking has said he has read and is not convinced. Anybody not convinced by the accounts provided by many of his closest colleagues (but what would they know?) will not be convinced that copulation leads to pregnancy. So why bother. (Arguing with Nasking, that is, not copulating. :) ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check Abbortt's face at QT on Thursday. My Eye of Time foresees a very grim and red face on our LOTO. And a not very happy round silvery head somewhere 300 meters back from the front bench, and 4 lightyears from the UN.

Kate

26/02/2012[Nas', you, Sandy and Kate also conveniently overlook the fact that the Independents won't support a Rudd government, so far from Saint Kevin saving the Fair labor Damsel, he would be delivering government to the creatures of Emperor Rupert, the Liars Party. Yeah! Nice one, Ruddy] Jane, if you had actually read my last post you would know that I support Julia in the ballot tomorrow for exactly the reasons you state - the Independents won't support Rudd. It may be helpful if we read what is actually said rather than what we believe someone is saying - perhaps part of the problem is that we are so focused on approving opinions that chime with our own and discrediting those that don't, we lose our powers to accurately represent what is being said. If we can't get right what is printed on the page, how can we presume to "know" what has transpired through the filter of self-interest?

jane

26/02/2012[quote]He has changed, he's listening more...he's more assertive...less moody[/quote] Evidence, Nasking. Who is he listening to? Obviously not the people who would have to work with him. Rudd may be a good campaigner, but he would also have to be a good PM. And he has to convince everybody who he has put offside that he has changed. They actually know the man, and his personality. Obviously they don't have your blind faith that the leopard has changed its spots. [quote].......but at least he wasn’t so demonstrably dishonest.[/quote] As who, ToM?

Bilko

26/02/2012AA A great article which I totally agree with, and yes I was taken back when Kevin was dumped but from a close family contact who worked with him it was indicated that he was a micro manager and hard to work with. Since then it became apparent that someone was white anting Julia, who in my humble opinion has done a fantastic job in spite of the media and the Noalition attacks. As mentioned by myself on earlier blogs Kevin went downhill when he failed to counter the industrial manslaughter charge, against Peter Garrett re deaths in the insulation exercise, by Abbort in the HOR. A suitable response along the lines that was Abbott was indirectly responsible for any deaths in hospitals in Australia during his watch as Health Minister, WOULD have shut up that line of attack quick smart, from which Abbott has never looked back. Kevin’s next sin was to apologies on insiders instead of saying the companies involved with the insulation deaths would be severely dealth with, which has happened since then but to no avail as the big lie whatever one calls it has stuck. SO in the final analysis Kevin failed to support his team and they eventually failed to support him end of story. Lets hope he fades away to the back bench and quietly rots there.

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Bilko Great to see you just now, I thought I had been missing you too. I am having a great time seeing these old Gravatars that have been hiding for a little while. How are you going? thankyou so much for your as always, interesting comment and opinion, the last you told us OH was not well, I hope everything is ok now, and you are going along fine. [i]he failed to counter the industrial manslaughter charge, against Peter Garrett re deaths in the insulation exercise, by Abbort in the HOR. [/i] I agree that was an awful turnout, industrial manslaughter Abbott said and got away with it. Poor Peter Garrett no support at all. Cheers:):):):)

Bilko

26/02/2012Hi Lyn the OH is lots better but will never be the same, as I said two broken ankles take some mending so she is reduced to a very slow walking race for this year, regarding the ballot Go Julie Go is my chant for the day

Bill

26/02/2012This is an excellent, objective, side-by-side comparison of the two. I do have to disagree on the vision thing. Kevin Rudd had a vision of a more open and inclusive Australia. The vision of Gillard's, as expressed in the article are rather cliched. Yes, education is good, but was anyone saying it isn't? What's forgotten is that part of Gillard's pitch for challenging Rudd was to wind back some of his vision. It's a fair point that the mining tax was brave as in crazy, and she made it more palatable. Credit to her for that. But she also wound back Rudd's 'big Australia' vision that spooked some people. She also accepted the opposition's "Stop the boats," cries and has attempted to wind back the more humane treatment of refugees with two failed versions of I-can't-believe-it's-not-Nauru. She stepped back from a carbon price just as Rudd did. She took a stand on it in government, only because the Greens forced her to. The stand she took on gambling reform, as forced by Wilkie, has also been wound back. Gillard is not bereft of policy vision as some would accuse, but I think policy on the run is fair criticism in some cases.

TalkTurkey

26/02/2012Bring Back Maxine My suggestion for your new blog name is Stick With *J*U*L*I*A* ! Gravatar picture should be easy . . .

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Everybody Here is a letter to Kevin from a regional voter see what you think:- [i]Dear Kevin,[/i] I’m not going to recap your past political victories or defeats here . Real though they may be, in many respects time has made them irrelevant to the present situation. Nor am I going to dwell on any perceived failings of federal government from November 2007 until now – because government has been steady under trying circumstances over those four and a bit years. What I am going to do is urge you to consider your own behaviour in either victory or defeat after next Monday. Should you lose the ballot cast by your peers, I recommend that you do not challenge for leadership again before 2015 and foreswear any private contact with journalists or political commentators until then. Should you win through on Monday and become Australian Prime Minister once more, then I strongly recommend that you find a level of personal and professional humility, tolerance, empathy and understanding which has so obviously escaped you thus far. Regards, A Regional Voter http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/

Augustus

26/02/2012Hi Lyn, That is a very powerful letter

lyn

26/02/2012Hi Bill Fantastic to see you and thankyou lots for your comment. Are you back writing again? that would be so good if you are. This article by Bill is brilliant: [i]This week's memo to Labor, Bill, Billablog[/i] Dear Canberra Press Gallery 2 - or, Haven't we heard all this before- In June 2010, I wrote this: Dear Canberra Press Gallery, Look, I know you’re bored. I know Kevin Rudd isn’t the kind of prime minister who whacks himself in the eye with a cricket ball, or confesses infidelity, or tells the opposition leader “I’m going to do you slowly,” or makes a fawning goose of himself in front of royalty, or goes out of his way to be seen cheering any kind of sporting event... So I know that’s rather boring for you, but this is the beat you chose, so could you try reporting about things that are actually happening, rather than the things you wish were happening? Having got their change of leader in 2010, the press gallery is bored again. After filling columns about Julia Gillard’s voice, hair, partner, dress sense, and even her earlobes, they’ve run out of trivia and now they want to write it so that the Gillard prime ministership was all a dream – like that season of Dallas. http://the-billablog.blogspot.com.au/

DMW

26/02/2012[i]One of the dumbest forms of criticism is to shout down an expert in one field who speaks up about something else. The actor with a political point of view, or the physicist who talks about philosophy. The theory is that people should stick to what they know and quietly sit by in all other situations. Of course, at one point, we all knew nothing. The only way you ever know anything, in fact, is to speak up about it. Outline your argument, support it, listen, revise. The byproduct of speaking up about what you don't know is that you soon know more. And maybe, just maybe, the experts learn something from you and your process. No one knows more about the way you think than you do. Applying that approach, combining your experience, taking a risk--this is what we need from you.[/i] Interesting and provocative words from Seth Godin [b]Stick to what you (don't) know[/b] http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2012/02/stick-to-what-you-dont-know.html

Bill

26/02/2012Thanks again, Lyn.

NormanK

26/02/2012DMW You constantly surprise and amaze me. The Seth Godin quote is a pearler. I knew that I had been obeying someone's instructions for all these years, I just didn't know his name was Seth. :) Thanks for the link.

DMW

27/02/2012Cheers NK, it struck such an apposite note given recent discussions it just had to be shared :) PS it also goes to prove one must be prepared to read widely

DMW

27/02/2012Interesting bit of writing from one of those often reviled and useless reporters in the Canberra Press Gallery. [b]Dogfight we had to have[/b] Katherine Murphy @SMAge/NationalTimes [i]Canberra political journalists have faced criticism in recent times for not doing enough to tell you the ''real story'' of the Rudd government, so let's not make that mistake again. I'll tell you very clearly that this morning's caucus vote is unlikely to be the end of things when it comes to the leadership of the Labor Party. But having said it, I don't intend to get lost in an unproductive cul-de-sac. What I'll do instead is consider what is next for Gillard, the likely victor of today's vote.[/i] http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/dogfight-we-had-to-have-20120226-1twdm.html

jane

27/02/2012Bilbo @10.13pm, spot on. Kate, I apologise for misreading your comment. However, I am unable to understand your blind faith in Kevin Rudd knowing what we now do. I don't think we can ignore or dismiss what his fellow MPs or the msm say about his behaviour and character. An example is hanging Peter Garrett out to dry when the coward Liealot accused him of industrial murder as Bilko pointed out in his comment. Then to add salt to the wound, Rudd demoted Garrett, thus giving tacit support to Liealot's bizarre claim. That shows the character of the man and I believe is a lesson well learned by the majority on the front and back benches. Compare that with Gillard's treatment of Craig Thomson. Frankly, I know who I'd rather have as my team leader.

Casablanca

27/02/2012Was he or wasn't he chaotic? I admit that I am getting a bit addlepated by all of the claims and counter claims and who said what when and on which blog or in which newspaper but I've just read a gem by The Australian's journalist John Lyons. The name did not ring a bell so I googled him and found that he was the paper's Middle East correspondent as recently as February 2011. Not sure what he is doing in 2012. There is a picture of Lyons at http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/world-condemns-attacks-on-journalists-in-egypt-as-australian-reporters-john-lyons-raided-at-hotel/story-e6frg6so-1225999998742 John Lyons wrote an article published in The Australian on June 21, 2008 (yes, that's [b]2-0-0-8[/b]) under the heading [b]'Captain Chaos and the workings of inner circle'[/b]. Just about every line in this article is a quotable quote: it is a catalogue of errors; a catalogue of the over-weening manner and ambitions of one K. Rudd. A quote from Rod Cameron in the 2008 article probably explains why colleagues did not move against Rudd earlier than June 2010. "In the suburbs and provincial towns Rudd is seen in very much a favourable light and admired, not condemned for his work ethic, his intelligence and his commitment to keeping his election promises." Also, Rudd had bagged countless browny points because he had defeated Howard and the Liberal Party was still in post election turmoil. So unsurprisingly in mid-2008 there must still have been hope that things in and around Rudd were not quite as bad as they seemed and that the Ministry could make up for his deficiencies. Read [b]'Captain Chaos and the workings of inner circle'[/b] at http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/inner-circle/story-e6frg6z6-1111116693707 A must read article is one by none other than Nikki Savva. [i]'It is rare to hear staff speak so disparagingly of a leader, even privately. They respect them too much or fear them too much, or are too devoted to the wider cause. Then again, it is rare to have a leader who behaves so badly with staff and those who serve and protect him.'[/i] Rudd revenge on ALP agenda. Niki Savva The Australian. April 27, 2010 12:00AM http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/rudd-revenge-on-alp-agenda/story-e6frg6zo-1225858519372 ps Thanks to Simon commenting at Politically Homeless for the above references.

nasking

27/02/2012This one is for jane, TT, Norman & all the other lovely critics: yep, I'm disgusted w/ the alliance of Gillard supporters, Murdochites & some ABC types like Barrie Cassidy…find it pretty sickening actually. But I should be used to it. It was the same grotesque alliance that knifed a sitting PM in his first-term who beat John Winston Howard, even in his own seat… who had the decency to say SORRY to the Aborigines who injected bigtime funding into public schools & small Independent schools for the first time in yonks who gave lifeblood to the hospital & organ donor systems who saved many an Australian job & business from the tsunami that was the GFC…remembering that many a roof insulation company did very well out of the stimulus…as did home owners…and individuals who got cash…and the kids who never have to stand in the sun again during parade…many who have beaut science labs & libraries now… who funded heaps of infrastructure projects across this country NEGLECTED by John Howard’s Coalition…including the QLD Tugan Bypass… who put in place the beginnings of the NBN…one of the most imaginative & daring communication & infrastructure projects in the history of this country… who planned to give small business a two% tax cut and increase superannuation for the private workers off the back of a super profits mining tax that Martin Ferguson confirmed was almost completed as a deal…until the legs were cut out from under them…leaving Australia w/ a piss weak, watered down deal… who signed us up to Kyoto Treaty…and via subsidies & schemes got solar & windpower happening bigtime in this country… who increased pensions & other subsidies for the elderly & others… who brought renewed attention to the plight of the homeless… and got an agreement w/ Malcolm Turnbull on an ETS…but didn’t have nought but a hostile senate…and Greens & the likes of me playing political strategists for diff reasons…as did Gillard & Swan apparently…and Rudd was the loser for it… (I was told by a mate whose friend is a bigtime judge that Abbott had been groomed for the leadership & was coming…so I knew Turnbull would be knifed & wily Abbott would kill the ALP over the ETS…not enuff time til that election so I called it a TURDBURGER that ETS hoping Labor would delay it until after we had disposed of Abbott & the fanatics…when Rudd’s polls dived after delaying it I felt for him…felt partially responsible…but history shows we were right, it was highly unpopular at the time because the pressure valve hadn’t been opened up…we got there in the end w/ a friendly Senate…but Rudd should not have had to pay for that decision). Rudd was also the PM who got big money out there for the Murray Darling buybacks & maintenance/renewal etc… BUT HEY! Rudd we’re told had a paralysed government…even tho he was only there 2+ years… Seems like a few pretty good accomplishments to me considering the time & the GFC pressures… but of course Aussie cynical critics are on 24 hour a day ride like the wind demand demand & demand more speed train these days… better to listen to factional heavyweights & their puppet pollies who distrust the maverick… ’cause they surely NEVER stuffup…they’re superhuman… it musta been Ruddy who made all the mistakes in that maiden voyage…and it must still be Ruddy… ’cause SCAPEGOATS are real handy when you feel downright guilty…and yer stuffing up bigtime in the polls time & time again…why not stab the maverick in another frenzied mob attack… why not join up w/ yer natural media enemies and use some of their spears to kill the scapegoat… yep, KILL THE RUDD, KILL THE PIG, OINK OINK GET RUDDY…GET HIM GET HIM GET HIM…KNOCK HIS GLASSES OFF… LET’S GO ALL LORD OF THE FLIES. But…we’re different than the other team…the bad Libs…RIGHT? N’

nasking

27/02/2012[quote]Thanks for the Newspoll results. See this :- Tony Abbott will never be prime minister In your guts you know he's going backwards in the polls .... "Satisfaction with Tony Abbott has fallen 5 points from 36% to 31% [and] a corresponding [5 point] rise in dissatisfaction with his performance. Tony Abbott [is] far less popular than he was 2 weeks ago" -- Newspoll CEO Martin O'Shannessy [/quote] Lyn, both Abbott & Gillard are falling badly...because the people are awaiting Rudd. The fact that this fight has seen the ALP go up shows that Kevin Rudd's move has got the policy message across... when Gillard couldn't all that time. The man KNOWS how to get media attention. He knows how to beat that other attention-seeker too. Abbott. Play w/ the Murdoch critics to support yer case and you play w/ fire. N'

Patricia WA

27/02/2012Thanks for those links, Casablanca. Astonishing, isn't it, that Rudd has been getting away with this for years. Was he still the same in DFAT of late? Your normal human being couldn't cope with more than one or two such episodes with another person without almost dying of shame. And does he hide that side of himself from Therese Rein? And his children? Midnight here. Goodnight before I start to read about personality disorders and don't get to sleep at all.

lyn

27/02/2012 [b]TODAYS LINKS [/b] [i]There is no “People Power”, The Piping Shrike[/i] Gillard’s tactic has been to frighten the caucus over the potential chaos if Rudd returned, that would only work because there is a sense of it already. Never mind that in doing so, http://www.pipingshrike.com/2012/02/there-is-no-people-power-2.html [i]Gillard and the Labor leadership, Andrew Elder, Politically Homeless[/i] journalists can stop pretending that they're above quoting unnamed sources, and that they have an excuse for not telling us what they knew back then: there is no reason at all why all of those http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/gillard-and-labor-leadership.html [i]The smartest person in the room, Jed Lea-Henry, Independent Australia[/i] If the caucus on Monday morning defy public opinion and do not vote for Kevin Rudd, then the question is: what are they voting for? They will be choosing a leader who has languished in the polls for over year, a leader who seems incapable of producing any sort of political traction http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/the-smartest-person-in-the-room/ [i]The PM strikes back, The Conscience Vote[/i] She needs to stay out of the mud and concentrate on her strengths – the fact that she has held a minority government together in the face of unrelenting attacks by the Coalition, pushed through a huge amount of legislation and endured opposition from some of the biggest special interest groups in the country. http://consciencevote.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/the-pm-strikes-back/ [i]A tale told by idiots, Jennifer Wilson, No Place for Sheep[/i] The level of vitriol directed at Rudd by Wayne Swan, Simon Crean and others is alarming: suppose Rudd does win tomorrow, or at later date, how are they going to work with him? Have they all forgotten why they were elected? Man up, people. http://noplaceforsheep.com/2012/02/26/a-tale-told-by-idiots/ [i]Kevin the Poll Dancer – Harnessing the Power of Political Popularity, Preston Towers, The Preston Institute[/i] it should be focusing its attacks on the Opposition’s team – how they would be terrible at delivering anything. Pyne, Hockey, Turnbull, Morrison have said absolutely mind blowingly stupid things about issues relating to their portfolios, but we hear little about that. http://prestoninstitute.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/kevinthepolldancer/ [i]Sunday morning political TV show: how Kevin and Julia fared, Zareh Ghazarian, The Conversation[/i] Clearly, the prime minister is favoured to win comfortably. While Rudd has vowed to not challenge Gillard a second time, his presence in parliament will ensure that he continues to attract interest from the media. Indeed, it’s expected that he’ll try to become leader again in the not too distant future http://theconversation.edu.au/easy-like-a-sunday-morning-political-tv-show-how-kevin-and-julia-fared-5578 [i]Rudd Declares Challenge On, Ben Eltham, New Matilda[/i] Having declared war on his own party structure, Rudd can expect total opposition from some quarters for the duration of his time in public life. For Labor’s true believers, the nightmare continues http://newmatilda.com/2012/02/24/rudd-declares-challenge [i]A Question of Language – Rudd and Gillard’s Appeals to the Party. Preston Towers, The Preston Institute[/i] It’s an ugly business. Rudd with his Four Journalists of the Ruddpocalypse, helping to break union power over the ALP, plus deliver that policy stuff Versus the Dreary School http://prestoninstitute.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/languageruddgillard/ [i]The Faceless Men (And Women) Of The Polls, Mike Seccombe, The Global Mail [/i] The polls show people would prefer Kevin Rudd over Julia Gillard as leader. But who are they polling, and would they be Labor voters anyway http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/the-faceless-men-and-women-of-the-polls/83/ [i]Bushfire Bill |Comment 2422, The Poll Bludger[/i] Labor wins buy-election narrowly. Rudd sails off to plum UN job, Gillard has numbers restored with new member. After delivering a bumper surplus, larger than expected in 2013, Gillard romps home in federal election later on in the year http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/02/25/nielsen-53-47-to-coalition-among-other-things/all-comments/#comment-1178092 [i]Theories about why there’s still anger in the community about the ALP replacing Rudd with Gillard ages ago before the last election when she won more seats than Abbott but is clearly still less legitimate than he is, Jeremy Sear, Pure Poison[/i] I do enjoy when media outlets report how “confused” and “bewildered” voters are about what’s going on, as if that’s not an incredibly damning indictment on the quality of their political reporting. http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/theories-about-why-theres-still-anger-in-the-community-about-the-alp-replacing-rudd- [i]Your say on Labor's leadership woes, Gary Kemble [/i] A day out from the Labor leadership ballot, thousands took to the #respill hashtag on Twitter to voice their opinion. Here is a selection of views. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-26/your-say-on-labor-s-leadership-woes/3853390 [i]More Gothic melodrama than soap ,Mungo Maccallum, National Times[/i] The divergence between Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard is obvious and profound. The family man versus the single woman; the committed Christian versus the convinced atheist; the outgoing redhead versus the greying introvert; the internationalist versus the localist; the dreamer versus the pragmatist. http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/more-gothic-melodrama-than-soap-20120223-1tqnk.html [i]Peta Credlin, Matthew Knott, The Power Index[/i] The “Queen of No” has her critics, but no-one questions her clout ,Such talk, of course, is extremely premature. Her aim this year is to make Abbott more prime ministerial, with offsiders such as Christopher Pyne to take on the attack dog role in parliament. http://www.thepowerindex.com.au/spinners/peta-credlin [i]Resurrection of Saint Kevin, Andrew Probyn[/i] No one does victimhood like Kevin Rudd. Forget the fact he's the bloke who calls the Prime Minister "the bitch" - or worse - behind her back, to senior figures in industry, to newspaper editors and to members of the Press Gallery. http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/andrewprobyn/post/205/comment/1 [i]THE SPEW PARADIGM: Independents squirming like pigs on market day, Nick Mack, Vex News[/i] Abbott wants their seats and a bloody big majority. Abbott possibly wants a double dissolution in the first six months of his prime ministership, if the Senate blocks key reforms. http://www.vexnews.com/2012/02/the-spew-paradigm-independents-squirming-like-pigs-on-market-day/ [i]THE SUM OF ALL SMEARS: Is Kevin Rudd actually mad or just maddening?, Vex News[/i] We don’t say he is the Doc Evatt of his generation lightly. It’s as bad an insult as we can muster. He’s unfit to hold high office. The PM made a big mistake – albeit an understandable one – by retaining him in her team. She trusted him to suck up the brutal punishment imposed by his colleagues on him for his dysfunctional leadership, http://www.vexnews.com/2012/02/the-sum-of-all-smears-is-kevin-rudd-actually-mad-or-just-maddening/ [i]Kevin Rudd has the courage to lead that Julia Gillard lacks, Michael McKinley , The Conversation[/i] Members of political parties do not have to like each other. They do have to find ways of developing and implementing sound policies. It is a fallacy that totally ignores the history of, for example, effective but divided wartime cabinets and general staffs. http://theconversation.edu.au/kevin-rudd-has-the-courage-to-lead-that-julia-gillard-lacks-5569 [i]The Leadership Challenge,Dylan Caporn,Body Politics Australia[/i] Gillard, she’ll be hoping that after Monday, there will be a period of solid leadership that allows her to get on with the job. But with Rudd watching from the backbench, and the possibility that one third of the party may not vote for her, there could be a very toxic dissatisfaction that will continue to boil under the surface http://bodypoliticaus.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/the-leadership-challenge/ [i]Exposing Rudd camp attempt to rewrite history,Dragonistas Blog[/i] I’ve written before that people lost faith in Rudd because his promise to be Howard-lite proved to be empty. Rudd created the expectation but did not deliver. While he promised to be a man of action, he proved to be a man of indecision, committees and reviews. Rudd proved to be nothing like Howard, http://dragonistasblog.com/2012/02/26/exposing-rudd-camps-attempt-to-rewrite-history/ [i]Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard Set to Win Another Round, Julia Baird, The Daily Beast[/i] I have often wondered if Gillard is getting conflicted messages about how women in politics should be because we have such conflicted attitudes: [b]be strong but not too strong! Be warm but not weak, compassionate but still tough, friendly but still authoritative. Do what it takes to win—but don’t admit to ambition.[/b]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/25/australian-prime-minister-julia-gillard-set-to-win-another-round.html [i]What exactly is a spill?Lauren Dubois , Mamamia[/i] Anyone can nominate. But this spill has been called for one person only. Mr Kevin Rudd. Kevin 07. Kevin 747. Ex-Prime Minister of Australia. Ex-Foreign Minister of Australia. Ex-Happy Little Vegemite. He wants the job, and Julia Gillard is forcing him to finally fight for it. Put or shut up. http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/the-spill-explained-kevin-rudd-and-julia-gillard/ [i]Troops rally behind Rudd, ABC[/i] Kevin Rudd's supporters are continuing to speak out in defence of the former foreign minister, despite continuing attacks from Prime Minister Julia Gillard's camp. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-26/rudd-backers-warn-of-future-challenge-against-gillard/3853646?WT.svl=news0 [i]The Australian Labor Party’s Flying Circus, The Referral[/i] If you are going to take the axe to a leader, you make damned sure they are dead. You have to be prepared to wreck what you have helped build if you want to take the top job; and the wreckage must include the deposed leader. Instead of letting KRuddMP stay KRuddMP until he was so debilitated he resigned http://thereferral.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/the-australian-labor-partys-flying-circus/ [i]Union money source of ALP strife, Crispin Hull[/i] Remember, Rudd does not have a union background. That was fine when his government was going well, but at the slightest downturn the union heavies got him. http://www.crispinhull.com.au/ [i]Memory Serves, Wixxy, Café Whispers[/i] Instead we had Abbott, desperately trying to woo the independents and failing dismally. Then slagging them off when what Gillard told them made sense. Clearly the man couldn’t negotiate diddly squat…. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/memory-serves/ [i]Anthony Albanese displays grace under pressure, Clarencegirl, North Coast Voices[/i] [i]Transcript of Press Conference,Anthony Albanese [/i] Sydney Feb 25, 2012 ISSUES: Labor leadership http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/anthony-albanese-displays-grace-under.html Video [i]Peter Garrett part one Meet the Press [/i] http://ten.com.au/video-player.htm?movideo_m=165280&movideo_p=41949 [i]This week on Insiders, Barrie Cassidy, 26th Feb2012[/i] the panel discuss an unforgettable few days in federal politics ahead of Monday's Labor leadership ballot. http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3439641.htm i]Rudd expects campaign against him, Laurie Oakes[/i] Kevin Rudd says he expects to face a sustained campaign against him if he loses his battle against Prime Minister Julia Gillard for the Labor leadership. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8425863/rudd-expects-campaign-against-him [i]Rudd strategist calls for Gillard to quit , Bruce Hawker[/i] Labor strategist Bruce Hawker has said that in light of public support Kevin Rudd should be Prime Minister http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyso8I1d7kg Poll of polls, Andrew Catsaras, ABC Polling analyst Andrew Catsaras does the sums on the major opinion polls to see whether genuine trends are emerging. http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3439649.htm [i]A history of leadership spills, ABC Video[/i] Posted February 25, 2012 10:50:06 [i]Take a look back at Australia's previous leadership spills, with the current challenge to be the fourth in as many decades[/i]. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-25/a-history-of-leadership-spills/3852492 [i]ABC: [ACT] Hargreaves resigns as whip over ‘joke’[/i] ACT, John Hargeaves, state government http://australianpoliticstv.org/2012/02/24/abc-act-hargreaves-resigns-as-whip-over-joke/ [i]Lost in the Leadership Spill, Andrew Leigh, Barry O'Farrell, carbon tax, Liberals, Member of Parliament, New South Wales, unions[/i] With so much of the media’s attention on the ALP leadership drama that there were a lot of videos that were missed. We found ourselves a little overwhelmed. So to make up for it all we’ve produced this post. We’ve collated all the videos missed from yesterday in this post. http://australianpoliticstv.org/2012/02/24/lost-in-the-leadership-spill/

TalkTurkey

27/02/2012Centaur009 on Poll Bludger is right . . . Check it out! "centaur009 Posted Monday, February 27, 2012 at 1:10 am | Permalink http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ_s6V1Kv6A I absolutely love this…I know it’s from 2010 but we all need a laugh!!" The ALP must unequivocally seize the initiative today wrt the MSM, who are squirming to find a new angles of spin and denigration of *J*U*L*I*A*. Simon Crean and Bill Shorten and their ilk must cut loose on OOman and that bald thng on 7 I never watch, and [i]their [/i]ilk, OOman as I write is talking of an Opposition "who should [i][b]ROMP[/b][/i] it in in the next election." (verbatim, his emphasis too.) [i]Please dwell on this aspect Swordsfolks[/i], [b]the MSM and the ABC in particular must be reined in, [/b]they are running riot with Australians' opinions. I see this as being central to what this blog is about, [i]a mouse that roars[/i], and with the voice of an old Lion too. Ad astra's article is surely the single most rigorous and definitive piece of side-by-side information in writing ever to do what I hope that all the members of Caucus have done rigorously in their heads by 10AM. You will of course find nothing like it by the MSM. We are being dudded deliberately, and we must [b]*SHOUT*[/b] about it! BTW I don't think I saw one single comment here on *J*U*L*I*A*s her spectacular speech at that country Labor convention last Friday I think it was pretty slack, no comments anywhere, not on PB or MSM, like it never happened. It was the best speech I ever heard by her, not a sausage in response. I wrote of the awful ABC coverage (quality-wise) too. Ad mentioned her speech, not a comment on it though just queried where he could get a record, someone else obliged him, but was there one real comment on her speech itself, I don't think so! Or maybe I missed it. Much more interest in Nasking's tantrums! Watch the donut today folks.

2353

27/02/2012TT @ 9.41pm, [quote]I argue my case with all possible vigour and rigour but never viciously.[/quote] That's crap TT and you know it - in the last six months you along with one or two others have ensured that a number of "regular" commentators here have either stopped contributing or walked away for a while. While you may or may not agree with Nasking's views, at least s/he keeps to to the topic and doesn't get personal.

nasking

27/02/2012ALL, I remember hearing a man speak in America in the early 2000s…and straight away I knew that man could be the President of the United States… when I looked into his background I discovered there was a number of problems…and as time went on they increased…some said his Chicago connections, his Muslim connections…queries about where he was born…questions about whether he was too inexperienced all became prominent. On top of that, he was black. In a country that had a history of lynching & extreme racism & segregation by some. Some friends told me that supporting such a candidate during the war on terror would be insane… particularly as the candidate had the name Barack Hussein Obama… but my political instincts told me this fella was THE ONE. In 2005 I ignored what my head told me…and started promoting Obama on Huffington Post. The next three + years was an uphill battle…especially when the great, formidable Hillary Clinton took us on w/ the help of her mightily persuasive & legendary husband. And the likes of Fox News & Rush Limbaugh went after Obama like a frenzied lynch mob over his connections to a black pastor. But we got there in the end…with perserverance and vision and imagination. Many years before I had watched Bill Clinton come back from Hell…and win a 2nd term…w/ so many in the mainstream media giving him a hard time…attacking his reputation full bore…leaving him seemingly mortally wounded… but he had that SOMETHING SPECIAL. And he TRIANGULATED… And he won…a second Presidential term. Clinton, Obama…two wins that many said were impossible…candidates too damaged… [b]Kevin Rudd[/b] has that [b]something special[/b]. Are you willing to leave port w/out [b]yer biggest gun[/b]? [b]Latest Newspoll 53-34 Rudd VS Abbott as preferred PM.[/b] --------------- BTW, after the 2004 loss here in Australia Kim Beazley predicted we would be in the wilderness for another 6 years... on the Troppo Armadillo blog I wrote that we could win in 3 years if we united and used that loss to generate passion & determination. We won in 2007. Beat Howard comprehensively. In his own seat. N’

nasking

27/02/20122353, gracias. N'

lyn

27/02/2012[b]TODAY'S FRONT PAGES[/b] Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 27 February 2012

lyn

27/02/2012Good Morning Ad and Everybody Fabulous news for TPS, we have had 18 new commenters in the last 4 weeks . Thankyou very much to all our recent new commenters it is delightful to have you on TPS. Cheers:):):):):):):):):):):):):)

Ad astra reply

27/02/2012LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

TalkTurkey

27/02/2012Read carefully, then go figure, it is truth! [i]As I write, ma belle amie J****, who will be 70 next birthday, and her half-sister D***, who is 72, are both driving to Broken Hill for J****'s full sister K***'s 17th birthday party on Wednesday. [/i] Jason Obelix had trouble getting his head around that. When he did he laughed till he nearly barfed which would have been a waste of beer. It has been a recurrent joke for K*** ALL her life. (Hint.) Have yous worked it out?

Ad astra reply

27/02/2012Folks I don’t keep an account of these things, but last night, twenty-four hours after this piece was posted, there were already 110 comments. Now there are 131. This must be close to a record. The traffic is soaring. As Lyn points out, there have been 18 new commentors in the last four weeks. And welcome back, Bilko and Bill; thank you for your comments. Your comments continue to enrich [i]TPS[/i]. It stands out as a place for serious debate about important issues, based not just on opinion but also on facts and figures. All I ask is that our exchanges are always courteous and respectful of other peoples’ opinions.

debbiep

27/02/2012Hi all~ Another great Insight Ad. I may not respond as quickly as I read your piece - but I [i]'Like'[/i] them. ( double meaning :) Great set of Links for the Library Lyn. And today , may the best (Wo) Man win today.

Ad astra reply

27/02/2012debbiep Thank you for your kind comment. It looks certain that the (Wo)Man will win. I guess we’ll all be ‘off the air’ for an hour or so until the vote numbers are announced. I’ll be back later.

Ian

27/02/2012One of the most beneficial things that will come out of this whole affair is the resurgence of Julia Gillard. Forget about the tired cynicism of the jaded professional students. Forget about the superior sounding, yet jaded psephwhatevertheyarecalled ologists. Forget about the political purists who believe that all has a price , but can’t understand value. Pay them no heed Julia Gillard will lead Labor and will win the 2013 election. She will win because of one simple, irrevocable truth. Julia Gillard is stronger ethically, morally, personally and, importantly, mentally than Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull and any other they put up against her. The quiet voting public have seen, started to understand and realised the bullshit that has been going on is only hurting the nation. As corny as it sounds I believe that, before the next election, the public at large will see Julia Gillard as the guardian that states “Not on my watch”. You’ll do me Bloodnut. You’ll do me.

lyn

27/02/2012Hi Ad and Everybody Turnbull laughs off tilt at Coalition leadership Video, ABC Posted February 27, 2012 09:54:00 Opposition's Communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull says the Parliament should pass a no confidence motion in this Labor Government. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-27/turnbull-laughs-off-tilt-at-coalition-leadership/3854548 BreakfastNewsABC News Breakfast Malcolm Turnbull calling on Independents to support a no-confidence motion. #respill theburgermanJohn Bergin Malcolm Turnbull says parliament should debate a no-confidence motion against the government when parliament resumes at midday. 1 minute agoFavoriteRetweetReply

nasking

27/02/2012I've heard some idiotic comments from the likes of Cheryl Kernot (not surprising considering some of the past idiotic decisions she's made)... Richo (the more he opens his big gob the more I dislike him)... and Conroy (my brother-in-law told me at Sizzlers he reckons Conroy is a big fake and has slowed the rollout of the NBN to cater to Murdoch & other bigtime, influential media moguls)... I also have no more time for Nicola Roxon...nor Tony Burke...nor Wayne Swan... And watching Shorten & Arbib etc. walk down that corridor wearing sh*t-arsed grins really pissed me. PM Julia Gillard & her team are going to have to do one helluva job to get me back on side and blogging again. I feel very much like Dougie Cameron today. ---------------- BTW, not a good period for Abbott. He looks bloody weak. Turnbull must be feeling mighty good. I just hope Julia doesn't manage to help Abbott outa the hole again. N'

Jason

27/02/2012Nasking, Give it a rest!

debbiep

27/02/2012 Btw, Good to see The Political Sword back on the crikey Politics page :). Good work Ad. http://www.crikey.com.au/politics/

lyn

27/02/2012Hi DebbieP Good on You fabulous work, thanks for finding TPS on Crikey Thankyou, you lovely little "Good Scout" in more ways than one Cheers:):):)

Jason

27/02/2012Gillard 73, Rudd 29

Jason

27/02/2012Gillard 71, Rudd 31, The official result!

BSA Bob

27/02/2012Jason et al As good a result as could be expected. Now we wait for the media distortions to begin.

lyn

27/02/2012Hi Ad and Everybody BSA Bob don't worry about the Newspaper reporters we have the bloggers, look no further than Ad Astra, look at Grog, look at the others, aren't we lucky:- [i]Monday, February 27, 2012 ALP Leadership Vote: Gillard 71–Rudd 31, Greg Jericho, Grog's Gamut[/i] Sorry folks. It was media driven, not caucus driven. How long has it been going? Well April last year The Daily Telegraph ran a story on Rudd “conducting a street walk with the member for the marginal seat of Banks, Daryl Melham”, which had this subtle headline: http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ :):):):)

nasking

27/02/2012As I commented at the Cafe: I was weighing up that possibility w/ Smith…but the more I went thru the calculations the worse it got. The ALP has to stick w/ Gillard now…or realise they stuffed up stupidly and invite Rudd back in September or so. No third candidate. I reckon alot of people will be mightily pissed off today, as I am. I’ve got the same migraine I had the moment after Latham’s crazy handshake was reported…and when I realised Keating was gonna lose to Howard. Not good…I hope it’s not an omen. Anyway, Gillard is a tuff lady…almost as tuff as Thatcher…she has much more to learn…but she might get there. Hopefully the broadsides we’ve given her and her team will provide them w/ some pretty good ideas as to the kind of campaign Abbott, the Coalition & their media supporters etc. will try to damage them with. If anyone here thinks we were hard on Gillard…wait til the Old Guard Liberals including Sinodinos, Howard, Reith, Vanstone, Brough and many others join up w/ Pyne, Bishop, Joyce, Abbott, Turnbull and Alan Jones, the other shock jocks & the Murdoch & Ch. Nine types…and the Rhinehart…w/ the odd ABC sh*t stirrer…. you’ll see the FLAME THROWERS turned on Gillard bigtime. Making our battle seem like a road hockey game. I put as much out there as I could so the party can PREPARE. ———— I’m gonna take a well-earnt break again. More time to heal…and reflect. I gave it all I had…as did Ruddy & his team. Obviously wasn’t good enuff for the factional leaders. Gillard’s got breathing space now. I hope she takes good advantage of it. Try to keep some integrity people. Some of yer arguments were impressive. Keep it real. And try to win people over…not distance potential voters. Remember you need more voters from the Centre & Right…swing voters who want to distance themselves from the kook extremist Abbott & his odd One Nation/Tea Party-like frontbemcher & supporters. Don’t put them off by being too extremist Left. Time is running out… At least the Olympics this winter, UK summer, will give us a bit of a break…hopefully some Aussie wins to build up public confidence & spirit. Don’t let Abbott out work you on the CHURCH & on the ground…think more small business…and the people out there doin’ their family obligations… I wish you well. I’m off to catchup on the American election via Meet the Press, Fox News Sunday etc… Til later. N’

nasking

27/02/2012[quote]Give it a rest![/quote] I would recommend the same to you Jason. Seriously. Or tone down the attacks on people. Same goes for TT & Patricia. If you want the ALP to win. Be smarter about it. Cheers N'

nasking

27/02/2012Ad, you did well. Best of luck. N'

Michael

27/02/2012A great victory for Julia, and I sincerely believe, Australia. Rudd and Abbott are interchangeable sides of the same coin.

2353

27/02/2012Nas said [quote]Give it a rest! I would recommend the same to you Jason. Seriously. Or tone down the attacks on people. Same goes for TT & Patricia. If you want the ALP to win. Be smarter about it. Cheers [/quote] Couldn't agree more. Best post of the day. Playing the person is intellectually lazy and in the end counter-productive as all you do is p*^s them off. Nas, I hope you recovery continues - come back soon.

Catey

27/02/2012Not sure if any of you noticed Chris Uhlmann discussing the role of the media with Lyndal Curtis during their coverage of the Leadership Ballot this morning. He said he doesn't know how the media could handle their political reporting any differently. I have written to him at 7.20 Report with some constructive suggestions. I urge you all to do the same.

lyn

27/02/2012Hi Ad Some of the quetions I heard outside Parliament when the whip released the vote results: Media questions after the vote count:- How come it took so long x 3 who was sitting next to Kevin Rudd Was there a re-count x 4 Some comments for everyone from Channel 7 and Twitter:- [i][b]Gillard is now a real threat to Abbott[/b], Rob Burgess, Business Spectator[/i] As suggested earlier today, [b]this is the time in the long, sorry affair of the Rudd destabilisation and challenge, for the national media to move political theatre to the back-burner [/b]and start – please, please – to pick apart both Labor and the Coaliton's policy platforms and let voters decide which offers Australia the brightest future (How is Rudd still a hero? February 27). serious political debate emerges in this country in the next 17 months there's a good chance Abbott has a problem. Labor will try to attack what at present looks like an incoherent mix of policies, with no real underlying political philosophy – http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Gillard-wins-ballot-73-votes-to-29-report-pd20120227-RV29Q [i]Gillard smashes Rudd in leadership showdown, Channel 7[/i] Prime Minister Julia Gillard has comfortably seen off a leadership challenge from Kevin Rudd in today's federal Labor party ballot. The Prime Minister won with 71 votes to Kevin Rudd's 31. http://au.news.yahoo.com/full-coverage/leadership-showdown/a/-/article/13021055/gillard-smashes-rudd-in-leadership-showdown/?cmp=twitter PollyticsPossum Comitatus Compare Insiders trend http://yfrog.com/ocgo2vp to this one http://yfrog.com/h2qd1oxp Insiders use averages which distort detail 3AW6933AW #Melbourne AUDIO: Labor Minister and 'numbers man' @BillShortenMP speaks to 3AWNeilMitchell ahead of #respill vote http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/AUDIO/270212_Bill_Shorten.mp3 PinkelstienMirelle GOLD! Abbott 42, Turnbull 41 ... Gillard 73, Rudd 29 ... Who's more divided?” politicsprojectJames Higgins Not possible for KRuddMP to launch a second challenge on those numbers #spill #auspol theageThe Age Mark Latham tells Sky after today's vote, Kevin Rudd would not be able to make another tilt at the top job http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/live-labor-leadership-challenge--gillard-vs-rudd-20120227-1tx1w.html via @theage PaulBongiornoPaul Bongiorno This showdown started with the Tele claiming Rudd had 45 to 50 votes two weeks ago. Gillard had to flush Rudd out and she did LainieEiffLainie Eiff Congratulations to JuliaGillard for achieving the largest win in a leadership ballot ever! That's my PM! #respill 2FBSStephen C Now can we stop blaming Rudd and go back to blaming the media? Paul_MJPaul J 2FBS Let's all follow the polls and do whatever they tell us to do. They say ALP poll driven . Under Gillard they aren't davidlen2david [b]Hartcher has many questions to answer [/b]re his writings and observations over last 18 mths, for me he is a 2 faced evil bastard alanramsey2010Fake Alan Ramsey RT “TommyTudehope: Someone should go and console Peter Hartcher.” MsBrownMouseMs Brown-Mouse Prediction, the Australian Media will now try for the same thing only TAbbot v MTurnbull #auspol #sickofthemall

Ad astra reply

27/02/2012Folks Whichever way bloggers here wanted the vote to go, the result was decisive. Thank you Nasking for your heartfelt comments. I feel I did nothing to bring about this result; I simply placed the facts as I saw them on the table, and drew the only conclusion that I felt the facts warranted. That was my opinion, nothing more. I hope we will see you continue to contribute to the dialogue here as soon as you feel in better health. We enjoy seeing your big bear Gravatar. Now that the ballot is over, can we please moderate our comments so as not to offend any other blogger personally? Disagree with opinions, even the facts if you doubt their veracity, but let’s respect each other. Let’s make [i]TPS[/i] a paragon of decency, respect for others, and fair comment.

TalkTurkey

27/02/2012As I was saying . . [i]Much more interest in Nasking's tantrums! [/i] Nasking has been quite irrational about this imo. Dunno about anybody else's. Well yes I do. [i]All evidence to the contrary[/i],(that's where it bites) Nasking is near-apoplectically opposed to [i]nearly every other blogger [/i]on this, the best-informed blogsite on the matter, (thanks to Ad astra's comprehensive comparative expose) (and now Dear Oh Dear would-you-believe, Nasking has found out about our secret clandestine sinister relationship with Crassidy (! :) ) (and most of the Ministry, and everybody who doesn’t think Kevin can walk on water.) So here comes [i]El ingenioso Naskingo hidalgo don Quixote de la Mancha [/i] ... who has renamed himself "Don Naskingo de la Mancha," mounted on his skinny horse Rocinante, accompanied on a donkey by his faithful squire ChuChu Panza, who knows that don Naskingo is shall we say a little eccentric . . . not to say actually "nuts" :). . . on don Naskingo's Glorious Quest to Save the Honour of his beloved Kevinnea . . . [b][i]Behold! A mighty giant! [/i][/b] So here he comes charging on Rocinante (who can barely raise a trot) . . . at the great monolithic conspiratorial windmill of evil Rudd critics and satanic *J*U*L*I*A* forces (Including Aa TT NK :) and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all!) and [b][i]WHACK![/i][/b] [i]A windmill sail knocks him off his horse![/i] It turns out to be one of his best friends trying to knock some sense into him! ChuChu tries to tell him [i]it's all a hallucination[/i], but No, he gets right back up on Rocinante, and charges again, [b][i]WHACK![/i][/b] It’s another of his best friends trying to bring him to his senses, ChuChu is beside himself with worry, (but even two ChuChus are not enough to restrain him . . .) He remounts [i]again!. [/i]. . (Poor old Rocinante is close to collapse . . .) [i]Charge![/i] [i][b]WHACK![/b][/i] and so on . . . :) Dog I think I'm funny sometimes . . . But do listen to this! - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=man%20of%20la%20mancha%20youtube&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvS8rpt1y6lk&ei=9LZKT4qzNIWviQfGmIiIDg&usg=AFQjCNHtPC7lxywbzkgv_djm-LtxOBY9hg [It is THRILLING and INSPIRATIONAL! Do listen All, it will do your blood good.] [i]From wikipedia, (good wikipedia, thank you wikipedia) Cervantes and his manservant have been imprisoned by the Spanish Inquisition, and a manuscript by Cervantes is seized by his fellow inmates, who subject him to a mock trial in order to determine whether the manuscript should be returned. Cervantes' defense is in the form of a play, in which Cervantes takes the role of Alonso Quijana, an old gentleman who has lost his mind and now believes that he should go forth as a knight-errant. Quijana renames himself Don Quixote de La Mancha, and sets out to find adventures with his "squire", Sancho Panza. [edit] Cast • Peter O'Toole (Simon Gilbert, singing) as Don Quixote de la Mancha / Miguel de Cervantes / Alonso Quijana • Sophia Loren as Dulcinea / Aldonza [/i] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Right now I think TPS is the strongest and best since I have known it. Many people here are scholarly, nearly all are goodwilled, Leftish, passionate, and I’m proudly right there with that mob. The standard of what is written here, and the information available here, are attracting attention by bloggers everywhere, with Ad astra and Tweetie Lyn each rightly legendary for their special contributions to the Blogosphere. [i]Eighteen February Newies[/i] says Lyn, beaudie, we treasure you all. The Sword has a mission, Putting Politicians and Commentators to the Verbal Sword, and I think it has been scrupulously [b]*True to that Glorious Quest*[/b]. It was that thought that triggered my sort of parody of [i]Man of la Mancha[/i] above btw. Today is a great day for Labor. Catharsis is so cathartic! Can't wait for QT. And I owe Jason Obelix a beer, I had Rudd on 25 (a bit of push polling maybe), our menhir delivery man had him in 29 so he's closer. A splendid result for *J*U*L*I*A* and Labor, pass the pawpaw oinkment to poor little Vegemite I guess. Though I shall not easily forgive Rudd for his ratting. Definitely let me offer some to Nasking, Nas it's only really you threatening to quit, people who talk like that are a limp white rag to a red ragger like me (that doesn't mean I'm a Commie, I'm not, just in the loudmouth sense mostly), nobody really wants you to but if you keep saying it well don't be surprised if people tell you, [i]Well go on then EFFOFF! [/i]as Ian - (probably jokingly, but with a kernel of feeling I suspect) said, (well wtte). Hell mate don't get your knickers in a knot. The Labor Party is a democracy and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what the Mob thinks in this case, it is up to Caucus alone, anyway you'll just have to wear it Bro, that's the way it works and so it should. Rudd starting to speak. All support for *J*U*L*I*A* now, No qualification, no rancour says he. Me bin post now. QT coming up in an hour, yum.

TalkTurkey

27/02/2012This is another wonderful inspirational song from [i]Man of la Mancha[/i]. Let it be Blog Pawpaw Oinkment for you Nasking, you might identify with don Quixote's sense of isolation and his true if misguided nobility. And for You Ad astra, 'To reach the unreachable . . . [i][b]*stars!*[/b][/i] http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=true%20to%20this%20glorious%20quest%20youtube&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjCBDDPkzjZg&ei=NeJKT7CgBc_xmAXc8IWADg&usg=AFQjCNF-anu6wv2CZRrmyGwZiDSi5l_LGw We might never reach the stars, but we can jump for joy now without Rudds' ball and chain. It's GONE! Woo-Hoo!

GrannyAnny

27/02/2012Sadly the crap will continue I'm afraid. It's all about the NBN you see. At the moment the moguls decide what we see and when we see it on their TV shows and in their papers, and what we hear on their radio shows. Their mates the advertisers pay handsomely to use their media outlets and then pass these costs on to us, whether we consume their crap or not. It's all very cosy on the gravy train and they want the good times to roll on. They can't attack the NBN directly because it is very popular so they use every means at their disposal to discredit the Government and promote Abbott. As soon as they get Abbott slotted into the lodge he will destroy the NBN and then be cast aside like a dirty shirt because he is a lunatic and they know it. The NBN will allow more of us to choose our media. We could consume stuff from anywhere in the world when we want to. The moguls will no longer have an enormous influence on our lives nor their hands in our wallets. Get behind the Government irrespective of who is the leader. Bombard Members of Parliament with your views, become involved. We don't have much time left.

TalkTurkey

27/02/2012And WOO HOO again, we're off! *J*U*L*I*A* is lookin' so-o-o-o-o in control of the media. "so settle in" *J*U*L*I*A* . . . (K) ! More joy because it's a . . . http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=bran%20nue%20dae%20youtube%20trailer&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCsQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhqpZ7qRkMLY&ei=3OxKT6nqMo2SiAffyuCFDg&usg=AFQjCNEzhivUlW_z4JKGGwSoS99Mh3yECQ Abbortt about to be Abbortted now.

2353

27/02/20128 minutes after AA (who happens to own this place) says [quote]Now that the ballot is over, can we please moderate our comments so as not to offend any other blogger personally?[/quote], TT posts this [quote]Nasking has been quite irrational about this imo. Dunno about anybody else's. Well yes I do. All evidence to the contrary,(that's where it bites) Nasking is near-apoplectically opposed to nearly every other blogger on this, [/quote]. What part of offending personally don't you understand TT? Clean it up or to coin a phrase "give it a rest". There are always more than one side to a discussion - and the last person who claimed (with some justification) to be right all the time died on a cross a tad over two thousand years ago. You really are turning people off this blog.

Patricia WA

27/02/2012POST MORTEM COMMENTS FOR TPS POSTERS. NO TRIUMPHALISM! For 2353 particularly, I'm sorry that you haven't seen my immediate response to Casablanca's suggestion about my choice of metaphor in writing verse about Rudd , or couldn't see the humor in the final, softer version of my pome. You're the last person I would want to pick a fight with here, or anyone for that matter. Even Nasking we don't fight with, we debate and disagree. Expressing a point of view in opposing someone's political argument is not necessarily attacking them personally, or even viciously, providing the truth is told and the language used expresses that truth. Bad language, obscene expletives or insulting descriptors are never acceptable. Some in the media have talked about bloodletting and malice on both sides of this issue as if the argument has been out of control. I certainly haven't seen much evidence of that here. The media's narrative of the debate within Caucus and amongst ALP supporters has indeed been as colorful and hyped up as they could make it, but the language used by those putting the government's case has, in my opinion, simply been frank and forthright. For many in Caucus it was simply telling the truth, a reporting of events and behaviours as they saw and experienced them. Words like dysfunctional and chaotic are as descriptive and as objective as it is possible to be about a dysfunctional personality whose impact on government is to create chaos. Treachery is the only way to describe the leaking of confidential information to the media in order to undermine one's own team. Insulting and belittling are the only words to describe the way a then Prime Minister treated many people working with and for him. If I had seen reports of staff rushing to counter those oft repeated stories I would have doubted them and reflected those doubts in my writing. Sadly the only defence offered for K Rudd was that this was the price necessarily paid for having someone of his brilliance as our PM. Like many people I was impressed by his brilliance and initially I supported Kevin Rudd's leadership bid and was particularly impressed by his pursuit of Howard over AWB. I even thought those first criticisms of him as PM in the media were unbelievably petty and criticised in verse those attacking him, right up to his so-called assassination e.g http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/kevin-the-terrible-of-australia/ and several others written in June, 2010. People like Ian and Pip and Ad Astra and Jason and NormanK and DMW and many other stalwarts here as well as new visitors have all expressed strong feelings about their sense of disappointment, even betrayal, but not in malicious or unpleasant terms. Talk Turkey has a particular talent for painting word pictures and is a great enthusiast. We need people like him to stir us up and excite us. But NormanK and DMW and Lyn and Ad Astra will pull him up if he goes too far, as Casablanca did with me when I thoughtlessly, and incorrectly as it turned out, used the [i]Por Jud is Daid[/i] lyrics as a frame for a pome about Poor Rudd. So please 2353 I hope this helps explain my perspective on this very passionate exchange we've had here and helps us all to move into the excitement of the next bright new and optimistic phase of Julia Gillard'